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Nova Alar
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.13 21:41:00 -
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They need a nerf. Something like a nerf to the amount of hit points their drones get, or the removal of their missile damage bonus. They are far too overpowered at the moment. |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
594
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Posted - 2014.08.13 22:39:00 -
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This just in. Pirate ships are powerful and worth the ISK and training time needed to make full use of them. News at 11. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3543
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Posted - 2014.08.13 22:42:00 -
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Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:This just in. Pirate ships are powerful and worth the ISK and training time needed to make full use of them. News at 11. Exactly.
Oh god. |
Christopher Mabata
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
104
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Posted - 2014.08.13 23:34:00 -
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Agreed with the first poster, if i pay 200m+ for a frigate i want something worth what i just spent. Same goes for a faction battleship or cruiser, theyre designed to be better for a reason
If you can't beat em' join em' Is it bad if your friend says "that was a Metaphor" and you say "Meta 4? Get Tech II or faction" ?I love the sound of silent explosions in Space.-á |
Marcuis
Veritas Theory Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2014.08.14 00:19:00 -
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I agree with the others, pay the isk for a ship then has to be worth what you pay on that note, they dont need to change them for once Gurista ships are now usefull [IMG]http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll34/Zuminor/marcsigcopy-13.gif[/IMG] |
Dato Koppla
Elite Guards
662
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Posted - 2014.08.14 01:39:00 -
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OP is OP, price is not a good reason to make an overpowered ship. See: Old school Titans. |
Christopher Mabata
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2014.08.14 01:47:00 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:OP is OP, price is not a good reason to make an overpowered ship. See: Old school Titans.
Comparing the worm, rattler, and Gila to the old day titans is like going from "across the pond" kind of a stretch to "jumped 8 and a half buses on a rocket propelled peddal bike blindfolded" kind of stretch.
The old school titans were WAY too OP but it was also because nothing of the sort had been conceived before in EvE, they were the first attempt at creating true "Flagships" for fleets, and have since been reduced. Where as these ships do have other stepping stools to go off of. In truth sure you get far more DPS out of these ships than MOST other ships but there are still ships than can outperform them and they still die like anything else.
in fact their biggest weakness is their drones, which once dead eliminate 70% of their Damage Application. A worm without drones is just an expensive painted hawk. A Gila without drones is a really bad Moa. And a rattler may as well just be a tanky scorpion with no jams.
Is it bad if your friend says "that was a Metaphor" and you say "Meta 4? Get Tech II or faction" ?I love the sound of silent explosions in Space.-á |
Elly Alfarius
GALAXY ACADEMY GALAXY ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2014.08.14 11:35:00 -
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Christopher Mabata wrote:Agreed with the first poster, if i pay 200m+ for a frigate i want something worth what i just spent. Same goes for a faction battleship or cruiser, theyre designed to be better for a reason
If you can't beat em' join em'
Why navy faction << pirate faction? Because ~reasons~? |
Maeltstome
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
572
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Posted - 2014.08.14 13:58:00 -
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Cost is calculated by player. Mineral costs aren't all that different for pirate and T1 (in fact it's more expensive to make t2 crusiers i believe).
If something is OP, it's cost is irrelevant. |
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
267
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Posted - 2014.08.14 14:37:00 -
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Elly Alfarius wrote: Why navy faction << pirate faction? Because ~reasons~?
Evil will always triumph, because Good is dumb. |
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Khan Wrenth
Hedion University Amarr Empire
36
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Posted - 2014.08.14 14:43:00 -
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Elly Alfarius wrote:Why navy faction << pirate faction? Because ~reasons~?
Because organized navies from vast, stable, economic powerhouses with all of the education systems, scientists, and resources in the world to research and test and develop weapon systems and ships, can't hold a candle to a motley crew of social rejects who are hiding out in a hole they carved out of an asteroid.
I guess....reasons?
Pirate vessels are nicely powerful vessels a tier above their siblings. Just forget where they come from and put them to good use. |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
604
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Posted - 2014.08.14 15:27:00 -
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Because getting a pirate ship requires getting a BPC drop in low/null or running pirate missions in null while getting a navy ship requires running missions in hisec. This means that pirate ships need to be better than navy ships or nobody would bother going through the effort needed to get them.
game design/balance > realism |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3544
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Posted - 2014.08.14 17:42:00 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:OP is OP, price is not a good reason to make an overpowered ship. See: Old school Titans. Yeah, should have clarified.
