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ArcticFox Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.07.21 09:36:00 - [31] Originally by: Exus btw, The Coll shoots at ASCN and fight along with AXE ? hell Considering they're attacking Huzzah because Huzzah 'proposed' to assist us (AXE), no. -------------------------- What to do about High Sec Suicide piracy...
Stamm Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.21 09:38:00 - [32] Originally by: Backdoor Bandit Wheeeee, Go Collective! You're just saying that because you want assimilated.
galll	Posted - 2006.07.21 10:18:00 - [33] first S.E gives catch to FIX. Then S.A and Hussah take it from FIX and S.A lets Hussah have it, At that time the Collective was part of S.A. And now S.E and The Collective have come back and want the area for them selves and RAT. Seems to mee the original owners are coming and want there property back. Hussah you seem to have some fighting to do. And the questin is what will S.A do.
Manfred Sideous Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.07.21 10:24:00 - [34] Dont worry Huzzah has there good friends SA and SMASH and the rest of CODA to help them. Or do they? Hmm Huzzah are you being dogpiled? Man aint Karma a mofo = (
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.07.21 10:40:00 - [35] Edited by: Hans Roaming on 21/07/2006 10:41:40 Originally by: galll first S.E gives catch to FIX. Then S.A and Hussah take it from FIX and S.A lets Hussah have it, At that time the Collective was part of S.A. And now S.E and The Collective have come back and want the area for them selves and RAT. Seems to mee the original owners are coming and want there property back. Hussah you seem to have some fighting to do. And the questin is what will S.A do. Huzzah was put in a hard place as Collective was one of the corps who put them there in catch and thus was considered a very close friend. So whilst happy to fight SE and RAT in the pipe whenever they saw them, especially as they are enemies of SA, Huzzah stayed away from the conflict in E3 because Collective was there. When RAT and SE decide to drop large POS in Huzzah space then it forced the issue for Huzzah to get more involved although the alliance still didn't want to get involved in E3 because of Collective being there. As pointed out before they had been comrades in arms, but the alliance was faced with a difficult choice as ASCN and AXE were also fighting the same enemies and thus mutual support made sense. But as Collective have aligned themselves with the enemies of Huzzah and SA then a conflict between Huzzah and the corp was really just a matter of time. However now there is no reason not to commit fully with ASCN and AXE against all three if that is what Huzzah wishes to do so. Am sure that SA are faced with a similar question as although the Collective is still blue and were also comrades in arms they are activly allied with their enemies in the region. This of course all makes EVE interesting and keeps it from going stale. But lets say SE/RAT/Collective do drive Huzzah out, keeping those 3 stations is a lot harder than living in NPC stations and it's not like BOB + FIX and SE + RAT + Collective are friends to start with. Anyway things have probably changed a bit since I was leading, but thought I'd give you my viewpoint.
Backdoor Bandit Minmatar Gay Rights League	Posted - 2006.07.21 11:25:00 - [36] That's pretty insightful, Hans and the kind of thing I would expect to hear from the Huzzah leader, maybe you could run for the job? -------------
Evil Thug Rage and Terror	Posted - 2006.07.21 11:52:00 - [37] Originally by: Hans Roaming Huzzah was put in a hard place as Collective was one of the corps who put them there in catch and thus was considered a very close friend. So whilst happy to fight SE and RAT in the pipe whenever they saw them, especially as they are enemies of SA, Huzzah stayed away from the conflict in E3 because Collective was there. During e3-sdz siege your alliance offered help in attacking COL to ASCN\AXE multiply times. Now you are playing "innocent" card Originally by: Hans Roaming But lets say SE/RAT/Collective do drive Huzzah out, keeping those 3 stations is a lot harder than living in NPC stations and it's not like BOB + FIX and SE + RAT + Collective are friends to start with. Actually buying PvP for 1b (price of large pos) - good idea. I guess we`ll visit ASCN \ AXE after you, if they will be stupid enough to come in e3- again. Rage and Terror - making people quit EVE.
