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Kyria Timeyu
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Posted - 2006.07.19 17:42:00 -
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You just have to take a look the market and you can see that the crow is a lot more popular than any other inty. It costs 3 times as much as them. And why not, it's a frigate that can move at 3km+ per second while shooting for 100-200dps at 50km. But what I'm wondering is why CCP is allowing this unbalance to develop.
Right now this isn't a big problem because its higher power is balanced by its higher price, but when reverse engineering and BPC research comes out you can bet everyone and his grandmother is going to be building crows, and then we'll have people flying nothing but crows as interceptors
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Laboratus
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.19 17:43:00 -
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Because it uses missiles. Mind control and tin hats |
Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 17:45:00 -
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I am a Caldari spec. pilot but I am already migrating to Gallente. Taranis is better. Raptor is also good. Crow is not that wonderful. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
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HippoKing
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 17:45:00 -
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Its not so much better, but not having to track (particularly given inty speeds) is a huge advantage.
Remember also, there are vastly more caldari than anything else, and the raptor sucks hard.
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Jim Raynor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 17:45:00 -
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wtb 200dps crow
i dont know why crow prices shot up, maybe because caldari are popular and have more demand, maybe the bpo owners got together and decided they could get more by all increasing prices, who knows ------ I'll make a sig later. |
Shintoko Akahoshi
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.07.19 17:48:00 -
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It's easy to fly with relatively low skill points, and Crow tactics are pretty safe (i.e. you can fight from outside web range). It's also pretty fast, compared to most of the other 3+ midslot interceptors, which means that it can pick and choose its fights.
On the downside, it's costly and doesn't do a tremendous amount of damage. It's also fairly fragile, so it goes down quickly if things go wrong.
Oh, and please tell me how you can shoot for 200 dps from 50km in a Crow. Light missile Crows do laughable little damage, while rocket Crows can't fight from 50km. 15km (for a moderately skilled pilot firing light missiles, or an uber pilot with the right fitting firing rockets in the right tactical situation) is more like it.
The Red Mom of WarÖ
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Master OlavPancrazio
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Posted - 2006.07.19 17:48:00 -
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They aren't the best.
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.19 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor wtb 200dps crow
i dont know why crow prices shot up, maybe because caldari are popular and have more demand, maybe the bpo owners got together and decided they could get more by all increasing prices, who knows
You are selling fog there and you know it. Blastertaranis vs crow with a little brains results in very dead taranis. (and it must be very stupid crow pilot to get killed by blastertaranis, luckily crow is caldari ship so... we know who is flying them in 75% cases)
Why is crow popular: 1. always hit (hitting with 125mm rail or dl beam while orbiting with mwd... yeah carrier maybe) 2. good burst damage 3. good locking range(much more important than it seems. At least to inty vets)
Oh and i hug caldari alt with inty 5 :)
--------- Boost caldari. It will reduce whining on forums due to the fact: 45% chars are mostly caldari specialized. |
Master OlavPancrazio
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Posted - 2006.07.19 18:01:00 -
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Who cares, the point you are arguing is retarded. Intercepters aren't supposed to be rated at how good they can fight other intercepters, but how well they can tackle ships. Other ships do way better dps, tank better, all while tackling just as well as the crow.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC Boost caldari. It will reduce whining on forums due to the fact: 45% chars are mostly caldari specialized.
Your sig says it all. That alone makes the Crow expensive. It is very balanced though because ppl who lose them keep buying at a stage where they think it is too expensive and move on to different ships.
Adapt or cry is the theme of this thread. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.19 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: LUKEC Boost caldari. It will reduce whining on forums due to the fact: 45% chars are mostly caldari specialized.
Your sig says it all. That alone makes the Crow expensive. It is very balanced though because ppl who lose them keep buying at a stage where they think it is too expensive and move on to different ships.
Adapt or cry is the theme of this thread.
Sorry i have caldari alt.. very specialized :)
And it is 1w1n ship for people with no skills. Like raven. --------- Boost caldari. It will reduce whining on forums due to the fact: 45% chars are mostly caldari specialized. |
Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC Sorry i have caldari alt.. very specialized :)
And it is 1w1n ship for people with no skills. Like raven.
I must be crap. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 18:17:00 -
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Solution: Lower crow speed.
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HippoKing
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Solution: Lower crow speed.
Please don't
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I am a Caldari spec. pilot but I am already migrating to Gallente. Taranis is better. Raptor is also good. Crow is not that wonderful.