Oh god. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1170
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Posted - 2014.08.14 20:13:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote:Cost is calculated by player. Mineral costs aren't all that different for pirate and T1 (in fact it's more expensive to make t2 crusiers i believe).
If something is OP, it's cost is irrelevant.
So quit comparing apples to Lamborghinis.
They aren't OP compared to the other Pirate ships. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12711
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Posted - 2014.08.15 11:23:00 -
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And to think people whined that they were not powerful enough. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
264
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Posted - 2014.08.15 11:46:00 -
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Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:This just in. Pirate ships are powerful and worth the ISK and training time needed to make full use of them. News at 11.
Whilst this is true, the worm (and to a lesser extent gila) are a bit....out there. Rattlesnake not so much due to inherent BS hassles but it's still a mean son of a ....
However, I'm hard pressed to think of something that is going to have a good time vs a worm (garmur excepted). Too much DPS/Tank/Range rolled into one ball.
That said, I have many worms so long live the worm |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
303
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Posted - 2014.08.15 12:48:00 -
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Khan Wrenth wrote:Elly Alfarius wrote:Why navy faction << pirate faction? Because ~reasons~? Because organized navies from vast, stable, economic powerhouses with all of the education systems, scientists, and resources in the world to research and test and develop weapon systems and ships, can't hold a candle to a motley crew of social rejects who are hiding out in a hole they carved out of an asteroid. Ignoring the balance aspects I feel I have to point out that many of the weapons, vehicles and so forth used by the great armies and navies of the world... Were originally designed by some eccentric in a shed... |
Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
45
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Posted - 2014.08.15 14:10:00 -
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Jesus, stop whining already. When the Guristas ships were changed everybody were whining how underpowered they now were, now people are whining the opposite.
Besides, what did you lose? |
Christopher Mabata
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
114
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Posted - 2014.08.15 19:02:00 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:Jesus, stop whining already. When the Guristas ships were changed everybody were whining how underpowered they now were, now people are whining the opposite.
Besides, what did you lose?
Its funny because the mining community cried about how hard it was to survive a gank so CCP buffed the procurer and skiff, now they cry about the fleets of skiffs drinking away all the ore and ice in relative safety or the bait skiffs that kill their combat ships. Its like a bad circle of life. Is it bad if your friend says "that was a Metaphor" and you say "Meta 4? Get Tech II or faction" ?I love the sound of silent explosions in Space.-á |
Nova Alar
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2014.08.15 20:03:00 -
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Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:This just in. Pirate ships are powerful and worth the ISK and training time needed to make full use of them. News at 11.
No one is comparing them to other frigates (because that is stupid). Compared to all of the other pirate ships the Gurista ships still vastly outperform imo. |
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James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
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Posted - 2014.08.15 21:57:00 -
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Nova Alar wrote:Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:This just in. Pirate ships are powerful and worth the ISK and training time needed to make full use of them. News at 11. No one is comparing them to other frigates (because that is stupid). Compared to all of the other pirate ships the Gurista ships still vastly outperform imo. Seen some cool fights between a Daredevil and a worm. Daredevil won most of em too.
That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did. |
Ravay Kanjus
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2014.08.15 22:19:00 -
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Nova Alar wrote:Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:This just in. Pirate ships are powerful and worth the ISK and training time needed to make full use of them. News at 11. No one is comparing them to other frigates (because that is stupid). Compared to all of the other pirate ships the Gurista ships still vastly outperform imo.
Have you seen how powerful the new Phantasm can be? Incredible speed with an AB, keeping it's sig radius down, and roughly 700 DPS (more or less) in EFT with pulse lasers. "Pulse lasers are short range" yeah, and it's a ship fast enough to close the distance rather effectively. I wager a Phantasm would melt a shield tanked Gila. Assuming the Gila didn't throw out 20 million isk per Augmented Hammerheads. If you loose to that, you can fit up a faction or deadspace module on your shields or AB for the Phantasm, or just accept that the guy's flying around with incredibly overpriced drones that he'll probably loose at some point, anyway. |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
268
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Posted - 2014.08.16 08:08:00 -
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Gila is also about 700DPS with humble valks. It also, however, has over 80k EHP - what does the phantasm have? |
Valkin Mordirc
109
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Posted - 2014.08.18 09:00:00 -
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A Gila is completely capable of hitting over 1000DPS with augmented drones and overheated rage. How is that not OP? I like using the Gila, is a monster. But I can say it needs nerf.
