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Crucifier The Collective	Posted - 2006.07.24 12:44:00 - [91] Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: Crucifier Do you want to know how many ascn kills ive missed because they logged out? Do you think I care? Do you have any idea how many times RAT (and SE to a lesser extent) logoff while chased by a superior force, use login traps etc. etc. A standup fight I can appreciate, even if I lose badly. But lame tactics ftl. And by associating yourself so closely with these guys, you've branded yourself as one of them in my book. You get zero sympathy from me. Im not supposed to flame here but man are you stupid. You are whining over something ascn use on daily basis themselves.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.24 13:03:00 - [92] Originally by: Digiblast Log on traps is a must since there is this Huge Exploit called "Local Chat" and Eve univers map. But let's face it CCP and most of the carebears in eve are 2 afread to get rid of their local Exploit. How do you explain most successfull groups in eve dont use log in traps then? Tbh its a shame because I think Col and especially SE are an excellent bunch of players, but by condoning RAT exploits and even defending them on the forums you really end up looking as bad. - Gob [IXC] Admiral Goberius
Evil Thug Rage and Terror	Posted - 2006.07.24 13:40:00 - [93] Edited by: Evil Thug on 24/07/2006 13:40:39 Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Tbh its a shame because I think Col and especially SE are an excellent bunch of players, but by condoning RAT exploits and even defending them on the forums you really end up looking as bad. You are so bitter because you lose to us so badly and your beloved leader began to cry : "omg, devz, they h4x, plz ban them". sigh. Ofc we killed 90 of your battleships in 1 engagement because of login trap. Stop wearing purple glasses (i.e. reading Cyvok blogs). Welcome to the real world. Rage and Terror - making people quit EVE.
Da Beast	Posted - 2006.07.24 13:51:00 - [94] Love your sig Thug
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.07.24 13:55:00 - [95] hahaha that sig is sweet
Digiblast Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.24 14:07:00 - [96] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: Digiblast Log on traps is a must since there is this Huge Exploit called "Local Chat" and Eve univers map. But let's face it CCP and most of the carebears in eve are 2 afread to get rid of their local Exploit. How do you explain most successfull groups in eve dont use log in traps then? Tbh its a shame because I think Col and especially SE are an excellent bunch of players, but by condoning RAT exploits and even defending them on the forums you really end up looking as bad. MAn you really need to get your fact's right... I mean SE and Rat are one of the top successfull gourps in this game among many others. And log out Traps Rock... It kinda gets ruined by the local chat but it's effective sometimes.
CardboardSword42 Celtic Anarchy	Posted - 2006.07.24 14:24:00 - [97] I'm not sure why people take it upon themselves to decide whether or not a log on trap is an exploit. I'm Ex-Biomass, that makes me cool But now I'm KOS and it's all about the manlove
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.24 14:48:00 - [98] Originally by: Evil Thug Edited by: Evil Thug on 24/07/2006 13:40:39 Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Tbh its a shame because I think Col and especially SE are an excellent bunch of players, but by condoning RAT exploits and even defending them on the forums you really end up looking as bad. You are so bitter because you lose to us so badly and your beloved leader began to cry : "omg, devz, they h4x, plz ban them". sigh. Ofc we killed 90 of your battleships in 1 engagement because of login trap. Stop wearing purple glasses (i.e. reading Cyvok blogs). Welcome to the real world. Well where to start, first I wasnt there when those 90 bses where lost so I dont know the details, but I know it wasnt all ascn bses, second that is the only real figth where you spanked us and I alredy gave you props for it back then (clean victory) but you keep bringing it up because you have nothing else. Tbh after that fight I think you guys (RAT) brought a fleet into feyth just once, and you got spanked first in esoteria, then again in feyth while trying to run off. The biggest damage you have inflicted to us was through the login on the freighters a while back, but then again its funny how the lag generated by the mass login ended up saving most of the freighters. Anyway I am just saying its funny to see you talk big on forums ET, and then get spanked the rare times you fight other pvpers - I mean I dont wanna turn into another bob fanboi but what happened there? you said on forums you had prepared that POS specifically as honey trap then not only you had to use "creative" strategies just to get your guys into the system to defend it, but you also got brutally spanked nevertheless. Dont know, maybe you should get down your tall horse? P.S.: nice sig btw :p - Gob [IXC] Admiral Goberius
