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Taz Devlin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:41:00 -
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We are The Collective
Huzzah Federation...
For your proposed assistance to Axiom Empire
Lower your shields and surrender your ships
We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own
Your culture will adapt to service us
You will be assimilated
Resistance is futile
We are The Collective
We are as one
Protection and Prosperity through assistance and assimilation
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Icarus100
The Collective
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:44:00 -
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Betrayal is futile.
Resistance is futile.
We are as one.
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Swethren
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:47:00 -
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Awesome post, good luck guys :)
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Crucifier
The Collective
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:51:00 -
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signed
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wierchas noobhunter
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:52:00 -
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Resistance is futile!
join col ! now |
Lucus Ranger
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:54:00 -
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/signed...
Resistance is Futile
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Caladai
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:55:00 -
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We are The Collective We are as one Protection and Prosperity through assistance and assimilation. We will add your biological and technological distinctivenessto our own Your culture will adapt to service us You will be assimilated Resistance is futile
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LeMoose
The Collective
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:56:00 -
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ok lets keep it clean and smackfree ;)
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Trom Zatagnia
Ars Caelestis
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2006.07.21 00:04:00 -
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Interesting timing. And all this for thinking/offering to help AXE? That's a big grudge.
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Zrevak Ashek
The Blackwater Brigade
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2006.07.21 00:06:00 -
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With your allies in SE and RAT attacking us, we knew it was only a matter of time before u where going to turn ure guns on us.
Yay for even more targets
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Hellraiza666
Regeneration
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.07.21 00:11:00 -
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warpag0n
Interstellar eXodus
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Posted - 2006.07.21 00:16:00 -
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collective 4tw 
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Rhen
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 00:43:00 -
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I salute you (not sarcastic)The collective
you have your work cut out out for ya.
hope to see you soon.
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Brisi
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.07.21 00:45:00 -
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So I guess resistance is futile? Or are you sure it is? I mean, how can you know for sure that resistance is futile, untill you've faced said resistance? However, about 5 of you have already said that said resistance is futile, so you may have something to base it on? Otherwise you could hardly say that said resistance was futile before even attemping to make your enemy's (in this case Huzzard Federation's) resistance a matter of futility.
Be that as it may, I'm sure we'll see posts-a-plenty in the future, in which you will point out the futile resistance that your future enemies will be forced to accept.
Out of all this I can come up with only one intelligent reply, which I will now utter in all my posts as prove that resistance is not only not futile, it is much more.
I am Brisi, I am as One. Resistance is fertile.
I am Brisi, I am as One. Resistance is fertile.
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LeMoose
The Collective
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Posted - 2006.07.21 00:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Brisi
So I guess resistance is futile? Or are you sure it is? I mean, how can you know for sure that resistance is futile, untill you've faced said resistance? However, about 5 of you have already said that said resistance is futile, so you may have something to base it on? Otherwise you could hardly say that said resistance was futile before even attemping to make your enemy's (in this case Huzzard Federation's) resistance a matter of futility.
Be that as it may, I'm sure we'll see posts-a-plenty in the future, in which you will point out the futile resistance that your future enemies will be forced to accept.
Out of all this I can come up with only one intelligent reply, which I will now utter in all my posts as prove that resistance is not only not futile, it is much more.
I am Brisi, I am as One. Resistance is fertile.
it has been the slogan of The Collective for more than 3 years now 
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Cigney
Ars Caelestis
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2006.07.21 01:12:00 -
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Quote:
You will be assimilated
I don't get it... is this an application to join up?
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Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.07.21 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: Cigney
Quote:
You will be assimilated
I don't get it... is this an application to join up?
Taz find 1400 plus applications to his corp
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Bezelbub
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Posted - 2006.07.21 01:17:00 -
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Collective 4TW!!!! This is gonna be great. Happy unsafe flyin to ya huzzah.
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laotse
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Posted - 2006.07.21 01:23:00 -
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gaaaaaaap owww collective post so nothing to worry about
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monoRAIL
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.07.21 01:46:00 -
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OMG the Borg from Star Trek totally ripped off your style Collective.
I'd sue.
Anyway, good to see more people shooting Huzzah. Even if they are Trekkies.
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Red Six
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.21 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Brisi
So I guess resistance is futile? Or are you sure it is? I mean, how can you know for sure that resistance is futile, untill you've faced said resistance? However, about 5 of you have already said that said resistance is futile, so you may have something to base it on? Otherwise you could hardly say that said resistance was futile before even attemping to make your enemy's (in this case Huzzard Federation's) resistance a matter of futility.
Be that as it may, I'm sure we'll see posts-a-plenty in the future, in which you will point out the futile resistance that your future enemies will be forced to accept.
Out of all this I can come up with only one intelligent reply, which I will now utter in all my posts as prove that resistance is not only not futile, it is much more.
I am Brisi, I am as One. Resistance is fertile.
Excellent poster, would buy from again!
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Delthus
Species 5618
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.21 02:32:00 -
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Collective :o lets keep it like the trekkies and have u guys lose to us :-p (no flamin intented just a light hearted joke)
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Killer S
The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2006.07.21 02:45:00 -
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I guess, Collective is an alt corp of RAT. ,right?
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UAxDEATH
The xDEATHx Squadron
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Posted - 2006.07.21 03:00:00 -
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GL guys, u r ROCK!!
I used to fight with u long time ago...it was pleasure to fight with one of the best.
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LeMoose
The Collective
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Posted - 2006.07.21 03:01:00 -
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Originally by: Killer S
I guess, Collective is an alt corp of RAT. ,right?
fyi col is older than rat
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Imode
Band of Builders Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.07.21 03:18:00 -
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God, I love the South.
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HatePeace LoveWar
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.21 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: LeMoose
Originally by: Killer S
I guess, Collective is an alt corp of RAT. ,right?
fyi col is older than rat
but without Aren Seyn just not wubbable :(
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 04:41:00 -
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Originally by: Imode
God, I love the South.
North > South fun wise :P
"What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"
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Exus
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 07:52:00 -
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btw, The Coll shoots at ASCN and fight along with AXE ? hell
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Backdoor Bandit
Minmatar Gay Rights League
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Posted - 2006.07.21 07:54:00 -
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Wheeeee, Go Collective!
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ArcticFox
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.07.21 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: Exus
btw, The Coll shoots at ASCN and fight along with AXE ? hell
Considering they're attacking Huzzah because Huzzah 'proposed' to assist us (AXE), no.
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Stamm
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.21 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: Backdoor Bandit
Wheeeee, Go Collective!
You're just saying that because you want assimilated.
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galll
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Posted - 2006.07.21 10:18:00 -
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first S.E gives catch to FIX. Then S.A and Hussah take it from FIX and S.A lets Hussah have it, At that time the Collective was part of S.A.
And now S.E and The Collective have come back and want the area for them selves and RAT.
Seems to mee the original owners are coming and want there property back.
Hussah you seem to have some fighting to do.
And the questin is what will S.A do.
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Manfred Sideous
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.07.21 10:24:00 -
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Dont worry Huzzah has there good friends SA and SMASH and the rest of CODA to help them. Or do they? Hmm Huzzah are you being dogpiled? Man aint Karma a mofo = (
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Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.07.21 10:40:00 -
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Edited by: Hans Roaming on 21/07/2006 10:41:40
Originally by: galll
first S.E gives catch to FIX. Then S.A and Hussah take it from FIX and S.A lets Hussah have it, At that time the Collective was part of S.A.
And now S.E and The Collective have come back and want the area for them selves and RAT.
Seems to mee the original owners are coming and want there property back.
Hussah you seem to have some fighting to do.
And the questin is what will S.A do.
Huzzah was put in a hard place as Collective was one of the corps who put them there in catch and thus was considered a very close friend. So whilst happy to fight SE and RAT in the pipe whenever they saw them, especially as they are enemies of SA, Huzzah stayed away from the conflict in E3 because Collective was there.
When RAT and SE decide to drop large POS in Huzzah space then it forced the issue for Huzzah to get more involved although the alliance still didn't want to get involved in E3 because of Collective being there. As pointed out before they had been comrades in arms, but the alliance was faced with a difficult choice as ASCN and AXE were also fighting the same enemies and thus mutual support made sense. But as Collective have aligned themselves with the enemies of Huzzah and SA then a conflict between Huzzah and the corp was really just a matter of time. However now there is no reason not to commit fully with ASCN and AXE against all three if that is what Huzzah wishes to do so.
