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afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 284	Posted - 2014.08.23 12:02:00 - [31] - Quote Valkin Mordirc wrote: EDIT: Also with that fit you gave for the Orthrus, can you mail me ingame the fit? I would love to use it. ^.^ It'll be a nonsense EFT warrior special. Fury missiles, everything heated, implants, 4 faction BCU. All to get to barely more spike DPS than a T2 gila with no heat can basically sustain. See, that's the thing, the gila numbers quoted here are real - you'll fight these fits. That is why they are so scary.
Xequecal GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 260	Posted - 2014.08.23 16:41:00 - [32] - Quote Valkin Mordirc wrote: A Gila is completely capable of hitting over 1000DPS with augmented drones and overheated rage. How is that not OP? I like using the Gila, is a monster. But I can say it needs nerf. - Rage missiles don't apply well to anything. - 16km range. - Kin/therm damage, worst damage types in the game. Any Caldari or Gallente T2 cruiser destroys you on this fact alone.
Odithia Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 62	Posted - 2014.08.23 17:37:00 - [33] - Quote Xequecal wrote: Valkin Mordirc wrote: A Gila is completely capable of hitting over 1000DPS with augmented drones and overheated rage. How is that not OP? I like using the Gila, is a monster. But I can say it needs nerf. - Rage missiles don't apply well to anything. - 16km range. - Kin/therm damage, worst damage types in the game. Any Caldari or Gallente T2 cruiser destroys you on this fact alone. Where do these Kin/Therm damage come from ?
Kyoko Onzo State War Academy Caldari State 1	Posted - 2014.08.23 18:56:00 - [34] - Quote Odithia wrote: Xequecal wrote: Valkin Mordirc wrote: A Gila is completely capable of hitting over 1000DPS with augmented drones and overheated rage. How is that not OP? I like using the Gila, is a monster. But I can say it needs nerf. - Rage missiles don't apply well to anything. - 16km range. - Kin/therm damage, worst damage types in the game. Any Caldari or Gallente T2 cruiser destroys you on this fact alone. Where do these Kin/Therm damage come from ? The gila's missile dmg bonus is only for kin/therm missiles.
Valkin Mordirc 116	Posted - 2014.08.23 20:18:00 - [35] - Quote Xequecal wrote: Valkin Mordirc wrote: A Gila is completely capable of hitting over 1000DPS with augmented drones and overheated rage. How is that not OP? I like using the Gila, is a monster. But I can say it needs nerf. - Rage missiles don't apply well to anything. - 16km range. - Kin/therm damage, worst damage types in the game. Any Caldari or Gallente T2 cruiser destroys you on this fact alone. 800 dps in drones alone, missiles are the top layer to a very hard punch. Plus you have 66k EHP in the drone bay. The ship is overpowered. Either the Drone bay needs to be downsized or the bonus needs to be nerfed slightly. Like I said before, a skilled pilot with the right ship can kill a Gila. But a Gila can kill far more with a mediocre pilot. Psychotic Monk for CSM9
Odithia Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 63	Posted - 2014.08.24 08:59:00 - [36] - Quote Kyoko Onzo wrote: Odithia wrote: Xequecal wrote: Valkin Mordirc wrote: A Gila is completely capable of hitting over 1000DPS with augmented drones and overheated rage. How is that not OP? I like using the Gila, is a monster. But I can say it needs nerf. - Rage missiles don't apply well to anything. - 16km range. - Kin/therm damage, worst damage types in the game. Any Caldari or Gallente T2 cruiser destroys you on this fact alone. Where do these Kin/Therm damage come from ? The gila's missile dmg bonus is only for kin/therm missiles. But most of its damage come from the drones.
Lloyd Roses Blue-Fire 690	Posted - 2014.08.24 10:43:00 - [37] - Quote baltec1 wrote: And to think people whined that they were not powerful enough. That's kinda because the Guristas rework came coupled to the drone rework. With old drone tracking, guristas would be pretty much ****, with the new version though they're godlike. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
E Vile Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1	Posted - 2014.08.24 11:53:00 - [38] - Quote Odithia wrote: Kyoko Onzo wrote: Odithia wrote: Xequecal wrote: Valkin Mordirc wrote: A Gila is completely capable of hitting over 1000DPS with augmented drones and overheated rage. How is that not OP? I like using the Gila, is a monster. But I can say it needs nerf. - Rage missiles don't apply well to anything. - 16km range. - Kin/therm damage, worst damage types in the game. Any Caldari or Gallente T2 cruiser destroys you on this fact alone. Where do these Kin/Therm damage come from ? The gila's missile dmg bonus is only for kin/therm missiles. But most of its damage come from the drones. No way do drones get near 1000dps. That number comes because of overheated assaults. The drones themselves are closer to 500-600ish. With 2 drone mods in the lows I get just over 500dps from drones and 200dps from fury. 700dps is far from overpowered. They only way it hits the 1000dps range is with overheated Assaults and fully fit for damage, meaning you will not have much of a tank and much of your dps has very short range. Gila is a decent ship, but it's fine balance wise. It's not hard to figure out how to take one down.