CardboardSword42 Celtic Anarchy	Posted - 2006.07.24 15:01:00 - [99] RAT engaged BoB when they were outnumbered more than 2:1, just thought I'd point that out. Also do you not consider LV, -V- and some of the other coalition members PvPers? I'm Ex-Biomass, that makes me cool But now I'm KOS and it's all about the manlove
Galimiy Portret Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.07.24 15:11:00 - [100] Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: Hans Roaming Am sure ASCN and AXE have a lot of pilots working their way up to T2 ammo on their BS so might as well make the most of that advantage in the timeframe you have. Do you really beleive, that in 150 vs 50, with our fleet jumping in we won by using t2 guns only ? I guess you`ll need to learn from your new alliancem8s, that in war, sp of your toon means nothing. Its all about dedication, and tactic. Most of the fleet engagements with RAT were done with far inferior gear, like all t1 against t2. Yes, skill is prevalent, but it is not the deciding factor when only 10% of the opposing gang can actually reach you.
Evil Thug Rage and Terror	Posted - 2006.07.24 15:24:00 - [101] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Well where to start, first I wasnt there when those 90 bses where lost so I dont know the details, but I know it wasnt all ascn bses, second that is the only real figth where you spanked us and I alredy gave you props for it back then (clean victory) but you keep bringing it up because you have nothing else. We also killed 4 of dreds. Its very funny, since you knew, that we are waiting for you. Also - you had 150+ of ascn\axe pilots, logged off in e3, according to your alliance forums. Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Tbh after that fight I think you guys (RAT) brought a fleet into feyth just once, and you got spanked first in esoteria, then again in feyth while trying to run off. 1 of your members made a fraps of that battle. Look @ comments in video section. We was outnumbered, lost few hacs, killed few cruisers and support. Then - we almost killed 1 of your carrier, with 5 hacs. Unfortunately your bandwagon arrived in time - carrier had 30% structure. Bid deal ? Ok, create topic every time we losing fleet engagement. Originally by: Goberth Ludwig The biggest damage you have inflicted to us was through the login on the freighters a while back, but then again its funny how the lag generated by the mass login ended up saving most of the freighters. Actually i thought that all ASCN members should sing the same song. I was wrong. Your members was screaming, that login traps = exploits because they are making people lag, now you are saying that lag saved your freighters from destruction. I tell you 1 thing, lag is constantly saving you. Back then, in e3, when we warped on your dreads first time - we were unable to break tank of chimaera. Yes, with 60 battleships and 10 carriers. Otherwise - you`d lost all your cap ships to us. Lets go back to freighters. You used exploit of game mechanics to prevent them from dying. Because everyone know, that if ship, without aggro timer logging off - he will disappear within 1 minute, even if you started to warp scramble him, when he is allready logged. Do you see rat\se\col complaing about it ? No. Thats life. Deal with it. Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Anyway I am just saying its funny to see you talk big on forums ET, and then get spanked the rare times you fight other pvpers - I mean I dont wanna turn into another bob fanboi but what happened there? you said on forums you had prepared that POS specifically as honey trap then not only you had to use "creative" strategies just to get your guys into the system to defend it, but you also got brutally spanked nevertheless. I decided to play "all or nothing" game. We had a chance, but failed. Life is unfair If you don`t remember - we lost 31 battleship (all our fleet ) when jumping into your camp in azn. Thats not big deal. At least we understand, that we are not so uber, as we thought. Cold shower - 4tw. As for fighting another "pvp" alliances. You can check BoB killboard, i beleive that we still inflicted more damage to them, than they to us (4 : 1 ratio on HACs), despite that lost fight. Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Dont know, maybe you should get down your tall horse? You had many opportunities to get me down from my tall horse. You failed, try better another time Originally by: Goberth Ludwig P.S.: nice sig btw :p Thanks Rage and Terror - making people quit EVE.
