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theforce	Posted - 2006.07.21 16:46:00 - [61] Originally by: Evil Thug Hint hint. Hint hint stop using loggin traps
Oxypower	Posted - 2006.07.21 16:57:00 - [62] collectawho? funny funny post
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.21 17:15:00 - [63] Good luck HF, I look forward to flying alongside you again soon, you can get the odd fun fight out there. As this is a collective thread but most of the posts seem to come from SE/RAT its clear that your corps are pretty close, I was wondering if there was some "collective" (ahem) term that we could refer to you as, do you have a group or coalition name?
Manfred Sideous Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.07.21 17:27:00 - [64] Yeah clearly Karma is a mofo
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.21 20:21:00 - [65] Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: Hans Roaming Am sure ASCN and AXE have a lot of pilots working their way up to T2 ammo on their BS so might as well make the most of that advantage in the timeframe you have. Do you really beleive, that in 150 vs 50, with our fleet jumping in we won by using t2 guns only ? I guess you`ll need to learn from your new alliancem8s, that in war, sp of your toon means nothing. Its all about dedication, and tactic. Sorry but what fight are you refering? If its the one on e3 I recall it was ASCN that jumped on you (by mistake) and inside the bubbles while you where at range. Also good job on your fight against bob, impressive performance... - Gob [IXC] Admiral Goberius
Crucifier The Collective	Posted - 2006.07.21 20:32:00 - [66] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: Hans Roaming Am sure ASCN and AXE have a lot of pilots working their way up to T2 ammo on their BS so might as well make the most of that advantage in the timeframe you have. Do you really beleive, that in 150 vs 50, with our fleet jumping in we won by using t2 guns only ? I guess you`ll need to learn from your new alliancem8s, that in war, sp of your toon means nothing. Its all about dedication, and tactic. Sorry but what fight are you refering? If its the one on e3 I recall it was ASCN that jumped on you (by mistake) and inside the bubbles while you where at range. Also good job on your fight against bob, impressive performance... Please stop flaming in this thread.
Sebastian Ix	Posted - 2006.07.21 21:31:00 - [67] Stop using the cheapest exploits possible in game and the flames will probably stop. Pretty simple. I'm sure even you can figure it out.
Crucifier The Collective	Posted - 2006.07.21 21:54:00 - [68] Originally by: Sebastian Ix Stop using the cheapest exploits possible in game and the flames will probably stop. Pretty simple. I'm sure even you can figure it out. Care to explain what exploits we are using?
Hellraiza666 Regeneration Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.07.21 23:04:00 - [69] Originally by: Crucifier Originally by: Sebastian Ix Stop using the cheapest exploits possible in game and the flames will probably stop. Pretty simple. I'm sure even you can figure it out. Care to explain what exploits we are using? i dunno if this is what she meant, but i think she was refering to the rumour of RAT using exploits to get into camped systems. Where you log off at certain point so your ship appears at a safe.
Sky Hunter Rage and Terror	Posted - 2006.07.21 23:19:00 - [70] Prolly hes talkin about exploits that are called t2 guns and such....yeah pretty common ones. Tsk tsk tsk, never use those, they are very very bad -=-
Vehestian Killson Corp HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2006.07.22 04:41:00 - [71] After not bothering to read all this banter, all I can say is, best luck to all parties, let the fireworks begin....and too bad our former trusted buds went the way of the red. I'll miss the gangs, was good flying with you when we did. :(
Deja Thoris Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.07.22 05:10:00 - [72] Originally by: Crucifier Originally by: Sebastian Ix Stop using the cheapest exploits possible in game and the flames will probably stop. Pretty simple. I'm sure even you can figure it out. Care to explain what exploits we are using? Log in traps and jumping into camped systems as downtime hits. Hey, after DT lets sabotage our logins so we don't warp back to the place where we logged out. They arent expolits simply because CCP don't have the tools to police them. Declaring it an exploit means CCP have to police it and they can't.
