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codepic
Mithril Inc
Antigo Dominion
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Posted - 2006.07.22 13:40:00 -
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SOrry if this has been posted already but here we go:
Corporate Bookmarks
These days every member of the corporation needs to manage their own set of bookmarks. If we want every member to have certain bookmarks, it uses a lot of time to copy those and make sure everyone got them.. Also, it leads to a lot of unnecessary database entries for bookmarks.
CEO & Directors could maintain a set of bookmarks. Each shared bookmark folder would have permissions & roles. So we could determine whos got the permissions to view which bookmarks.
Example:
Ceo creates a new corporate bookmark folder
- He gives every corp member the permission to view (not edit) the bookmarks
- He gives directors the permission to edit the bookmarks too
- He drags a regional G2G set into the folder
BOOM: Every member has the gate to gate set visible in their people and places
Now, if we find out one of the bookmarks bein offset, a director edits/replaces the bookmark
Also, the database server will only need to maintain one set of the bookmarks even though the corporation would have 200 members...
No lag, no hassle, everyone got the bookmarks etc...
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Maya Rkell
Corsets and Carebears
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Posted - 2006.07.22 18:23:00 -
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It's not a bad soloution in many ways, no... (it's not ideal, but no soloution I've seen is, and it's certainly workable)
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Reggie Stoneloader
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Posted - 2006.07.22 20:17:00 -
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Sounds pretty good. It has the added bonus of preventing spies from jacking all the safespot BMs and selling them on the black market.
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Tammarr
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Posted - 2006.07.23 02:39:00 -
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Very good idea, and very doable.
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codepic
Mithril Inc
Antigo Dominion
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Posted - 2006.07.23 08:09:00 -
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Also, if a safespot is busted, it'd be easy to centrally delete the safespot and create a new. Adding to corporate security.
Also, a corporation which is good in security, could cycle the safespots every now and then adding further to the safespot security...
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DeckardIRL
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.23 11:18:00 -
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Good Idea,
As has been said its not a perfect solution but one that will drastically reduce Insta copying for a start.
I have seen no feedback from the Devs on this topic in general... it is one of the most common topics... if someone has seen a Dev comments... please link it.
Deckard
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Xar Zanyll
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Posted - 2006.07.23 19:45:00 -
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The best thing about this idea is that it will significantly reduce server load. Such bookmarks would be the same for every member of the corp, allowing a single master access file to be used. Currently, every bookmark is its own entity, even if it is a copy. That's what drags the servers down so much.
An Explorer position should be added for creating and tweaking and managing the bookmarks. Such a position need not include director access to other corporate assets.
The best thing about this system is it still allows for personal bookmarks, while greatly reducing the overhead by centralizing those bookmarls most used.
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vinnymcg
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.23 19:51:00 -
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I think this idea has been said befor but as people in this tread have allready said the devs havent said a word, are they even reading this???
Well im gona BM this topic and bump it every now and then :) if it stays at the top of the list it is more likly to be seen.
Anyway its a good idea it does seem to be able to reduce some of the server load but with out the devs saying it will or wont we will never know :/
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Vera Nosfyu
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.23 21:53:00 -
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Yeah. This won't solve all the problems relating to BMs, but it'll solve a few of them and it doesn't bring about any new ones.
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codepic
Mithril Inc
Antigo Dominion
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Posted - 2006.07.24 07:55:00 -
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Well mostly I got this idea when wondering why on earth the bookmark system is designed to force people to make so much copies while in general software & database design tries to avoid copies.
EVERYBODY hates copying. I believe also CCP hates the copies they got in the database, plus of course the whinage from people when they need to copy bookmarks.
All of this would stop with centrally managed repository. Lag, duplicate entries in DB, whinage and wasted time.
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Ellaine TashMurkon
Em Pack
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2006.07.24 08:10:00 -
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That one is a really good idea :)
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Clansworth
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.24 21:34:00 -
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I definately aggree with this one. Seems a no-brainer quick fix for the BM database loading.
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Taran Blake
ANZAC ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2006.07.25 09:21:00 -
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Hardly ever come in here, but I have to say that this is a very good idea.
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Y'laaris Brood
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Posted - 2006.07.25 12:51:00 -
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 Originally by: Maya Rkell
It's not a bad soloution in many ways, no... (it's not ideal, but no soloution I've seen is, and it's certainly workable)
Agreed - thats one one the better ideas I've seen.
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BrerLapin
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 22:58:00 -
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Fantastic idea
Originally by: Market Scanner
Maybe CCP needs to remove all 3D models of NPC's and replace them with white 2D squares with the NPC's name typed in the square. I miss pong.
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K Shara
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.26 09:57:00 -
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suggested this awhile ago,
it has the good points as follows.
it takes a load from teh server as not every member of a corp would need to have a copy of a region / regions
it keeps teh current functionality of bookmarks that people now expect
it will get rid off of these bloody bm threads :)
Bad points....
the gate camping nubs will moan that eveyone has instas now and they cant kill poeple from 200km away any more
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Maya Rkell
Corsets and Carebears
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Posted - 2006.07.26 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: K Shara
it will get rid off of these bloody bm threads :)
Now THAT'S wishful thinking :P
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Chaoskeeper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.26 12:36:00 -
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well I see it this way.
if you make corporation BMs and only limit the personal BMs to let's say 200. - you'll drastically reduce the BMs
- since only player made corporations can use that feature, you will force ppl to join them.
