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Avernus Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.26 00:20:00 - [91] But... it was chocolate, what did you expect would happen? Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Drakma Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.26 00:43:00 - [92] Originally by: Avernus But... it was chocolate, what did you expect would happen? We are coming for our Pudding. Sig must be under 24000 bytes - Cathath ([email protected])
Wierd Beard Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.07.26 00:45:00 - [93] Originally by: Drakma Originally by: Avernus But... it was chocolate, what did you expect would happen? We are coming for our Pudding. You WHAT in the pudding? Thats why it was all runny... Should see a doctor about that
Havelcek Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.26 01:11:00 - [94] I don't think its such a cut and dry situation. ASCN space is contantly being flown through by enemy gangs, solitary gankers, and neutral alts making bookmarks and safespots and out-of-corp hauling. Just like in real life, you can either fight them in your own backyard or you can try to fight them on terms that are more to your advantage. To add complexity to this is the fact that our next door regions have dozens of corps and alliances of all sizes and shapes, and with convoluted standings to each other. It becomes difficult to even fly in gangs with blue friends because standings are all crisscrossed. Believe me when I say that 99% of the ASCNers I fly with go above and beyond to identify and avoid neutrals as well as "friendly corps" with standings "issues". I personally fly with our in-game standings page open when PvPing and referring to it has cost me valuable time on a number of occasions. Surely many of the people flaming us in this thread have full NBSI everywhere and are laughing at me for even checking a standings page. You definitely can't please everyone.
INZi coracao ardente	Posted - 2006.07.26 04:04:00 - [95] "uaah uaaah! i want 0.0 space with juicy rats and lots of iskie biskie, but i do not want to dieeeee.... uaaah!! uaaahh!" get some balls.. geez
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.07.26 05:06:00 - [96] Edited by: Shin Ra on 26/07/2006 05:09:41 Originally by: Darko1107 Why oh why do i feel asif im playing the most boring game in the world every time i read your posts. Now your imparting ASCN "wisdom" on other alliance leaders that are going to have dozens of small corps bombarding thier diplomats with "can you vouch for me please". Wooooo. Excatly. Next there will be a 19 page application form with questions such as: Have you ever felt the urge to shoot an ASCN vessel? Were you a member of an anti-ASCN corp? Are you carrying more than 10,000 isk in cash in your ship? Then, ASCN can employ 10 people check each part, another 5 people to rubber stamp it, and another 2 people to bribe if you actually want your request to go through. Wouldn't that be even more fun? Or you could just shoot anything not blue, ask questions later, ignore the stupid OMG forum posts and not waste so much time faffing around. What ever happened to the "evil" persona you adopted after we rattled your cage?
Unknown Human	Posted - 2006.07.26 05:38:00 - [97] Edited by: Unknown Human on 26/07/2006 05:38:16 Wrong Char Opps :P
UnknownHuman Species 5618 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.26 05:38:00 - [98] Oh the Humanity!! LOL Holy Ive read numerous posts complaining, bla bla bla... Well its funny that these alliances are saying we patrol providence cause were locals, yet Providence can be used as a hub to get to our space. So we take the battle out there rather than fight it in our own space. Like my pal Inzi used to tell me, Can't stand the heat GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN! Muaahhaha Seriously Gents... Your whining bores us, dont like it, get out of providence and grow up.... As for not shooting Haulers, Haulers can be just as dangerous as any other combat ship, one main purpose is to tackle. So I say lets play it safe and go by our NBSI policy....
Stella Centauri Spontaneous Defenestration	Posted - 2006.07.26 05:41:00 - [99] These kind of posts are obviously only for people that care about what people think about them. Which probably mean they need the people they want to think good of them to survive/enjoy life/whatever. Anyone else see the contradiction in this matter? Why cant ASCN just go to where us pirates actually are and the locals cant really manage to keep us away? Lemme give you a hint: KBP7-V, G-5EN2. Take a break from your politics and other *******s, and come up there to fight us. However might have to wait a few days since we're out on "vacation" pretty close to your home-systems --------------------------------------- Stella - If your boss gets to choose.
Shayleigh Snowflower	Posted - 2006.07.26 11:33:00 - [100] Edited by: Shayleigh Snowflower on 26/07/2006 11:36:43 Edited by: Shayleigh Snowflower on 26/07/2006 11:34:32 KB ain't on the route to ESA. No reason for ASCN to patrol that area. ---- As a neutral, this might save you, unless you or your corp are on the wrong side of the killmails on our killboard : Contact ASCN taskforces in local when you find yourself in same system as them. State who your 'sponsored' corp are, or what alliance you work alongside. If your story checks out, you should stand a better chanse at survival.
