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Caellach Marellus Nephtys Ventures inc 156	Posted - 2011.11.23 03:03:00 - [31] - Quote At a guess, RL friends play EVE? At a second guess, family post on his Facebook? Someone made a point above, if one of his immediates contacted CCP and forwarded details such as a death cert etc there may be a case toward it. However not that this bit will come up in selective quoting but OH WELL chances are if this was recent his immediates have bigger concerns and grievances than helping a few people he played with get their internet pixels back. Time and a place for these things, and in the big list of priorities, you won't be near the top.
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 71	Posted - 2011.11.23 03:04:00 - [32] - Quote Caellach Marellus wrote: At a guess, RL friends play EVE? At a second guess, family post on his Facebook? Someone made a point above, if one of his immediates contacted CCP and forwarded details such as a death cert etc there may be a case toward it. However not that this bit will come up in selective quoting but OH WELL chances are if this was recent his immediates have bigger concerns and grievances than helping a few people he played with get their internet pixels back. Time and a place for these things, and in the big list of priorities, you won't be near the top. fair enough.. altho i wouldnt post death certificate of relative to some gaming company ? Sounds like a really bad joke if you ask me . at my post28 sound like optimal approach, which will does not burden anyone, except CCP employee.
Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance 344	Posted - 2011.11.23 03:09:00 - [33] - Quote Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Caellach Marellus wrote: At a guess, RL friends play EVE? At a second guess, family post on his Facebook? Someone made a point above, if one of his immediates contacted CCP and forwarded details such as a death cert etc there may be a case toward it. However not that this bit will come up in selective quoting but OH WELL chances are if this was recent his immediates have bigger concerns and grievances than helping a few people he played with get their internet pixels back. Time and a place for these things, and in the big list of priorities, you won't be near the top. fair enough.. altho i wouldnt post death certificate of relative to some gaming company ? Sounds like a really bad joke if you ask me . at my post28 sound like optimal approach, which will does not burden anyone, except CCP employee. You don't need to. On most countries a death certificate gets an entry into the obituary section of one or more newspapers. I'm pretty sure you can find that info on-line on official and reliable sources. A CEO of any small and up businesses its bound to appear on one. Although you don't need to reveal your real name to CCP when you make an account. Rated ARG for Pirates. *** you.*
Caellach Marellus Nephtys Ventures inc 156	Posted - 2011.11.23 03:09:00 - [34] - Quote Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Caellach Marellus wrote: At a guess, RL friends play EVE? At a second guess, family post on his Facebook? Someone made a point above, if one of his immediates contacted CCP and forwarded details such as a death cert etc there may be a case toward it. However not that this bit will come up in selective quoting but OH WELL chances are if this was recent his immediates have bigger concerns and grievances than helping a few people he played with get their internet pixels back. Time and a place for these things, and in the big list of priorities, you won't be near the top. fair enough.. altho i wouldnt post death certificate of relative to some gaming company ? Sounds like a really bad joke if you ask me . at my post28 sound like optimal approach, which will does not burden anyone, except CCP employee. Problem with your post, person goes on a long ass self discovery sabbatical to "middle of f##king nowhere" like those people who spend half a year + up a mountain in Nepal for example. He's informed the corp of this, set up directors, relocated assets etc. In every situation there is the potential for it to backfire horribly. The only way to be 100% certain is through authentic documentation, however getting someone to waste time doing that (unless they also play the game themselves) is very unlikely. Also if he passed away, wouldn't his bank account close and thus his game account essentially stop dead?
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 71	Posted - 2011.11.23 03:12:00 - [35] - Quote Caellach Marellus wrote: Problem with your post, person goes on a long ass self discovery sabbatical to "middle of f##king nowhere" like those people who spend half a year + up a mountain in Nepal for example. He's informed the corp of this, set up directors, relocated assets etc. In every situation there is the potential for it to backfire horribly. The only way to be 100% certain is through authentic documentation, however getting someone to waste time doing that (unless they also play the game themselves) is very unlikely. Also if he passed away, wouldn't his bank account close and thus his game account essentially stop dead? Well there is an really small chance of that happening. Make a poll how many people playing EVE goes on such "journey" It is still there, but then well its simple CCP offer compensation to the injured party, lets say three PLEXes and life time ban for this shenanigan Yep CCP would be at loss there but chances are really really small.
