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General Nusense
Not Posting With My Main
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Posted - 2014.08.14 04:40:00 -
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Yup, thats right. If any of you have put a Siphon on a tower belonging to CFC/PL/N3 or any other Sov holding alliance your Siphon was detected through the API end point. Something that CCP said " wouldnt be possible". Since all the major nullsec sov holding alliances knew about this and used it, they should all be fined all the moon goo they have mined since the siphon units were released in game.
They knew about this and contiuned to use it without notifying CCP. Which would be an Exploit.
Source. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
5845
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Posted - 2014.08.14 04:53:00 -
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It's not really an exploit, it's another case of CCP being wrong.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
8782
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Posted - 2014.08.14 04:55:00 -
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I wouldn't really say that's an exploit.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
482
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Posted - 2014.08.14 05:04:00 -
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Sorry you can't have free goo? |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers
Fidelas Constans
1182
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Posted - 2014.08.14 05:10:00 -
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Bad? maybe
Exploit? no. |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
694
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Posted - 2014.08.14 05:25:00 -
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CCP gg
CCP .. always first with the wrong stuff
CSM .. CCP Shills with a vacation plan
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
907
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Posted - 2014.08.14 05:31:00 -
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posting for lulz. also i want to see more rage in the morning. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
16458
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Posted - 2014.08.14 05:37:00 -
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Exploit.
Inigo Montoya wrote: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
11036
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Posted - 2014.08.14 05:43:00 -
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Yes, looking at your own API data is clearly an exploit.
No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
How M'I Alive
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2014.08.14 05:46:00 -
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If you know something is working in a manner that is not intended, which allows you to gain an advantage over others who are not aware of such, you are supposed to cease that activity immediately and report it to CCP.
We can talk semantics all day, but this has always been the case.
With that said, there is probably no way to actually prove the information was directly used to remove siphon units. Don't expect any repercussions. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
11036
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Posted - 2014.08.14 05:48:00 -
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How M'I Alive wrote:If you know something is working in a manner that is not intended, which allows you to gain an advantage over others who are not aware of such, you are supposed to cease that activity immediately and report it to CCP.
Try proving that we knew it wasn't working as intended.
No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
8782
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Posted - 2014.08.14 05:50:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:How M'I Alive wrote:If you know something is working in a manner that is not intended, which allows you to gain an advantage over others who are not aware of such, you are supposed to cease that activity immediately and report it to CCP. Try proving that we knew it wasn't working as intended.
Or that looking at your own API data can somehow be punished.
Just ignore the worthless NPC alt, James.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Mordus Angels
2014
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Posted - 2014.08.14 05:54:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:How M'I Alive wrote:If you know something is working in a manner that is not intended, which allows you to gain an advantage over others who are not aware of such, you are supposed to cease that activity immediately and report it to CCP. Try proving that we knew it wasn't working as intended.
Proof that it isn't working as intended.
Given that (figuratively) half of goonswarm posted in that thread, and most of them replied to that specific dev post...yeah, you knew.
Personally, I think a whole bunch of you should be slapped with a temp ban. You found a loophole that was not at all intended, and you abused it. Simple as that. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Mordus Angels
2014
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Posted - 2014.08.14 05:58:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Or that looking at your own API data can somehow be punished.
Just ignore the worthless NPC alt, James.
Any exploit can and should be punished. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
8782
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Posted - 2014.08.14 05:59:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:
You saw a mechanic that wasn't working as intended, you gained an advantage, and you didn't report it to ccp. You're probably still abusing it as we speak.
If only looking at your own API didn't have literally dozens of legitimate uses.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Mordus Angels
2014
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Posted - 2014.08.14 06:01:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:
You saw a mechanic that wasn't working as intended, you gained an advantage, and you didn't report it to ccp. You're probably still abusing it as we speak.
If only looking at your own API didn't have literally dozens of legitimate uses.
What stopped them from reporting it to CCP? We've established that they knew it was unintended, but they decided to be all nice and quiet about it. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
8782
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Posted - 2014.08.14 06:03:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:
You saw a mechanic that wasn't working as intended, you gained an advantage, and you didn't report it to ccp. You're probably still abusing it as we speak.
If only looking at your own API didn't have literally dozens of legitimate uses. What stopped them from reporting it to CCP? We've established that they knew it was unintended, but they decided to be all nice and quiet about it.
Really? Because as far as I know, this only got found out a few hours ago.
And it was posted on reddit publicly, not given to CCP to take care of. Let's ban that guy, I guess.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
11036
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Posted - 2014.08.14 06:04:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:
You saw a mechanic that wasn't working as intended, you gained an advantage, and you didn't report it to ccp. You're probably still abusing it as we speak.
If only looking at your own API didn't have literally dozens of legitimate uses. What stopped them from reporting it to CCP?
Do you have access to the bug reports that get sent to CCP?
No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Mordus Angels
2014
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Posted - 2014.08.14 06:09:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Really? Because as far as I know, this only got found out a few hours ago.
No, it only got posted publically a few hours ago, we don't know who abused it and for how long before outing it publically.
Also:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:How M'I Alive wrote:If you know something is working in a manner that is not intended, which allows you to gain an advantage over others who are not aware of such, you are supposed to cease that activity immediately and report it to CCP. Try proving that we knew it wasn't working as intended.
To me this bit implied that they were involved in the activity, and are simply feigning ignorance that this was an unintended consequence.
However, there hasn't been any explicit statement or proof that this was abused by any particular party...until such proof is provided I think CCP should launch an investigation into whether and how severely this exploit was abused. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Mordus Angels
2014
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Posted - 2014.08.14 06:11:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:
You saw a mechanic that wasn't working as intended, you gained an advantage, and you didn't report it to ccp. You're probably still abusing it as we speak.