DeathGrip Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.24 15:38:00 - [102] We have lost some battles, we have won some battles period. The damge that you have done to us is not very much if you look at it this way. Lets say you have done 20bil in damage between AXE and ASCN. I think that is about 5 days of running 10/10's between both alliances. So have you killed a few of our ships, YES. Have we killed a few of your ships YES. Has either of us actually felt any effect yet. Doubt it.
Hellraiza666 Regeneration Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.07.24 15:40:00 - [103] Originally by: skelet0r Originally by: M1NeR Edited by: M1NeR on 22/07/2006 17:57:43 Originally by: Deja Thoris Log in traps and jumping into camped systems as downtime hits. Hey, after DT lets sabotage our logins so we don't warp back to the place where we logged out. They arent expolits simply because CCP don't have the tools to police them. Declaring it an exploit means CCP have to police it and they can't. And may be if CCP doesn't state this as an exploit it simply isn't ? May be it's just your imagination ? "What isnt prohibited is allowed" (c). "Both in love and war everything is good" (c). Have you ever heared of those provebs pal ? And it's war here m8 so everything is good as long as it works and isn't violating CCP rules. So stop those "loging traps blah blah blah" already. Btw I really wonder why so many ppl consider login trap an invalid tactic. I mean in real world in many wars every army now and then used ambushes, paratroopers were rapidly deployed at enemy's rear positions, under the cover of night troops were deployed in a way so they can attack and defeat enemy by surprise. It's basics of real military warfare doh! EVE Online offers much more warfare capabilities then any other MMOG, but unfortunately even they are pretty limited. You cant really 'hide' any of you forces. Even if you gather a fleet of covert ops and recons it still will be seen in local chat and eventually will be shining at map. The problem of 'local chat' deserves a whole separate topic for discussion so I won't go too far into it here. So what I want to say is what's wrong with login trap then? It's the only way to use some kind of REAL SURPRISE ATTACK against your enemy. If CCP would have given us more warfare tools to use stealth ambushes and other 'sudden strike' tactics noone would be using those login traps at all. May be they will implement something like this in future may be not. But I do hope they will cause the factor of surprise is one of the major things in military tactics and loosing it in EVE cause of some weird 'local chat' and things like that is really awful. P.S.: yyaaarr for TC ! oh yeah like that time during WW2, during D-Day when the germans were all chillin on the ocean, and all those allied guy suddenly logged in and suprised attacked them? or durning WW1, when the british suprised attacked the germans by logging in all those tanks? or like...during (insert battle here) when all those (insert soldiers here) were attacking (insert enemy here) and the like, all those enemy outta nowhere just showed up without warning, and all the intel the allies had was wrong because there was NO WAY for them to see that the enemy was completely invisable and couln't be seen no matter what they said? member when that happend? cause i dont. Best laugh so far today
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.24 15:58:00 - [104] Originally by: Evil Thug ... As for fighting another "pvp" alliances. You can check BoB killboard, i beleive that we still inflicted more damage to them, than they to us (4 : 1 ratio on HACs), despite that lost fight. ... Come on ET. 4:1 ratio on HACs is really nothing to brag about, considering you almost never fly them and BOB members prefer to fly them. Second, 21 HACs that you killed in the whole RATÆs existence while losing 5 is nothing to brag about. BoB kills that many in a day, not to mention double that in BS kills, so please give it a rest. If by using the ratio of 4:1 makes you sleep better at night, so be it, but itÆs still a very, very small number in comparisons of how many members BOB has vs. how many members RAT has. Inflicted more damage? That made me laugh. Cheers. The truth will set you free
Icarus100 The Collective	Posted - 2006.07.24 16:09:00 - [105] Okay first of all, the log in "exploit" was fixed not ages ago, but EONS ago, so stop frepping crying about it. Second, I fail to see how this thread is about ASCN/AXE/SWORD/What the hell not, do you? Third, Oh my god.
