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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.20 16:13:00 -
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CCP karkur bring exciting news about a new way to share your overview settings with the next release.
With Hyperion (to be released on August 26th) you will be able to share your overview settings in a very simple and convenient way with everyone. Simply drag the overview settings into chat (or mail, notepad etc.) to share these settings via a link. Clicking this link will load your overview settings and activates them in your overview. Never before was it that easy to share your overview settings with everyone!
Of course there is more than this, we will see also an overview history and an overview restore button. For all the details and more in-depth information, please read CCP karkur's latest dev blog Sharing is caring - Overview improvements with Hyperion. CCP Phantom - Senior Community Representative - Volunteer Manager |
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Lady Zarrina
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
151
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Posted - 2014.08.20 16:14:00 -
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First? damn it is hard to delete my signature |
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CCP karkur
C C P C C P Alliance
3593

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Posted - 2014.08.20 16:15:00 -
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only second :( CCP karkur | User Interface Programmer | Team Pirate Unicorns |-á@CCP karkur |
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Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
422
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Posted - 2014.08.20 16:16:00 -
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This looks awesome! Blue-Fire Best Fire |

Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1259
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Posted - 2014.08.20 16:18:00 -
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CCP Karkur best Karkur :)
This overview sharing feature is a blessing for my corp ! And what's even better is that it also shares colortabs and brackets colors, and even in-space bracket names for player ships... What's left to ask for??
Edit: Actually we could ask for a way for the "state" tab in the "Tab preset" tab in the overview settings window, to be able to display only if X present instead of excluding if X present. Signature Tanking - Best Tanking. Beware the french guy!
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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1259
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Posted - 2014.08.20 16:18:00 -
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Edit: Sorry, I don't know what happened, I was posting but my posts weren't displayed in the page I was sent back to, after hitting "post". Can someone remove this second message please?  Signature Tanking - Best Tanking. Beware the french guy!
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
4598

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Posted - 2014.08.20 16:22:00 -
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Altrue wrote:Edit: Sorry, I don't know what happened, I was posting but my posts weren't displayed in the page I was sent back to, after hitting "post". Can someone remove this second message please?  I think this feature is so awesome, that it cannot be praised enough 
CCP Phantom - Senior Community Representative - Volunteer Manager |
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Darkblad
Hilfe is like Free Entertainment
432
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Posted - 2014.08.20 16:32:00 -
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Love that so much GÖÑ
One question: Colortag/Background order isn't shared, but their (custom) color settings and active state are? EVE Infolinks -+-áOld and new-áPortraits |

Darkblad
Hilfe is like Free Entertainment
432
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Posted - 2014.08.20 16:38:00 -
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Altrue wrote:Edit: Sorry, I don't know what happened, I was posting but my posts weren't displayed in the page I was sent back to, after hitting "post". Can someone remove this second message please?  I can confirm that. Submitting a new post (or an edited one) doesn't get displayed - unless, it seems, I reload that page in a different browser tab.
EVE Infolinks -+-áOld and new-áPortraits |

Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices Masters of Flying Objects
767
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Posted - 2014.08.20 16:49:00 -
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Now that we can change the name of the overview template, the feature is complete. Great job If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide
See you around the universe. |
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Lyron-Baktos
The Scope Gallente Federation
461
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Posted - 2014.08.20 16:52:00 -
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So if we have 20 presets in our overview, it will only pull the 5 that are in use? How the **** do you remove a signature? |

Darkblad
Hilfe is like Free Entertainment
432
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Posted - 2014.08.20 16:54:00 -
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Lyron-Baktos wrote:So if we have 20 presets in our overview, it will only pull the 5 that are in use? Right, but you might "simply" create four shared settings. Each one of them has the same global settings, but different tab presets (profiles). EVE Infolinks -+-áOld and new-áPortraits |
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CCP karkur
C C P C C P Alliance
3595

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Posted - 2014.08.20 16:58:00 -
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Darkblad wrote:Lyron-Baktos wrote:So if we have 20 presets in our overview, it will only pull the 5 that are in use? Right, but you might "simply" create four shared settings. Each one of them has the same global settings, but different tab presets (profiles). correct CCP karkur | User Interface Programmer | Team Pirate Unicorns |-á@CCP karkur |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
2365

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Posted - 2014.08.20 17:04:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:only second  , let's pretend I was the first though! Show people you care by sharing! Also: questions, comments?
Question: Why don't you drink so I can buy you a beer Comment: The only thing better than this feature is the thought of a nice cold beer at the end of a long day of work. CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath |
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Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
2247
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Posted - 2014.08.20 17:07:00 -
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wait, this is like, the feature everybody wanted but nobody remembered to ask!
awesome, CCP! [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |

Arolix
Candidate Zero
1
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Posted - 2014.08.20 17:07:00 -
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As a side project for overview.
How about a decent overview setup for newbros by default? 5 tabs, colour coded names, appearance tab ordered properly, proper column selection. Either by making this the default overview, or a permanent saved overview.
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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1259
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Posted - 2014.08.20 17:10:00 -
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Darkblad wrote:Lyron-Baktos wrote:So if we have 20 presets in our overview, it will only pull the 5 that are in use? Right, but you might "simply" create four shared settings. Each one of them has the same global settings, but different tab presets (profiles).
Oh eeeh... I guess that works but its kind of suboptimal for those of us who use a "Various" tab that relies on loading different setups on the fly. Signature Tanking - Best Tanking. Beware the french guy!
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
914
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Posted - 2014.08.20 17:13:00 -
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finally no longer telling people how to set up over views, just link an go!
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Chillya
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2014.08.20 17:19:00 -
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This looks amazing. Can't wait to get my hands on it.
I have one question though: how hard would it be to make a drop down menu for d-scan, where you'd select the overview tab profile to be used instead of the current "use active overview settings"? Is it something you would consider doing?
The reason I personally would like this is because oftentimes things I want to see in the overview are different from the things I want to d-scan. |

Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society Affirmative.
343
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Posted - 2014.08.20 17:20:00 -
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Right now I can only see this beeing useful for new players. I myself would never want something to completely overwrite my settings. I assume it would also remove all existing presets (unless I undo it)?
Personally, I would prefer linking individual presets - clicking would add it to your list of presets. And maybe linking/sharing _just_ the global settings. |
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Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
615
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Posted - 2014.08.20 17:21:00 -
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Excellent job with this, I can't wait till we finally have the ability to tell large fleets 'Shoot a-z on this' easily. |

Darkblad
Hilfe is like Free Entertainment
432
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Posted - 2014.08.20 17:22:00 -
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Altrue wrote:Darkblad wrote:Lyron-Baktos wrote:So if we have 20 presets in our overview, it will only pull the 5 that are in use? Right, but you might "simply" create four shared settings. Each one of them has the same global settings, but different tab presets (profiles). Oh eeeh... I guess that works but its kind of suboptimal for those of us who use a "Various" tab that relies on loading different setups on the fly. Imported tab presets remain (you might end with hundreds of them over time), so you can also create settings afterwards, where the Various tab shows the desired tab preset. The proposed four settings are just for the transfer of the tab presets from one client to another when export/import is a too complicated option. EVE Infolinks -+-áOld and new-áPortraits |

Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
228
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Posted - 2014.08.20 17:25:00 -
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Is there any reason that the overview has to still be limited to 5 tabs?
Because more tabs would be an awesome cherry on top for this. |

Laendra
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
65
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Posted - 2014.08.20 17:26:00 -
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Omg, please stop with the YAML ****. It's the shittiest possible way to store data. |

Darkblad
Hilfe is like Free Entertainment
432
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Posted - 2014.08.20 17:51:00 -
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Darkblad wrote:One question: Colortag/Background order isn't shared, but their (custom) color settings and active state are? Looks like they do. At least that's what the yaml file with exported settings suggest. EVE Infolinks -+-áOld and new-áPortraits |

Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices Masters of Flying Objects
767
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Posted - 2014.08.20 18:06:00 -
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Arolix wrote:As a side project for overview.
How about a decent overview setup for newbros by default? 5 tabs, colour coded names, appearance tab ordered properly, proper column selection. Either by making this the default overview, or a permanent saved overview.
I have always liked the option off players getting a overview setting full or just the tab at the end or the beginning of each career agent arc. If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide
See you around the universe. |

Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
711
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Posted - 2014.08.20 18:22:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:CCP karkur wrote:only second  , let's pretend I was the first though! Show people you care by sharing! Also: questions, comments? Question: Why don't you drink so I can buy you a beer Comment: The only thing better than this feature is the thought of a nice cold beer at the end of a long day of work. end? |

Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
64
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Posted - 2014.08.20 18:25:00 -
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I spent 30 min setting my overview when i was in e-uni. It would take few click now sharing and giving and receving as Joe said Bacon tastes so much better when it's marinated in vegan tears.-á
I am the night. I'm Bantam. |

Wormerling
Yumping Amok Circle-Of-Two
225
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Posted - 2014.08.20 18:36:00 -
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Would be nice to be able to use custom (different from active) overview for directonal scan. |

Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
2854
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Posted - 2014.08.20 18:37:00 -
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I tried this in the last mass test and it looks good, except for one issue.
Consider: I load in player#1's settings and they are bad So I try player#2's settings, and they are also bad. Might as well restore my settings, so I hit "restore"....and get player#1's settings. No problem, I'll just use the history....but my original settings are not in the history! Only the settings Ive loaded in!
And now, I'm lost. I have to rebuild my overview from scratch, even though the new system was supposed to make that unnecessary.
Suggestion: If my history is empty, then my current overview settings are automatically saved there as the first entry. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4075
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Posted - 2014.08.20 18:43:00 -
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I for one have not read the devblog but am thoroughly outraged regardless! =][= |

Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
409
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Posted - 2014.08.20 18:48:00 -
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Awesome Stuff! Thank you everyone for making this possible. |
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CCP karkur
C C P C C P Alliance
3601

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Posted - 2014.08.20 19:37:00 -
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Darkblad wrote:Darkblad wrote:One question: Colortag/Background order isn't shared, but their (custom) color settings and active state are? Looks like they do. At least that's what the yaml file with exported settings suggest. order should also be shared... if not, that's just a bug. CCP karkur | User Interface Programmer | Team Pirate Unicorns |-á@CCP karkur |
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Vic Vorlon
Aideron Robotics
5
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Posted - 2014.08.20 19:48:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:I tried this in the last mass test and it looks good, except for one issue.
Consider: I load in player#1's settings and they are bad So I try player#2's settings, and they are also bad. Might as well restore my settings, so I hit "restore"....and get player#1's settings. No problem, I'll just use the history....but my original settings are not in the history! Only the settings Ive loaded in!
And now, I'm lost. I have to rebuild my overview from scratch, even though the new system was supposed to make that unnecessary.
Suggestion: If my history is empty, then my current overview settings are automatically saved there as the first entry.
This strikes me as a very bad oversight on CCP's part. They build the feature but don't consider actual, real-world usage as you've described. I 100% agree that the system should automatically save your current settings as your first profile.
A reply of "but you can just export them first!" doesn't help. The GUI should protect you against negative consequences of an action that you DIDN'T know, and weren't told, could HAVE negative consequences. It's a simple fix, in this case. Please CCP, implement this suggestion. |

Cheradenine Harper
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
12
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Posted - 2014.08.20 19:48:00 -
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Quote:Omg, please stop with the YAML ****. It's the shittiest possible way to store data.
No. XML is. Wordy, irritating, and a resource hog to process.
Any chance of getting a look at the YAML? Pretty please? http://diaries-of-a-space-noob.blogspot.co.uk |

Viyaja
New Republic The Initiative.
2
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Posted - 2014.08.20 19:52:00 -
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Is it possible to have a beter way to Manage your Overview Presets? ATM its quite crappy to set up Presets due to the bad saving mechanisem. It woud begrate to have a Dropdown menue with all the saved Overview Presets in the Overview Settings window |

Riela Tanal
Repercussus RAZOR Alliance
41
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Posted - 2014.08.20 19:55:00 -
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Is it possible to get an option to hide unpiloted ships from your overview/probe scan could help with WH posses if people leave a bunch of ships in their pos and causing issues with Dscan and probing. |

Maraner
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
294
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:12:00 -
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Nice change. |

Azarion Sinak
Crescent Fortress Industrialists
0
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:47:00 -
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Cheradenine Harper wrote:Quote:Omg, please stop with the YAML ****. It's the shittiest possible way to store data. No. XML is. Wordy, irritating, and a resource hog to process. Any chance of getting a look at the YAML? Pretty please?
Actually, no, Yaml is far worse. If you absolutely needed to get away form strict XML, then use XAML, at least its more of a standard than YAML is. |

Cheradenine Harper
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
12
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:56:00 -
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Politely not going to believe that. Certainly not for speed of processing. http://diaries-of-a-space-noob.blogspot.co.uk |
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Azarion Sinak
Crescent Fortress Industrialists
0
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:20:00 -
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Cheradenine Harper wrote:Politely not going to believe that. Certainly not for speed of processing.
Polite or not, your belief that XML is more process heavy is actually kind of silly. They are both text files that have to be parsed linearly. XAML is XML with hierarchy and structure, just like YAML, but without the ridiculous nomenclature.
Oh sure, the php kiddies like YAML, but seriously, it has no traction in the real world. |

0mni Ca
Hit Squad 420 Almost Awesome.
56
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:32:00 -
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AWESOME, and about time :) Will make it easier for new players to get into fleets and ensuring that they have the proper overview for friendly's as well as targets the FC's may want to prioritize. |

Justin Cody
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
253
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:41:00 -
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Azarion Sinak wrote:Cheradenine Harper wrote:Politely not going to believe that. Certainly not for speed of processing. Polite or not, your belief that XML is more process heavy is actually kind of silly. They are both text files that have to be parsed linearly. XAML is XML with hierarchy and structure, just like YAML, but without the ridiculous nomenclature. Oh sure, the php kiddies like YAML, but seriously, it has no traction in the real world.
shave your neckbeard for god's sake. Regardless of your opinion it will be YAML in the here and now no matter how much you try to denigrate this effort. It will not affect your daily life and the quality of your EVE playing will only get better. |

Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
409
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:51:00 -
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I didn't see the booster timer mentioned in either devblog or the Hyperion Features page. Is it still on the table or has it been pulled?
It is another awesome feature I'm looking forward to. |
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CCP karkur
C C P C C P Alliance
3603