Am sure that SA are faced with a similar question as although the Collective is still blue and were also comrades in arms they are activly allied with their enemies in the region. This of course all makes EVE interesting and keeps it from going stale.
But lets say SE/RAT/Collective do drive Huzzah out, keeping those 3 stations is a lot harder than living in NPC stations and it's not like BOB + FIX and SE + RAT + Collective are friends to start with.
Anyway things have probably changed a bit since I was leading, but thought I'd give you my viewpoint.
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Backdoor Bandit
Minmatar Gay Rights League
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Posted - 2006.07.21 11:25:00 -
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That's pretty insightful, Hans and the kind of thing I would expect to hear from the Huzzah leader, maybe you could run for the job?
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror
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Posted - 2006.07.21 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Hans Roaming
Huzzah was put in a hard place as Collective was one of the corps who put them there in catch and thus was considered a very close friend. So whilst happy to fight SE and RAT in the pipe whenever they saw them, especially as they are enemies of SA, Huzzah stayed away from the conflict in E3 because Collective was there.
During e3-sdz siege your alliance offered help in attacking COL to ASCN\AXE multiply times. Now you are playing "innocent" card 
Originally by: Hans Roaming
But lets say SE/RAT/Collective do drive Huzzah out, keeping those 3 stations is a lot harder than living in NPC stations and it's not like BOB + FIX and SE + RAT + Collective are friends to start with.
Actually buying PvP for 1b (price of large pos) - good idea. I guess we`ll visit ASCN \ AXE after you, if they will be stupid enough to come in e3- again.
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Bonita Ramirez
Xenobytes
Stain Empire
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Posted - 2006.07.21 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Backdoor Bandit
That's pretty insightful, Hans and the kind of thing I would expect to hear from the Huzzah leader, maybe you could run for the job?
tbh Hans paid us (SE/RAT) before he left Huzzah to get contract for his new merc corp later  Very clever move: to save old friends and get some iskies for yourself
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Deja Thoris
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.07.21 12:06:00 -
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Go go metagaming squad...
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Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.07.21 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug
During e3-sdz siege your alliance offered help in attacking COL to ASCN\AXE multiply times. Now you are playing "innocent" card
If COL wasn't there in E3 Huzzah would have been. There is no innocent card being played here at all as we did want to assist ASCN & AXE against SE & RAT but shooting the people who had helped us get to catch in the first place and also fought alongside us vs FIX was distasteful and so Huzzah didn't go into E3.
Thus there was a sort of limited warfare with conflict in the pipe which of course changed on RAT and SE dropping large POS in Huzzah space and escalating the situation as described above. My last night was spent organising the attacks which put both the SE & RAT POS into reinforced.
Originally by: Evil Thug
Actually buying PvP for 1b (price of large pos) - good idea. I guess we`ll visit ASCN \ AXE after you, if they will be stupid enough to come in e3- again.
After you visit the MC?!?!?
Am sure ASCN and AXE have a lot of pilots working their way up to T2 ammo on their BS so might as well make the most of that advantage in the timeframe you have.
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Michelle Reed
Moonbeam Refining and Production
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Posted - 2006.07.21 12:11:00 -
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Geez, this came as a surprise
As other people have said, the fact that The Collective now enters the fight was bound to happen from the moment they allied themselves with RAT and SE. Huzzah did indeed avoid the fight in E3 due to the fact that Col was involved there and we had them as long-term friends that actually helped us become what we are today. That some less enlightened people in our alliance WANTED to go in there and fight RAT/SE (long-term enemies) are no surprise, as it's neither any surprise that The Collective/RAT/SE use this as their excuse. Seriously guys, you want in on the fun, nothing more. No need to wrap it up in nice gift wrapping just to make it look good....
This does indeed make our politics and ability to support our friends in ASCN/AXE alot easier though, and while I expect the fighting to be hard I'm also looking forward to it. So in the spirit of fair fighting and good fun, cya on the battlefields.
Michelle Reed
President, Huzzah Federation
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Ilany
BANK of HUZZAH FEDERATION
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2006.07.21 12:14:00 -
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Edited by: Ilany on 21/07/2006 12:16:47
Originally by: Evil Thug
Actually buying PvP for 1b (price of large pos) - good idea.
Good idea = staying logged in rather than logging in and out all the time.
As for mercs... well we were thinking about it, but the only group we've decided upon so far are the MGRL. B-B, you'll be coming in from the rear. I hope you have Triple-sheathed protection membranes - RAT get very upset if you poke them when they're not looking.
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror
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Posted - 2006.07.21 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Hans Roaming
After you visit the MC?!?!?
I meant HF.
Originally by: Hans Roaming
Am sure ASCN and AXE have a lot of pilots working their way up to T2 ammo on their BS so might as well make the most of that advantage in the timeframe you have.
Do you really beleive, that in 150 vs 50, with our fleet jumping in we won by using t2 guns only ? I guess you`ll need to learn from your new alliancem8s, that in war, sp of your toon means nothing. Its all about dedication, and tactic.
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror
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Posted - 2006.07.21 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ilany
Edited by: Ilany on 21/07/2006 12:16:47
Originally by: Evil Thug
Actually buying PvP for 1b (price of large pos) - good idea.
Good idea = staying logged in rather than logging in and out all the time.
Hint hint. Open your kb, check what killratio you have, and try to prove, that our tactic aren`t working. Until then - go cry somewhere else, k ?
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Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.07.21 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Hans Roaming
After you visit the MC?!?!?
I meant HF.
I know, was pulling your leg, heh heh.
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Hans Roaming
Am sure ASCN and AXE have a lot of pilots working their way up to T2 ammo on their BS so might as well make the most of that advantage in the timeframe you have.
Do you really beleive, that in 150 vs 50, with our fleet jumping in we won by using t2 guns only ? I guess you`ll need to learn from your new alliancem8s, that in war, sp of your toon means nothing. Its all about dedication, and tactic.
Ok so if that 150 had t2 ammo at that time as well the results would have been identical? Sure SP isn't everything but am suprised you're discounting the immunity from EW and T1 gun ranged fire that T2 ammo gives your fleets. Am sure that the tactics you used against ASCN did as much to put them at range to where this advantage would work to your favour. Against BoB when they attacked your capital ship yard system you faced an opponent where this advantage was not present and the results were different.
If your forces in the future engage 150 ASCN with 50 who are equipped with equivilent ships plus ammo and you get the same outcome at the end of the battle then I will happilly eat my words.
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Tao Han
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 12:36:00 -
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Edited by: Tao Han on 21/07/2006 12:36:11
wrong thread 
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Shifu
Xenobytes
Stain Empire
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Posted - 2006.07.21 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: Shifu on 21/07/2006 12:45:23
Originally by: Hans Roaming
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Ok so if that 150 had t2 ammo at that time as well the results would have been identical? Sure SP isn't everything but am suprised you're discounting the immunity from EW and T1 gun ranged fire that T2 ammo gives your fleets. Am sure that the tactics you used against ASCN did as much to put them at range to where this advantage would work to your favour. Against BoB when they attacked your capital ship yard system you faced an opponent where this advantage was not present and the results were different.
If your forces in the future engage 150 ASCN with 50 who are equipped with equivilent ships plus ammo and you get the same outcome at the end of the battle then I will happilly eat my words.
In fights with ascn we ALWAYS jumped to them, they never.. and it was when they stayed on the gate on THEIR own optimal range.
With BOB we fought from 40-60km.
So maybe you will stop speculations about things which you don't know and don't understand ;)
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.07.21 12:46:00 -
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Hans, repeat after me: "If I'm not being paid, I don't really care."
There, see? All better now.
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Bonita Ramirez
Xenobytes
Stain Empire
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Posted - 2006.07.21 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Hans Roaming
Ok so if that 150 had t2 ammo...
Quote:
If your forces in the future engage 150 ASCN...
Too many "IF" bro...
/me turns Hans head to her sig below and says "That sig was created after E3-SDZ events"
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror
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Posted - 2006.07.21 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Hans Roaming
Ok so if that 150 had t2 ammo at that time as well the results would have been identical?
No. But we`d play for win in that case, not for fun. Stabbed snipers, warping, picking 1 - 2 targets without speed, kill, retreat, repeat. Default tactic, perfectly used against us by [G] alliance 1.5 year ago. Very safe, and very usefull.