MOS DEF Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.26 11:50:00 - [101] blablabla If it`S not blue - lock and load. This discussion is boring and doesn`t change anything. You guys are just wasting your breath.
Ztang Canary Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.26 11:52:00 - [102] The chain of answers here is quite amusing. I think perhaps 2 or 3 posts actually worth reading, the rest is rather tedious excamples of how these boards work; inflammatory attempts at derailing and sabotaging the original intent. Its so translucent, its painful. ASCN is doing its best to lay down a working solution with regards to one of the pipes into our space. If people want to flame, then so be it. Another thing, everyone knows 0.0 is unsafe..most unaffiliated pilots, in addition to small corps travelling 0.0 should know this. Cyvok has laid down means for you to avoid incidents, use them...or fathom 0.0 for what it is. This situation is much the same as the one BoB faces in Aridia...they police that region harshly due to it piping into Fountain. Stop the hypocrisy, look long and hard at the realities, and take your steps.
Emeline Cabernet Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.26 13:03:00 - [103] the arrogance of some acsn members in here... you really want traveling through providence harder? adding 3-4 alliances to your enemy list?
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.26 13:20:00 - [104] I can understand people are upset when they're just honest traders/miners/ratters and get shot at by ASCN forces. But to be honest, its a bit unavoidable. ASCN uses the routes through Catch/Providence heavily, and there is a significant pirate presence there, who are also using characters outside of their own pirate corps. And with the sheer number of corp out there, its hard to keep track of who is what exactly. Which is why ASCN shoots noob corp people, and had a number of incidents with people who weren't really pirates at all. I think its really something we'd rather avoid, but its a warzone, and you don't always have time to check the standings and get detailed information about everyone you encounter.
CEO Rockhound Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.26 13:28:00 - [105] Originally by: Emeline Cabernet the arrogance of some acsn members in here... you really want traveling through providence harder? adding 3-4 alliances to your enemy list? and what 3-4 alliances whould that be? UK with they're station in the middle of the ASCN lifeline.. I am sure 25% of ASCN would not mind if they started attacking ASCN pilots. That whould be the 25% that like PVP. ASCN have problems with people that roam around with no home. ASCN do not have a problem with people that have a place they live in deep space. Neutrals, like me, with no standing to ASCN, better expect to be shot. Norsk Gruvedrift. We will rock you.
John McCreedy Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.26 13:30:00 - [106] Originally by: Maggot The problem is this: Northen Providence is policed by the locals - all of whom do not employ NBSI policy against combat ships or haulers. They engage based on evidence and investigation. Now ASCN roll through and will shoot anything based on thier own NBSI policy regardless of the local sovereignty and policing methods. From accounts in the local channels ASCN in the last two weeks have been killing or hunting more locals than the combined forces of all pirates in this region. ASCN's good name has been spoiled in the eyes of the providence community as its pilots are actively hunting neutrals as opposed to shooting ships that pose a threat during escort missions. To stop the death of innocents U'K has provided ASCN with a list of its allies. U'K's focus has and always will be our fight with slavers. We will not be held responsible for the death of those killed by ASCN troops. ASCN's offer to set standings is of course a good step forward. But it is still a slap in the face for all the good folk who dwell in this dangerous border zone, and discourages those who taking their first step into these wildlands. I urge ASCN high command to revert to their prior policy, and use other methods to spot corp jumpers - U'K has the same problem but we know our foes by name. I fully support the ASCN policy regarding University graduates and other such spies being destroyed at the discretion of the pilot. Maggot. Prehaps had you not been so obesteniate and provided me with a list of the standings I requested, ASCN would of been able to avoid any of these mis-understandings. Instead, your reply was, to say the least, far from diplomatic Make a Difference
Mtthias Clemi Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.26 13:52:00 - [107] People dont like ASCN??? but why!?! We are so nice! Annoyingly every time i go out to fight, i can never find any targets.... I dont understand some people... perhaps the people who are complaining about CYVOK's post should back up thier words? no? i didnt think so.. CYVOK wasnt asking anything, requesting or questioning... simply informing have a nice day.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.26 13:54:00 - [108] Originally by: Emeline Cabernet the arrogance of some acsn members in here... you really want traveling through providence harder? adding 3-4 alliances to your enemy list? ascn's dieing due to lack of targets dude - Gob [IXC] Admiral Goberius
Maggot Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.26 15:00:00 - [109] Originally by: John McCreedy Prehaps had you not been so obesteniate and provided me with a list of the standings I requested, ASCN would of been able to avoid any of these mis-understandings. Instead, your reply was, to say the least, far from diplomatic Your request for data, out of the blue and with no statement of ASCN's intent to operate NBSI, was indeed met with a rude reply. We should not have to give our standings to anyone. However I understand your intentions were good so please accept my apologies. Once it was made clear how you were going to operate without regard for the local custom I made this data available to CYVOK to stop needless slaughter. Everyone else in Providence can operate just fine without NBSI, but it seems to be beyond the wit or will of ASCN. I presume the latter. I hope in time that ASCN will end this policy, and U'K will assist ASCN in any way to bring this about. Maggot.