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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:00:00 -
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Niko Lorenzio wrote:I didn't see the booster timer mentioned in either devblog or the Hyperion Features page. Is it still on the table or has it been pulled?
It is another awesome feature I'm looking forward to. Still on the table, it's just didn't really belong in the devblog and maybe a bit to small to be mentioned on the feature page  CCP karkur | User Interface Programmer | Team Pirate Unicorns |-á@CCP karkur |
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CCP karkur
C C P C C P Alliance
3603

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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:01:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:CCP karkur wrote:only second  , let's pretend I was the first though! Show people you care by sharing! Also: questions, comments? Question: Why don't you drink so I can buy you a beer Comment: The only thing better than this feature is the thought of a nice cold beer at the end of a long day of work.
 CCP karkur | User Interface Programmer | Team Pirate Unicorns |-á@CCP karkur |
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Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices Masters of Flying Objects
767
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:31:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:Niko Lorenzio wrote:I didn't see the booster timer mentioned in either devblog or the Hyperion Features page. Is it still on the table or has it been pulled?
It is another awesome feature I'm looking forward to. Still on the table, it's just didn't really belong in the devblog and maybe a bit to small to be mentioned on the feature page  Its a bigger change then the current version of the market tool tips which is on Sisi. If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide
See you around the universe. |

Slicr
16
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Posted - 2014.08.21 00:53:00 -
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Awesome.
Just wonder a few things: 1. If you have someone blocked (say for example out of the blue - an ISK doubler in Jita) and they start going to town with linking their overview in chat, do I still see it? 2. If someone (say for example, totally random - a chat spammer in Jita) starts linking his overview multiple times in chat - does the server record it only the once or each time the hyped-up person hits that enter button like it was the firing button for a battlecruiser facing the armada?
Thanks I believe in being Pro-Active as Opposed to Reactive. Reactive tends to be more costly in time and money.
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Dersen Lowery
Drinking in Station
1206
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Posted - 2014.08.21 01:06:00 -
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<3 <3 <3 Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |

Kethry Avenger
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
129
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Posted - 2014.08.21 01:13:00 -
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Well this should make my life so much easier! Thanks!
Any chance you will be making, bookmarking Safespots easier in the future? It is not exactly hard now, just it never seems to make the bookmark where I want it.
I would really like an upgrade to my navigation computer where I could just tell it I want to go so far in the X,Y,Z directions and it takes me there. Heck, just let me tell my ship to go X number of km or AU in the direction I'm currently pointed would work. ( I would then have to figure out how to ship beer or a case of beer equivalent to Iceland.) |
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Abel Baxter
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.08.21 01:25:00 -
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Dear Devs,
I welcome the ability to share overview settings, but please overhaul overview behaviours. For example, when you deselect all of the filter states and only select the equivalent of "show criminals" you also need to enable a host of other filters in order to see the globally flagged criminals in the overview. I expected that a pilots global criminal state was independent of constraints like globally neutral, etc.
Sincerely, Abel Baxter |

Lothras Andastar
Associated North American Lovers of Dolphins
81
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Posted - 2014.08.21 03:44:00 -
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Can we please, PLEASE have the ability to add capital letters into our overview names? There is no reason for them to be all lower case. :( Because the Legacy Code has too much Psssssssssssssssh, nothing will ever get fixed until CCP stop wasting money on failed sparkle MMOs and instead rewrite the entire backend of EvE from scratch. |

Magic Crisp
Amarrian Micro Devices Curatores Veritatis Alliance
163
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Posted - 2014.08.21 05:00:00 -
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Regarding linking OV settings, please also make it possible to define an OV setting using IGB javascript method. That would make it possible for us to create OV setting stores and open them with a single click. I would love to have something like CCPEVE.overviewSetting() :)
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Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices Masters of Flying Objects
768
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Posted - 2014.08.21 05:28:00 -
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Salpun wrote:CCP karkur wrote:Niko Lorenzio wrote:I didn't see the booster timer mentioned in either devblog or the Hyperion Features page. Is it still on the table or has it been pulled?
It is another awesome feature I'm looking forward to. Still on the table, it's just didn't really belong in the devblog and maybe a bit to small to be mentioned on the feature page  Its a bigger change then the current version of the market tool tips which is on Sisi.  Finally found most of them in the settings window but the info tool tip in this build does not work consistently. If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide
See you around the universe. |
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ISD Rontea
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
316

