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CYVOK Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.22 23:36:00 - [1] Their are a great many Corps/Players that reside and do business in the Catch & Providence Regions that have taken note of a much stronger ASCN & AXE presence. We are not in the area to Gank, despite what many think. We are hunting known Pirate organizations and Enemies that have made the area their "Home". If you are a "Friendly" Corp feel free to send CYVOK an EvE mail stating as much. In general ASCN will not set standings to a CorpÆs operating "solo" in 0.0 so please have a Friendly Alliance back up your claim. Ushra'Khan & Huzza Federation are 2 such AllianceÆs who's standings we will honor if they vouch for you. ASCN standings can be viewed at www.celestial-horizon.net/standings -Works ingame as well -In General AXE & ASCN follow the same standings. Our ROE include NBSI in 0.0. -On the "pipe" (Travel routes in Providence & Catch) ASCN & AXE DO NOT attack and kill "neutral" non-combat vessels. In other words haulers that show as neutral we will leave alone unless they are suspected as being used as enemy scouts. -Members showing as neutral to ASCN & AXE that are in a ship capable of being used in Combat will be engaged. NOOB CORP's ARE NOT NEUTRALS. NOOB CORP players are always considered KOS in 0.0 for the sake of ASCN & AXE. In a great many cases members of ASCN/AXE enemy Corps have taken to "Corp Jumping" to avoid getting shot at by ASCN members. Be aware that if a long time enemy Corp or Member joins a friendly Alliance/Corp ASCN will still engage that member. We will also engage players that appear to be scouting for Enemy gangs or openly posting ASCN activities in local/(or their Corp chat if our "spies" can see it). I apologize for the complexity of all this, but please understand that players in this universe are doing just about everything they can think of lately to avoid risk to themselves while perusing anti-ASCN/AXE goals. Its unfortunate that so few in EvE these days will meet on a field of battle without using sploits or underhanded tactics. This is our way of attempting to counter such activities. Respectfully -CYVOK- Ascendant Frontier
Sovy Kurosei Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.22 23:44:00 - [2] Quote: -On the "pipe" (Travel routes in Providence & Catch) ASCN & AXE DO NOT attack and kill "neutral" non-combat vessels. In other words haulers that show as neutral we will leave alone unless they are suspected as being used as enemy scouts. -Members showing as neutral to ASCN & AXE that are in a ship capable of being used in Combat will be engaged. I'm assuming, besides shuttles, industrials and freightors, that all other ships are combat vessels? ___________________
Grimpak Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.22 23:58:00 - [3] I can see the flammage in the horizon.... don't ask me why, but I can see people not wasting a chance to flame cyvok ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
Nez Perces Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.23 00:21:00 - [4] /emote flames CYVOK just for the hell of it..... no wait... this is none of my business...
Mtthias Clemi Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.23 00:25:00 - [5] Doesent seem confusing to me...
Cattraknoff Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.23 00:56:00 - [6] Originally by: Sovy Kurosei Quote: -On the "pipe" (Travel routes in Providence & Catch) ASCN & AXE DO NOT attack and kill "neutral" non-combat vessels. In other words haulers that show as neutral we will leave alone unless they are suspected as being used as enemy scouts. -Members showing as neutral to ASCN & AXE that are in a ship capable of being used in Combat will be engaged. I'm assuming, besides shuttles, industrials and freightors, that all other ships are combat vessels? those and barges, yep.