I thought you said you were going minmatar. --- Eve Wiki | Eve Tribune | Eve Pirate |
Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I am a Caldari spec. pilot but I am already migrating to Gallente. Taranis is better. Raptor is also good. Crow is not that wonderful.
I thought you said you were going minmatar.
My secret alt. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I am a Caldari spec. pilot but I am already migrating to Gallente. Taranis is better. Raptor is also good. Crow is not that wonderful.
I thought you said you were going minmatar.
My secret alt.
Sometimes i feel everybody has alts but me in this game. Getting paranoid.
I dont want to have a second account, and i dont want to waste skill training time on this account on several chars. So im stuck with the choices I make... minnie is going to rule my world for the next few years. --- Eve Wiki | Eve Tribune | Eve Pirate |
Arkanor
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.19 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Solution: Lower crow speed.
Oh god no, can they have ONE fast ship (that I happen to own?)
Balance the Gun/Missile skilltrees!
Originally by: kieron rabble, Rabble, RABBLE, |
Weirda
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.19 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kyria Timeyu
Why is the crow so much better than other intys?
it isn't.
Originally by: Kyria Timeyu You just have to take a look the market and you can see that the crow is a lot more popular than any other inty. It costs 3 times as much as them.
the market is driven by sheep - not reality. it is an indication of nothing but supply vs demand... the most 'popular' race have always had some of the most pricy ship.
Quote: And why not, it's a frigate that can move at 3km+ per second while shooting for 100-200dps at 50km. But what I'm wondering is why CCP is allowing this unbalance to develop.
this utterly false. crow have (maybe) lowest dps of all interceptor with exception of maybe the malediction or stiletto.
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Right now this isn't a big problem because its higher power is balanced by its higher price
that never balances anything so...
Quote: but when reverse engineering and BPC research comes out you can bet everyone and his grandmother is going to be building crows, and then we'll have people flying nothing but crows as interceptors
this is utter crap... an invalid argument, and a slippery slope based on assumption.
1) Weirda does not fly crows 2) Weirda does not WANT to fly crows 3) The grass is always greener, especially to people who don't know what they are talking about 4) Crows are easy to kill (with other interceptors), or simply ignore due to their abysmal damage and lack of ability to keep you from going anywhere in another inty. There is no cruiser that couldn't tank one indefinatley... and there is no AF that couldn't pop one if it was set up for range as well. 5) there is no problem. are they annoying? yes. are FOTM setups annoying? Yes. Effective, sure, but very predictable.
obviously these are all OPINION of weirda, but they are based on actual experience rather then assumptions made off of irrelevant data (or for the wrong reasons against that data). stiletto is (and probably always has been) the cheapest interceptor... does it suck? no.
what did you actually lose to a crow (honestly) - and did it have anything to do with the fact that it was a crow? or would any fast long range ship have killed you the same? __ Weirda Join QOTSA Now |
Arbenowskee
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.07.19 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Kyria Timeyu You just have to take a look the market and you can see that the crow is a lot more popular than any other inty. It costs 3 times as much as them. And why not, it's a frigate that can move at 3km+ per second while shooting for 100-200dps at 50km. But what I'm wondering is why CCP is allowing this unbalance to develop.
Right now this isn't a big problem because its higher power is balanced by its higher price, but when reverse engineering and BPC research comes out you can bet everyone and his grandmother is going to be building crows, and then we'll have people flying nothing but crows as interceptors
crow does maybe 70 DPS with lights. and that's whith good skills. so it has low dmg, one of the lowest HP of all inties and it's the third slowest inty with 425 m/s (taranis - 420 and raptor doing 415).
so it's basicly pretty crappy ship, all it has is range and the fact it does not need to track. range is a nice thing to exploit against other inties if their pilot is stupid enough to stay around and get hit by missiles from more than 20km.
best inty imo? railranis. by far. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sig too large. Maximum size 400x120 and 24000 bytes. -Oiri Yusko |
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.19 19:09:00 -
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Edited by: LUKEC on 19/07/2006 19:11:08 Edited by: LUKEC on 19/07/2006 19:09:16
Originally by: Arbenowskee
Originally by: Kyria Timeyu You just have to take a look the market and you can see that the crow is a lot more popular than any other inty. It costs 3 times as much as them. And why not, it's a frigate that can move at 3km+ per second while shooting for 100-200dps at 50km. But what I'm wondering is why CCP is allowing this unbalance to develop.