Evil Thug Rage and Terror	Posted - 2006.07.24 16:39:00 - [106] Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Evil Thug ... As for fighting another "pvp" alliances. You can check BoB killboard, i beleive that we still inflicted more damage to them, than they to us (4 : 1 ratio on HACs), despite that lost fight. ... Come on ET. 4:1 ratio on HACs is really nothing to brag about, considering you almost never fly them and BOB members prefer to fly them. Second, 21 HACs that you killed in the whole RAT’s existence while losing 5 is nothing to brag about. BoB kills that many in a day, not to mention double that in BS kills, so please give it a rest. If by using the ratio of 4:1 makes you sleep better at night, so be it, but it’s still a very, very small number in comparisons of how many members BOB has vs. how many members RAT has. Inflicted more damage? That made me laugh. Cheers. Oh, mr.Poison stepped in Dude, may be someone taking you seriously - but thats not me. Advice - when smacking someone - try to be more flexible. Try to use your imagination. Hope that helps Rage and Terror - making people quit EVE.
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.24 16:46:00 - [107] Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Evil Thug ... As for fighting another "pvp" alliances. You can check BoB killboard, i beleive that we still inflicted more damage to them, than they to us (4 : 1 ratio on HACs), despite that lost fight. ... Come on ET. 4:1 ratio on HACs is really nothing to brag about, considering you almost never fly them and BOB members prefer to fly them. Second, 21 HACs that you killed in the whole RATÆs existence while losing 5 is nothing to brag about. BoB kills that many in a day, not to mention double that in BS kills, so please give it a rest. If by using the ratio of 4:1 makes you sleep better at night, so be it, but itÆs still a very, very small number in comparisons of how many members BOB has vs. how many members RAT has. Inflicted more damage? That made me laugh. Cheers. Oh, mr.Poison stepped in Dude, may be someone taking you seriously - but thats not me. Advice - when smacking someone - try to be more flexible. Try to use your imagination. Hope that helps No advise needed ET. IÆm not smacking you, just pointing out how you use the 4:1 ratio as some big accomplishment, when itÆs really not when you look at the facts. Is a matter a fact, I considering your comment about dishing out more damage as smack, so take some of your own advise before lecturing others. K? The truth will set you free
Al Haquis Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.24 16:52:00 - [108] W00t Thanks E.T. I have a 12:1 ratio must mean im super uber. Thanks for that compliment But RAT and RED play to Win and i can respect that. The Collective still have miles to go With love From Al Haquis ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Council Member, Tahiri Warrior Masuat'aa Forums
Eric carr Crisis Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.24 16:53:00 - [109] Edited by: Eric carr on 24/07/2006 16:54:31 CAN YOU FEEL THE LOVE TONITE!! sings. Why does it always become a smackfest when ET is on the forum, samething as LV/-V- vs RA/RA(T)... Please only use english in your signature - Jacques([email protected])
Chrony Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.24 19:11:00 - [110] Edited by: Chrony on 24/07/2006 19:14:07 Edited by: Chrony on 24/07/2006 19:12:30 Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Anyway I am just saying its funny to see you talk big on forums ET, and then get spanked the rare times you fight other pvpers - I mean I dont wanna turn into another bob fanboi but what happened there? you said on forums you had prepared that POS specifically as honey trap then not only you had to use "creative" strategies just to get your guys into the system to defend it, but you also got brutally spanked nevertheless. I decided to play "all or nothing" game. We had a chance, but failed. Life is unfair If you don`t remember - we lost 31 battleship (all our fleet ) when jumping into your camp in azn. Thats not big deal. At least we understand, that we are not so uber, as we thought. Cold shower - 4tw. As for fighting another "pvp" alliances. You can check BoB killboard, i beleive that we still inflicted more damage to them, than they to us (4 : 1 ratio on HACs), despite that lost fight. Better Kill-Loss ratio on HACs? That's no big deal. Almost every Alliance we have ever faught has a better kill ration on HACs against us, but thats because we actually use them in fights. We have the BPOs, we have the resources to build them and instead of selling them to get rich like everyone else we supply our members with them. Edit: Spelling