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 16	Posted - 2014.08.24 14:54:00 - [39] - Quote I wish I could say the same for the Rattlesnake. Sure, the DPS looks good on paper. That is about all it is really good for, making EFT warriors happy. Its strength was its versatility, now gutted via -225m3 reduction in drone bay space, loss of missile velocity bonus and loss of bonuses on light and medium drones, and a specialized damage bonus that only makes it semi-worthwhile vs less than half the NPCs in EVE.
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 16	Posted - 2014.08.24 15:01:00 - [40] - Quote E Vile wrote: Gila is a decent ship, but it's fine balance wise. It's not hard to figure out how to take one down. exactly, seems like too many people can only understand one thing, DPS, not how combat actually can play out. Hence the Rattlesnake nerf. DPS centric thinking at its worst.

Odithia Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 63	Posted - 2014.08.24 15:23:00 - [41] - Quote E Vile wrote: 700dps is far from overpowered. They only way it hits the 1000dps range is with overheated Assaults and fully fit for damage, 700 cold DPS is Apocalypse-like DPS. That being said, the Deimos and Vigilant hit for around 700 dps. But the Gila is not a blaster ship and does not suffer from the same damage projection issues.
Nick Starkey Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF 74	Posted - 2014.08.24 22:36:00 - [42] - Quote A gila can get around to 800 dps with rapid lights and t2 drones alone in a reasonable fit, no bling. Add augmented drones and you have a recipe for destruction with over 900 dps comming out of a cruiser hull that isnt hard to apply or project even to frigates past 30km. The ship does have a lot of things you can play around, though and doesent scale so well in larger gangs. It is solid but I dont think it needs nerfs. Perhaps a dronebay reduction in both the gila and worm are fine. The rattlesnake could honestly use a rework. Its like ccp has troubles understanding that mirroring thematic bonuses from frigates to battleships doesent work too well most of the time. ..
Ginger Barbarella 2003	Posted - 2014.08.25 00:55:00 - [43] - Quote Nova Alar wrote: They need a nerf. Something like a nerf to the amount of hit points their drones get, or the removal of their missile damage bonus. They are far too overpowered at the moment. If you don't like 'em don't use 'em. Problem solved, and you won't lose any more sleep worrying about them. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Valkin Mordirc 124	Posted - 2014.08.25 01:33:00 - [44] - Quote E Vile wrote: No way do drones get near 1000dps. That number comes because of overheated assaults. The drones themselves are closer to 500-600ish. With 2 drone mods in the lows I get just over 500dps from drones and 200dps from fury. 700dps is far from overpowered. They only way it hits the 1000dps range is with overheated Assaults and fully fit for damage, meaning you will not have much of a tank and much of your dps has very short range. Gila is a decent ship, but it's fine balance wise. It's not hard to figure out how to take one down. https://zkillboard.com/character/839032459/ Because you obviously have such large amount of solo Gila kills. If this isn't your main, then go find me a solo kill on a gila, that wasn't shitfit. (hint I looked, they are hard to find.) Also a fully fit Gila for damage? It's a shield tank, it doesn't lose tank for damage. And a MWD Gila, with Assaults overheating rage, shoving out 1030dps, still will get a 60k buffer tank, plus a web and point. Psychotic Monk for CSM9 Scipio Artelius: I find your continued optimism for the outcome of the CSM vote endearing
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 287	Posted - 2014.08.25 09:02:00 - [45] - Quote Full T2, no faction will kick out over 850DPS with cold fury light missiles and T2 hammers. Fit includes prop mod, point and 82k EHP. Augmented hammers make that 921 DPS. Add heat and it is 960. Now, granted RLML have a reload time, but these numbers are still pretty eye watering.