Originally by: Hans Roaming
Am sure that the tactics you used against ASCN did as much to put them at range to where this advantage would work to your favour. Against BoB when they attacked your capital ship yard system you faced an opponent where this advantage was not present and the results were different.
Look, i`m playing this game for fun. I don`t have "omg, its bob, we are all gonna die" syndrome. Sometimes its fun to experiment, yes, even with bob, even outnumbered 2 : 1
Originally by: Hans Roaming
If your forces in the future engage 150 ASCN with 50 who are equipped with equivilent ships plus ammo and you get the same outcome at the end of the battle then I will happilly eat my words.
Most possible result in conditions, that you gave to me, there will be loads of short skirmishes, with 1 - 0, 2 - 0 results.
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Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.07.21 13:02:00 -
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I was speculating so that is why I had a lot of if's in my post.
Anyway this has gone off topic from the original thread.
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Exus
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: ArcticFox
Originally by: Exus
btw, The Coll shoots at ASCN and fight along with AXE ? hell
Considering they're attacking Huzzah because Huzzah 'proposed' to assist us (AXE), no.
Im lost.
who's friend with ASCN, who's not ?
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God's Army
Interstellar eXodus
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Posted - 2006.07.21 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Delthus
Collective :o lets keep it like the trekkies and have u guys lose to us :-p (no flamin intented just a light hearted joke)
u need 1 beer with special cookie for this post.
and 1 isk to each ASCN mofo who come to 9rq without wcs 
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Rat Hunter
The Collective
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Posted - 2006.07.21 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Exus
Originally by: ArcticFox
Originally by: Exus
btw, The Coll shoots at ASCN and fight along with AXE ? hell
Considering they're attacking Huzzah because Huzzah 'proposed' to assist us (AXE), no.
Im lost.
who's friend with ASCN, who's not ?
Asking your Alliance leader or CEO would be a step in the right direction, don't you think?
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Exus
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Rat Hunter
Originally by: Exus
Originally by: ArcticFox
Originally by: Exus
btw, The Coll shoots at ASCN and fight along with AXE ? hell
Considering they're attacking Huzzah because Huzzah 'proposed' to assist us (AXE), no.
Im lost.
who's friend with ASCN, who's not ?
Asking your Alliance leader or CEO would be a step in the right direction, don't you think?
Just wanted to know WTF is happening. I can even have a look at the ASCN standings table.
Yesterday I saw blue AXE members, and Ive been killed by Crucifier while making some BMs. And now I read this thread. Do you see my point of view ?
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Posted - 2006.07.21 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: LeMoose
Originally by: Brisi
So I guess resistance is futile? Or are you sure it is? I mean, how can you know for sure that resistance is futile, untill you've faced said resistance? However, about 5 of you have already said that said resistance is futile, so you may have something to base it on? Otherwise you could hardly say that said resistance was futile before even attemping to make your enemy's (in this case Huzzard Federation's) resistance a matter of futility.
Be that as it may, I'm sure we'll see posts-a-plenty in the future, in which you will point out the futile resistance that your future enemies will be forced to accept.
Out of all this I can come up with only one intelligent reply, which I will now utter in all my posts as prove that resistance is not only not futile, it is much more.
I am Brisi, I am as One. Resistance is fertile.
it has been the slogan of The Collective for more than 3 years now
And a quote from Star Trek for a lot longer......!
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Buxaroo
The Blackwater Brigade
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2006.07.21 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug
that in war, sp of your toon means nothing. Its all about dedication, and tactic.
Well, this is one of the few things I agree with in this thread.
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Posted - 2006.07.21 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: LeMoose
ok lets keep it clean and smackfree ;)
The Collective? Smack Free?
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Sebastian Ix
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Posted - 2006.07.21 16:38:00 -
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Edited by: Sebastian Ix on 21/07/2006 16:38:02
Originally by: Evil Thug
Do you really beleive, that in 150 vs 50, with our fleet jumping in we won by using t2 guns only ? I guess you`ll need to learn from your new alliancem8s, that in war, sp of your toon means nothing. Its all about dedication, and tactic.
Hint: Tactics does not include lame lag generating crap. Maybe you'd see your killboard look slightly different if you *played* the game instead of exploiting it?
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Isonkon Serikain
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.21 16:41:00 -
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Hmmm.... Good timing.
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theforce
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Posted - 2006.07.21 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug
Hint hint.
Hint hint stop using loggin traps
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Oxypower
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Posted - 2006.07.21 16:57:00 -
[62]
collectawho?
funny funny post
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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.21 17:15:00 -
[63]
Good luck HF, I look forward to flying alongside you again soon, you can get the odd fun fight out there.
As this is a collective thread but most of the posts seem to come from SE/RAT its clear that your corps are pretty close, I was wondering if there was some "collective" (ahem) term that we could refer to you as, do you have a group or coalition name?
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Manfred Sideous
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.07.21 17:27:00 -
[64]
Yeah clearly Karma is a mofo
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:21:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Hans Roaming
Am sure ASCN and AXE have a lot of pilots working their way up to T2 ammo on their BS so might as well make the most of that advantage in the timeframe you have.
Do you really beleive, that in 150 vs 50, with our fleet jumping in we won by using t2 guns only ? I guess you`ll need to learn from your new alliancem8s, that in war, sp of your toon means nothing. Its all about dedication, and tactic.
Sorry but what fight are you refering? If its the one on e3 I recall it was ASCN that jumped on you (by mistake) and inside the bubbles while you where at range.
Also good job on your fight against bob, impressive performance...
- Gob
[IXC] Admiral Goberius |
Crucifier
The Collective
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:32:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Hans Roaming
Am sure ASCN and AXE have a lot of pilots working their way up to T2 ammo on their BS so might as well make the most of that advantage in the timeframe you have.
Do you really beleive, that in 150 vs 50, with our fleet jumping in we won by using t2 guns only ? I guess you`ll need to learn from your new alliancem8s, that in war, sp of your toon means nothing. Its all about dedication, and tactic.
Sorry but what fight are you refering? If its the one on e3 I recall it was ASCN that jumped on you (by mistake) and inside the bubbles while you where at range.
Also good job on your fight against bob, impressive performance...
Please stop flaming in this thread.
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Sebastian Ix
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Posted - 2006.07.21 21:31:00 -
[67]
Stop using the cheapest exploits possible in game and the flames will probably stop. Pretty simple. I'm sure even you can figure it out.
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Crucifier
The Collective
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Posted - 2006.07.21 21:54:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Sebastian Ix
Stop using the cheapest exploits possible in game and the flames will probably stop. Pretty simple. I'm sure even you can figure it out.
Care to explain what exploits we are using?
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Hellraiza666
Regeneration
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.07.21 23:04:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Crucifier
Originally by: Sebastian Ix
Stop using the cheapest exploits possible in game and the flames will probably stop. Pretty simple. I'm sure even you can figure it out.
Care to explain what exploits we are using?
i dunno if this is what she meant, but i think she was refering to the rumour of RAT using exploits to get into camped systems. Where you log off at certain point so your ship appears at a safe.
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Sky Hunter
Rage and Terror
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Posted - 2006.07.21 23:19:00 -
[70]
Prolly hes talkin about exploits that are called t2 guns and such....yeah pretty common ones. Tsk tsk tsk, never use those, they are very very bad
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Vehestian
Killson Corp
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2006.07.22 04:41:00 -
[71]
After not bothering to read all this banter, all I can say is, best luck to all parties, let the fireworks begin....and too bad our former trusted buds went the way of the red. I'll miss the gangs, was good flying with you when we did. :(
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Deja Thoris
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.07.22 05:10:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Crucifier
Originally by: Sebastian Ix
Stop using the cheapest exploits possible in game and the flames will probably stop. Pretty simple. I'm sure even you can figure it out.
Care to explain what exploits we are using?
Log in traps and jumping into camped systems as downtime hits. Hey, after DT lets sabotage our logins so we don't warp back to the place where we logged out.
They arent expolits simply because CCP don't have the tools to police them. Declaring it an exploit means CCP have to police it and they can't.
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Icarus100
The Collective
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Posted - 2006.07.22 14:10:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Crucifier
Originally by: Sebastian Ix
Stop using the cheapest exploits possible in game and the flames will probably stop. Pretty simple. I'm sure even you can figure it out.
Care to explain what exploits we are using?
Log in traps and jumping into camped systems as downtime hits. Hey, after DT lets sabotage our logins so we don't warp back to the place where we logged out.