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Posted - 2014.08.21 05:46:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:only second  , let's pretend I was the first though! Show people you care by sharing! Also: questions, comments? Great instrument for all EVE pilots. Thanks! ISD Rontea Lieutenant -Æ-+-+-+-+-é-æ-Ç -¦-Ç-â-+-+-ï -+-+ -¦-+-¦-+-+-+-¦-¦-¦-ü-é-¦-+-Ä -ü -+-¦-Ç-+-¦-¦-+-+ Interstellar Services Department
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Ultimate Tales
Depressed Noobs
7
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Posted - 2014.08.21 07:15:00 -
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Allow us to use more then one table in same time.
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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1260
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Posted - 2014.08.21 07:35:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote: The reason I personally would like this is because oftentimes things I want to see in the overview are different from the things I want to d-scan.
Good point... when we did the d-scan changes not too long ago, we wanted to try out something like that, but the way the overview presets were set up made it very hard and we decided we should rather focus on the actual task at hand. Now when we have done some refactoring, the presets might actually be easier to use there, so maybe we should look into that again [/quote]
THAT. WOULD BE. AWESOME 
Signature Tanking - Best Tanking. Beware the french guy!
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2014.08.21 08:46:00 -
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Mixed. I like the possibility to persist settings in-game, but I dislike the all-or-nothing behavior. The overview settings and the different tabs are and should be highly individual, that intentionally overwriting them all at once IMO is the 5% case. People will start importing others overviews without reflection and deep knowledge of the details. This will reduce the awareness and can be even dangerous if for example your GTFO settings, you are trained for, are changed every time you join a new player group favoring their own settings. I'm my own NPC alt. |
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CCP karkur
C C P C C P Alliance
3609

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Posted - 2014.08.21 09:51:00 -
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Slicr wrote:Awesome.
Just wonder a few things: 1. If you have someone blocked (say for example out of the blue - an ISK doubler in Jita) and they start going to town with linking their overview in chat, do I still see it? 2. If someone (say for example, totally random - a chat spammer in Jita) starts linking his overview multiple times in chat - does the server record it only the once or each time the hyped-up person hits that enter button like it was the firing button for a battlecruiser facing the armada?
Thanks 1. This change has nothing to do with that. 2. We are logging linking and clicking, but there is also some caching involved there so clicking the link multiple times will not hit the server every time. The overview profiles are on a separate server node, so that shouldn't even impact the rest of the server. CCP karkur | User Interface Programmer | Team Pirate Unicorns |-á@CCP karkur |
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Wormerling
Yumping Amok Circle-Of-Two
226
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Posted - 2014.08.21 10:41:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:Chillya wrote:The reason I personally would like this is because oftentimes things I want to see in the overview are different from the things I want to d-scan. Good point... when we did the d-scan changes not too long ago, we wanted to try out something like that, but the way the overview presets were set up made it very hard and we decided we should rather focus on the actual task at hand. Now when we have done some refactoring, the presets might actually be easier to use there, so maybe we should look into that again  As a guy who lived in wormspace most of his EVE-life I'm waiting for this feature for several years. The simplest example of this would be to remove planets and wrecks from d-scan when doing anomalies in wormspace to reduce clutter and focus on detecting incoming ships and probes. The other "Tower Finder" perset for d-scan may invovle only towers, planets and moons only. |
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Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd Nulli Secunda
278
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Posted - 2014.08.21 10:54:00 -
[61] - Quote
I have mixed feelings about this, although largely positive.
Making it easy to share overview settings with other players ingame - without having to rely on XML-files that are shared externally - is great and will undoubtedly make it easier for many.
Changing the data format of the storage file from XML to YAML probably will only affect a few people, myself included.  I just hope you'll keep the XML import for a while to give me time to learn YAML to make a proper conversion of my overview file.
I'm also somewhat disappointed, because I hoped for more. Like being able to share my UI settings at least with my own alts. Afaik they are stored in the core_char file for each character, the settings for overview size and position among them.
And I have a question: While I assume that you will continue to allow what's allowed atm with regard to "XML-magic", I'd like to know whether you will allow more in the future? For example you can alter font size, color and set it to bold, italic and/or underlined. But you can not set the font to blink or use filters.
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Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd Nulli Secunda
278
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:02:00 -
[62] - Quote
Wormerling wrote:CCP karkur wrote:Chillya wrote:The reason I personally would like this is because oftentimes things I want to see in the overview are different from the things I want to d-scan. Good point... when we did the d-scan changes not too long ago, we wanted to try out something like that, but the way the overview presets were set up made it very hard and we decided we should rather focus on the actual task at hand. Now when we have done some refactoring, the presets might actually be easier to use there, so maybe we should look into that again  As a guy who lived in wormspace most of his EVE-life I'm waiting for this feature for several years. The simplest example of this would be to remove planets and wrecks from d-scan when doing anomalies in wormspace to reduce clutter and focus on detecting incoming ships and probes. The other "Tower Finder" perset for d-scan may invovle towers, planets and moons only. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEEEASE MAKE THIS, IF POSSIBLE! I'm quite certain this already is possible - if you use multiple overview tabs. In the d-scan window in the upper left corner you'll find a checkbox labeled "use active overview settings". It should be feasible to have at least one overview tab configured to what you want to scan for - plus you can change the settings for that tab on the fly if you have multiple overview settings stored. |

