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Vacuole
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Posted - 2003.10.05 03:25:00 -
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There's been some talk about this lately, sorry for beating a dead horse.
But I think players need an incentive to actually use "less safe" routes.
Heavy tolls by CONCORD or whoever is a great idea... and it would be easy to role-play.
FRIENDLY MESSAGE TO ALL SPACEFARERS
The new highway gating system has been a wild success. We appreciate everyone using the gates in these last months. All known bugs have been worked-out and the gates have been tuned recently for maximum performance. The trial period for the Highway project is now over.
We are pleased to announce the opening of the Eve Highway System, proudly linking all corners of the universe, and all cultures!
Usage of the gate system will involve a small fee, based on mass of the craft utilizing the network.
The fee schedule will be forthcoming. We invite all spacefarers to continue using the Highway System at will. If, however, you decide not to use the new system, please plan your route accordingly.
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Well, something like that. If we can get people to stop using the highway system (except in emergency), then the Eve universe will suddenly become a lot "bigger" (as I believe it was intended) and the market might start to recover, atleast a little bit.
Thanks
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Zezman
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Posted - 2003.10.05 03:29:00 -
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.05 03:33:00 -
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Tough. It's going to happen
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2003.10.05 03:33:00 -
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What's going to be the incentive not to use them? Unless the toll system is INSANELY expensive nobody's going to care about spending a couple thousand isk to use them. I know I sure won't.
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Lliad
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Posted - 2003.10.05 03:37:00 -
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Couple of thousand. It better be at least 500k isk. Personaly i would like to see it at a million isk but i dought they would go that far.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.05 03:43:00 -
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Personally, I want see around 5 million isk for large industrials....And a surcharge for bestowers 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.10.05 03:45:00 -
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Couple of thousand. It better be at least 500k isk. Personaly i would like to see it at a million isk but i dought they would go that far.
Not sure what you're smoking there, ehehehe!, but ol' Jack gets the feeling that you're waaaaaay off.
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Lliad
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Posted - 2003.10.05 03:49:00 -
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I know im way off. I never said it was what was going to happen. I only said it is what I PERSONALY would like to see.
So why dont you learn the meaning of things before you start posting crap
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StealthNet
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Posted - 2003.10.05 04:02:00 -
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FRIENDLY MESSAGE TO ALL SPACEFARERS
The new highway gating system has been a wild success. We appreciate everyone using the gates in these last months. All known bugs have been worked-out and the gates have been tuned recently for maximum performance. The trial period for the Highway project is now over.
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The fee schedule will be forthcoming. We invite all spacefarers to continue using the Highway System at will. If, however, you decide not to use the new system, please plan your route accordingly.
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Maybe they should sort the pator and yulai stuck problems before saying it is bug free.
About the routes, they better implement an autopilot option to avoid the highways too. Try to set a course from Lonetrek to Genesis without using the highways and using the best rout possible, and you will know what I mean... 
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.05 04:04:00 -
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I know im way off. I never said it was what was going to happen. I only said it is what I PERSONALY would like to see.
So why dont you learn the meaning of things before you start posting crap
Because Scrapyard Jack is a running gag that hasn't figured out he's reached the end of the road and really should stop running. Sort of like a clown who stopped being funny years ago and has yet to clue in that floppy shoes are passe.
Toss him a few bits from pity. Ehehehh..heh..he....h...*sigh*
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Acix
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Posted - 2003.10.05 04:05:00 -
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So when this doesn't work, are we going to have mandatory trips for everyone to do. Trips going though camped gates so that the pirates get everything handed to them on a silver plater? Do the pirates really need CCP to direct traffic to them?
No flames needed, just being sarcastic.
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Xelios
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Posted - 2003.10.05 04:09:00 -
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" Do the pirates really need CCP to direct traffic to them? "
What are you talking about? What difference does it make if you go from Amarr to Yulai instead of a 6 jump route in between? You're still in empire space, the worst that could happen is a scratch on the paint or a chip in the windsheild.
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Vacuole
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Posted - 2003.10.05 04:13:00 -
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Acix:
I agree that's it's an eternal arms race between pirates and "carebears" (non-pirates I think).
But I personally believe that the scales are tipped just a wee-bit in the non-pirate favor with those highways, and the markets suffer as a result.
I can envision an Eve where there's a couple of differnet routes to most places without using the highway system. I think this would mean making some more connections on a smaller scale through some system.
God forbid, people might have to learn the hard way how to navigate like an expert around or through pirate blockades.
See, I think this is what the problem is.. people too pig-headed to learn how to fend for themselves and CCP remedying their plight, at the expense of the market's well being.
I remember the "good-ole-days" when plotting a course from empire space to Stain (for example) was considered a major odyssey that took a long time to complete.. I personally felt like I was off on a looong-distance trip and the universe was vast and the people I met along the way were truly strangers.
Now, you can get there in a few jumps and do it pretty-much in the time it takes to go take a good no. 2.
Hello market homogeny, goodbye courier/tradesman market. Also, goodbye feeling of exploration and intrigue.
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Master Scy
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Posted - 2003.10.05 04:18:00 -
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I'm hoping the fee will be based on ship class + volume of loaded cargo...
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"Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ?
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.05 04:24:00 -
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I'm hoping the fee will be based on ship class + volume of loaded cargo...