They arent expolits simply because CCP don't have the tools to police them. Declaring it an exploit means CCP have to police it and they can't.
The Collective has never used that exploit, please get your facts straight and stop flaming our thread.
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.22 14:32:00 -
[74]
icarus read the quotes they refer to Evil Thug / RAT
- Gob
[IXC] Admiral Goberius |
JA RULER
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Posted - 2006.07.22 14:45:00 -
[75]
OH lol, what goes around comes around!! bye bye Huzzah, btw nice fights we once had :)
well until today when you all ss and logged off that is.
tut tut
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Zrevak Ashek
The Blackwater Brigade
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:03:00 -
[76]
Originally by: JA RULER
OH lol, what goes around comes around!! bye bye Huzzah, btw nice fights we once had :)
well until today when you all ss and logged off that is.
tut tut
Yeah! I bet These Fixies are laughing their heads off right now shouting "told u so, told u so!"
We're still friends of Interstellar Exodus, Pegasus Mining and Securities and Rampage Eternal. So u where never entirely correct. U never know what might happen next, so dont laugh too hard
Huzzah Federation
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Hellraiza666
Regeneration
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:14:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Icarus100
Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Crucifier
Originally by: Sebastian Ix
Stop using the cheapest exploits possible in game and the flames will probably stop. Pretty simple. I'm sure even you can figure it out.
Care to explain what exploits we are using?
Log in traps and jumping into camped systems as downtime hits. Hey, after DT lets sabotage our logins so we don't warp back to the place where we logged out.
They arent expolits simply because CCP don't have the tools to police them. Declaring it an exploit means CCP have to police it and they can't.
The Collective has never used that exploit, please get your facts straight and stop flaming our thread.
hes on about RAT not collective.
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Jim'ard Stone
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:46:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Taz Devlin
We are The Collective
Huzzah Federation...
For your proposed assistance to Axiom Empire
Lower your shields and surrender your ships
We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own
Your culture will adapt to service us
You will be assimilated
Resistance is futile
Uknow that cringe u get when someones being completly nerdy or embarressing, yup just got it.
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M1NeR
Rage and Terror
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Posted - 2006.07.22 17:44:00 -
[79]
Edited by: M1NeR on 22/07/2006 17:50:53
Originally by: Deja Thoris
Log in traps and jumping into camped systems as downtime hits. Hey, after DT lets sabotage our logins so we don't warp back to the place where we logged out.
They arent expolits simply because CCP don't have the tools to police them. Declaring it an exploit means CCP have to police it and they can't.
And may be if CCP doesn't state this as an exploit it simply isn't  ? May be it's just your imagination ? "What isnt prohibited is allowed" (c). "Both in love and war everything is good" (c). Have you ever heared of those provebs pal ? And it's war here m8 so everything is good as long as it works and isn't violating CCP rules. So stop those "loging traps blah blah blah" already.
Btw I really wonder why so many ppl consider login trap an invalid tactic. I mean in real world in many wars every army now and then used ambushes, paratroopers were rapidly deployed at enemy's rear positions, under the cover of night troops were deployed in a way so they can attack and defeat enemy by surprise. It's basics of real military warfare doh!
EVE Online offers much more warfare capabilities then any other MMOG, but unfortunately even they are pretty limited. You cant really 'hide' any of you forces. Even if you gather a fleet of covert ops and recons it still will be seen in local chat and eventually will be shining at map. The problem of 'local chat' deserves a whole separate topic for discussion so I won't go too far into it here.
So what I want to say is what's wrong with login trap then? It's the only way to use some kind of REAL SURPRISE ATTACK against your enemy. If CCP would have given us more warfare tools to use stealth ambushes and other 'sudden strike' tactics noone would be using those login traps at all. May be they will implement something like this in future may be not. But I do hope they will cause the factor of surprise is one of the major things in military tactics and loosing it in EVE cause of some weird 'local chat' and things like that is really awful.
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"Crush these defectives who believe themselves equal to the task of attacking us."
- Star Colonel Nicolai Malthus
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Sky Hunter
Rage and Terror
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Posted - 2006.07.22 21:09:00 -
[80]
oh god, this is just pathetic.
first of all, im sure that CCP monitors any combat that taking place. and they would surely warn anyone who would be commiting something considered exploit.
wich brings us to a simple point:
Us > Whiners.
nuff said.
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Xiao ZiYi
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Posted - 2006.07.24 02:51:00 -
[81]
Collective 4tw!!
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skelet0r
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Posted - 2006.07.24 04:50:00 -
[82]
Originally by: M1NeR
Edited by: M1NeR on 22/07/2006 17:57:43
Originally by: Deja Thoris
Log in traps and jumping into camped systems as downtime hits. Hey, after DT lets sabotage our logins so we don't warp back to the place where we logged out.
They arent expolits simply because CCP don't have the tools to police them. Declaring it an exploit means CCP have to police it and they can't.
And may be if CCP doesn't state this as an exploit it simply isn't ? May be it's just your imagination ? "What isnt prohibited is allowed" (c). "Both in love and war everything is good" (c). Have you ever heared of those provebs pal ? And it's war here m8 so everything is good as long as it works and isn't violating CCP rules. So stop those "loging traps blah blah blah" already.
Btw I really wonder why so many ppl consider login trap an invalid tactic. I mean in real world in many wars every army now and then used ambushes, paratroopers were rapidly deployed at enemy's rear positions, under the cover of night troops were deployed in a way so they can attack and defeat enemy by surprise. It's basics of real military warfare doh!
EVE Online offers much more warfare capabilities then any other MMOG, but unfortunately even they are pretty limited. You cant really 'hide' any of you forces. Even if you gather a fleet of covert ops and recons it still will be seen in local chat and eventually will be shining at map. The problem of 'local chat' deserves a whole separate topic for discussion so I won't go too far into it here.
So what I want to say is what's wrong with login trap then? It's the only way to use some kind of REAL SURPRISE ATTACK against your enemy. If CCP would have given us more warfare tools to use stealth ambushes and other 'sudden strike' tactics noone would be using those login traps at all. May be they will implement something like this in future may be not. But I do hope they will cause the factor of surprise is one of the major things in military tactics and loosing it in EVE cause of some weird 'local chat' and things like that is really awful.
P.S.: yyaaarr for TC !
oh yeah like that time during WW2, during D-Day when the germans were all chillin on the ocean, and all those allied guy suddenly logged in and suprised attacked them?
or durning WW1, when the british suprised attacked the germans by logging in all those tanks?
or like...during (insert battle here) when all those (insert soldiers here) were attacking (insert enemy here) and the like, all those enemy outta nowhere just showed up without warning, and all the intel the allies had was wrong because there was NO WAY for them to see that the enemy was completely invisable and couln't be seen no matter what they said?
member when that happend?
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Destroyer Draxx
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.24 05:37:00 -
[83]
With the amount of good PVPers in COL and the recent addition of Svet to their roster COL is an exploit. CCP pls nerf them ;P
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.24 07:52:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Icarus100
Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Crucifier
Originally by: Sebastian Ix
Stop using the cheapest exploits possible in game and the flames will probably stop. Pretty simple. I'm sure even you can figure it out.
Care to explain what exploits we are using?
Log in traps and jumping into camped systems as downtime hits. Hey, after DT lets sabotage our logins so we don't warp back to the place where we logged out.
They arent expolits simply because CCP don't have the tools to police them. Declaring it an exploit means CCP have to police it and they can't.
The Collective has never used that exploit, please get your facts straight and stop flaming our thread.
When you associate with scum, don't be surprised to be branded as scum yourself.
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Orga Azmaat
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.24 09:58:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Icarus100
Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Crucifier
Originally by: Sebastian Ix
Stop using the cheapest exploits possible in game and the flames will probably stop. Pretty simple. I'm sure even you can figure it out.
Care to explain what exploits we are using?
Log in traps and jumping into camped systems as downtime hits. Hey, after DT lets sabotage our logins so we don't warp back to the place where we logged out.
They arent expolits simply because CCP don't have the tools to police them. Declaring it an exploit means CCP have to police it and they can't.
The Collective has never used that exploit, please get your facts straight and stop flaming our thread.
When you associate with scum, don't be surprised to be branded as scum yourself.
wow! "Scum"??? that hurts.
Anyway i think COL/RAT/SE prefer ["Menace of the South"(c)Hans Roaming ] term.
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Krystian
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.24 10:38:00 -
[86]
I am Popeye of Borg. Prepare to be askimilgrated.