Silent butViolent	Posted - 2006.07.26 15:14:00 - [110] Originally by: Wizard I can confirm ascn/axe plans as true, me being the peacefull npcer/industrialist ive always strived to be was atacked in an unprovoked manner in providence 2 nights ago. For someunknown reason my insta i used whilst flying without scout landed me of gate and i was duely scrambled/webbed by a pilgrim ship from ascn. After aggressing to meerly defend myself against this pirate i was jammed and 7-8 other craft from ascn pirate aliance jumped in to help my pod releive itself from my ship. Being 1 of the peacefull corporations in the area who wouldnt say boo to a goose i emplore the mighty cyvokk to reimburse me for my loss. At present no corp ops are being carryed out as we are having group meetings to help me through the trauma in my troubled time. Wish me all the best fellas Does ANYONE else find a post like this, with a tagline like this: "^^looking for a PvP corp with little stress then look no further." Quite ironic? ZOMG ZOMG We r beeung pr0seky00ted bai big bad ASCN....I r total neutral. Buuuuuuut.............if you wanna go gank in someone else's 0.0 territory and be all laxed, relaxed, and chilled like a mofo, join us! =D
R'adeh Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.26 15:30:00 - [111] Heh, what a reaction First of all, I like Ushra'Khan (even though I have to look up how to write their Alliance name each time I do so). Whenever I run into them, they are very actively hunting pirates and offered their help on countless occasions (same goes for Huzzah). I'm really sorry if we shot some of their friends... HOWEVER, there's been waaaaay to many small "neutral" spy corps around the pipe recently. So we're trying to make some fire under their a$$. If you jump into an ASCN gate camp, and you believe you are friendly to us, say so in local and if your story is believable you will live. If however, you're in a small neutral corp, not affiliated with an alliance living around that region, and flying a Heretic/Sabre...well, let's just say, it's gonna be hard to prove why you need such a ship down in 0.0 if you're "neutral". Guys, it's 0.0 space...sometimes 0.0 space gets dangerous PS: Hello FIX __________________________________________________ My views are my own and I don't represent my corp. Please show mercy Drakma!
Maggot Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.26 16:15:00 - [112] R'adeh, Thank you for your kind words. I believe your suggestions are in the right direction. When escorting or camping gates decisions like that have to be made on the fly and I fully understand, I am glad you will give people a chance to explain themselves. Maggot.
Hardin Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.26 16:28:00 - [113] so: "Guys, it's 0.0 space...sometimes 0.0 space gets dangerous" Yet "If however, you're in a small neutral corp, not affiliated with an alliance living around that region, and flying a Heretic/Sabre...well, let's just say, it's gonna be hard to prove why you need such a ship down in 0.0 if you're "neutral". Seems kinda contradictory to me... 0.0 is dangerous therefore if you are not part of an alliance you cannot fly around in anything other than a hauler or we shall shoot you. Fantastic logic... ------------------------------ Hardin's Blog (BACK UP!)
