This just in. Pirate ships are powerful and worth the ISK and training time needed to make full use of them. News at 11.

OP is OP, price is not a good reason to make an overpowered ship. See: Old school Titans.

Agreed with the first poster, if i pay 200m+ for a frigate i want something worth what i just spent.
Same goes for a faction battleship or cruiser, theyre designed to be better for a reason

If you can't beat em' join em'

Why navy faction << pirate faction? Because ~reasons~?

Why navy faction << pirate faction? Because ~reasons~?

OP is OP, price is not a good reason to make an overpowered ship. See: Old school Titans.

Cost is calculated by player. Mineral costs aren't all that different for pirate and T1 (in fact it's more expensive to make t2 crusiers i believe).

If something is OP, it's cost is irrelevant.

This just in. Pirate ships are powerful and worth the ISK and training time needed to make full use of them. News at 11.

Because organized navies from vast, stable, economic powerhouses with all of the education systems, scientists, and resources in the world to research and test and develop weapon systems and ships, can't hold a candle to a motley crew of social rejects who are hiding out in a hole they carved out of an asteroid.

Jesus, stop whining already. When the Guristas ships were changed everybody were whining how underpowered they now were, now people are whining the opposite.

Besides, what did you lose?

This just in. Pirate ships are powerful and worth the ISK and training time needed to make full use of them. News at 11.

No one is comparing them to other frigates (because that is stupid). Compared to all of the other pirate ships the Gurista ships still vastly outperform imo.

No one is comparing them to other frigates (because that is stupid). Compared to all of the other pirate ships the Gurista ships still vastly outperform imo.

A Gila is completely capable of hitting over 1000DPS with augmented drones and overheated rage. How is that not OP? I like using the Gila, is a monster. But I can say it needs nerf.

An orthrus with RLM's and integrated hobgoblins gets 983 DPS with a 5% bonus to light missile damage, goes 4km/s and can get a 1.4k DPS Asb tank. Not to mention pointing at 70+kms or the possibility of a 30km scram.

EDIT: Also with that fit you gave for the Orthrus, can you mail me ingame the fit? I would love to use it. ^.^

A Gila is completely capable of hitting over 1000DPS with augmented drones and overheated rage. How is that not OP? I like using the Gila, is a monster. But I can say it needs nerf.

- Rage missiles don't apply well to anything.
- 16km range.
- Kin/therm damage, worst damage types in the game. Any Caldari or Gallente T2 cruiser destroys you on this fact alone.

Where do these Kin/Therm damage come from ?

- Rage missiles don't apply well to anything.
- 16km range.
- Kin/therm damage, worst damage types in the game. Any Caldari or Gallente T2 cruiser destroys you on this fact alone.

The gila's missile dmg bonus is only for kin/therm missiles.

And to think people whined that they were not powerful enough.

But most of its damage come from the drones.

Gila is a decent ship, but it's fine balance wise. It's not hard to figure out how to take one down.

700dps is far from overpowered. They only way it hits the 1000dps range is with overheated Assaults and fully fit for damage,

They need a nerf. Something like a nerf to the amount of hit points their drones get, or the removal of their missile damage bonus. They are far too overpowered at the moment.

No way do drones get near 1000dps. That number comes because of overheated assaults. The drones themselves are closer to 500-600ish.
With 2 drone mods in the lows I get just over 500dps from drones and 200dps from fury.
700dps is far from overpowered. They only way it hits the 1000dps range is with overheated Assaults and fully fit for damage, meaning you will not have much of a tank and much of your dps has very short range.

Gila is a decent ship, but it's fine balance wise. It's not hard to figure out how to take one down.

They need a nerf. Something like a nerf to the amount of hit points their drones get, or the removal of their missile damage bonus. They are far too overpowered at the moment.

An orthrus with RLM's and integrated hobgoblins gets 983 DPS with a 5% bonus to light missile damage, goes 4km/s and can get a 1.4k DPS Asb tank. Not to mention pointing at 70+kms or the possibility of a 30km scram.

The pirate ships all stand out as viable options for PVP, the gila just climbed the ladder faster than other ships. People need to step back and look at all of them. I mean the cynabal can get 22km/s with a certain ( non Combat ) fit. they all have something they do well you just have to look for it.

The Orthrus is by far my fav cruiser for the moment ...if you use it for what it is designed for (quick engagements) it's a pretty nasty boat. For PVE ratting it's a great boat too. I never use the Tengu anymore.. nuff said :)

See....there you have your counter - Gila ship....

https://zkillboard.com/character/839032459/


Because you obviously have such large amount of solo Gila kills. If this isn't your main, then go find me a solo kill on a gila, that wasn't shitfit. (hint I looked, they are hard to find.)

Also a fully fit Gila for damage? It's a shield tank, it doesn't lose tank for damage. And a MWD Gila, with Assaults overheating rage, shoving out 1030dps, still will get a 60k buffer tank, plus a web and point.

A ship that has only one counter is not a balanced ship. Orthrus can kill a Gila, A GOOD pilot with a Orthrus can kill a Gila, but a lot of stuff can kill a Orthrus, Basically anything that can catch it with webs, or a scam Loki, Huginn, proteus, and so forth.

Fitting a web counts as losing tank for damage.



None of these ships can kill an Orthrus. Loki/Huginn can hold it down for someone else to kill, but we're talking about 1v1 here.

Evil will always triumph, because Good is dumb.

Again...an idiot posting about pirate ships being too strong.

They are supposed to be the strongest ships. They are the most expensive ships as well. You get what you pay for but you also loose a lot of money if you screw up.
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Gila vs Stratios This could be really interresting fight. and frankly I am not sure which one would win. It could go both ways depending on which resist holes are plugged and how well vs which drones are enemy using. But I would probably give the win to Gila

I don't think anything can realistically kill a Stratios that uncloaks 2km away and applies two webs. That basically removes the drawback of fitting oversized plates and RAH is > drone boats.