Xeriuz Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.23 00:59:00 - [7] Edited by: Xeriuz on 23/07/2006 00:59:56 so basicly you can kill anyone you see and just say one of the exuses that you sayd here above. GJ ______________________________________________ X You Never Know What You Have Until You Lose It
Xachariah Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.23 09:41:00 - [8] Edited by: Xachariah on 23/07/2006 09:42:11 Quote: We are not in the area to Gank, despite what many think. We are hunting known Pirate organizations and Enemies that have made the area their "Home". While this goal generally is a good one and is being appreciated, it turns out that the way things are handled actually make everything worse. Or said another way, we or friends of us have now lost more ships to ASCN than to said pirate organisations, even though we are definatly not part of them. As you probably know, Catch and Providence have long been home to the "Prov Com", a losely band of corps that reside peacefully in this area without being an alliance. As far as I know, there were even pilots of yours flying with Prov Com Members in military actions. Now all of a sudden, we get shot. We, of course, always knew that your policy allows you to shoot neutral combat vessels, however this was hardly a problem ever. Now you camp the pipe and shoot pilots that would have formerly stood beside you in actions against such pirate organisations. Now these pilots even start to form hunting parties, because they can't freely pass the gates. I do not know your exact goal, but I cannot imagine that this is part of it. Besides that, there were reports of corps being shot, even though they are listed as positive on your standings-site. What do you think we should do? Most corps in Catch/Providence reside there because they do not want to be part of an alliance, so it's kinda hard to get a positive standing to you. On the other hand, we have lived here for quite some time and surely won't just leave or lay low. If your goal truely is to get rid of some 'bad boys' down here, you may have to start thinking about the way things are handled. Because actually most people start to think that this is just pirating of yours backed up by diplomatic reasons. A thought that even I - who has been respecting ASCN a lot - find hard to argument against. Edit: I should add that I am in no position whatsoever to say anything in the name of ProCom or any other corp that resides down here, besides our own.
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.23 09:50:00 - [9] Originally by: Xeriuz Edited by: Xeriuz on 23/07/2006 00:59:56 so basicly you can kill anyone you see and just say one of the exuses that you sayd here above. GJ Go on our killboard, look at the losses and the corps involved and you will see the number of "neutral" corps involved in those losses as opposed to our "declared" enemies and you would understand this approach.
Darko1107 Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.23 09:53:00 - [10] Why oh why do i feel asif im playing the most boring game in the world every time i read your posts. Now your imparting ASCN "wisdom" on other alliance leaders that are going to have dozens of small corps bombarding thier diplomats with "can you vouch for me please". Wooooo. ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Trakh Shardan Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.23 11:04:00 - [11] Originally by: Darko1107 Why oh why do i feel asif im playing the most boring game in the world every time i read your posts. Now your imparting ASCN "wisdom" on other alliance leaders that are going to have dozens of small corps bombarding thier diplomats with "can you vouch for me please". Wooooo. I love you darko \o/ and CYVOK we all know what you whana say COL RAT. and SE are doing ya heads in and you wil sent more pvpers after em..
RutsDC TOHA Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.07.23 11:11:00 - [12] Originally by: CYVOK We are not in the area to Gank, despite what many think. We are hunting known Pirate organizations and Enemies that have made the area their "Home". And everyone else who's flying anything with a gun on it.
Whoturned Outthelights	Posted - 2006.07.23 18:14:00 - [13] Originally by: Darko1107 Now your imparting ASCN "wisdom" on other alliance leaders that are going to have dozens of small corps bombarding thier diplomats with "can you vouch for me please". I wouldn't worry about it, an alliance actually needs to control some space or be of relevance for this to apply.
Darko1107 Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.23 18:32:00 - [14] Originally by: Whoturned Outthelights Originally by: Darko1107 Now your imparting ASCN "wisdom" on other alliance leaders that are going to have dozens of small corps bombarding thier diplomats with "can you vouch for me please". I wouldn't worry about it, an alliance actually needs to control some space or be of relevance for this to apply. I clearly said i was worrying about it didnt i? Why oh why is the world full of idiots. ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Lord Spidey Hmmzor.	Posted - 2006.07.24 01:01:00 - [15] So you camp Hed with your gangs to engage pirate organization and enemies that have made HED their home? To be honest I see the perma ascn gang on Hed/Keberz ganking more innocents than actually killing any dangerous folk (bad finite!) and when the dangerous folk come along teh ascn gang jumps out
Kai page Species 5618 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.24 08:22:00 - [16] Originally by: Lord Spidey So you camp Hed with your gangs to engage pirate organization and enemies that have made HED their home? To be honest I see the perma ascn gang on Hed/Keberz ganking more innocents than actually killing any dangerous folk (bad finite!) and when the dangerous folk come along teh ascn gang jumps out So which one of the newb alts in shuttles is yours?
