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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2014.08.13 00:26:00 -
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Of all things, amirite? Just posted my first article to Pod Born. W007
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
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Posted - 2014.08.13 00:30:00 -
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I smell an early run at CSM10.
That aside, nice read. Hope you keep it up.
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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative
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Posted - 2014.08.13 00:35:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:I smell an early run at CSM10.
That aside, nice read. Hope you keep it up, but Rogue Asteroids sound worse than Rogue Drones.
We know all drones are a little bit rogue. Will that make all asteroids a little bit rogue too.
We're up to 10 now?
CSM would be cool, but I'm terrible at EVE. :(
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
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Posted - 2014.08.13 00:37:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:CSM would be cool, but I'm terrible at EVE. :(
You'll be a shoe-in then.
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Xuixien
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Posted - 2014.08.13 00:39:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Xuixien wrote:CSM would be cool, but I'm terrible at EVE. :( You'll be a shoe-in then.
Haha, fair enough.
Really I just wanted to keep my writing skills from atrophying into complete terribleness. Also throw some ideas out there for the community and the Devs to mull over.
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Don Purple
The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2014.08.13 01:21:00 -
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Loose that prot yet? :P
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Xuixien
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Posted - 2014.08.13 01:25:00 -
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Don Purple wrote:Loose that prot yet? :P
I did! It died gloriously when I didn't receive reps. 
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.08.13 01:29:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Don Purple wrote:Loose that prot yet? :P I did! It died gloriously when I didn't receive reps.
Zero fornications were given I presume?
Never hold your farts in. They travel up your spine and into the brain, where they ferment. They then migrate to your keyboard via your fingers. That's where shiptoasts come from.
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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative
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Posted - 2014.08.13 01:34:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Xuixien wrote:Don Purple wrote:Loose that prot yet? :P I did! It died gloriously when I didn't receive reps. Zero fornications were given I presume?
It was already replaced. 
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Don Purple
The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2014.08.13 01:38:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Xuixien wrote:Don Purple wrote:Loose that prot yet? :P I did! It died gloriously when I didn't receive reps. Zero fornications were given I presume? It was already replaced.
\o/
good read as well
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Bel Tika
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.13 02:08:00 -
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Was a great read m8 thnxz.
what would you say to a shake up of mining ships? turn them into hybrids? scaling from frigate size to battleship size role bonuses like the new SOE but for mining an exploration/combat? maybe choice of sacrificing drone bay for coupla turret slots or missiles.
No idea tbh, been thinking alot about it though to myself an i am in agreement with you that it needs looked at sooner hopefully rather than later |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative
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Posted - 2014.08.13 02:30:00 -
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Bel Tika wrote:Was a great read m8 thnxz.
what would you say to a shake up of mining ships? turn them into hybrids? scaling from frigate size to battleship size role bonuses like the new SOE but for mining an exploration/combat? maybe choice of sacrificing drone bay for coupla turret slots or missiles.
No idea tbh, been thinking alot about it though to myself an i am in agreement with you that it needs looked at sooner hopefully rather than later
I think the mining frigate and barge lines are in a good place right now. The Procurer/Skiff gets a huge tank and fields considerable DPS at the moment.
With the change to compression I do think the Rorqual needs some love, and it would be neat to have a "capital" level mining vessel, but I'm not sure if the game really needs that.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.13 02:48:00 -
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saving this for my morning read, cheers.
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Serene Repose
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Posted - 2014.08.13 04:07:00 -
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Is amirite a new ore?
I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Caviar Liberta
Moira.
Villore Accords
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Posted - 2014.08.13 04:10:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Bel Tika wrote:Was a great read m8 thnxz.
what would you say to a shake up of mining ships? turn them into hybrids? scaling from frigate size to battleship size role bonuses like the new SOE but for mining an exploration/combat? maybe choice of sacrificing drone bay for coupla turret slots or missiles.
No idea tbh, been thinking alot about it though to myself an i am in agreement with you that it needs looked at sooner hopefully rather than later I think the mining frigate and barge lines are in a good place right now. The Procurer/Skiff gets a huge tank and fields considerable DPS at the moment. With the change to compression I do think the Rorqual needs some love, and it would be neat to have a "capital" level mining vessel, but I'm not sure if the game really needs that.
I imagined a capital class mining ship being big enough to tractor an asteroid to the hold and being able to refine the ore on the ship. |
Torneach Structor
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.13 04:15:00 -
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As an industry-minded player, I think everything proposed in that post of yours is pretty spot-on. |
Oryan Jr
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.13 04:47:00 -
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While I am not sure about some of your suggestions I do like that someone has taken the initiative on the matter. I do believe a player's first idea of EVE is not mining all the time, and since all my skills are focused on that portion of the game I am limited to mining all out, in that sense I think I should be rewarded for taking the time to build New Eden not destroy it. My time in a roid field needs to be estimated appropriately, and I think in that aspect the current prices are spot on, but for me it's building a fellowship to the game and it's inhabitants I play with. Thank the players and the devs for an experience that makes my day. |
Glathull
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.13 05:14:00 -
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They should make ships that let you mine other ship's shield HP, then Armor HP, then hull HP until they go boom, and then have them randomly drop stuff that was on the ship and let you loot and salvage them.
That would be the most awesome way to mine, evar!
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Talar Ben
X-Ether
Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2014.08.13 05:56:00 -
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Good Read and I like it... +1 |
Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2014.08.13 06:19:00 -
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Premise Two: For the level of risk involved, HiSec mining is leagues more profitable than in LowSec or NullSec.
That's simply wrong.