Laendra
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
67
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:37:00 -
[63] - Quote
Cheradenine Harper wrote:Quote:Omg, please stop with the YAML ****. It's the shittiest possible way to store data. No. XML is. Wordy, irritating, and a resource hog to process. Any chance of getting a look at the YAML? Pretty please?
I don't recall stating that XML was the way to go. You made that assumption yourself...and you know what they say about assume....well, in this case, it's just you
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Laendra
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
67
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:41:00 -
[64] - Quote
Cheradenine Harper wrote:Politely not going to believe that. Certainly not for speed of processing.
Yeah, because the insane amount of data being processed is going to take hours to process through.
Really?
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trad er
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:48:00 -
[65] - Quote
What about more than 5 tabs ? |

Asptar Monastair
Adventurers
24
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Posted - 2014.08.21 12:40:00 -
[66] - Quote
Is there a limit to the number of share links you can make? |

Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
411
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Posted - 2014.08.21 13:04:00 -
[67] - Quote
Salpun wrote:CCP karkur wrote:Niko Lorenzio wrote:I didn't see the booster timer mentioned in either devblog or the Hyperion Features page. Is it still on the table or has it been pulled?
It is another awesome feature I'm looking forward to. Still on the table, it's just didn't really belong in the devblog and maybe a bit to small to be mentioned on the feature page  Its a bigger change then the current version of the market tool tips which is on Sisi. 
This 
I think you're underestimating how big this change is. I think it's going to result in a lot more people using boosters. I for one have rarely used them for the simple fact that it was hell to track the effects & when they expired. |

brammator
SUB ZERO. Legion of xXDEATHXx
98
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Posted - 2014.08.21 14:13:00 -
[68] - Quote
CCP Karkur, how about moving all status effect (EWAR, Booster Effects, Session Timer etc etc) in one place? |

Telmeran Antollare
Seafalcon Industries
0
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Posted - 2014.08.21 15:50:00 -
[69] - Quote
Any chance we could get a 6th tab?
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Tyranis Marcus
Bloody Heathens
1149
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Posted - 2014.08.22 01:37:00 -
[70] - Quote
awesome
Do not run. We are your friends. |
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Senji Vuran
Revenant Tactical
9
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Posted - 2014.08.22 18:19:00 -
[71] - Quote
CCP karkur wrote:Chillya wrote:I have one question though: how hard would it be to make a drop down menu for d-scan, where you'd select the overview tab profile to be used instead of the current "use active overview settings"? Is it something you would consider doing?
The reason I personally would like this is because oftentimes things I want to see in the overview are different from the things I want to d-scan. Good point... when we did the d-scan changes not too long ago, we wanted to try out something like that, but the way the overview presets were set up made it very hard and we decided we should rather focus on the actual task at hand. Now when we have done some refactoring, the presets might actually be easier to use there, so maybe we should look into that again 
+1
Cannot +1 this enough. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
24088
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Posted - 2014.08.25 18:30:00 -
[72] - Quote
This is very nice.
GǪsooooooGǪ when do we get the same functionality but for the entire window and UI setup?  GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |

Bibosikus
Flowery Twats
195
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Posted - 2014.08.25 20:13:00 -
[73] - Quote
The new meta: Overview trolling 
Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
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Sibius Aidon
Imploding Turtles Rising in Outerspace Gravity Fatal Ascension
27
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Posted - 2014.08.26 13:54:00 -
[74] - Quote
This is awesome! But...now it's not so easy to change overview profiles when you're in the middle of a fight. |

Gospadin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
195
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Posted - 2014.08.26 14:31:00 -
[75] - Quote
A decent feature, but since it only shares your active tabs, it's really of somewhat limited use. An overview should include all 30+ presets we have stored, not just the 5 we have loaded.
As it is, this feature doesn't let me eliminate downloading and importing external overview packs. It's really close though. |

Crestor Markham
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
39
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Posted - 2014.08.26 15:01:00 -
[76] - Quote
Importing only presets from active tabs 100% undermines this feature for me: It desyncs which presets have been updated, leaving me uncertain what presets have everything I want and which don't. This is especially important when CCP adds new items to overview groups.
For example, I want to update my corpies' overviews to show prospects... I post a link with my usual 5 PVP tabs up, but that doesn't include my scout/hunter tab. Now somebody in my corp is scouting, FC asks "yo is your overview updated?" scout says "yes" and misses that prospect fleet without even knowing it.
I will actively avoid overview sharing--and encourage my corpmates to do the same--in order to avoid this problem.
Improved overview export to file is the only thing that helps me, and that's a pretty big disappointment given how hopeful I was for the in game overview sharing feature. |