- don't let noob corpers use personal BMs (block them if you're in one) -> macro killer
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vinnymcg
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.27 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Chaoskeeper
well I see it this way.
if you make corporation BMs and only limit the personal BMs to let's say 200. - you'll drastically reduce the BMs
- since only player made corporations can use that feature, you will force ppl to join them.
- don't let noob corpers use personal BMs (block them if you're in one) -> macro killer
NICE!! Kill all macroers
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Reggie Stoneloader
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Posted - 2006.07.28 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Chaoskeeper
- don't let noob corpers use personal BMs (block them if you're in one) -> macro killer
Nah, newbies need to learn how BMs work, too. Just limit them to 200. I don't like crippling gameplay just to mess with macroers.
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Nicoli Voldkif
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Posted - 2006.07.28 19:14:00 -
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Great Idea know this would reduce the amount of BMs all my corp mates have from around 400k to about 10k
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Brogan Dagarkin
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Posted - 2006.07.29 02:00:00 -
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/signed
Limiting the amount of personal bookmarks will also have the effect of limiting alt spies and alt scouts who remain in newb corporations. It will also have the effect of limiting traders and industry based players who don't want to join a corp. I believe that the limitation of personal bookmarks would actually encourage players to join or form their own corporations.
On another note, can I offer another suggestion for this idea: Allow player corporations (or individuals in player corporations) to 'subscribe' to other corporation's bookmark list.
This would help bookmark sellers as they could then just charge a monthly fee to allow entire corporations, alliances or individuals access to their bookmark set. Corporations wouldn't have to buy and update their own set, they would just have to subscribe to a trusted exploration corporation.
If you allowed each folder in the corporation bookmark area to have different access rights you could also have situations where alliances may pay more to stop other alliances/corporations having access to bookmarks within their region, unless the other alliance/corporation bookmark it themselves.
Finally, I would hope that the right click shortcut would have a menu for each corporation set you subscribe to and under that menu it would have the bookmarks from that corporation.
BTW, great idea which, as several have posted before me, the many positives far outweigh the few negatives. Would it be possible to include this with the corporations update that is being looked at? |
codepic
Mithril Inc
Antigo Dominion
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Posted - 2006.07.30 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: K Shara
Bad points....
the gate camping nubs will moan that eveyone has instas now and they cant kill poeple from 200km away any more
Is that a bad point? Hehe, seriously... In our corporation EVERYONE has instas even without corporate bookmarks. It's just the tedious task of copying and making sure everyone got them...
MAYBE
CCP would like to add a new contract at some point that a bookmark dealer could allow people to SUBSCRIBE for sets of bookmarks. Personal, Corporate & Alliance subscriptions would be priced differently and this would also make sure we get rid of crappy incomplete BM sets & escrow scams...
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Ellaine TashMurkon
Em Pack
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2006.07.30 10:47:00 -
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Just like in my bookmark upgrades proposal ;) (in sig)
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Clais Monaige
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Posted - 2006.07.30 15:02:00 -
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I fully support the idea of corporate bookmarks, would abolish much nasty work, imho.
Originally by: DeckardIRL
I have seen no feedback from the Devs on this topic in general... it is one of the most common topics... if someone has seen a Dev comments... please link it.
Sorry, no links, but iirc the devs don't like the way bookmarks are used as instas, mostly because of it's server lag (an improvement in the bookmarking code could also make bookmarking easier, e.g. copying dozens of bookmarks in a second or so  ).
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Mr Xofar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.08.04 03:33:00 -
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Awesome idea, even though I'm not in a player owned corp, which brings me to my question on this.
What about non player corp's? Are Players who choose to not join a player corp to be required to rely on their own BM making?
Or, would it be too far off to introduce the whole idea of CorpBM instas to new players by providing them with a few 1.0 security system BM's for running missions. CCP could even make them mission oriented, and work their way into acquiring instas for 0.9 and then 0.8 security systems with the Non-player or even the starter University corps.
These "free bees" would have little or no effect on gate gankers since they don't gank in Hi Security systems. I'm talking 0.8 and above here. But, the new players won't feel that immediate discovery of "OMG! It takes so long to travel." If they want more instas than that they would either have to make them, which could be introduced in the tutorial, or join a corp, or buy the old instas that I assume would still be around.
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codepic
Mithril Inc
Antigo Dominion
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Xofar
What about non player corp's? Are Players who choose to not join a player corp to be required to rely on their own BM making?
This could maybe be addressed by a new type of "Contract" when Kali comes so that BM providers could create contracts for people to subscribe for sets of bookmarks as suggested above. You could subscribe as a person/corporation/alliance.
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Mr Xofar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.08.05 16:23:00 -
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Okay, Oveur, there you have it. Most likely the best, most workable, idea yet.
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Brogan Dagarkin
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Posted - 2006.08.08 16:22:00 -
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Edited by: Brogan Dagarkin on 08/08/2006 16:22:18
How did this get all the way to page 4?
No one will see it there and we need more comments or just /sign.
I know /signing doesn't work since I remember the 12 page small freighter topic which had so many /signs and still no comment from Devs but I'd still like to see others comments on this.
Corporation Bookmark Folder(s) - http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=234417SHIP |
Reggie Stoneloader
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Posted - 2006.08.08 21:58:00 -
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/signed and all, but it's not a polished idea just yet. What do we think about the limits on individual bookmarks? Should each character be able to store 200 bookmarks of their own, and corps have an unlimited capacity for them? How would bookmarks be transferred from corp to corp, or individual to corp?
I really like the idea of having corp sets be accessed via role privileges. Everyone gets the gate and station instas, but the safespots, POSes and secret ammo stash can bookmarks are only available to wing leaders or above. Awesome.
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