Icarus100 The Collective	Posted - 2006.07.22 14:10:00 - [73] Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: Crucifier Originally by: Sebastian Ix Stop using the cheapest exploits possible in game and the flames will probably stop. Pretty simple. I'm sure even you can figure it out. Care to explain what exploits we are using? Log in traps and jumping into camped systems as downtime hits. Hey, after DT lets sabotage our logins so we don't warp back to the place where we logged out. They arent expolits simply because CCP don't have the tools to police them. Declaring it an exploit means CCP have to police it and they can't. The Collective has never used that exploit, please get your facts straight and stop flaming our thread.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.22 14:32:00 - [74] icarus read the quotes they refer to Evil Thug / RAT - Gob [IXC] Admiral Goberius
JA RULER	Posted - 2006.07.22 14:45:00 - [75] OH lol, what goes around comes around!! bye bye Huzzah, btw nice fights we once had :) well until today when you all ss and logged off that is. tut tut
Zrevak Ashek The Blackwater Brigade HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2006.07.22 16:03:00 - [76] Originally by: JA RULER OH lol, what goes around comes around!! bye bye Huzzah, btw nice fights we once had :) well until today when you all ss and logged off that is. tut tut Yeah! I bet These Fixies are laughing their heads off right now shouting "told u so, told u so!" We're still friends of Interstellar Exodus, Pegasus Mining and Securities and Rampage Eternal. So u where never entirely correct. U never know what might happen next, so dont laugh too hard Huzzah Federation
Hellraiza666 Regeneration Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.07.22 16:14:00 - [77] Originally by: Icarus100 Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: Crucifier Originally by: Sebastian Ix Stop using the cheapest exploits possible in game and the flames will probably stop. Pretty simple. I'm sure even you can figure it out. Care to explain what exploits we are using? Log in traps and jumping into camped systems as downtime hits. Hey, after DT lets sabotage our logins so we don't warp back to the place where we logged out. They arent expolits simply because CCP don't have the tools to police them. Declaring it an exploit means CCP have to police it and they can't. The Collective has never used that exploit, please get your facts straight and stop flaming our thread. hes on about RAT not collective.
Jim'ard Stone Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.22 16:46:00 - [78] Originally by: Taz Devlin We are The Collective Huzzah Federation... For your proposed assistance to Axiom Empire Lower your shields and surrender your ships We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own Your culture will adapt to service us You will be assimilated Resistance is futile Uknow that cringe u get when someones being completly nerdy or embarressing, yup just got it.
M1NeR Rage and Terror	Posted - 2006.07.22 17:44:00 - [79] Edited by: M1NeR on 22/07/2006 17:50:53 Originally by: Deja Thoris Log in traps and jumping into camped systems as downtime hits. Hey, after DT lets sabotage our logins so we don't warp back to the place where we logged out. They arent expolits simply because CCP don't have the tools to police them. Declaring it an exploit means CCP have to police it and they can't. And may be if CCP doesn't state this as an exploit it simply isn't ? May be it's just your imagination ? "What isnt prohibited is allowed" (c). "Both in love and war everything is good" (c). Have you ever heared of those provebs pal ? And it's war here m8 so everything is good as long as it works and isn't violating CCP rules. So stop those "loging traps blah blah blah" already. Btw I really wonder why so many ppl consider login trap an invalid tactic. I mean in real world in many wars every army now and then used ambushes, paratroopers were rapidly deployed at enemy's rear positions, under the cover of night troops were deployed in a way so they can attack and defeat enemy by surprise. It's basics of real military warfare doh! EVE Online offers much more warfare capabilities then any other MMOG, but unfortunately even they are pretty limited. You cant really 'hide' any of you forces. Even if you gather a fleet of covert ops and recons it still will be seen in local chat and eventually will be shining at map. The problem of 'local chat' deserves a whole separate topic for discussion so I won't go too far into it here. So what I want to say is what's wrong with login trap then? It's the only way to use some kind of REAL SURPRISE ATTACK against your enemy. If CCP would have given us more warfare tools to use stealth ambushes and other 'sudden strike' tactics noone would be using those login traps at all. May be they will implement something like this in future may be not. But I do hope they will cause the factor of surprise is one of the major things in military tactics and loosing it in EVE cause of some weird 'local chat' and things like that is really awful. ------- "Crush these defectives who believe themselves equal to the task of attacking us." - Star Colonel Nicolai Malthus