If only looking at your own API didn't have literally dozens of legitimate uses. What stopped them from reporting it to CCP? Do you have access to the bug reports that get sent to CCP?
No, but CCP does. I simply wish that CCP investigate the matter thoroughly and if a bug report was not sent, and the exploit was abused, the appropriate individuals or organizations be punished. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
11036
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Posted - 2014.08.14 06:11:00 -
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Regardless of the above, still not an exploit to look at your own API data.
I mean what options would we have to avoid it if it were an exploit? Refuse to look at our API data? Unreasonable. Pretend we didn't see it? Unreasonable.
No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
8782
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Posted - 2014.08.14 06:12:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:
However, there hasn't been any explicit statement or proof that this was abused by any particular party...until such proof is provided I think CCP should launch an investigation into whether and how severely this exploit was abused.
What exploit? Looking at your own API is an intended mechanic.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Mordus Angels
2016
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Posted - 2014.08.14 06:17:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:
However, there hasn't been any explicit statement or proof that this was abused by any particular party...until such proof is provided I think CCP should launch an investigation into whether and how severely this exploit was abused.
What exploit? Looking at your own API is an intended mechanic.
We've already established that it is unintended, and we have a very good definition for the correct procedure to follow in the event of such an unintended exploit:
How M'I Alive wrote:If you know something is working in a manner that is not intended, which allows you to gain an advantage over others who are not aware of such, you are supposed to cease that activity immediately and report it to CCP.
.
Looking at your API, and acquiring information which CCP explicitly did not intend to be available, and than leveraging that information into tangible in-game advantages is an exploit.
This warrants a very harsh punishment if individuals or organizations did not report it and instead abused it.
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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Mordus Angels
2016
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Posted - 2014.08.14 06:18:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Regardless of the above, still not an exploit to look at your own API data.
I mean what options would we have to avoid it if it were an exploit? Refuse to look at our API data? Unreasonable. Pretend we didn't see it? Unreasonable.
Report it.
You avoid the whole "exploit" bit by reporting it to CCP.
Quote:If you know something is working in a manner that is not intended, which allows you to gain an advantage over others who are not aware of such, you are supposed to cease that activity immediately and report it to CCP.
What part of this are you still not getting? |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
8782
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Posted - 2014.08.14 06:21:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:We've already established that it is unintended, and we have a very good definition for the correct procedure to follow in the event of such an unintended exploit:
First of all, don't try and quote the worthless NPC alt for anything, least of all to prove a point.
Secondly, using the API tool is fully intended. That's what it's for.
And like I said, since all you have is conjecture that this was known at all prior to what his face releasing it on reddit(I had no clue about it, it was news to me), you don't have a leg to stand on.
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This warrants a very harsh punishment if individuals or organizations did not report it and instead abused it.
And once again, use of the API is intended and permitted. There are no "individuals and organizations" that can be punished, since using the API has many, many legitimate uses.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Mordus Angels
2016
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Posted - 2014.08.14 06:27:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:We've already established that it is unintended, and we have a very good definition for the correct procedure to follow in the event of such an unintended exploit: First of all, don't try and quote the worthless NPC alt for anything, least of all to prove a point.
Except he's 100% correct.
That is quite literally the correct procedure to follow in the evented of an unintended mechanic.
But if you can't attack the message, attack the poster, right? Nice modus operandi you got there.
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Secondly, using the API tool is fully intended. That's what it's for. And like I said, since all you have is conjecture that this was known at all prior to what his face releasing it on reddit(I had no clue about it, it was news to me), you don't have a leg to stand on. Quote:
This warrants a very harsh punishment if individuals or organizations did not report it and instead abused it.
And once again, use of the API is intended and permitted. There are no "individuals and organizations" that can be punished, since using the API has many, many legitimate uses.
And shooting your own MTUs is intended and permitted. We all know how that one turned out.
Pedantry won't help you. Acquiring information about siphons via API is explicitly unintended. Plain and simple. |
TharOkha
0asis Group
915
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Posted - 2014.08.14 06:27:00 -
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Siphons are worthless.
You set them to several POSes and within a few hours they are destroyed. No matter if you steal from big boys (CFC/PL etc) or from the small corps.
Considering their price (12-14m) and time they are destroyed since you deploy them, they are totally not worth.
Maybe it is this API exploit i dont know...
If the Siphons would cost 500k-1m the it would be something different.
CODE. in a nutshell |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Mordus Angels
2016
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Posted - 2014.08.14 06:28:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
And like I said, since all you have is conjecture that this was known at all prior to what his face releasing it on reddit(I had no clue about it, it was news to me), you don't have a leg to stand on.
Which is why, and I said this very clearly in my past few posts, I merely hope that CCP investigates any potential abuse of this exploit very thoroughly. |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
1232
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Posted - 2014.08.14 06:32:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:[...]we don't know who [...] and for how long [...]
Found your problem, no need to thank me.
Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699
Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
8782
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Posted - 2014.08.14 06:32:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:
And shooting your own MTUs is intended and permitted. We all know how that one turned out.
Yeah, his buddies cried hard enough to save him from a perma ban. Because if one thing is consistent, it's that regardless of what the right thing to do is, CCP always caves to tears.
Or did you mean the part where he explicitly took advantage of something that had already been detailed and listed out long beforehand? And, for his own measurable and obvious gain?
Because the price error was known way before he got banned for it. As opposed to this one, which just got discovered today as far as anyone is aware.
Like I said, all you have is conjecture. And worse than that, conjecture that does not fit the facts of what is going on right now.
Help me with what? I don't own a siphon or a moon pos. I just know bullshit when I smell it.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
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