Psychotic Monk for CSM9 |
Rose of Shadow
BUMP POW
85
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Posted - 2014.08.18 13:20:00 -
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I was looking onto this area of the forum to see if the Pirate ships are worth the ISK (so I can save up for one at some point haha ) And my question has been answered.
And in response to OP and others: I think the Pirate ships are more powerful than faction ships because they don't stick to one racial system of ship/tank/weapon but combine the best aspects of different races.
Like the .. eehm.. forgot the name.. Anyway let's say the "Cruor". A Pirate Frig.
Uses Energy Weapons (=Drains cap faster) And is getting a big boost to the use of energy vamps.
In EFT I noticed that (on all skill V) it can run cap stable with everything activated including armor rep and prop mod (ab). So obviously I hope to fly one in a couple of months.
Besides that, they just look awesome.
Sorry I kindof went off topic there.
TL;DR Pirate ships are more powerful then other ships on the same tier. As it should be in my opinion due to the mixing of racial systems for optimal ships. |
Danny John-Peter
Snuff Box
469
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Posted - 2014.08.18 14:41:00 -
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I think the Gila is very strong, but its not OP.
Unlike the Ishtar it doesn't have the massive projection to push it beyond small gang and while it is certainly powerful its in a good place as a strong kiting boat.
The Worm however is a very strong balance of speed, DPS and tank and has to make very few comprimises to fit an MWD/MSE/Tackle/Double Damage Mod/DCU and LMLs, in a frigate environment that massive flexibility combined with huge DPS makes for a beast of a ship which is, yes, borderline OP.
Also newsflash for nerds, cost has never been and never shall be, a limiting factor. |
Christopher Mabata
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
123
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Posted - 2014.08.18 16:23:00 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:A Gila is completely capable of hitting over 1000DPS with augmented drones and overheated rage. How is that not OP? I like using the Gila, is a monster. But I can say it needs nerf.
An orthrus with RLM's and integrated hobgoblins gets 983 DPS with a 5% bonus to light missile damage, goes 4km/s and can get a 1.4k DPS Asb tank. Not to mention pointing at 70+kms or the possibility of a 30km scram.
The pirate ships all stand out as viable options for PVP, the gila just climbed the ladder faster than other ships. People need to step back and look at all of them. I mean the cynabal can get 22km/s with a certain ( non Combat ) fit. they all have something they do well you just have to look for it. Is it bad if your friend says "that was a Metaphor" and you say "Meta 4? Get Tech II or faction" ?I love the sound of silent explosions in Space.-á |
Valkin Mordirc
110
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Posted - 2014.08.23 05:57:00 -
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I totally agree, Pirate faction should be REALLY good at it's role. However the Gila/Worm may be a little too good at it.
I say that because.
The Orthrus is nice yeah. but RLML is burst dps, that 983 dps isn't sustained like the Gila can do, also, the Orthrus doesn't get a 66k EHP in the drone bay so your hobs are bye bye quickly if some want to target them, if you're using augmented drones someone might just blow them up because of how much they cost. Honestly the only thing that could kill the Gila is a Orthrus, but only a skilled pilot who knows how to manual pilot. If the pilot is unskilled he's just going to slingshot out of point range, and the gila will warp away.
A Gila can kill a lot of things, with mediocre skill from the pilot. That is why I believe the Gila is overpowered. That's my two cents anyways. =P
EDIT: Also with that fit you gave for the Orthrus, can you mail me ingame the fit? I would love to use it. ^.^ Psychotic Monk for CSM9 |
Odithia
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2014.08.23 08:16:00 -
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Christopher Mabata wrote: An orthrus with RLM's and integrated hobgoblins gets 983 DPS with a 5% bonus to light missile damage, goes 4km/s and can get a 1.4k DPS Asb tank. Not to mention pointing at 70+kms or the possibility of a 30km scram.
Surely that must be before reload, RLML do high burst damage but have a long reload time.
And yea, the only thing more broken than the Gurista ship must be the Mordus. |
Nick Starkey
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
73
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Posted - 2014.08.23 08:46:00 -
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The only nerf guristas ships need is a slight reduction to their drone bays. Right now it doesn't really matter if they have a limited number of drones when they can just re-send 5+ extra flights. .. |
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