Marlakh 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 11	Posted - 2011.11.23 03:14:00 - [36] - Quote I am sorry to hear of the OP's predicament. Of course, there's always the chance of it being a scam, but if not, my sincere condolences for his passing. This issue does remind me of an old concern and I'd like to share it. Having been the CEO of a sov holding corp, I'd like to think of myself as having been a responsible leader (or at least tried to be). That means that I must not let my corp mates down like how the OP described, even in the event of my RL passing. Issues such as personal/corp assets, transfer of leadership roles, etc should not be left dangling even after the CEO's passing. Fine, joke about "Eve is Real" and that its a game, all you want. But I do feel that where real players' investments in time and effort are concerned, my responsibilites to them are equally real as well. I've actually considered leaving my login details and final instructions in my Will, but alas, the EULA and present game mechanics prevent a sure way of administering this during my term. My suggestion, therefore, is to have CCP implement a Last Will and Testament mechanic, available as an option for every capsuleer. It can be in the form of a new tab, available under the Corporation button of the Neocom, allowing: Players to specify the activation of any or all of the following actions after a pre-set date or period of time, if there is no response to a pre-set number of reminders to suspend the actions Transfer of assets and isk to another specific player(s) Transfer of CEO/Alliance Executor roles to another specific player(s) Automatic broadcast of a certain message to the corp or alliance, or specific player(s) While I believe this will be useful for the intent mentioned, it can also be a source of tears when such actions are forgotten and automatically carried out when the main player forgets to de-activate it and when a subscription runs out, or when the player becomes inactive. In which case, the onus is purely on the player himself and there will be delicious tears for us to all enjoy when a player loses all of his/her stuff due to neglect. Any thoughts?
Caellach Marellus Nephtys Ventures inc 156	Posted - 2011.11.23 03:14:00 - [37] - Quote Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Caellach Marellus wrote: Problem with your post, person goes on a long ass self discovery sabbatical to "middle of f##king nowhere" like those people who spend half a year + up a mountain in Nepal for example. He's informed the corp of this, set up directors, relocated assets etc. In every situation there is the potential for it to backfire horribly. The only way to be 100% certain is through authentic documentation, however getting someone to waste time doing that (unless they also play the game themselves) is very unlikely. Also if he passed away, wouldn't his bank account close and thus his game account essentially stop dead? Well there is an really small chance of that happening. Make a poll how many people playing EVE goes on such "journey" It is still there, but then well its simple CCP offer compensation to the injured party, lets say three PLEXes and life time ban for this shenanigan Yep CCP would be at loss there but chances are really really small. It only needs to happen once for it to be a problem. Any policy change to this effect needs to be foolproof, not to mention the fact you then need to explain to a potential f##k ton of people that you aren't really dead.
Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance 344	Posted - 2011.11.23 03:15:00 - [38] - Quote Caellach Marellus wrote: Also if he passed away, wouldn't his bank account close and thus his game account essentially stop dead? You'd be surprised with how many fucks a bank gives to someone who died =) My father passed away 7 years ago with an unpaid debt, and the bank still sends letters to my house asking him to pay up, and offering deals and such. Mind you, the bank isn't asking me or anyone else for that matter, its asking him One time i even considered sending a note of "adress change" to the bank so that they would send the bills to the cemetery instead.. but i don't think the old man deserves to be bothered tbh Rated ARG for Pirates. *** you.*
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 71	Posted - 2011.11.23 03:18:00 - [39] - Quote Caellach Marellus wrote: Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Caellach Marellus wrote: Problem with your post, person goes on a long ass self discovery sabbatical to "middle of f##king nowhere" like those people who spend half a year + up a mountain in Nepal for example. He's informed the corp of this, set up directors, relocated assets etc. In every situation there is the potential for it to backfire horribly. The only way to be 100% certain is through authentic documentation, however getting someone to waste time doing that (unless they also play the game themselves) is very unlikely. Also if he passed away, wouldn't his bank account close and thus his game account essentially stop dead? Well there is an really small chance of that happening. Make a poll how many people playing EVE goes on such "journey" It is still there, but then well its simple CCP offer compensation to the injured party, lets say three PLEXes and life time ban for this shenanigan Yep CCP would be at loss there but chances are really really small. It only needs to happen once for it to be a problem. Any policy change to this effect needs to be foolproof, not to mention the fact you then need to explain to a potential f##k ton of people that you aren't really dead. As i said risk assessment, chance that the former scenario will happen is next to non-existent. And if you dont answer the email its "yours" damn fault. The compensation is not an acknowledgment of the fault on CCP side, more so like solidarity from the CCP. But i see the problem there.. .You are actually right. So simple answer from CCP to injured party : We dont give a ** you have been contacted, and therefore its your damn fault. Since giving stuff to injured party will open doors for scammers. o.O like that make sense, but people are **** so it could and probably would happen, considering the ussuall mind pattern of EVE players
Caellach Marellus Nephtys Ventures inc 156	Posted - 2011.11.23 03:25:00 - [40] - Quote Renan Ruivo wrote: Caellach Marellus wrote: Also if he passed away, wouldn't his bank account close and thus his game account essentially stop dead? You'd be surprised with how many fucks a bank gives to someone who died =) My father passed away 7 years ago with an unpaid debt, and the bank still sends letters to my house asking him to pay up, and offering deals and such. Mind you, the bank isn't asking me or anyone else for that matter, its asking him One time i even considered sending a note of "adress change" to the bank so that they would send the bills to the cemetery instead.. but i don't think the old man deserves to be bothered tbh Holy **** that's terrible. I take it you've RTS'd the mail with a note saying "Recipient is deceased, please stop tormenting his family" or some sort, do it in a way that impliments them with the notion that they're harassing and tormenting a family over their loss and they'll backtrack pretty fast. If they don't, take it to the media. Anyway, the whole "Reply to this email or we transfer stuff/assume you're dead" etc is having terrible reprocussions in that other gameGäó where GM's are losing ownership of Guilds because they don't log in for a month.

Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 71	Posted - 2011.11.23 03:27:00 - [41] - Quote I can see that, i am just naive about people decency. And i always fail.
Caellach Marellus Nephtys Ventures inc 156	Posted - 2011.11.23 03:33:00 - [42] - Quote Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: I can see that, i am just naive about people decency. And i always fail. Assume the worst, then when better things happen you can be pleasantly surprised.
Brock Nelson 56	Posted - 2011.11.23 03:36:00 - [43] - Quote Can I have his stuff Oh wait...
Amro One One. 34	Posted - 2011.11.23 03:48:00 - [44] - Quote Morons, that why you assign directors and shares so you can vote on **** like this, like unlocking BPOs Teaches you to not have a dictatorship. You all fail at corp management
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 71	Posted - 2011.11.23 03:49:00 - [45] - Quote Amro One wrote: Morons, that why you assign directors and shares so you can vote on **** like this, like unlocking BPOs Teaches you to not have a dictatorship. You all fail at corp management And you fail at reading comprehension. Happens, just dont know what is worse.
ThisIsntMyMain Republic University Minmatar Republic 57	Posted - 2011.11.23 04:17:00 - [46] - Quote Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Amro One wrote: Morons, that why you assign directors and shares so you can vote on **** like this, like unlocking BPOs Teaches you to not have a dictatorship. You all fail at corp management And you fail at reading comprehension. Happens, just dont know what is worse. No, he fails in trolling and fails to make what is a valid and correct point here .... CCP's policy is quite clear on this. The stuff under the personal control of your CEO is his stuff not the corps. Under no circumstances - even death - will CCP take stuff from a players personal hangar (other than EULA violations or RMT ing ) and give it to another player. When you created contracts the way you did, you gave your stuff to another player - which means it is now his stuff. To avoid these kind of circumstances, you need better corporation management policies. ie use corp contracts not personal contracts, have multiple directors, use votes to lock down BPO's etc. If a director stole all your stuff and went AFK, you would be sht out of luck. In this case, its very sad that someone died, but sorry, you're still sht out of luck here. And no, it would not be the first time that somebody was known to have died in real life and then suddenly came back very much alive again on Teamspeak one day.
NightCrawler 85 Phoibe Enterprises Black Watch. 32	Posted - 2011.11.23 07:25:00 - [47] - Quote First off i am sorry for the OP's loss,and i know this is not quite on topic but would be interesting to know. First some backstory. We have a corp member that have been with us for years and both me and my CEO consider him a close and personal friend (sadly he missed our wedding,so we have no yet met in real life ). He works as a firefighter and a couple of years back he had a nasty accident. Short version is that he fell trough 3 floors in a burning building and spendt months in rehab. He is now completely fine exept some scars and a limp. But after this he started to question what to do if he has another accident. Now considering who im talking about i cant say for sure if he is serius or not,but it honestly wouldent suprise me. More or less what he did is to tell his lawyer that in the even that he did die all his ingame assets (assets,not his char) would go to the corp. But according to the EULA it would in theory count as account sharing since the lawyer would have to log onto his character and give us all his assets,or he would have to go trough CCP and have them give them to us. I guess my question really is,saying that someone actually DID will all their assets in EVE,could it actually be done? Right now he is unable to play due to expecting his second kid but im sure he would find this interesting when he returns
Graic Gabtar The Lemon Party 8	Posted - 2011.11.23 07:39:00 - [48] - Quote OP. Just let it go mate.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 109	Posted - 2011.11.23 07:54:00 - [49] - Quote Just goes to show you that a bunch of spacepixels is valued on the same scale as a human life. To be honest, if I ever buy the farm offline, I'd want to be given a viking funeral in EVE. Put my frozen corpse inside a ship (fit with at least one loaded gun). Then shoot the ship to half hull so it sets on fire, and bump it toward the sun. Not sure how to ask a lawyer for this without getting security called on me, though.