Sky Hunter Rage and Terror	Posted - 2006.07.24 20:15:00 - [111] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: Digiblast Log on traps is a must since there is this Huge Exploit called "Local Chat" and Eve univers map. But let's face it CCP and most of the carebears in eve are 2 afread to get rid of their local Exploit. How do you explain most successfull groups in eve dont use log in traps then? Tbh its a shame because I think Col and especially SE are an excellent bunch of players, but by condoning RAT exploits and even defending them on the forums you really end up looking as bad. And whos here a successufull group? You? p.s. Point still not proven, means: Us > You. -=-
Masta Killa BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.07.24 20:15:00 - [112] A) Conveniently logging in at a good moment (a.k.a "OMG LOGINTRAPS") isn't an exploit as far as I know. B) I've lost dozens of ascn kills because they logged out right there and then to avoid death. C) I'd also like to mention that the same thing goes for Fix, Bob (especially Bob), Axe, Ushra khan, D2 and even more alliances that I can't even remember the names of. D) COL pwns, hands down. -------------------------------------- "It's like, we show up and UDIE."
Chrony Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.24 21:00:00 - [113] Edited by: Chrony on 24/07/2006 21:05:52 Originally by: Masta Killa C) I'd also like to mention that the same thing goes for Fix, Bob (especially Bob), Axe, Ushra khan, D2 and even more alliances that I can't even remember the names of. Why dont you give us a few names of those BoB pilots that logged out? I'd sure be interested to hear them. Saying stuff like that is the as me saying "Oh Masta Killa i've seen you mining Veldspar in Yulai last week." Just because i can say it doesnt make it true! I've been a Member of BoB for over 1 + Years now and I've NEVER been part of a log in trap and i dont think any of us would react very pleasant if their FC told them to pull a log in trap on someone.
Masta Killa BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.07.24 21:18:00 - [114] Originally by: Chrony Why dont you give us a few names of those BoB pilots that logged out? I'd sure be interested to hear them. Saying stuff like that is the as me saying "Oh Masta Killa i've seen you mining Veldspar in Yulai last week." Just because i can say it doesnt make it true! I've been a Member of BoB for over 1 + Years now and I've NEVER been part of a log in trap and i dont think any of us would react very pleasant if their FC told them to pull a log in trap on someone. I didn't mention a login trap in regards to Bob. I've never seen you pull one, but then again I'm not dumb enough to die to one anyway. But the logging out bit was in a few 3-4 day trips in my vaga to delve and fountain that took place when SA and FIX were still at war and Bob hadn't interfered yet. Most of the Bob npcers I found in belts did log out in the belts, but I'm not trying to pull any "omg name and shame", I'm just pleasantly pointing out that you're no better (even worse actually) than other alliances, when it comes to lameness. -------------------------------------- "It's like, we show up and UDIE."
Whoturned Outthelights	Posted - 2006.07.24 21:27:00 - [115] Originally by: Masta Killa Originally by: Chrony Why dont you give us a few names of those BoB pilots that logged out? I'd sure be interested to hear them. Saying stuff like that is the as me saying "Oh Masta Killa i've seen you mining Veldspar in Yulai last week." Just because i can say it doesnt make it true! I've been a Member of BoB for over 1 + Years now and I've NEVER been part of a log in trap and i dont think any of us would react very pleasant if their FC told them to pull a log in trap on someone. I didn't mention a login trap in regards to Bob. I've never seen you pull one, but then again I'm not dumb enough to die to one anyway. But the logging out bit was in a few 3-4 day trips in my vaga to delve and fountain that took place when SA and FIX were still at war and Bob hadn't interfered yet. Most of the Bob npcers I found in belts did log out in the belts, but I'm not trying to pull any "omg name and shame", I'm just pleasantly pointing out that you're no better (even worse actually) than other alliances, when it comes to lameness. And ganking npcers in a stabbabond is not lame because....