Glathull wrote:They should make ships that let you mine other ship's shield HP, then Armor HP, then hull HP until they go boom, and then have them randomly drop stuff that was on the ship and let you loot and salvage them.
That would be the most awesome way to mine, evar!
You mean all non-Khanid amarr ships?
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2014.08.13 06:44:00 -
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There were a few good ideas in that article. Nothing really ground breaking but at least it was reasonably balanced for being written by an EVE player.
I liked the ideas for asteroid belt changes. It's irked me since day one that these stupid little semi-rings of rocks drifting around in the middle of nowhere are what pass for belts in an otherwise pretty authentic representation of space.
Mr Epeen 
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Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2014.08.13 06:51:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:pretty authentic representation of space.
Haha.
I don't get why people think there's anything wrong with mining. Do you mine? What are you basing your opinion on?
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
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Posted - 2014.08.13 06:55:00 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:I don't get why people think there's anything wrong with mining. Do you mine? What are you basing your opinion on?
I don't think epeen has a problem with mining or miners, just the model of asteroid belts currently used in the game.
I'd almost go as far as to say epeen loves miners, but that is my own assumption based on reading his posts.
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Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2014.08.13 07:00:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Ria Nieyli wrote:I don't get why people think there's anything wrong with mining. Do you mine? What are you basing your opinion on? I don't think epeen has a problem with mining or miners, just the model of asteroid belts currently used in the game. I'd almost go as far as to say epeen loves miners, but that is my own assumption based on reading his posts.
I took a titan bridge to the top belt in the system I was in, and the belt seemed fine...
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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative
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Posted - 2014.08.13 07:13:00 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:Premise Two: For the level of risk involved, HiSec mining is leagues more profitable than in LowSec or NullSec.
That's simply wrong.
I invite you to explain why my premise is wrong.
Mr Epeen wrote:It's irked me since day one that these stupid little semi-rings of rocks drifting around in the middle of nowhere are what pass for belts in an otherwise pretty authentic representation of space. Mr Epeen
Me too. I always wondered "why is everything in the asteroid belts useful? And why are the belts around planets and not the sun?"
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Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2014.08.13 07:16:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Ria Nieyli wrote:Premise Two: For the level of risk involved, HiSec mining is leagues more profitable than in LowSec or NullSec.
That's simply wrong. I invite you to explain why my premise is wrong. Mr Epeen wrote:It's irked me since day one that these stupid little semi-rings of rocks drifting around in the middle of nowhere are what pass for belts in an otherwise pretty authentic representation of space. Mr Epeen Me too. I always wondered "why is everything in the asteroid belts useful? And why are the belts around planets and not the sun?"
Because mining in nullsec is more lucrative than it is in highsec and the risk isn't that much higher. Ask a renter.
Do not remove a fly from your friend's forehead with a hatchet.
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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2014.08.13 07:24:00 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:Xuixien wrote:Ria Nieyli wrote:Premise Two: For the level of risk involved, HiSec mining is leagues more profitable than in LowSec or NullSec.
That's simply wrong. I invite you to explain why my premise is wrong. Mr Epeen wrote:It's irked me since day one that these stupid little semi-rings of rocks drifting around in the middle of nowhere are what pass for belts in an otherwise pretty authentic representation of space. Mr Epeen Me too. I always wondered "why is everything in the asteroid belts useful? And why are the belts around planets and not the sun?" Because mining in nullsec is more lucrative than it is in highsec and the risk isn't that much higher. Ask a renter.
That doesn't mean that the ratio isn't more favorable in HiSec (else why would most mining take place in HiSec?). For example you can AFK in HiSec all day, whereas in NullSec you can't.
At current prices you make about 1 mil more an hour mining Crokite than Scordite. You make 2 mil an hour less, and 3 mil an hour less, mining Arkonor and Bistot, respectively.
You actually make more ISK/hr mining the 3 LowSec ores than you do any NullSec ore. I'm not sure why that is. I think it's due to with the sizes of the ores being smaller than the NullSec ores.
So what you're saying is either HiSec needs to become even safer, or NullSec needs a shake up to make it less safe.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2014.08.13 07:27:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:
I'd almost go as far as to say epeen loves miners, but that is my own assumption based on reading his posts.
As much as most of of the miners I see are the most endearing little wide eyed nooblets, I wouldn't go as far as saying that I love them.
Though I do tend to support the profession as it is the bedrock on which EVE functions. Love them or hate them, without miners you'd not be losing 50 capital ships in epic battles. In fact you wouldn't be doing anything. Period.
So I'm always interested in seeing ideas to make the profession more interesting. Not uber. Not ungankable. Just designed with something besides needing Netflix trained to 5 before you can stomach it.
Mr Epeen
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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2014.08.13 07:29:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:So I'm always interested in seeing ideas to make the profession more interesting. Not uber. Not ungankable. Just designed with something besides needing Netflix trained to 5 before you can stomach it. Mr Epeen
I agree with that.
I'd like to see the act of mining itself changed to something that was a little more active on the part of the player, perhaps shorter cycle times and making all the ores larger. But that sort of thing is beyond my creativity.
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Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
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Posted - 2014.08.13 07:43:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:So I'm always interested in seeing ideas to make the profession more interesting. Not uber. Not ungankable. Just designed with something besides needing Netflix trained to 5 before you can stomach it. Mr Epeen I agree with that. I'd like to see the act of mining itself changed to something that was a little more active on the part of the player, perhaps shorter cycle times and making all the ores larger. But that sort of thing is beyond my creativity.
I like the idea of addressing mining and making it a more interesting and engaging activity, but I don't think just making it more active is enough. Then it's still mind-numbingly boring and you don't even get netflix either.
Nice article by the way, good to see some content on an often neglected issue. |
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