Gerald Taric F-H Schwerindustrie und Sicherheit KRAUTZ-FEDERATION 14	Posted - 2011.11.23 08:50:00 - [50] - Quote Renan Ruivo wrote: Caellach Marellus wrote: Also if he passed away, wouldn't his bank account close and thus his game account essentially stop dead? You'd be surprised with how many fucks a bank gives to someone who died =) My father passed away 7 years ago with an unpaid debt, and the bank still sends letters to my house asking him to pay up, and offering deals and such. Mind you, the bank isn't asking me or anyone else for that matter, its asking him One time i even considered sending a note of "adress change" to the bank so that they would send the bills to the cemetery instead.. but i don't think the old man deserves to be bothered tbh I do not know, in which country you are living. As far as i know you might get a paper from government agency "certifying" that your father passed away. With this (depending on where you live) you also might get some official papers stating, that you are the inheritor. The bank then should be able to change the state of that bank account. AFAIK in my country (Germany) you have to decice within a few weeks, if you want to accept the possessions and (!) debts of the decedent, or if you refuse to take them (as a whole, you can't pick the + and left the - / it's "all or nothing" ).

L Salander Bite me inc. Narwhals Ate My Duck 10	Posted - 2011.11.23 09:40:00 - [51] - Quote If it was in his hangar and contracted to/by him personally then it is his stuff, not corps. Next time make the CEO do everything legit rather than pulling corp assets into his personal, private wallet and hangar. Sucks for you, but lesson learned, right?
J3ssica Alba Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2011.11.23 11:12:00 - [52] - Quote He should have had a clone waiting before he was podded irl, then you wouldnt be having these problems now would you?
Rek Seven Probe Patrol Project Wildfire 41	Posted - 2011.11.23 12:19:00 - [53] - Quote This is why you need to have your will up to date people. "to my beloved chribba, i leave my vast stock of veldspar"
chrisss0r No.Mercy Merciless. 3	Posted - 2011.11.23 12:31:00 - [54] - Quote Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Terminal Insanity wrote: Sorry but how does CCP know he actually died and you're not just scamming him on his vacation? Sucks but if i could just say 'hey my ceo died gimme his stuffs' there wouldnt be many corporations left in eve by contacting the account owner ? like via e-mail ??? Then finish it with following line If you dont answer this email in some time we would consider some action as appropriate .. f.e. ?? Either way its not like its impossible. Even if he is not, not responding to such email will actually cover the come-back rage. sorry but that is a terrible idea. In any legal system around the world there is no way to transfer ownership without a declaration of intent. With the same right you could just put a note on any parked car that say "if you don't show up and tell me not to take this car within 24 hours i'll just consider it mine". Sounds stupid? Well it is and same goes for your idea that's a good thing about our legal system: that your property is protected by law even if you are not sitting on it with a baseball bat 24/7
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 71	Posted - 2011.11.23 12:41:00 - [55] - Quote chrisss0r wrote: Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: Terminal Insanity wrote: Sorry but how does CCP know he actually died and you're not just scamming him on his vacation? Sucks but if i could just say 'hey my ceo died gimme his stuffs' there wouldnt be many corporations left in eve by contacting the account owner ? like via e-mail ??? Then finish it with following line If you dont answer this email in some time we would consider some action as appropriate .. f.e. ?? Either way its not like its impossible. Even if he is not, not responding to such email will actually cover the come-back rage. sorry but that is a terrible idea. In any legal system around the world there is no way to transfer ownership without a declaration of intent. With the same right you could just put a note on any parked car that say "if you don't show up and tell me not to take this car within 24 hours i'll just consider it mine". Sounds stupid? Well it is and same goes for your idea that's a good thing about our legal system: that your property is protected by law even if you are not sitting on it with a baseball bat 24/7 It sound stupid. Yet anything in game include your character, your assets, just about everything is not your property. Its "property" of CCP from very start to the end. Anyway post 46 is quite clear about "the issue". SO i would leave it at that.


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