Mr Happ Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.24 08:33:00 - [17] Tbh, seriously, this post is a pile of crap, Catch/Providence isnt your space, why don't u stop trying to tell others how to play the game Seriously, rein your own ego in a tad here - your just gonan kill everything then say oh but our forum post wts clue
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.24 08:53:00 - [18] Originally by: Mr Happ why don't u stop trying to tell others how to play the game oh the irony - Gob [IXC] Admiral Goberius
Stella Centauri Spontaneous Defenestration	Posted - 2006.07.24 10:20:00 - [19] Strangest thing thou, being one of these "pirates" in providence, is that I havent seen any attempts by ascn to kill us . --------------------------------------- Stella - If your boss gets to choose.
DeMundus The Establishment	Posted - 2006.07.24 10:28:00 - [20] Originally by: Stella Centauri Strangest thing thou, being one of these "pirates" in providence, is that I havent seen any attempts by ascn to kill us . What she said.
Eximius Josari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.07.24 10:29:00 - [21] Edited by: Eximius Josari on 24/07/2006 10:29:33 The Hobbits are trying to save Rivendell from Orcs by killing Men in Gondor.
Krystian Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 10:42:00 - [22] We stand by our ASCN friends. __________________________________________________
Mr Happ Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.24 10:51:00 - [23] Originally by: Krystian We stand by our big alliance friends cause they can protect us is this goes bad Wicked with translations aint i?
ggdgdggdg	Posted - 2006.07.24 10:51:00 - [24] Edited by: ggdgdggdg on 24/07/2006 10:54:26 I live in Providence and would like to make a few remarks on this ASCN 'proposal' Firstly, I think it (currently) has very little impact on northern Providence - primarily the areas policed by Ushra'khan/Maelstrom and the CVA/NOS. I have seen very little evidence of increased ASCN patrols and as someone else has already highlighted they seem to be focused on the HED-GP area in Catch - which is an area nominally under Huzzah control. The fact is that apart from occasional pirate camps and a few piratical individuals northern Providence is actually pretty well policed and fairly secure 0.0 (in as much as any 0.0 can be classed as secure). It is also one of the few places where 'neutrals' (like me) can fly around pretty much unmolested by the governing alliances as long they keep their noses clean. When pirate camps are set up in the area they don't tend to last that long as the CVA/NOS and friends tend to react pretty quickly in their area - as does Ushra'khan and Maelstrom in theirs. I remember back when R3-K7K, for example, was a permanent no go due to constant pirate camps in the bottleneck - but these days it is kept open and safe by locals 99% of the time. Yes there are occasional pirate invasions and it is certainly not risk free space but personally I think the locals in northern Providence do a fantastic job keeping the area free for traffic and trade. Indeed if they didn't dedicate so much time to this task then the area would be a damn sight more dangerous for ASCN pilots than it is today! As far as I know CVA/NOS and Ushra'khan allow all neutrals and non hostile alliance traffic to pass in safety - and that currently includes ASCN pilots. I do know that if ASCN genuinely join the local alliances in killing pirates and making Providence/Catch a safer more secure place for all then their contribution will be welcomed. However, if they take their own route and do not communicate with the local alliances then there will be trouble on the horizon. It is imperative that they talk to Ushra'khan/NOS/CVA if only to clarify ground rules and KOS lists. A statement on here is just not good enough form of communication. I know that several of the border alliances in Providence class the killing of neutrals in their space as piracy. If ASCN take the law into their own hands and is not careful it could end up **ing off the local alliances and instead of making their routes to 0.0 safer they will actually end up having to fight a full scale war against entrenched alliances operating on the 0.0/Empire border. While ASCN had an easy time taking down Tribal Souls a war against the border alliances would be a whole lot more messy as they cannot really be cut off and defeated with Empire at their backs. Indeed the border alliances like Ushra'khan and CVA have a long history of working in Empire and with their hardcore RP membership are not going to fold even if ASCN nuked all their 0.0 assets. It would simply devolve into a long run and messy guerilla war with ASCN needing to permanently garrison Providence in order to secure their supply routes. Of course this is all speculation. As I mentioned at the start ASCN have shown little interest in northern Providence and so far they haven't done anything to ** the locals off - in fact their anti-pirate patrols are to be welcomed by all who wish to see a secure Providence open for all law abiding pilots wishing to NPC or mine. I just hope it stays that way and that depends very much on whether ASCN decide to throw their weight around or whether they decide to take a cooperative approach.