__________________________________________________
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Digiblast
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.24 11:08:00 -
[87]
Originally by: M1NeR
Edited by: M1NeR on 22/07/2006 17:57:43
Originally by: Deja Thoris
Log in traps and jumping into camped systems as downtime hits. Hey, after DT lets sabotage our logins so we don't warp back to the place where we logged out.
They arent expolits simply because CCP don't have the tools to police them. Declaring it an exploit means CCP have to police it and they can't.
And may be if CCP doesn't state this as an exploit it simply isn't ? May be it's just your imagination ? "What isnt prohibited is allowed" (c). "Both in love and war everything is good" (c). Have you ever heared of those provebs pal ? And it's war here m8 so everything is good as long as it works and isn't violating CCP rules. So stop those "loging traps blah blah blah" already.
Btw I really wonder why so many ppl consider login trap an invalid tactic. I mean in real world in many wars every army now and then used ambushes, paratroopers were rapidly deployed at enemy's rear positions, under the cover of night troops were deployed in a way so they can attack and defeat enemy by surprise. It's basics of real military warfare doh!
EVE Online offers much more warfare capabilities then any other MMOG, but unfortunately even they are pretty limited. You cant really 'hide' any of you forces. Even if you gather a fleet of covert ops and recons it still will be seen in local chat and eventually will be shining at map. The problem of 'local chat' deserves a whole separate topic for discussion so I won't go too far into it here.
So what I want to say is what's wrong with login trap then? It's the only way to use some kind of REAL SURPRISE ATTACK against your enemy. If CCP would have given us more warfare tools to use stealth ambushes and other 'sudden strike' tactics noone would be using those login traps at all. May be they will implement something like this in future may be not. But I do hope they will cause the factor of surprise is one of the major things in military tactics and loosing it in EVE cause of some weird 'local chat' and things like that is really awful.
P.S.: yyaaarr for TC !
Log on traps is a must since there is this Huge Exploit called "Local Chat" and Eve univers map.
But let's face it CCP and most of the carebears in if are 2 afread to get rid of their local Exploit.
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Crucifier
The Collective
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Posted - 2006.07.24 11:35:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Icarus100
Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Crucifier
Originally by: Sebastian Ix
Stop using the cheapest exploits possible in game and the flames will probably stop. Pretty simple. I'm sure even you can figure it out.
Care to explain what exploits we are using?
Log in traps and jumping into camped systems as downtime hits. Hey, after DT lets sabotage our logins so we don't warp back to the place where we logged out.
They arent expolits simply because CCP don't have the tools to police them. Declaring it an exploit means CCP have to police it and they can't.
The Collective has never used that exploit, please get your facts straight and stop flaming our thread.
When you associate with scum, don't be surprised to be branded as scum yourself.
Do you want to know how many ascn kills ive missed because they logged out?
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.24 12:13:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Crucifier
Do you want to know how many ascn kills ive missed because they logged out?
Do you think I care?
Do you have any idea how many times RAT (and SE to a lesser extent) logoff while chased by a superior force, use login traps etc. etc.
A standup fight I can appreciate, even if I lose badly.
But lame tactics ftl. And by associating yourself so closely with these guys, you've branded yourself as one of them in my book. You get zero sympathy from me.
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Jin'Roh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.24 12:43:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Guma
Originally by: M1NeR
Edited by: M1NeR on 22/07/2006 17:57:43
Originally by: Deja Thoris
*blupp*
There is a module called "Cloaking Device", i think you heard about that. If you make login traps it has nothing to do with the game. It's just carebearing and try to be cool getting nice kill ratio. With this opinion you show only that you play the game without the intend to have good fights. Without your enemy you can't have a fight, you can't have the fun and you f****** can't get any respect. Think about that and now flame on!
most regards
Guma
Amen
login traps are for the 35y old mastubatas
jin
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Crucifier
The Collective
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Posted - 2006.07.24 12:44:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Crucifier
Do you want to know how many ascn kills ive missed because they logged out?
Do you think I care?
Do you have any idea how many times RAT (and SE to a lesser extent) logoff while chased by a superior force, use login traps etc. etc.
A standup fight I can appreciate, even if I lose badly.
But lame tactics ftl. And by associating yourself so closely with these guys, you've branded yourself as one of them in my book. You get zero sympathy from me.
Im not supposed to flame here but man are you stupid. You are whining over something ascn use on daily basis themselves.
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.24 13:03:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Digiblast
Log on traps is a must since there is this Huge Exploit called "Local Chat" and Eve univers map.
But let's face it CCP and most of the carebears in eve are 2 afread to get rid of their local Exploit.
How do you explain most successfull groups in eve dont use log in traps then?
Tbh its a shame because I think Col and especially SE are an excellent bunch of players, but by condoning RAT exploits and even defending them on the forums you really end up looking as bad.
- Gob
[IXC] Admiral Goberius |
Evil Thug
Rage and Terror
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Posted - 2006.07.24 13:40:00 -
[93]
Edited by: Evil Thug on 24/07/2006 13:40:39
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Tbh its a shame because I think Col and especially SE are an excellent bunch of players, but by condoning RAT exploits and even defending them on the forums you really end up looking as bad.
You are so bitter because you lose to us so badly and your beloved leader began to cry : "omg, devz, they h4x, plz ban them". *sigh*.
Ofc we killed 90 of your battleships in 1 engagement because of login trap.
Stop wearing purple glasses (i.e. reading Cyvok blogs). Welcome to the real world.
Rage and Terror - making people quit EVE. |
Da Beast
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Posted - 2006.07.24 13:51:00 -
[94]
Love your sig Thug
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Zimi Vlasic
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2006.07.24 13:55:00 -
[95]
hahaha that sig is sweet
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Digiblast
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.24 14:07:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Originally by: Digiblast
Log on traps is a must since there is this Huge Exploit called "Local Chat" and Eve univers map.
But let's face it CCP and most of the carebears in eve are 2 afread to get rid of their local Exploit.
How do you explain most successfull groups in eve dont use log in traps then?
Tbh its a shame because I think Col and especially SE are an excellent bunch of players, but by condoning RAT exploits and even defending them on the forums you really end up looking as bad.
MAn you really need to get your fact's right...
I mean SE and Rat are one of the top successfull gourps in this game among many others.
And log out Traps Rock... It kinda gets ruined by the local chat but it's effective sometimes.
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CardboardSword42
Celtic Anarchy
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Posted - 2006.07.24 14:24:00 -
[97]
I'm not sure why people take it upon themselves to decide whether or not a log on trap is an exploit.
I'm Ex-Biomass, that makes me cool
But now I'm KOS and it's all about the manlove
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.24 14:48:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Evil Thug
Edited by: Evil Thug on 24/07/2006 13:40:39
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Tbh its a shame because I think Col and especially SE are an excellent bunch of players, but by condoning RAT exploits and even defending them on the forums you really end up looking as bad.
You are so bitter because you lose to us so badly and your beloved leader began to cry : "omg, devz, they h4x, plz ban them". *sigh*.
Ofc we killed 90 of your battleships in 1 engagement because of login trap.
Stop wearing purple glasses (i.e. reading Cyvok blogs). Welcome to the real world.
Well where to start, first I wasnt there when those 90 bses where lost so I dont know the details, but I know it wasnt all ascn bses, second that is the only real figth where you spanked us and I alredy gave you props for it back then (clean victory) but you keep bringing it up because you have nothing else.
Tbh after that fight I think you guys (RAT) brought a fleet into feyth just once, and you got spanked first in esoteria, then again in feyth while trying to run off.
The biggest damage you have inflicted to us was through the login on the freighters a while back, but then again its funny how the lag generated by the mass login ended up saving most of the freighters.
Anyway I am just saying its funny to see you talk big on forums ET, and then get spanked the rare times you fight other pvpers - I mean I dont wanna turn into another bob fanboi but what happened there? you said on forums you had prepared that POS specifically as honey trap then not only you had to use "creative" strategies just to get your guys into the system to defend it, but you also got brutally spanked nevertheless.
Dont know, maybe you should get down your tall horse? 
P.S.: nice sig btw :p
- Gob
[IXC] Admiral Goberius |
CardboardSword42
Celtic Anarchy
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Posted - 2006.07.24 15:01:00 -
[99]
RAT engaged BoB when they were outnumbered more than 2:1, just thought I'd point that out.
Also do you not consider LV, -V- and some of the other coalition members PvPers?