R'adeh Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.26 16:55:00 - [114] Originally by: Hardin Seems kinda contradictory to me... 0.0 is dangerous therefore if you are not part of an alliance you cannot fly around in anything other than a hauler or we shall shoot you. Fantastic logic... It's not contradictory. If you are down there in a ship like a dictor, you are either affiliated or tollerated by one of the regional alliances or looking for trouble. Ofc you can be an independent corp tollerated by such an alliance (Ushra'Khan, Huzzah) without actually being in that alliance, In which case a you can easily clarify that situation. However, if Ushra'Khan tells us they've never heard of you, but you say you and Ushra'Khan are best buddies...who do you think we'll believe Seriously, if you're member of a 2 man corp having "YARRR" written in your bio while flying alone down the pipe in a dictor, please don't be surprised if we engage __________________________________________________ My views are my own and I don't represent my corp. Please show mercy Drakma!
Riddari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.26 17:03:00 - [115] I personally follow a NRDS policy on my travels through Catch/Providence. I do hope, and have proposed, that ASCN puts CVA (and its brethrens in PIE and 1PG) on the do-not-shoot list. The RP-alliances have been fighting against the odds (and each other) from day one and it would not be sporting for any heavyweight alliance to align with either faction at this stage. ¼+¼ a history
Hardin Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.26 17:43:00 - [116] Edited by: Hardin on 26/07/2006 17:47:55 A little history lesson for the ASCN members on here complaining about 'whining'. For the past 18 months CVA and others like them have protected all traffic through our part of Providence and that has included ASCN pilots. CVA/NOS (and before them Huzzah) have steadfastly policed and patrolled our space enforcing our rules. Yes sometimes pirates visit and there are camps - but on the whole the area has been relatively safe to live in and travel through - thanks to our (and our friends) efforts. We have created one of the few areas in EVE where non-aligned individuals and corporations have access to 0.0 through constant and careful policing, communication and management of KOS lists. Now ASCN (out of what appears to be boredom) seems to be saying that they want to take a hand in making Providence safe. Safe for whom exactly? We don't mind your pilots flying in Providence. Indeed we don't mind anyone flying in Providence (with the exception of the terrorist Minmatars ) as long as they mind their own business and do not pirate (which in our book is defined as shooting us or neutrals without good cause). We have offered to share our KOS lists with ASCN in order that your bored pilots can find some legitimate villains to shoot. However, if ASCN insists on bringing their own NBSI policy into this region it undermines everything that we stand for and in our view is nothing better than piracy. We already have a number of alliances (i.e. BoB, LV, D2 etc.) on our KOS lists for shooting us or neutrals in our area. The difference is they didn't pretend to be coming here to 'help'. They just straightforwardly admitted that they just want to fight and gank stuff - at least they are honest and we get some good fights with them on occasion . I see someone above has claimed Providence is a 'warzone' and therefore ASCN can legitimately shoot anyone they don't know because they dont have time to check standings/backgrounds. All I have to say on that one is LAZYNESS! I also see an ASCN member above stating that 'neutrals' flying in the area shouldn't be in combat ships. Erm - self-protection? The fact is that many (not all - but many) of these neutrals have spent a lot of time and effort working with CVA/NOS/UK/Huzzah to keep the space lanes open for everyone - including ASCN pilots! ASCN the ball is in your court. Either communicate with us and reign in your hotheads (a number of who seem to be populating this thread - with the notable exception of Riddari) or simply admit you couldn't give a damn what we and the other Providence alliances think and that this is just an exercise in boredom relief for your pilots. If you chose the second course then do not complain when CVA and our friends in Providence add you to our KOS lists and your industrialists suddenly find the region a hell of a lot more dangerous than it used to be. If your aim is to make the pipe safer your certainly going about it in completely the wrong way... If your pilots are so bored that 'ascn's dieing due to lack of targets dude' as one ASCN member commented above then why not pick on LV or BoB? Hmmmmm.... As Maggot has stated ASCN needs to clarify/change its policy very rapidly or else accept the consequences of its actions. ------------------------------ Hardin's Blog (BACK UP!)