Krystian Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 10:52:00 - [25] Originally by: Mr Happ Originally by: Krystian We stand by our big alliance friends cause they can protect us is this goes bad Wicked with translations aint i? Wicked with smack aint you? __________________________________________________
turnschuh Eye of God	Posted - 2006.07.24 10:59:00 - [26] Originally by: ggdgdggdg Edited by: ggdgdggdg on 24/07/2006 10:54:26 I live in Providence and would like to make a few remarks on this ASCN 'proposal' Firstly, I think it (currently) has very little impact on northern Providence - primarily the areas policed by Ushra'khan/Maelstrom and the CVA/NOS. I have seen very little evidence of increased ASCN patrols and as someone else has already highlighted they seem to be focused on the HED-GP area in Catch - which is an area nominally under Huzzah control. The fact is that apart from occasional pirate camps and a few piratical individuals northern Providence is actually pretty well policed and fairly secure 0.0 (in as much as any 0.0 can be classed as secure). It is also one of the few places where 'neutrals' (like me) can fly around pretty much unmolested by the governing alliances as long they keep their noses clean. When pirate camps are set up in the area they don't tend to last that long as the CVA/NOS and friends tend to react pretty quickly in their area - as does Ushra'khan and Maelstrom in theirs. I remember back when R3-K7K, for example, was a permanent no go due to constant pirate camps in the bottleneck - but these days it is kept open and safe by locals 99% of the time. Yes there are occasional pirate invasions and it is certainly not risk free space but personally I think the locals in northern Providence do a fantastic job keeping the area free for traffic and trade. Indeed if they didn't dedicate so much time to this task then the area would be a damn sight more dangerous for ASCN pilots than it is today! As far as I know CVA/NOS and Ushra'khan allow all neutrals and non hostile alliance traffic to pass in safety - and that currently includes ASCN pilots. I do know that if ASCN genuinely join the local alliances in killing pirates and making Providence/Catch a safer more secure place for all then their contribution will be welcomed. However, if they take their own route and do not communicate with the local alliances then there will be trouble on the horizon. It is imperative that they talk to Ushra'khan/NOS/CVA if only to clarify ground rules and KOS lists. A statement on here is just not good enough form of communication. I know that several of the border alliances in Providence class the killing of neutrals in their space as piracy. If ASCN take the law into their own hands and is not careful it could end up **ing off the local alliances and instead of making their routes to 0.0 safer they will actually end up having to fight a full scale war against entrenched alliances operating on the 0.0/Empire border. While ASCN had an easy time taking down Tribal Souls a war against the border alliances would be a whole lot more messy as they cannot really be cut off and defeated with Empire at their backs. Indeed the border alliances like Ushra'khan and CVA have a long history of working in Empire and with their hardcore RP membership are not going to fold even if ASCN nuked all their 0.0 assets. It would simply devolve into a long run and messy guerilla war with ASCN needing to permanently garrison Providence in order to secure their supply routes. Of course this is all speculation. As I mentioned at the start ASCN have shown little interest in northern Providence and so far they haven't done anything to ** the locals off - in fact their anti-pirate patrols are to be welcomed by all who wish to see a secure Providence open for all law abiding pilots wishing to NPC or mine. I just hope it stays that way and that depends very much on whether ASCN decide to throw their weight around or whether they decide to take a cooperative approach. nice read, intressting and neutral opinion, rare on this forum.