Bonita Ramirez Xenobytes Stain Empire	Posted - 2006.07.21 11:53:00 - [38] Originally by: Backdoor Bandit That's pretty insightful, Hans and the kind of thing I would expect to hear from the Huzzah leader, maybe you could run for the job? tbh Hans paid us (SE/RAT) before he left Huzzah to get contract for his new merc corp later Very clever move: to save old friends and get some iskies for yourself ---------------------------------------------
Deja Thoris Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.07.21 12:06:00 - [39] Go go metagaming squad...
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.07.21 12:10:00 - [40] Originally by: Evil Thug During e3-sdz siege your alliance offered help in attacking COL to ASCN\AXE multiply times. Now you are playing "innocent" card If COL wasn't there in E3 Huzzah would have been. There is no innocent card being played here at all as we did want to assist ASCN & AXE against SE & RAT but shooting the people who had helped us get to catch in the first place and also fought alongside us vs FIX was distasteful and so Huzzah didn't go into E3. Thus there was a sort of limited warfare with conflict in the pipe which of course changed on RAT and SE dropping large POS in Huzzah space and escalating the situation as described above. My last night was spent organising the attacks which put both the SE & RAT POS into reinforced. Originally by: Evil Thug Actually buying PvP for 1b (price of large pos) - good idea. I guess we`ll visit ASCN \ AXE after you, if they will be stupid enough to come in e3- again. After you visit the MC?!?!? Am sure ASCN and AXE have a lot of pilots working their way up to T2 ammo on their BS so might as well make the most of that advantage in the timeframe you have.

Michelle Reed Moonbeam Refining and Production	Posted - 2006.07.21 12:11:00 - [41] Geez, this came as a surprise As other people have said, the fact that The Collective now enters the fight was bound to happen from the moment they allied themselves with RAT and SE. Huzzah did indeed avoid the fight in E3 due to the fact that Col was involved there and we had them as long-term friends that actually helped us become what we are today. That some less enlightened people in our alliance WANTED to go in there and fight RAT/SE (long-term enemies) are no surprise, as it's neither any surprise that The Collective/RAT/SE use this as their excuse. Seriously guys, you want in on the fun, nothing more. No need to wrap it up in nice gift wrapping just to make it look good.... This does indeed make our politics and ability to support our friends in ASCN/AXE alot easier though, and while I expect the fighting to be hard I'm also looking forward to it. So in the spirit of fair fighting and good fun, cya on the battlefields. Michelle Reed President, Huzzah Federation
Ilany BANK of HUZZAH FEDERATION HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2006.07.21 12:14:00 - [42] Edited by: Ilany on 21/07/2006 12:16:47 Originally by: Evil Thug Actually buying PvP for 1b (price of large pos) - good idea. Good idea = staying logged in rather than logging in and out all the time. As for mercs... well we were thinking about it, but the only group we've decided upon so far are the MGRL. B-B, you'll be coming in from the rear. I hope you have Triple-sheathed protection membranes - RAT get very upset if you poke them when they're not looking. ------
Evil Thug Rage and Terror	Posted - 2006.07.21 12:22:00 - [43] Originally by: Hans Roaming After you visit the MC?!?!? I meant HF. Originally by: Hans Roaming Am sure ASCN and AXE have a lot of pilots working their way up to T2 ammo on their BS so might as well make the most of that advantage in the timeframe you have. Do you really beleive, that in 150 vs 50, with our fleet jumping in we won by using t2 guns only ? I guess you`ll need to learn from your new alliancem8s, that in war, sp of your toon means nothing. Its all about dedication, and tactic. Rage and Terror - making people quit EVE.
Evil Thug Rage and Terror	Posted - 2006.07.21 12:23:00 - [44] Originally by: Ilany Edited by: Ilany on 21/07/2006 12:16:47 Originally by: Evil Thug Actually buying PvP for 1b (price of large pos) - good idea. Good idea = staying logged in rather than logging in and out all the time. Hint hint. Open your kb, check what killratio you have, and try to prove, that our tactic aren`t working. Until then - go cry somewhere else, k ? Rage and Terror - making people quit EVE.