Gospadin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
195
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Posted - 2014.08.26 15:07:00 -
[77] - Quote
Crestor Markham wrote:Importing only presets from active tabs 100% undermines this feature for me: It desyncs which presets have been updated, leaving me uncertain what presets have everything I want and which don't. This is especially important when CCP adds new items to overview groups.
For example, I want to update my corpies' overviews to show prospects... I post a link with my usual 5 PVP tabs up, but that doesn't include my scout/hunter tab. Now somebody in my corp is scouting, FC asks "yo is your overview updated?" scout says "yes" and misses that prospect fleet without even knowing it.
I will actively avoid overview sharing--and encourage my corpmates to do the same--in order to avoid this problem.
Improved overview export to file is the only thing that helps me, and that's a pretty big disappointment given how hopeful I was for the in game overview sharing feature.
I agree 100%.
Hopefully it's not too hard to add a full-setting sync instead of just an active-tab sync.
A "workaround" would be to export a different 5 tabs in each of 7 or 8 shared overviews, then load them all up, but at that point it's easier to just load an overview pack. |

Crestor Markham
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
40
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Posted - 2014.08.26 16:30:00 -
[78] - Quote
Riela Tanal wrote:Is it possible to get an option to hide unpiloted ships from your overview/probe scan could help with WH posses if people leave a bunch of ships in their pos and causing issues with Dscan and probing.
We use this as a feature (living in null), and don't want to see it changed. Are we in those PVE ships, or is that flock of tornados about to land on grid? I hope your dscan-foo is up to snuff! |

Ammzi
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
1830
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Posted - 2014.08.26 19:10:00 -
[79] - Quote
Crestor Markham wrote:Importing only presets from active tabs 100% .
This. CCP please.
Only the presets? Oh, come on. That's not real "sharing", that's haflassed sharing. And halfassed sharing = not caring. |

gascanu
Bearing Srl.
149
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Posted - 2014.08.26 22:37:00 -
[80] - Quote
this new overview thing looks like a very bad joke now; caring? more like "censored" you.... |
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Gospadin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
195
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Posted - 2014.08.27 02:40:00 -
[81] - Quote
gascanu wrote: this new overview thing looks like a very bad joke now; caring? more like "censored" you....
Dunno about "joke" but the idea is still solid. Fundamentally, though, it needs to be able to maintain somewhere between 30 and 75? presets per overview configuration, 5 just isn't very useful. And that, ultimately, is the challenge, since experienced players won't waste time only sharing 5 presets, and new players have a hard time bridging to useful overviews without importing external downloads since the overview is so confusing in the first place.
I'd love to just see them bite the bullet and store all presets when importing/exporting/saving, even at the expense of eliminating overview history.
Call it 500k accounts, 1.5 million characters, and a packed size of somewhere around 5KB for ~50 overview presets, is at most 7GB of data for all possible characters assuming every single character has a maximum of overview setups. Realistically, it's going to be a few hundred megabytes of data accessed in a day at most, which just isn't that much these days.
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CCP karkur
C C P C C P Alliance
3628

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Posted - 2014.08.27 21:40:00 -
[82] - Quote
Just a little bit of an update... we are looking into some options to offer a few more presets as an advanced feature. Total of 15 presets is the number have in mind right now. Don't forget that presets are actually not deleted when a link is clicked, so clicking a few links can import a lot of presets. CCP karkur | User Interface Programmer | Team Pirate Unicorns |-á@CCP karkur |
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Max Kolonko
High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance
441
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:39:00 -
[83] - Quote
CCP karkur wrote:Just a little bit of an update... we are looking into some options to offer a few more presets as an advanced feature. Total of 15 presets is the number have in mind right now. Don't forget that presets are actually not deleted when a link is clicked, so clicking a few links can import a lot of presets.
Have it been looked into how hard would it be to add more tabs to overview? I assume its hardcoded in the spaghetti and tons of other spaghetti code assumes there can be only 5 tabs, but have there been work put into assesing the MD needed to change that so we can have more tabs? Read and support: Don't mess with OUR WH's What is Your stance on WH stuff? |

Keegan Teutorix
3
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Posted - 2014.08.27 23:08:00 -
[84] - Quote
So I noticed that the way standings are chosen is based on the ordering in the appearances tab of overview settings. I thought I remembered that there was some precedence applied in the past to determine this that was unrelated to overview settings. I.e. I thought it used to be personal standings > corp standings > alliance standings.
So if my alliance had someone's alliance set positive standings, but I didn't like them and set them negative standings that they'd show up (e.g. in local using colortags) with the negative colortag. But I tested this just now, and it seems this doesn't matter at all any more. If my colortag ordering is excellent > good > bad > terrible then this person would show up as good standings.
On the overview this isn't a huge deal just a minor inconvenience since you can combine with background to get all the information. However in local, which uses only colortags, it is now impossible to have rational settings! Let's say I try to set up my overview in the current scheme and I want people who are excellent standing to show above criminal because I don't care if someone with excellent standing is criminal or not, I still won't be shooting them. But I want criminal to show above bad/terrible standing so that in lowsec (for example) I know if I have to take criminal myself to attack them. So this means excellent > criminal > terrible in my colortags settings. But I also want to have people with bad personal standings show above people with good corp/alliance standings (as mentioned above). This is now impossible!
tl;dr: Please add someway to determine the standing that is displayed for colortags based on where the standing comes from instead of just what the standing is on the list in the appearances overview tab. |