Mr Happ Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.24 11:11:00 - [27] Originally by: Krystian Originally by: Mr Happ Originally by: Krystian We stand by our big alliance friends cause they can protect us is this goes bad Wicked with translations aint i? Wicked with smack aint you? Not really mate, look at it like this, all this post says - If that Huzzah annot defend there space against these so called pirates and need ASCN help - just how alot will see it i think
Whoturned Outthelights	Posted - 2006.07.24 11:12:00 - [28] Originally by: DeMundus Originally by: Stella Centauri Strangest thing thou, being one of these "pirates" in providence, is that I havent seen any attempts by ascn to kill us . What she said. You guys are not noobs and so you use ooc alts in the pipe approaching the systems you are camping and/or have ceptor pilots moving ahead of you if you dont like the odds you move to a SS. You rarely see a free roaming EST gang and if you are not roaming you are not vulnerable to getting popped for the most part unless you are a bit nubbish. I can understand why Hmmzor are a bit bitter as ascn gangs have largely prevented them from getting easy ganks in HED-GP like they used to. Times change.
Whoturned Outthelights	Posted - 2006.07.24 11:18:00 - [29] Originally by: Stella Centauri Strangest thing thou, being one of these "pirates" in providence, is that I havent seen any attempts by ascn to kill us . You guys have popped 3 ASCN ships this month as far as I can see, the biggest being a tech 1 cruiser so I fail to see why you would expect them to devote much in the way of resources to going after you.
John McCreedy Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 11:18:00 - [30] Originally by: Sovy Kurosei Quote: -On the "pipe" (Travel routes in Providence & Catch) ASCN & AXE DO NOT attack and kill "neutral" non-combat vessels. In other words haulers that show as neutral we will leave alone unless they are suspected as being used as enemy scouts. -Members showing as neutral to ASCN & AXE that are in a ship capable of being used in Combat will be engaged. I'm assuming, besides shuttles, industrials and freightors, that all other ships are combat vessels? The problem is that when we didn't engage neutrals in the pipe, those in Combat ships often abused that by attacking us. Now the problem is, as anyone who PvPs knows, is that by the time you right click -> show info -> check standings, you're dead. So unfortunately we cannot take the chance and all combat vessels will be engaged at the descrection of the pilot. Hopefully one day we'll know that when we approach a Combat vessel in the pipe, they'll be typing "hi" in local and not pressing F1, F2 etc. Make a Difference
Krystian Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 11:24:00 - [31] Originally by: Mr Happ Not really mate, look at it like this, all this post says - If that Huzzah annot defend there space against these so called pirates and need ASCN help - just how alot will see it i think Well allot more going on obviously now than meets the eye. I can comment no more. I am meerly making a statement of our support of ASCN. __________________________________________________
Rawthorm Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.24 11:49:00 - [32] This thread is utter nonsense. I think its more likely that ASCN/AXE pos deployments in the region are just securing jump points for their carriers to jump safely through. These thinly vailed anti-pirate operations wont last for long.
Zhon Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2006.07.24 11:54:00 - [33] Aside from the recent misunderstanding and acts of aggression between FOFF and ASCN they have been great to have around. Before said conflict we camped and roamed around the pipe with them many times. I can assure you that they do not run from a good fight and are very reliable in even joint battles against organized enemies. It is nice to have competent combat pilots around. Hope to do some more killing with you guys. Good to be home. Kind of missed that smell of exhaust fume at the pirates turned tail and run. ---------
Mariko San	Posted - 2006.07.24 12:23:00 - [34] Originally by: Rawthorm This thread is utter nonsense. I think its more likely that ASCN/AXE pos deployments in the region are just securing jump points for their carriers to jump safely through. These thinly vailed anti-pirate operations wont last for long. Actually the main reason for them is boredom. Like most other large alliances ASCN is making its preparations for Kali and suffering the usual summer lull in activity amongst members. It therefore does not want to get dragged into any major hostilities at this time which leaves it with actions against SE/RAT/Coll (who are rarely evident in any sort of numbers) or going down the pipe looking for pirates to scrap with.