I'm Ex-Biomass, that makes me cool
But now I'm KOS and it's all about the manlove
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Galimiy Portret
Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.07.24 15:11:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Hans Roaming
Am sure ASCN and AXE have a lot of pilots working their way up to T2 ammo on their BS so might as well make the most of that advantage in the timeframe you have.
Do you really beleive, that in 150 vs 50, with our fleet jumping in we won by using t2 guns only ? I guess you`ll need to learn from your new alliancem8s, that in war, sp of your toon means nothing. Its all about dedication, and tactic.
Most of the fleet engagements with RAT were done with far inferior gear, like all t1 against t2. Yes, skill is prevalent, but it is not the deciding factor when only 10% of the opposing gang can actually reach you.
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror
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Posted - 2006.07.24 15:24:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Well where to start, first I wasnt there when those 90 bses where lost so I dont know the details, but I know it wasnt all ascn bses, second that is the only real figth where you spanked us and I alredy gave you props for it back then (clean victory) but you keep bringing it up because you have nothing else.
We also killed 4 of dreds. Its very funny, since you knew, that we are waiting for you. Also - you had 150+ of ascn\axe pilots, logged off in e3, according to your alliance forums.
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Tbh after that fight I think you guys (RAT) brought a fleet into feyth just once, and you got spanked first in esoteria, then again in feyth while trying to run off.
1 of your members made a fraps of that battle. Look @ comments in video section. We was outnumbered, lost few hacs, killed few cruisers and support. Then - we almost killed 1 of your carrier, with 5 hacs. Unfortunately your bandwagon arrived in time - carrier had 30% structure. Bid deal ? Ok, create topic every time we losing fleet engagement.
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
The biggest damage you have inflicted to us was through the login on the freighters a while back, but then again its funny how the lag generated by the mass login ended up saving most of the freighters.
Actually i thought that all ASCN members should sing the same song. I was wrong. Your members was screaming, that login traps = exploits because they are making people lag, now you are saying that lag saved your freighters from destruction. I tell you 1 thing, lag is constantly saving you. Back then, in e3, when we warped on your dreads first time - we were unable to break tank of chimaera. Yes, with 60 battleships and 10 carriers. Otherwise - you`d lost all your cap ships to us. Lets go back to freighters. You used exploit of game mechanics to prevent them from dying. Because everyone know, that if ship, without aggro timer logging off - he will disappear within 1 minute, even if you started to warp scramble him, when he is allready logged. Do you see rat\se\col complaing about it ? No. Thats life. Deal with it.
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Anyway I am just saying its funny to see you talk big on forums ET, and then get spanked the rare times you fight other pvpers - I mean I dont wanna turn into another bob fanboi but what happened there? you said on forums you had prepared that POS specifically as honey trap then not only you had to use "creative" strategies just to get your guys into the system to defend it, but you also got brutally spanked nevertheless.
I decided to play "all or nothing" game. We had a chance, but failed. Life is unfair
If you don`t remember - we lost 31 battleship (all our fleet ) when jumping into your camp in azn. Thats not big deal. At least we understand, that we are not so uber, as we thought. Cold shower - 4tw.
As for fighting another "pvp" alliances. You can check BoB killboard, i beleive that we still inflicted more damage to them, than they to us (4 : 1 ratio on HACs), despite that lost fight.
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Dont know, maybe you should get down your tall horse?
You had many opportunities to get me down from my tall horse. You failed, try better another time
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
P.S.: nice sig btw :p
Thanks
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DeathGrip
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.24 15:38:00 -
[102]
We have lost some battles, we have won some battles period. The damge that you have done to us is not very much if you look at it this way. Lets say you have done 20bil in damage between AXE and ASCN. I think that is about 5 days of running 10/10's between both alliances. So have you killed a few of our ships, YES. Have we killed a few of your ships YES. Has either of us actually felt any effect yet. Doubt it.
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Hellraiza666
Regeneration
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.07.24 15:40:00 -
[103]
Originally by: skelet0r
Originally by: M1NeR
Edited by: M1NeR on 22/07/2006 17:57:43
Originally by: Deja Thoris
Log in traps and jumping into camped systems as downtime hits. Hey, after DT lets sabotage our logins so we don't warp back to the place where we logged out.
They arent expolits simply because CCP don't have the tools to police them. Declaring it an exploit means CCP have to police it and they can't.
And may be if CCP doesn't state this as an exploit it simply isn't ? May be it's just your imagination ? "What isnt prohibited is allowed" (c). "Both in love and war everything is good" (c). Have you ever heared of those provebs pal ? And it's war here m8 so everything is good as long as it works and isn't violating CCP rules. So stop those "loging traps blah blah blah" already.
Btw I really wonder why so many ppl consider login trap an invalid tactic. I mean in real world in many wars every army now and then used ambushes, paratroopers were rapidly deployed at enemy's rear positions, under the cover of night troops were deployed in a way so they can attack and defeat enemy by surprise. It's basics of real military warfare doh!
EVE Online offers much more warfare capabilities then any other MMOG, but unfortunately even they are pretty limited. You cant really 'hide' any of you forces. Even if you gather a fleet of covert ops and recons it still will be seen in local chat and eventually will be shining at map. The problem of 'local chat' deserves a whole separate topic for discussion so I won't go too far into it here.
So what I want to say is what's wrong with login trap then? It's the only way to use some kind of REAL SURPRISE ATTACK against your enemy. If CCP would have given us more warfare tools to use stealth ambushes and other 'sudden strike' tactics noone would be using those login traps at all. May be they will implement something like this in future may be not. But I do hope they will cause the factor of surprise is one of the major things in military tactics and loosing it in EVE cause of some weird 'local chat' and things like that is really awful.
P.S.: yyaaarr for TC !
oh yeah like that time during WW2, during D-Day when the germans were all chillin on the ocean, and all those allied guy suddenly logged in and suprised attacked them?
or durning WW1, when the british suprised attacked the germans by logging in all those tanks?
or like...during (insert battle here) when all those (insert soldiers here) were attacking (insert enemy here) and the like, all those enemy outta nowhere just showed up without warning, and all the intel the allies had was wrong because there was NO WAY for them to see that the enemy was completely invisable and couln't be seen no matter what they said?
member when that happend?
cause i dont.
Best laugh so far today
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Metal Dude
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.24 15:58:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Evil Thug
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As for fighting another "pvp" alliances. You can check BoB killboard, i beleive that we still inflicted more damage to them, than they to us (4 : 1 ratio on HACs), despite that lost fight.
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Come on ET. 4:1 ratio on HACs is really nothing to brag about, considering you almost never fly them and BOB members prefer to fly them. Second, 21 HACs that you killed in the whole RATÆs existence while losing 5 is nothing to brag about. BoB kills that many in a day, not to mention double that in BS kills, so please give it a rest. If by using the ratio of 4:1 makes you sleep better at night, so be it, but itÆs still a very, very small number in comparisons of how many members BOB has vs. how many members RAT has. Inflicted more damage? That made me laugh. Cheers.
The truth will set you free
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Icarus100
The Collective
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Posted - 2006.07.24 16:09:00 -
[105]
Okay first of all, the log in "exploit" was fixed not ages ago, but EONS ago, so stop frepping crying about it.
Second, I fail to see how this thread is about ASCN/AXE/SWORD/What the hell not, do you?
Third, Oh my god.
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror
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Posted - 2006.07.24 16:39:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Metal Dude
Originally by: Evil Thug
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As for fighting another "pvp" alliances. You can check BoB killboard, i beleive that we still inflicted more damage to them, than they to us (4 : 1 ratio on HACs), despite that lost fight.
...
Come on ET. 4:1 ratio on HACs is really nothing to brag about, considering you almost never fly them and BOB members prefer to fly them. Second, 21 HACs that you killed in the whole RAT’s existence while losing 5 is nothing to brag about. BoB kills that many in a day, not to mention double that in BS kills, so please give it a rest. If by using the ratio of 4:1 makes you sleep better at night, so be it, but it’s still a very, very small number in comparisons of how many members BOB has vs. how many members RAT has. Inflicted more damage? That made me laugh. Cheers.
Oh, mr.Poison stepped in
Dude, may be someone taking you seriously - but thats not me. Advice - when smacking someone - try to be more flexible. Try to use your imagination. Hope that helps
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Metal Dude
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.24 16:46:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Metal Dude
Originally by: Evil Thug
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As for fighting another "pvp" alliances. You can check BoB killboard, i beleive that we still inflicted more damage to them, than they to us (4 : 1 ratio on HACs), despite that lost fight.