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon 1308	Posted - 2014.08.25 10:21:00 - [46] - Quote Nova Alar wrote: They need a nerf. Something like a nerf to the amount of hit points their drones get, or the removal of their missile damage bonus. They are far too overpowered at the moment. Again...an idiot posting about pirate ships being too strong. They are supposed to be the strongest ships. They are the most expensive ships as well. You get what you pay for but you also loose a lot of money if you screw up. close the thread TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
Voxinian 36	Posted - 2014.08.25 21:34:00 - [47] - Quote Christopher Mabata wrote: Valkin Mordirc wrote: A Gila is completely capable of hitting over 1000DPS with augmented drones and overheated rage. How is that not OP? I like using the Gila, is a monster. But I can say it needs nerf. An orthrus with RLM's and integrated hobgoblins gets 983 DPS with a 5% bonus to light missile damage, goes 4km/s and can get a 1.4k DPS Asb tank. Not to mention pointing at 70+kms or the possibility of a 30km scram. The pirate ships all stand out as viable options for PVP, the gila just climbed the ladder faster than other ships. People need to step back and look at all of them. I mean the cynabal can get 22km/s with a certain ( non Combat ) fit. they all have something they do well you just have to look for it. The Orthrus is by far my fav cruiser for the moment ...if you use it for what it is designed for (quick engagements) it's a pretty nasty boat. For PVE ratting it's a great boat too. I never use the Tengu anymore.. nuff said :)
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon 1312	Posted - 2014.08.26 12:46:00 - [48] - Quote Voxinian wrote: Christopher Mabata wrote: Valkin Mordirc wrote: A Gila is completely capable of hitting over 1000DPS with augmented drones and overheated rage. How is that not OP? I like using the Gila, is a monster. But I can say it needs nerf. An orthrus with RLM's and integrated hobgoblins gets 983 DPS with a 5% bonus to light missile damage, goes 4km/s and can get a 1.4k DPS Asb tank. Not to mention pointing at 70+kms or the possibility of a 30km scram. The pirate ships all stand out as viable options for PVP, the gila just climbed the ladder faster than other ships. People need to step back and look at all of them. I mean the cynabal can get 22km/s with a certain ( non Combat ) fit. they all have something they do well you just have to look for it. The Orthrus is by far my fav cruiser for the moment ...if you use it for what it is designed for (quick engagements) it's a pretty nasty boat. For PVE ratting it's a great boat too. I never use the Tengu anymore.. nuff said :) See....there you have your counter - Gila ship.... TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
Valkin Mordirc 127	Posted - 2014.08.27 11:48:00 - [49] - Quote Eugene Kerner wrote: Voxinian wrote: Christopher Mabata wrote: Valkin Mordirc wrote: A Gila is completely capable of hitting over 1000DPS with augmented drones and overheated rage. How is that not OP? I like using the Gila, is a monster. But I can say it needs nerf. An orthrus with RLM's and integrated hobgoblins gets 983 DPS with a 5% bonus to light missile damage, goes 4km/s and can get a 1.4k DPS Asb tank. Not to mention pointing at 70+kms or the possibility of a 30km scram. The pirate ships all stand out as viable options for PVP, the gila just climbed the ladder faster than other ships. People need to step back and look at all of them. I mean the cynabal can get 22km/s with a certain ( non Combat ) fit. they all have something they do well you just have to look for it. The Orthrus is by far my fav cruiser for the moment ...if you use it for what it is designed for (quick engagements) it's a pretty nasty boat. For PVE ratting it's a great boat too. I never use the Tengu anymore.. nuff said :) See....there you have your counter - Gila ship.... A ship that has only one counter is not a balanced ship. Orthrus can kill a Gila, A GOOD pilot with a Orthrus can kill a Gila, but a lot of stuff can kill a Orthrus, Basically anything that can catch it with webs, or a scam Loki, Huginn, proteus, and so forth. Psychotic Monk for CSM9 Scipio Artelius: I find your continued optimism for the outcome of the CSM vote endearing
Xequecal GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 262	Posted - 2014.08.27 13:08:00 - [50] - Quote Valkin Mordirc wrote: https://zkillboard.com/character/839032459/ Because you obviously have such large amount of solo Gila kills. If this isn't your main, then go find me a solo kill on a gila, that wasn't shitfit. (hint I looked, they are hard to find.) Also a fully fit Gila for damage? It's a shield tank, it doesn't lose tank for damage. And a MWD Gila, with Assaults overheating rage, shoving out 1030dps, still will get a 60k buffer tank, plus a web and point. Fitting a web counts as losing tank for damage. Quote: A ship that has only one counter is not a balanced ship. Orthrus can kill a Gila, A GOOD pilot with a Orthrus can kill a Gila, but a lot of stuff can kill a Orthrus, Basically anything that can catch it with webs, or a scam Loki, Huginn, proteus, and so forth. None of these ships can kill an Orthrus. Loki/Huginn can hold it down for someone else to kill, but we're talking about 1v1 here.