Fifth Blade
The Nyan Cat Pirates Disband.
35
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Posted - 2014.08.27 23:15:00 -
[85] - Quote
Keegan Teutorix wrote:Let's say I try to set up my overview in the current scheme and I want people who are excellent standing to show above criminal because I don't care if someone with excellent standing is criminal or not, I still won't be shooting them.
But I want criminal to show above bad/terrible standing so that in lowsec (for example) I know if I have to take criminal myself to attack them. So this means excellent > criminal > terrible in my colortags settings. But I also want to have people with bad personal standings show above people with good corp/alliance standings (as mentioned above). This is now impossible!
tl;dr: Please add someway to determine the standing that is displayed for colortags based on where the standing comes from instead of just what the standing is on the list in the appearances overview tab. This. It should not be impossible to have personal standings take precedence over corp/alliance standings without losing criminal/suspect icons in local.
Please allow us some method of setting the order of precedence to personal > corp > alliance standings. |

Masao Kurata
Z List
74
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Posted - 2014.08.28 02:36:00 -
[86] - Quote
Loading overview profiles is a more destructive operation than intended because it overwrites presets with the same names. For that matter attempting to share a profile that includes tabs that aren't saved as presets doesn't work, which is counterintuitive. If you can possibly untie this system from user presets, please do. |

Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1269
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Posted - 2014.08.28 08:02:00 -
[87] - Quote
CCP karkur wrote:Just a little bit of an update... we are looking into some options to offer a few more presets as an advanced feature. Total of 15 presets is the number have in mind right now. Don't forget that presets are actually not deleted when a link is clicked, so clicking a few links can import a lot of presets.
Yeah its better than I expected, to setup the 18 presets of our corp overview, I just make people click three "installation overview" then the final one.
Obviously since I use 18, I'd suggest that you bump the limit to 20 instead of 15 hehe :p Signature Tanking - Best Tanking
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Takanuro
Heart of Pyerite Imperial Outlaws.
114
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Posted - 2014.08.28 11:19:00 -
[88] - Quote
CCP karkur wrote:Just a little bit of an update... we are looking into some options to offer a few more presets as an advanced feature. Total of 15 presets is the number have in mind right now. Don't forget that presets are actually not deleted when a link is clicked, so clicking a few links can import a lot of presets.
I've not read this thread so forgive if redundant, but PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make a decent starter preset for people coming into Faction Warfare. As an example, it's a daily event that new guys start shooting at friendlies because they are > -5 sec status.
I need to play with the new system but +1 for working on overview. Yes, we're going to die, but you're coming with us!
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Gospadin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
195
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Posted - 2014.08.28 17:04:00 -
[89] - Quote
CCP karkur wrote:Just a little bit of an update... we are looking into some options to offer a few more presets as an advanced feature. Total of 15 presets is the number have in mind right now. Don't forget that presets are actually not deleted when a link is clicked, so clicking a few links can import a lot of presets.
There needs to be a way to flush a large number of presets, without reverting to 100% default overview settings.
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Gospadin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
195
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:22:00 -
[90] - Quote
Gospadin wrote:CCP karkur wrote:Just a little bit of an update... we are looking into some options to offer a few more presets as an advanced feature. Total of 15 presets is the number have in mind right now. Don't forget that presets are actually not deleted when a link is clicked, so clicking a few links can import a lot of presets. There needs to be a way to flush a large number of presets, without reverting to 100% default overview settings.
By this i mean a multi-select or similar, instead of the current right click+delete. |
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Tao Xenon
Vulcan College of Mining and Refining
0
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Posted - 2014.08.30 00:28:00 -
[91] - Quote
presets .. tabs.... this is all great stuff but unless the overview "set up" mechanics are made "intuitive" it all just talk..
lets start with explanations of what the various items are. then look at what kind of information is really important, then display it NOT double negative in reverse order.
if you can make industries "overview" more interactive and intuitive... do the same thing for the Display overview. might even include a " test" or "demo" mode that would allow you to actually see what will be shown as you select the actual settings.
THE BIG SECRET..? he who can get a PHD in Overview setting.. WINS!
help the rest of us
Tao Xenon |

Ang Min
CPD Adventures Pte. Ltd.
20
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Posted - 2014.09.01 17:39:00 -
[92] - Quote
Sharing overview settings = good. Screwing up everyone's existing settings = bad. VERY BAD! I log in after the Hyperion update and now all 5 of my tabs show the "General" configuration, and all of the custom settings that I so painstakenly configured before are now gone. Totally. WTF???  |

Marian Devers
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
45
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Posted - 2014.09.10 23:28:00 -
[93] - Quote
Right.
How do I remove the "Load defaults to tab" option when I right click a tab, including all the silly overview settings there (General, Mining, etc.)? |
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