...
Come on ET. 4:1 ratio on HACs is really nothing to brag about, considering you almost never fly them and BOB members prefer to fly them. Second, 21 HACs that you killed in the whole RATÆs existence while losing 5 is nothing to brag about. BoB kills that many in a day, not to mention double that in BS kills, so please give it a rest. If by using the ratio of 4:1 makes you sleep better at night, so be it, but itÆs still a very, very small number in comparisons of how many members BOB has vs. how many members RAT has. Inflicted more damage? That made me laugh. Cheers.
Oh, mr.Poison stepped in
Dude, may be someone taking you seriously - but thats not me. Advice - when smacking someone - try to be more flexible. Try to use your imagination. Hope that helps
No advise needed ET. IÆm not smacking you, just pointing out how you use the 4:1 ratio as some big accomplishment, when itÆs really not when you look at the facts. Is a matter a fact, I considering your comment about dishing out more damage as smack, so take some of your own advise before lecturing others. K?
The truth will set you free
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Al Haquis
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.24 16:52:00 -
[108]
W00t
Thanks E.T.
I have a 12:1 ratio must mean im super uber.
Thanks for that compliment
But RAT and RED play to Win and i can respect that.
The Collective still have miles to go
With love From Al Haquis
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Council Member, Tahiri Warrior
Masuat'aa Forums
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Eric carr
Crisis Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.07.24 16:53:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Eric carr on 24/07/2006 16:54:31
CAN YOU FEEL THE LOVE TONITE!! *sings*.
Why does it always become a smackfest when ET is on the forum, samething as LV/-V- vs RA/RA(T)...
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Chrony
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.24 19:11:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Chrony on 24/07/2006 19:14:07
Edited by: Chrony on 24/07/2006 19:12:30
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Anyway I am just saying its funny to see you talk big on forums ET, and then get spanked the rare times you fight other pvpers - I mean I dont wanna turn into another bob fanboi but what happened there? you said on forums you had prepared that POS specifically as honey trap then not only you had to use "creative" strategies just to get your guys into the system to defend it, but you also got brutally spanked nevertheless.
I decided to play "all or nothing" game. We had a chance, but failed. Life is unfair
If you don`t remember - we lost 31 battleship (all our fleet ) when jumping into your camp in azn. Thats not big deal. At least we understand, that we are not so uber, as we thought. Cold shower - 4tw.
As for fighting another "pvp" alliances. You can check BoB killboard, i beleive that we still inflicted more damage to them, than they to us (4 : 1 ratio on HACs), despite that lost fight.
Better Kill-Loss ratio on HACs? That's no big deal. Almost every Alliance we have ever faught has a better kill ration on HACs against us, but thats because we actually use them in fights.
We have the BPOs, we have the resources to build them and instead of selling them to get rich like everyone else we supply our members with them.
Edit: Spelling
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Sky Hunter
Rage and Terror
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Posted - 2006.07.24 20:15:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Originally by: Digiblast
Log on traps is a must since there is this Huge Exploit called "Local Chat" and Eve univers map.
But let's face it CCP and most of the carebears in eve are 2 afread to get rid of their local Exploit.
How do you explain most successfull groups in eve dont use log in traps then?
Tbh its a shame because I think Col and especially SE are an excellent bunch of players, but by condoning RAT exploits and even defending them on the forums you really end up looking as bad.
And whos here a successufull group? You?
p.s. Point still not proven, means:
Us > You.
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Masta Killa
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.07.24 20:15:00 -
[112]
A) Conveniently logging in at a good moment (a.k.a "OMG LOGINTRAPS") isn't an exploit as far as I know.
B) I've lost dozens of ascn kills because they logged out right there and then to avoid death.
C) I'd also like to mention that the same thing goes for Fix, Bob (especially Bob), Axe, Ushra khan, D2 and even more alliances that I can't even remember the names of.
D) COL pwns, hands down.
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Chrony
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.24 21:00:00 -
[113]
Edited by: Chrony on 24/07/2006 21:05:52
Originally by: Masta Killa
C) I'd also like to mention that the same thing goes for Fix, Bob (especially Bob), Axe, Ushra khan, D2 and even more alliances that I can't even remember the names of.
Why dont you give us a few names of those BoB pilots that logged out? I'd sure be interested to hear them.
Saying stuff like that is the as me saying "Oh Masta Killa i've seen you mining Veldspar in Yulai last week." Just because i can say it doesnt make it true!
I've been a Member of BoB for over 1 + Years now and I've NEVER been part of a log in trap and i dont think any of us would react very pleasant if their FC told them to pull a log in trap on someone.
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Masta Killa
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.07.24 21:18:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Chrony
Why dont you give us a few names of those BoB pilots that logged out? I'd sure be interested to hear them.
Saying stuff like that is the as me saying "Oh Masta Killa i've seen you mining Veldspar in Yulai last week." Just because i can say it doesnt make it true!
I've been a Member of BoB for over 1 + Years now and I've NEVER been part of a log in trap and i dont think any of us would react very pleasant if their FC told them to pull a log in trap on someone.
I didn't mention a login trap in regards to Bob. I've never seen you pull one, but then again I'm not dumb enough to die to one anyway.
But the logging out bit was in a few 3-4 day trips in my vaga to delve and fountain that took place when SA and FIX were still at war and Bob hadn't interfered yet.
Most of the Bob npcers I found in belts did log out in the belts, but I'm not trying to pull any "omg name and shame", I'm just pleasantly pointing out that you're no better (even worse actually) than other alliances, when it comes to lameness.
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Whoturned Outthelights
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Posted - 2006.07.24 21:27:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Masta Killa
Originally by: Chrony
Why dont you give us a few names of those BoB pilots that logged out? I'd sure be interested to hear them.
Saying stuff like that is the as me saying "Oh Masta Killa i've seen you mining Veldspar in Yulai last week." Just because i can say it doesnt make it true!
I've been a Member of BoB for over 1 + Years now and I've NEVER been part of a log in trap and i dont think any of us would react very pleasant if their FC told them to pull a log in trap on someone.
I didn't mention a login trap in regards to Bob. I've never seen you pull one, but then again I'm not dumb enough to die to one anyway.
But the logging out bit was in a few 3-4 day trips in my vaga to delve and fountain that took place when SA and FIX were still at war and Bob hadn't interfered yet.
Most of the Bob npcers I found in belts did log out in the belts, but I'm not trying to pull any "omg name and shame", I'm just pleasantly pointing out that you're no better (even worse actually) than other alliances, when it comes to lameness.
And ganking npcers in a stabbabond is not lame because....
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Crucifier
The Collective
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Posted - 2006.07.24 22:31:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Whoturned Outthelights
Originally by: Masta Killa
Originally by: Chrony
Why dont you give us a few names of those BoB pilots that logged out? I'd sure be interested to hear them.
Saying stuff like that is the as me saying "Oh Masta Killa i've seen you mining Veldspar in Yulai last week." Just because i can say it doesnt make it true!
I've been a Member of BoB for over 1 + Years now and I've NEVER been part of a log in trap and i dont think any of us would react very pleasant if their FC told them to pull a log in trap on someone.
I didn't mention a login trap in regards to Bob. I've never seen you pull one, but then again I'm not dumb enough to die to one anyway.
But the logging out bit was in a few 3-4 day trips in my vaga to delve and fountain that took place when SA and FIX were still at war and Bob hadn't interfered yet.
Most of the Bob npcers I found in belts did log out in the belts, but I'm not trying to pull any "omg name and shame", I'm just pleasantly pointing out that you're no better (even worse actually) than other alliances, when it comes to lameness.
And ganking npcers in a stabbabond is not lame because....
lol
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M1NeR
Rage and Terror
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Posted - 2006.07.25 01:12:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Guma
With this opinion you show only that you play the game without the intend to have good fights.
LOL why? I'm always having good fights. Good fight = my victory, bad fight = my loss. Pretty simple, isnt it ?
Originally by: Guma
you can't have the fun and you f****** can't get any respect.
1. I'm getting lots of fun from PvP process here so you are simply wrong. I don't need a reason or honor or anything I'm just enjoying ganking, killing, podding etc etc. It's my fun and it's good for me.
2. Neither do I have a need for respect from strangers. The only respect I need is respect from my friends and corpmates. It's more than enough for me. I'm not PvPing to be respected by everybody, to "rule them all" or any crap like this. I dont need it. I just like to PvP and to win at PvP. That's it. Very simple. I don't need your respect, I need your killmail .