Zuberi Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.26 17:53:00 - [117] Well, the subject is now mute as ASCN is clearly using the NBSI policy to gank in northern providence. Two members of ASCN from different corps ganked a member of the ARM alliance in neutral U'K sov space this morning. In a system that is in a dead end loop and not part of any imaginable 'pipe'. This isn't a whine, we don't mind pvp, just a clarification. -Zub
Geeknik eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.26 18:38:00 - [118] Originally by: Zuberi Well, the subject is now mute as ASCN is clearly using the NBSI policy to gank in northern providence. It's my understanding that if incidents such as this are brought to the attention of ASCN command, they will be dealt with. RE: Hardin - If ASCN's intent is to relieve boredom by picking fights with friendly alliances in the pipe, then that is news to me. Maybe I'm naive, but I honestly believe the intent is nothing more than was stated. While you strive to protect all traffic, that is not always the case and ASCN has a lot more at stake than most of the small corp traffic that passes thru. Whether this policy will help that or inflame the situation remains to be seen, but hopefully it is not too late for ASCN & the Providence locals to work this out as I have great respect for CVA/HF from my days in Northern Providence.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.26 18:55:00 - [119] Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 26/07/2006 18:56:43 Hardin: Well written post. Very nice. You and I go back to the pre-CFS days and through them. I think we both know the difference between reasoned thought and the lack thereof. Now we have ASCN sending mixed signals to various parts of the Eve Universe with their new policy involving Providence, the HED pipe, etc. They are trying to extend their influence into the A2 corridor and other areas of space which serve them no logistic or other advantage currently other than to pvp. Of course, as we know, this happens when your pilots become bored because you are napped with every entity near you that could cause a potential harm to your infrastructure, SE, RAT and The Collective being the apparent exception, both for RAT and SE's actions against ASCN and for the actions of all 3 entities against HF, another napped entity of ASCN. Giventhat FIX standings were adjusted by Cyvok to originally -1 because Cyvok felt that FIX did not deserve positive standings anymore because they were "too small" or "not relevant" or whatever the specific reason (Avernus has expounded on this previously and I defer to him in this regard), even though, as I should point out, FIX was not at that time engaging or otherwise acting in a hostile manner towards ASCN, how long do you think it will be before he decides that smaller alliances like yours and others that inhabit the Providence region will receive short shrift and considered "too small", "not relevant", etc? HED is a perfect example of the thought process of ASCN. They come first to FIX space and engage regularly. When we return the favor by hunting them in HED we are pirates. Standings then adjusted to -5. Basically, you folks have been successful in the Providence region with the experiment that CFS failed so miserably at. Now ASCN threaten do disturb this success and expect everyone in the area to cow tow to their wishes and desires, or they too will be considered "pirates" and set to -5 or whatever. It is an interesting philosophy that ASCN is espousing, one that is not unusual in space controlled by an entity, but one that is entirely unusual in an area claimed by other alliances that they are theoretically friendly with. In closing, I think it should be pointed out that what you hear from ASCN command in this thread is much different from what you hear from their pilots who are growing bored without targets of opportunity close to home. It is these targets of opportunity that cause ASCN to attempt to justify their newfound Providence policy. More targets equals happy pvpers. In the end this is what ASCN is really saying behind the convoluted system adopted by ASCN in Cyvok's original post. This is so because ASCN, a huge alliance, cannot be bothered to wage war with those to its north (napped) or immediate east (napped) for fear they might actually have to fight a real fight like they did with the former G alliance. It is simply easier for them to choose those many "targets of opportunity" that are easily attacked to satisfy their pilots thirst for pvp. Nothing wrong with this, as I have stated in earlier posts. Just do not be deceived by the rhetoric of protecting "vital" shipping lanes, etc. It is what it is, and ASCN do the Eve Community a disservice by claiming otherwise. Hardin, I wish you and yours the best and hope it all works out for the best in the end. Somehow, though, I tend to believe that your alliance policy, being diametrically opposed to that of ASCN's in this matter, will result in unforeseen and unnecessary consequences. I hope I am wrong.
Katjia Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.26 19:40:00 - [120] Edited by: Katjia on 26/07/2006 19:44:21 Put it simple i am in AXE i am part of provi com...i was and will be provi com first then AXE dunno if i get in a tussle with the higher ups bought it but tbh i don't care. Those "axe pos's popping up" have been ther just are more visible now. And for a breif history lesson prov com was originally prov war created by XF then ascn. ASCN did a lil standings thing ****ed some peeps off and thus prov com was created. This was b4 cva did ther thing on the other side of provi. Some of provi coms forces were rerdeployed deeper into 0.0 due to joining allainces and going ther own ways. UK filled in the gap....which brings us to the present. edit: the original purpose was of provi war/com was to keep the highway clear and allow neutrals to flourish in the hopes that they would keep the lanes clear so that alliance pvp forces would not be bogged down in providence. Almost a BOB/fountain thing but a bit nicer cus no alliance was in the region to begin with. I calculated the odds of this succeeding versus the odds I was doing something incredibly stupid... and I went ahead anyway.

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