Sky Hunter Rage and Terror	Posted - 2006.07.22 21:09:00 - [80] oh god, this is just pathetic. first of all, im sure that CCP monitors any combat that taking place. and they would surely warn anyone who would be commiting something considered exploit. wich brings us to a simple point: Us > Whiners. nuff said. -=-
Xiao ZiYi	Posted - 2006.07.24 02:51:00 - [81] Collective 4tw!! \o/
skelet0r	Posted - 2006.07.24 04:50:00 - [82] Originally by: M1NeR Edited by: M1NeR on 22/07/2006 17:57:43 Originally by: Deja Thoris Log in traps and jumping into camped systems as downtime hits. Hey, after DT lets sabotage our logins so we don't warp back to the place where we logged out. They arent expolits simply because CCP don't have the tools to police them. Declaring it an exploit means CCP have to police it and they can't. And may be if CCP doesn't state this as an exploit it simply isn't ? May be it's just your imagination ? "What isnt prohibited is allowed" (c). "Both in love and war everything is good" (c). Have you ever heared of those provebs pal ? And it's war here m8 so everything is good as long as it works and isn't violating CCP rules. So stop those "loging traps blah blah blah" already. Btw I really wonder why so many ppl consider login trap an invalid tactic. I mean in real world in many wars every army now and then used ambushes, paratroopers were rapidly deployed at enemy's rear positions, under the cover of night troops were deployed in a way so they can attack and defeat enemy by surprise. It's basics of real military warfare doh! EVE Online offers much more warfare capabilities then any other MMOG, but unfortunately even they are pretty limited. You cant really 'hide' any of you forces. Even if you gather a fleet of covert ops and recons it still will be seen in local chat and eventually will be shining at map. The problem of 'local chat' deserves a whole separate topic for discussion so I won't go too far into it here. So what I want to say is what's wrong with login trap then? It's the only way to use some kind of REAL SURPRISE ATTACK against your enemy. If CCP would have given us more warfare tools to use stealth ambushes and other 'sudden strike' tactics noone would be using those login traps at all. May be they will implement something like this in future may be not. But I do hope they will cause the factor of surprise is one of the major things in military tactics and loosing it in EVE cause of some weird 'local chat' and things like that is really awful. P.S.: yyaaarr for TC ! oh yeah like that time during WW2, during D-Day when the germans were all chillin on the ocean, and all those allied guy suddenly logged in and suprised attacked them? or durning WW1, when the british suprised attacked the germans by logging in all those tanks? or like...during (insert battle here) when all those (insert soldiers here) were attacking (insert enemy here) and the like, all those enemy outta nowhere just showed up without warning, and all the intel the allies had was wrong because there was NO WAY for them to see that the enemy was completely invisable and couln't be seen no matter what they said? member when that happend? cause i dont.
Destroyer Draxx Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 05:37:00 - [83] With the amount of good PVPers in COL and the recent addition of Svet to their roster COL is an exploit. CCP pls nerf them ;P So Far So Good....So What
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.24 07:52:00 - [84] Originally by: Icarus100 Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: Crucifier Originally by: Sebastian Ix Stop using the cheapest exploits possible in game and the flames will probably stop. Pretty simple. I'm sure even you can figure it out. Care to explain what exploits we are using? Log in traps and jumping into camped systems as downtime hits. Hey, after DT lets sabotage our logins so we don't warp back to the place where we logged out. They arent expolits simply because CCP don't have the tools to police them. Declaring it an exploit means CCP have to police it and they can't. The Collective has never used that exploit, please get your facts straight and stop flaming our thread. When you associate with scum, don't be surprised to be branded as scum yourself.
Orga Azmaat Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.24 09:58:00 - [85] Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: Icarus100 Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: Crucifier Originally by: Sebastian Ix Stop using the cheapest exploits possible in game and the flames will probably stop. Pretty simple. I'm sure even you can figure it out. Care to explain what exploits we are using? Log in traps and jumping into camped systems as downtime hits. Hey, after DT lets sabotage our logins so we don't warp back to the place where we logged out. They arent expolits simply because CCP don't have the tools to police them. Declaring it an exploit means CCP have to police it and they can't. The Collective has never used that exploit, please get your facts straight and stop flaming our thread. When you associate with scum, don't be surprised to be branded as scum yourself. wow! "Scum"??? that hurts. Anyway i think COL/RAT/SE prefer ["Menace of the South"(c)Hans Roaming ] term.