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"Crush these defectives who believe themselves equal to the task of attacking us."
- Star Colonel Nicolai Malthus
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WETRAIN
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.25 04:57:00 -
[118]
dude... it sounds better "We are RAT.s, Resistance is Futile" tbh RAT. pwn tho i have seen some Collective guys fight it out with us along the catch pipe. Props to each of you you got big cohones.
As for HF and theyr litle babies NOS ... YOU ARE LUCKY THEY INVENTED THE F**king POSES MKAY ?
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My SIGGIE GOT pwndzord ... Soon Tm
Yes ... I am back ... cant freaking quit ..
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Spanjab
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Posted - 2006.07.25 09:35:00 -
[119]
You are all wrong....
Resistance is Voltage divided by Current
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Fortior
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.25 09:54:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Sky Hunter
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Originally by: Digiblast
Log on traps is a must since there is this Huge Exploit called "Local Chat" and Eve univers map.
But let's face it CCP and most of the carebears in eve are 2 afread to get rid of their local Exploit.
How do you explain most successfull groups in eve dont use log in traps then?
Tbh its a shame because I think Col and especially SE are an excellent bunch of players, but by condoning RAT exploits and even defending them on the forums you really end up looking as bad.
And whos here a successufull group? You?
Us > You.
Heh, I don't know about you, but I daresay ASCN has proved itself in most if not all areas of EVE. We are admittedly one of the best industrial entities and our pvp-division ain't so shabby either. But what do I know, I'm just a miner.
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EL Scorpio
The Collective
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Posted - 2006.07.25 14:24:00 -
[121]
Originally by: DeathGrip
We have lost some battles, we have won some battles period. The damge that you have done to us is not very much if you look at it this way. Lets say you have done 20bil in damage between AXE and ASCN. I think that is about 5 days of running 10/10's between both alliances. So have you killed a few of our ships, YES. Have we killed a few of your ships YES. Has either of us actually felt any effect yet. Doubt it.
die
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Sky Hunter
Rage and Terror
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Posted - 2006.07.25 20:54:00 -
[122]
Edited by: Sky Hunter on 25/07/2006 20:54:46
Originally by: Fortior
Originally by: Sky Hunter
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Originally by: Digiblast
Log on traps is a must since there is this Huge Exploit called "Local Chat" and Eve univers map.
But let's face it CCP and most of the carebears in eve are 2 afread to get rid of their local Exploit.
How do you explain most successfull groups in eve dont use log in traps then?
Tbh its a shame because I think Col and especially SE are an excellent bunch of players, but by condoning RAT exploits and even defending them on the forums you really end up looking as bad.
And whos here a successufull group? You?
Us > You.
Heh, I don't know about you, but I daresay ASCN has proved itself in most if not all areas of EVE. We are admittedly one of the best industrial entities and our pvp-division ain't so shabby either. But what do I know, I'm just a miner.
wait a min, you meant PvP group right?. We arent not discussing miners here. Real industry forcused people are worth respect btw. But again, we are talkin about pvp here.
edit: typo
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Soros
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Posted - 2006.08.02 17:08:00 -
[123]
Cloakie Cloakie YArrr...
V. nice postage
<p>
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Crucifier
The Collective
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Posted - 2006.08.03 02:16:00 -
[124]
Edited by: Crucifier on 03/08/2006 02:16:03
Originally by: Soros
Cloakie Cloakie YArrr...
V. nice postage
OMG NECRO!
HI!
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Muad'dib
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.08.03 11:06:00 -
[125]
Edited by: Muad''dib on 03/08/2006 11:06:38
Exploits, login traps, cheating...a lot of these thrown around here !!
1. If you don't know The Collective
- You haven't played the game long enough.
2. Accuse your killer of exploiting (RAT/SE/COL)
- "Your" way of explaining why you got pwned
3. Saying that I Muad'dib am beloved by all
- RIGHT ON THE MONEY
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WETRAIN
Minmatar
Phantom Squad
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Posted - 2006.08.03 11:24:00 -
[126]
Your alliance name ROCKS!!!
O RLY!????????
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When the People are Ready the Master will come.
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Trakh Shardan
Caldari
Rampage Eternal
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Posted - 2006.08.03 14:03:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Muad'dib
Edited by: Muad''dib on 03/08/2006 11:06:38
Exploits, login traps, cheating...a lot of these thrown around here !!
1. If you don't know The Collective
- You haven't played the game long enough.
2. Accuse your killer of exploiting (RAT/SE/COL)
- "Your" way of explaining why you got pwned
3. Saying that I Muad'dib am beloved by all
- RIGHT ON THE MONEY
1. who are you?
2. you never killed me befor
3. you suck all things that go boob
Oh you I rock more then any COL member they are all just whana be trakhsters
someday they can be a trakhster someday.....
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Lucus Ranger
Gallente
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.08.03 15:01:00 -
[128]
Lub you too Trakh...
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Gibri
Gallente
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.08.03 16:20:00 -
[129]
When pardux returns everyone will die!
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Bared Bel'Medar
Omega Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.04 02:19:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Brisi
So I guess resistance is futile? Or are you sure it is? I mean, how can you know for sure that resistance is futile, untill you've faced said resistance? However, about 5 of you have already said that said resistance is futile, so you may have something to base it on? Otherwise you could hardly say that said resistance was futile before even attemping to make your enemy's (in this case Huzzard Federation's) resistance a matter of futility.
Be that as it may, I'm sure we'll see posts-a-plenty in the future, in which you will point out the futile resistance that your future enemies will be forced to accept.
Out of all this I can come up with only one intelligent reply, which I will now utter in all my posts as prove that resistance is not only not futile, it is much more.
I am Brisi, I am as One. Resistance is fertile.
Actually, its based on very simple math: Huzzah is less than or equal to one Ohm. Therefore, resitance is futile. to beat the collective, you need at least 2 ohm. My advice, get more ohms.
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BobGhengisKhan
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:07:00 -
[131]
Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 04/08/2006 17:09:06
Collective guys- Does Harry Ramo still play? Craziest mother****** I ever played with, always enjoyed it
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Taz Devlin
Minmatar
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.08.04 18:00:00 -
[132]
Originally by: BobGhengisKhan
Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 04/08/2006 17:09:06
Collective guys- Does Harry Ramo still play? Craziest mother****** I ever played with, always enjoyed it
It just wouldn't be the same without the crazy bastard, so we tied him up at the comp, handled his divorce for him and started an IV.
He ain't ever quiting COL
We are The Collective
We are as one
Protection and Prosperity through assistance and assimilation
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Crucifier
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.08.04 18:38:00 -
[133]
Originally by: BobGhengisKhan
Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 04/08/2006 17:09:06
Collective guys- Does Harry Ramo still play? Craziest mother****** I ever played with, always enjoyed it
Crazy as ever, and still cant type
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Digiblast
Minmatar
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.08.05 10:20:00 -
[134]
Trakh Shardan you noob.
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Fanjita
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Posted - 2006.08.05 15:03:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Icarus100
Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Crucifier
Originally by: Sebastian Ix
Stop using the cheapest exploits possible in game and the flames will probably stop. Pretty simple. I'm sure even you can figure it out.
Care to explain what exploits we are using?
Log in traps and jumping into camped systems as downtime hits. Hey, after DT lets sabotage our logins so we don't warp back to the place where we logged out.
They arent expolits simply because CCP don't have the tools to police them. Declaring it an exploit means CCP have to police it and they can't.
The Collective has never used that exploit, please get your facts straight and stop flaming our thread.
Lol you use them ALL the time
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Taz Devlin
Minmatar
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.08.05 16:17:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Fanjita
Originally by: Icarus100
Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Crucifier
Originally by: Sebastian Ix
Stop using the cheapest exploits possible in game and the flames will probably stop. Pretty simple. I'm sure even you can figure it out.
Care to explain what exploits we are using?
Log in traps and jumping into camped systems as downtime hits. Hey, after DT lets sabotage our logins so we don't warp back to the place where we logged out.
They arent expolits simply because CCP don't have the tools to police them. Declaring it an exploit means CCP have to police it and they can't.
The Collective has never used that exploit, please get your facts straight and stop flaming our thread.
Lol you use them ALL the time
Bring proof or bring guns, while your at it, bring balls. Doubt you got any of the above tbh.
We are The Collective
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