Right now this isn't a big problem because its higher power is balanced by its higher price, but when reverse engineering and BPC research comes out you can bet everyone and his grandmother is going to be building crows, and then we'll have people flying nothing but crows as interceptors
crow does maybe 70 DPS with lights. and that's whith good skills. so it has low dmg, one of the lowest HP of all inties and it's the third slowest inty with 425 m/s (taranis - 420 and raptor doing 415).
so it's basicly pretty crappy ship, all it has is range and the fact it does not need to track. range is a nice thing to exploit against other inties if their pilot is stupid enough to stay around and get hit by missiles from more than 20km.
best inty imo? railranis. by far.
well... no, it is not. Reason: frigs have like 1k hp, that's 2 volleys from crow.
Also i've done enough taranis flying and it is not THAT good.
Actually best inty atm is crusader with web and pulses, only problem is that... it CANNOT scramble. --------- Boost caldari. It will reduce whining on forums due to the fact: 45% chars are mostly caldari specialized. |
Vladimir Norkoff
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Posted - 2006.07.19 19:34:00 -
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Yeah, never quite understood that whole dps fantacism.. DPS doesn't mean doo-doo if a) you're not in range, b) you can't hit your target, and c) you're dead before you can correct either of the above..
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Isonkon Serikain
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.19 20:46:00 -
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crow definitely is easiest to fly and engage other inties with... The reasons have been given already... -good enough damage -good speed and ability to dictate range (the other 2 3-midslot inties that are FASTER than the crow have less firepower) - no need to track with missiles 4tw
come to think of it, crow is not really fitting as a caldari ship... I could be a tad slower/heavier... Ison's notches more notches |
Isonkon Serikain
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.19 20:47:00 -
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crow definitely is easiest to fly and engage other inties with... The reasons have been given already... -good enough damage -good speed and ability to dictate range (the other 2 3-midslot inties that are FASTER than the crow have less firepower) - no need to track with missiles 4tw
come to think of it, crow is not really fitting as a caldari ship... I could be a tad slower/heavier... Ison's notches more notches |
James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.07.19 20:55:00 -
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I'm not convinced the crow is the best inty. I fly one, because it sucks less than the raptor, but... Well, price isn't an indicator or 'best' just 'most in demand'. There's a lot of caldari specced people out there, and raptors ... well, maybe don't suck, but in the main split weapon systems are unpopular.
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steveid
Penetrate
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Posted - 2006.07.19 20:58:00 -
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long range weaponry guaranteed damage better speed (and if your opponent uses mwd your damage goes up)
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Merin Ryskin
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 21:09:00 -
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Or a couple other reasons to consider...
1) It's Caldari. There are a lot of pilots with Caldari Frigate V and good missile skills, so the Crow is the easiest interceptor for those pilots to fly. But the number of BPOs is the same as the other interceptors, making it a simple supply/demand situation.
2) It's "good enough" and easy to fly (player skill), making it a good default choice for a first interceptor. So it picks up a lot of the "which interceptor should I fly?????" crowd, making even more demand for the same supply.
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Dethis
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Isonkon Serikain crow definitely is easiest to fly and engage other inties with... The reasons have been given already... -good enough damage -good speed and ability to dictate range (the other 2 3-midslot inties that are FASTER than the crow have less firepower) - no need to track with missiles 4tw
come to think of it, crow is not really fitting as a caldari ship... I could be a tad slower/heavier...
It really should be heaviest and slowest of the inties.
/me ducks -------- Kill em all and let god sort em out
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Toy Here is a reason for you...
I met someone 2 days ago. She is coming back to EVE for the KALI patch later this year.
So she said to me, "I'm trying to sort through my hangers after this year or two off, and I found a crow BPO. Are crows any good now? What is production like now?"
I almost fell out of my chair!!!! I was honest and told her to NEVER trade or sell that BPO, and now my theory is that there are several crow BPOs out of circulation. Hense the high prices.
Means there are more Crow BPOs now. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Dethis
Originally by: Isonkon Serikain crow definitely is easiest to fly and engage other inties with... The reasons have been given already... -good enough damage -good speed and ability to dictate range (the other 2 3-midslot inties that are FASTER than the crow have less firepower) - no need to track with missiles 4tw
come to think of it, crow is not really fitting as a caldari ship... I could be a tad slower/heavier...
It really should be heaviest and slowest of the inties.
/me ducks
/fistshake
Crow is not thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat fast. Caldari is already well balanced. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
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