Krystian Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 10:38:00 - [86] I am Popeye of Borg. Prepare to be askimilgrated. __________________________________________________
Digiblast Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.24 11:08:00 - [87] Originally by: M1NeR Edited by: M1NeR on 22/07/2006 17:57:43 Originally by: Deja Thoris Log in traps and jumping into camped systems as downtime hits. Hey, after DT lets sabotage our logins so we don't warp back to the place where we logged out. They arent expolits simply because CCP don't have the tools to police them. Declaring it an exploit means CCP have to police it and they can't. And may be if CCP doesn't state this as an exploit it simply isn't ? May be it's just your imagination ? "What isnt prohibited is allowed" (c). "Both in love and war everything is good" (c). Have you ever heared of those provebs pal ? And it's war here m8 so everything is good as long as it works and isn't violating CCP rules. So stop those "loging traps blah blah blah" already. Btw I really wonder why so many ppl consider login trap an invalid tactic. I mean in real world in many wars every army now and then used ambushes, paratroopers were rapidly deployed at enemy's rear positions, under the cover of night troops were deployed in a way so they can attack and defeat enemy by surprise. It's basics of real military warfare doh! EVE Online offers much more warfare capabilities then any other MMOG, but unfortunately even they are pretty limited. You cant really 'hide' any of you forces. Even if you gather a fleet of covert ops and recons it still will be seen in local chat and eventually will be shining at map. The problem of 'local chat' deserves a whole separate topic for discussion so I won't go too far into it here. So what I want to say is what's wrong with login trap then? It's the only way to use some kind of REAL SURPRISE ATTACK against your enemy. If CCP would have given us more warfare tools to use stealth ambushes and other 'sudden strike' tactics noone would be using those login traps at all. May be they will implement something like this in future may be not. But I do hope they will cause the factor of surprise is one of the major things in military tactics and loosing it in EVE cause of some weird 'local chat' and things like that is really awful. P.S.: yyaaarr for TC ! Log on traps is a must since there is this Huge Exploit called "Local Chat" and Eve univers map. But let's face it CCP and most of the carebears in if are 2 afread to get rid of their local Exploit.
Crucifier The Collective	Posted - 2006.07.24 11:35:00 - [88] Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: Icarus100 Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: Crucifier Originally by: Sebastian Ix Stop using the cheapest exploits possible in game and the flames will probably stop. Pretty simple. I'm sure even you can figure it out. Care to explain what exploits we are using? Log in traps and jumping into camped systems as downtime hits. Hey, after DT lets sabotage our logins so we don't warp back to the place where we logged out. They arent expolits simply because CCP don't have the tools to police them. Declaring it an exploit means CCP have to police it and they can't. The Collective has never used that exploit, please get your facts straight and stop flaming our thread. When you associate with scum, don't be surprised to be branded as scum yourself. Do you want to know how many ascn kills ive missed because they logged out?
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.24 12:13:00 - [89] Originally by: Crucifier Do you want to know how many ascn kills ive missed because they logged out? Do you think I care? Do you have any idea how many times RAT (and SE to a lesser extent) logoff while chased by a superior force, use login traps etc. etc. A standup fight I can appreciate, even if I lose badly. But lame tactics ftl. And by associating yourself so closely with these guys, you've branded yourself as one of them in my book. You get zero sympathy from me.
Jin'Roh Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.24 12:43:00 - [90] Originally by: Guma Originally by: M1NeR Edited by: M1NeR on 22/07/2006 17:57:43 Originally by: Deja Thoris blupp There is a module called "Cloaking Device", i think you heard about that. If you make login traps it has nothing to do with the game. It's just carebearing and try to be cool getting nice kill ratio. With this opinion you show only that you play the game without the intend to have good fights. Without your enemy you can't have a fight, you can't have the fun and you f****** can't get any respect. Think about that and now flame on! most regards Guma Amen login traps are for the 35y old mastubatas jin

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