Valkin Mordirc 138	Posted - 2014.08.27 14:16:00 - [51] - Quote Xequecal wrote: Valkin Mordirc wrote: https://zkillboard.com/character/839032459/ Because you obviously have such large amount of solo Gila kills. If this isn't your main, then go find me a solo kill on a gila, that wasn't shitfit. (hint I looked, they are hard to find.) Also a fully fit Gila for damage? It's a shield tank, it doesn't lose tank for damage. And a MWD Gila, with Assaults overheating rage, shoving out 1030dps, still will get a 60k buffer tank, plus a web and point. Fitting a web counts as losing tank for damage. Quote: A ship that has only one counter is not a balanced ship. Orthrus can kill a Gila, A GOOD pilot with a Orthrus can kill a Gila, but a lot of stuff can kill a Orthrus, Basically anything that can catch it with webs, or a scam Loki, Huginn, proteus, and so forth. None of these ships can kill an Orthrus. Loki/Huginn can hold it down for someone else to kill, but we're talking about 1v1 here. I've never encounter a fight 1v1 fight between an Orthrus and a Loki before, but the Duel web range of a loki and an arty set seems less than ideal, however like I said, I never had the fight so I can't really say...it just seems like a bad fight because of the superior tank of the loki, and similar dps. Huginn, I can see it being better for the Orthrus, but I can still see the Orthrus having a hard time. As for web comment, yeah, but I just factor the web in anyways, XP You can still get that 60k buffer with web. I would personally count a web as a control mod, but that would be debatable. Psychotic Monk for CSM9 Scipio Artelius: I find your continued optimism for the outcome of the CSM vote endearing
Shpenat Galactic Exploration and Mining Corporation The Obsidian Front 71	Posted - 2014.08.27 20:24:00 - [52] - Quote I personally have most experience in cruiser size ships so let me do some comparison there. Gila vs Cynabal - cynabal can actually kite faster than medium drones. But keeping point at the same time is going to be hard and gila can recall the drones when shot at. I would call it a draw Gila vs Orthrus - The point range on Orthus is much longer so he can actually kite nearly outside of gilas drone control range. So it can shoot drones and it takes a long time for gila to scoop them back so they don't apply damage. Orthrus wins Gila vs Phantasm Here it is pretty hard. Phantasm cant reasonably kill gila in 1 vs 1. Yet gila is unlikely to be able to hold down phantasm and prevent it from running. So the fight is actually unlikely to happen and would end in a draw Gila vs Ashimmu The Gila has clear advantage here as it does not need cap for its weapons. So this fight would be hands down win for Gila Gila vs Stratios This could be really interresting fight. and frankly I am not sure which one would win. It could go both ways depending on which resist holes are plugged and how well vs which drones are enemy using. But I would probably give the win to Gila Gila vs Vigilant Given the 90% web and good blaster tracking the vigilant can easily kill those super drones of Gila. Then the gila would do only small amount of damage against the vigilant's stronger resist. I would say Vigilant wins So let me have a look at results. Gila 2x wins, 2x loses and 2x ends in the draw. I would say it is pretty balanced.
Nico Laitanen Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2014.08.27 21:38:00 - [53] - Quote Unezka Turigahl wrote: Elly Alfarius wrote: Why navy faction << pirate faction? Because ~reasons~? Evil will always triumph, because Good is dumb. +1 for Spaceballs! =)
Celise Katelo State War Academy Caldari State 8	Posted - 2014.08.28 13:36:00 - [54] - Quote My Gila doesn't want a Nerf, she prefers to do what she is designed to do Also the idea to reduce drone bay size, no thanks. How would you like to have no cargo bay to hold your different types of Ammo, well drones are the Gila's Ammo.
Kyoko Onzo State War Academy Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.08.28 14:08:00 - [55] - Quote Eugene Kerner wrote: Nova Alar wrote: They need a nerf. Something like a nerf to the amount of hit points their drones get, or the removal of their missile damage bonus. They are far too overpowered at the moment. Again...an idiot posting about pirate ships being too strong. They are supposed to be the strongest ships. They are the most expensive ships as well. You get what you pay for but you also loose a lot of money if you screw up. close the thread Are they the strongest ships though? A Vaga more than holds it's own against a Cynabal and they're basically variants of one another. I've no experience with em but what about an Ishtar going at a Gila (drone boats). I'm all for pirate ships being really boss, I do believe the T2 (or certain T3 setups) ships should trump them though.
Xequecal GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 263	Posted - 2014.08.28 17:42:00 - [56] - Quote Shpenat wrote: Gila vs Stratios This could be really interresting fight. and frankly I am not sure which one would win. It could go both ways depending on which resist holes are plugged and how well vs which drones are enemy using. But I would probably give the win to Gila I don't think anything can realistically kill a Stratios that uncloaks 2km away and applies two webs. That basically removes the drawback of fitting oversized plates and RAH is > drone boats.
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon 1325	Posted - 2014.08.29 10:50:00 - [57] - Quote Xequecal wrote: Shpenat wrote: Gila vs Stratios This could be really interresting fight. and frankly I am not sure which one would win. It could go both ways depending on which resist holes are plugged and how well vs which drones are enemy using. But I would probably give the win to Gila I don't think anything can realistically kill a Stratios that uncloaks 2km away and applies two webs. That basically removes the drawback of fitting oversized plates and RAH is > drone boats. and a target pointer.... TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP


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