Crucifier The Collective	Posted - 2006.07.24 22:31:00 - [116] Originally by: Whoturned Outthelights Originally by: Masta Killa Originally by: Chrony Why dont you give us a few names of those BoB pilots that logged out? I'd sure be interested to hear them. Saying stuff like that is the as me saying "Oh Masta Killa i've seen you mining Veldspar in Yulai last week." Just because i can say it doesnt make it true! I've been a Member of BoB for over 1 + Years now and I've NEVER been part of a log in trap and i dont think any of us would react very pleasant if their FC told them to pull a log in trap on someone. I didn't mention a login trap in regards to Bob. I've never seen you pull one, but then again I'm not dumb enough to die to one anyway. But the logging out bit was in a few 3-4 day trips in my vaga to delve and fountain that took place when SA and FIX were still at war and Bob hadn't interfered yet. Most of the Bob npcers I found in belts did log out in the belts, but I'm not trying to pull any "omg name and shame", I'm just pleasantly pointing out that you're no better (even worse actually) than other alliances, when it comes to lameness. And ganking npcers in a stabbabond is not lame because.... lol
M1NeR Rage and Terror	Posted - 2006.07.25 01:12:00 - [117] Originally by: Guma With this opinion you show only that you play the game without the intend to have good fights. LOL why? I'm always having good fights. Good fight = my victory, bad fight = my loss. Pretty simple, isnt it ? Originally by: Guma you can't have the fun and you f**** can't get any respect. 1. I'm getting lots of fun from PvP process here so you are simply wrong. I don't need a reason or honor or anything I'm just enjoying ganking, killing, podding etc etc. It's my fun and it's good for me. 2. Neither do I have a need for respect from strangers. The only respect I need is respect from my friends and corpmates. It's more than enough for me. I'm not PvPing to be respected by everybody, to "rule them all" or any crap like this. I dont need it. I just like to PvP and to win at PvP. That's it. Very simple. I don't need your respect, I need your killmail .** ------- "Crush these defectives who believe themselves equal to the task of attacking us." - Star Colonel Nicolai Malthus
WETRAIN Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.25 04:57:00 - [118] dude... it sounds better "We are RAT.s, Resistance is Futile" tbh RAT. pwn tho i have seen some Collective guys fight it out with us along the catch pipe. Props to each of you you got big cohones. As for HF and theyr litle babies NOS ... YOU ARE LUCKY THEY INVENTED THE F**king POSES MKAY ? . . My SIGGIE GOT pwndzord ... Soon Tm Yes ... I am back ... cant freaking quit ..
Spanjab	Posted - 2006.07.25 09:35:00 - [119] You are all wrong.... Resistance is Voltage divided by Current
Fortior STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.25 09:54:00 - [120] Originally by: Sky Hunter Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: Digiblast Log on traps is a must since there is this Huge Exploit called "Local Chat" and Eve univers map. But let's face it CCP and most of the carebears in eve are 2 afread to get rid of their local Exploit. How do you explain most successfull groups in eve dont use log in traps then? Tbh its a shame because I think Col and especially SE are an excellent bunch of players, but by condoning RAT exploits and even defending them on the forums you really end up looking as bad. And whos here a successufull group? You? Us > You. Heh, I don't know about you, but I daresay ASCN has proved itself in most if not all areas of EVE. We are admittedly one of the best industrial entities and our pvp-division ain't so shabby either. But what do I know, I'm just a miner.

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