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.07.21 12:31:00 - [45] Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: Hans Roaming After you visit the MC?!?!? I meant HF. I know, was pulling your leg, heh heh. Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: Hans Roaming Am sure ASCN and AXE have a lot of pilots working their way up to T2 ammo on their BS so might as well make the most of that advantage in the timeframe you have. Do you really beleive, that in 150 vs 50, with our fleet jumping in we won by using t2 guns only ? I guess you`ll need to learn from your new alliancem8s, that in war, sp of your toon means nothing. Its all about dedication, and tactic. Ok so if that 150 had t2 ammo at that time as well the results would have been identical? Sure SP isn't everything but am suprised you're discounting the immunity from EW and T1 gun ranged fire that T2 ammo gives your fleets. Am sure that the tactics you used against ASCN did as much to put them at range to where this advantage would work to your favour. Against BoB when they attacked your capital ship yard system you faced an opponent where this advantage was not present and the results were different. If your forces in the future engage 150 ASCN with 50 who are equipped with equivilent ships plus ammo and you get the same outcome at the end of the battle then I will happilly eat my words.
Tao Han Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.21 12:36:00 - [46] Edited by: Tao Han on 21/07/2006 12:36:11 wrong thread
Shifu Xenobytes Stain Empire	Posted - 2006.07.21 12:44:00 - [47] Edited by: Shifu on 21/07/2006 12:45:23 Originally by: Hans Roaming ...... Ok so if that 150 had t2 ammo at that time as well the results would have been identical? Sure SP isn't everything but am suprised you're discounting the immunity from EW and T1 gun ranged fire that T2 ammo gives your fleets. Am sure that the tactics you used against ASCN did as much to put them at range to where this advantage would work to your favour. Against BoB when they attacked your capital ship yard system you faced an opponent where this advantage was not present and the results were different. If your forces in the future engage 150 ASCN with 50 who are equipped with equivilent ships plus ammo and you get the same outcome at the end of the battle then I will happilly eat my words. In fights with ascn we ALWAYS jumped to them, they never.. and it was when they stayed on the gate on THEIR own optimal range. With BOB we fought from 40-60km. So maybe you will stop speculations about things which you don't know and don't understand ;) http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/XB/shifu_001.jpg Please keep your signature below the 24000 bytes limit.- Pirlouit
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.07.21 12:46:00 - [48] Hans, repeat after me: "If I'm not being paid, I don't really care." There, see? All better now. - Latest MC Movie - Nation Building
Bonita Ramirez Xenobytes Stain Empire	Posted - 2006.07.21 12:56:00 - [49] Originally by: Hans Roaming Ok so if that 150 had t2 ammo... Quote: If your forces in the future engage 150 ASCN... Too many "IF" bro... /me turns Hans head to her sig below and says "That sig was created after E3-SDZ events" ---------------------------------------------
Evil Thug Rage and Terror	Posted - 2006.07.21 12:57:00 - [50] Originally by: Hans Roaming Ok so if that 150 had t2 ammo at that time as well the results would have been identical? No. But we`d play for win in that case, not for fun. Stabbed snipers, warping, picking 1 - 2 targets without speed, kill, retreat, repeat. Default tactic, perfectly used against us by [G] alliance 1.5 year ago. Very safe, and very usefull. Originally by: Hans Roaming Am sure that the tactics you used against ASCN did as much to put them at range to where this advantage would work to your favour. Against BoB when they attacked your capital ship yard system you faced an opponent where this advantage was not present and the results were different. Look, i`m playing this game for fun. I don`t have "omg, its bob, we are all gonna die" syndrome. Sometimes its fun to experiment, yes, even with bob, even outnumbered 2 : 1 Originally by: Hans Roaming If your forces in the future engage 150 ASCN with 50 who are equipped with equivilent ships plus ammo and you get the same outcome at the end of the battle then I will happilly eat my words. Most possible result in conditions, that you gave to me, there will be loads of short skirmishes, with 1 - 0, 2 - 0 results. Rage and Terror - making people quit EVE.

Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.07.21 13:02:00 - [51] I was speculating so that is why I had a lot of if's in my post. Anyway this has gone off topic from the original thread.
Exus Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.21 13:23:00 - [52] Originally by: ArcticFox Originally by: Exus btw, The Coll shoots at ASCN and fight along with AXE ? hell Considering they're attacking Huzzah because Huzzah 'proposed' to assist us (AXE), no. Im lost. who's friend with ASCN, who's not ?
God's Army Interstellar eXodus	Posted - 2006.07.21 13:24:00 - [53] Originally by: Delthus Collective :o lets keep it like the trekkies and have u guys lose to us :-p (no flamin intented just a light hearted joke) u need 1 beer with special cookie for this post. and 1 isk to each ASCN mofo who come to 9rq without wcs ---- Night Stalker... 9cg Lockdown
Rat Hunter The Collective	Posted - 2006.07.21 13:28:00 - [54] Originally by: Exus Originally by: ArcticFox Originally by: Exus btw, The Coll shoots at ASCN and fight along with AXE ? hell Considering they're attacking Huzzah because Huzzah 'proposed' to assist us (AXE), no. Im lost. who's friend with ASCN, who's not ? Asking your Alliance leader or CEO would be a step in the right direction, don't you think?
Exus Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.21 13:40:00 - [55] Originally by: Rat Hunter Originally by: Exus Originally by: ArcticFox Originally by: Exus btw, The Coll shoots at ASCN and fight along with AXE ? hell Considering they're attacking Huzzah because Huzzah 'proposed' to assist us (AXE), no. Im lost. who's friend with ASCN, who's not ? Asking your Alliance leader or CEO would be a step in the right direction, don't you think? Just wanted to know WTF is happening. I can even have a look at the ASCN standings table. Yesterday I saw blue AXE members, and Ive been killed by Crucifier while making some BMs. And now I read this thread. Do you see my point of view ?
heilio	Posted - 2006.07.21 13:46:00 - [56] Originally by: LeMoose Originally by: Brisi So I guess resistance is futile? Or are you sure it is? I mean, how can you know for sure that resistance is futile, untill you've faced said resistance? However, about 5 of you have already said that said resistance is futile, so you may have something to base it on? Otherwise you could hardly say that said resistance was futile before even attemping to make your enemy's (in this case Huzzard Federation's) resistance a matter of futility. Be that as it may, I'm sure we'll see posts-a-plenty in the future, in which you will point out the futile resistance that your future enemies will be forced to accept. Out of all this I can come up with only one intelligent reply, which I will now utter in all my posts as prove that resistance is not only not futile, it is much more. I am Brisi, I am as One. Resistance is fertile. it has been the slogan of The Collective for more than 3 years now And a quote from Star Trek for a lot longer......!
Buxaroo The Blackwater Brigade HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2006.07.21 13:47:00 - [57] Originally by: Evil Thug that in war, sp of your toon means nothing. Its all about dedication, and tactic. Well, this is one of the few things I agree with in this thread. Signature removed due to incorrect size (400X120px and 24000 bytes). Please review the forum rules or e-mail us with any questions. You can view you signature here - Petwraith
Fiona Appletart	Posted - 2006.07.21 16:34:00 - [58] Originally by: LeMoose ok lets keep it clean and smackfree ;) The Collective? Smack Free? ....
Sebastian Ix	Posted - 2006.07.21 16:38:00 - [59] Edited by: Sebastian Ix on 21/07/2006 16:38:02 Originally by: Evil Thug Do you really beleive, that in 150 vs 50, with our fleet jumping in we won by using t2 guns only ? I guess you`ll need to learn from your new alliancem8s, that in war, sp of your toon means nothing. Its all about dedication, and tactic. Hint: Tactics does not include lame lag generating crap. Maybe you'd see your killboard look slightly different if you played the game instead of exploiting it?
Isonkon Serikain Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.21 16:41:00 - [60] Hmmm.... Good timing. Ison's notches more notches



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