So an industrial full of Robotics bears the same toll as one of Datasheets? Err...how about not.
Mass of the vessel is the fairest way because it bypasses the possible market issues. Like if you bought that load of whatever above NPC market value.
It's easiest for CCP to take the least valuable cargo and place it in the highest capacity industrial, then create the toll based on that ship's mass. That way someone hauling an Iteron Mark V full of nuclear s ammo doesn't have their profit margin completely wiped out.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Zezman
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Posted - 2003.10.05 05:19:00 -
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And how do you plan on enforcing a toll?
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Xelios
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Posted - 2003.10.05 05:21:00 -
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Old ladies with walkers. No one ****s with an old lady and her walker.
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Vacuole
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Posted - 2003.10.05 05:25:00 -
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I hope to solicit CCP to impose it through modified game mechanics.
In fact, I think it is already in the works not by my suggestion. I was just reiterating the need for it.
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Ayar Cachi
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Posted - 2003.10.05 05:31:00 -
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There has been talk of implementing a toll system in Eve before.
For example, LeKjart mentioned it. So there may be some mechanics or at least some hooks for this (and more interesting tolls) in place already. Maybe.
I vote we don't put zez in charge of it though. what? No voting? crap.
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Zezman
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Posted - 2003.10.05 05:50:00 -
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that is ridiculous
a toll system is stupid
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Vacuole
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Posted - 2003.10.05 05:56:00 -
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Zezman
That may be.. please explain why.
Thanks --
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Vacuole
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Posted - 2003.10.05 05:57:00 -
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Edited by: Vacuole on 05/10/2003 05:58:27
Double post, because of the inferior boards.
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GraveDigger
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Posted - 2003.10.05 06:05:00 -
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yes, troll,troll,troll,? er. I mean toll,toll,toll....I will be more then happy to pay to use the hywy system, just as long as they use the isk everyone pays for upkeep!
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Zezman
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Posted - 2003.10.05 06:05:00 -
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It is ridiculous to toll jump gates of previously free systems. For one, who gains by this?
Where does the money go? Into a vacuum. Would it reduce traffic? No. There is no benefit for such a system, and it greatly hinders the traveling public.
The best way to ease the highway system is to make it broader, with more interconnections. Not less.
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Angelsfist
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Posted - 2003.10.05 06:15:00 -
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Vote YES for highway tolls!
The universe was meant to be huge and not easily traversed in a hour or 2. Hopefully, with an excessive toll people will linger in their base regions and the distinct regional markets will recover.
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Kalki Nibiru
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Posted - 2003.10.05 06:22:00 -
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I guess they need to relocate agents out of the highway systems then, because it sure would be a ***** trying to do missions and always having to pay a toll.
Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate
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<Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market?
<Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with |
Kalki Nibiru
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Posted - 2003.10.05 06:22:00 -
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I guess they need to relocate agents out of the highway systems then, because it sure would be a ***** trying to do missions and always having to pay a toll.
Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate
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<Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market?
<Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with |
Sphalerite
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Posted - 2003.10.05 06:24:00 -
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It is ridiculous to toll jump gates of previously free systems. For one, who gains by this?
Where does the money go? Into a vacuum. Would it reduce traffic? No. There is no benefit for such a system, and it greatly hinders the traveling public.
The best way to ease the highway system is to make it broader, with more interconnections. Not less.
The problem is that the highways homogenize EVE. Before the highways, there were lots of local markets, and they were all different. The world felt huge, there were places that were hours away.
The way things are now, one corp can corner the market for the entire universe. there is no local variety, and thats killed any dynamic player trading. Why would I ever place a buy order for something I can't find locally, when I can check half the universe in half an hour.
Adding tolls would bring the player trader concept back to life. A corp can still sell its good all over the universe easily, but a solo player with some cash and an indy can make some money off it too, by going the long way around.
So they gain from this. Pirates also gain many more places that have traffic, so they don't have to camp the 2 or 3 places where people actually have to take goods though as it is right now.
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Amin
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Posted - 2003.10.05 06:48:00 -
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Edited by: Amin on 05/10/2003 06:50:24
The problem i see with the highway system is primarily how its laid out. It doesnt make alot of sense from a defense point of view, the fact that i can go from Amarr to Pator in 2 jumps is ridiculous. Only ccp knows why there have been "border skirmishes" in the bleak lands, tbh i doubt more hand a handful of corps are actually based in regions like this one.
A toll for highways, maybe (do i hear conjestion charge  ) . But what needs to be changed before hand is how the highway is laid out. It should be like a "ring road" similar to the M25 around London. It should link all the regions that located outside the starting regions (molden heath, khanid, forge, placid etc). This would still make Eve easy to transverse from one far out region to another, without having to go through the the most congested regions. The highway jump point could be linked to systems that r maybe a few jumps from the starting regions. It will still reduce the number of jumps needed on some journeys, whereas on others it may be easier to avoid the highways all together for others
This way you wont have 1 major bottleneck system like yulai, and if for some reason a system in the new highway does go down it wont take the whole highway with it.
Just some thoughts, very unlikely to be implimented, i know 
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Xelios
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Posted - 2003.10.05 07:04:00 -
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Zezman, the whole reason the question of tolls is being brought up is to counteract the super easy trading and bypassing of dangerous systems. How will putting in more superhighway gates do anything but make these problems 1000x worse?
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