ggdgdggdg	Posted - 2006.07.24 13:01:00 - [35] Originally by: turnschuh I live in Providence and would like to make a few remarks on this ASCN 'proposal' Firstly, I think it (currently) has very little impact on northern Providence - primarily the areas policed by Ushra'khan/Maelstrom and the CVA/NOS. I have seen very little evidence of increased ASCN patrols and as someone else has already highlighted they seem to be focused on the HED-GP area in Catch - which is an area nominally under Huzzah control. The fact is that apart from occasional pirate camps and a few piratical individuals northern Providence is actually pretty well policed and fairly secure 0.0 (in as much as any 0.0 can be classed as secure). It is also one of the few places where 'neutrals' (like me) can fly around pretty much unmolested by the governing alliances as long they keep their noses clean. When pirate camps are set up in the area they don't tend to last that long as the CVA/NOS and friends tend to react pretty quickly in their area - as does Ushra'khan and Maelstrom in theirs. I remember back when R3-K7K, for example, was a permanent no go due to constant pirate camps in the bottleneck - but these days it is kept open and safe by locals 99% of the time. Yes there are occasional pirate invasions and it is certainly not risk free space but personally I think the locals in northern Providence do a fantastic job keeping the area free for traffic and trade. Indeed if they didn't dedicate so much time to this task then the area would be a damn sight more dangerous for ASCN pilots than it is today! As far as I know CVA/NOS and Ushra'khan allow all neutrals and non hostile alliance traffic to pass in safety - and that currently includes ASCN pilots. I do know that if ASCN genuinely join the local alliances in killing pirates and making Providence/Catch a safer more secure place for all then their contribution will be welcomed. However, if they take their own route and do not communicate with the local alliances then there will be trouble on the horizon. It is imperative that they talk to Ushra'khan/NOS/CVA if only to clarify ground rules and KOS lists. A statement on here is just not good enough form of communication. I know that several of the border alliances in Providence class the killing of neutrals in their space as piracy. If ASCN take the law into their own hands and is not careful it could end up **ing off the local alliances and instead of making their routes to 0.0 safer they will actually end up having to fight a full scale war against entrenched alliances operating on the 0.0/Empire border. While ASCN had an easy time taking down Tribal Souls a war against the border alliances would be a whole lot more messy as they cannot really be cut off and defeated with Empire at their backs. Indeed the border alliances like Ushra'khan and CVA have a long history of working in Empire and with their hardcore RP membership are not going to fold even if ASCN nuked all their 0.0 assets. It would simply devolve into a long run and messy guerilla war with ASCN needing to permanently garrison Providence in order to secure their supply routes. Of course this is all speculation. As I mentioned at the start ASCN have shown little interest in northern Providence and so far they haven't done anything to ** the locals off - in fact their anti-pirate patrols are to be welcomed by all who wish to see a secure Providence open for all law abiding pilots wishing to NPC or mine. I just hope it stays that way and that depends very much on whether ASCN decide to throw their weight around or whether they decide to take a cooperative approach. nice read, intressting and neutral opinion, rare on this forum. I try
Ange1 Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.24 14:16:00 - [36] Lies, all of it lies!. Clearly Northern Providence belongs to The Establishment =P The Establishment is at your service...
Lord Spidey Hmmzor.	Posted - 2006.07.24 14:41:00 - [37] Originally by: Kai page Originally by: Lord Spidey So you camp Hed with your gangs to engage pirate organization and enemies that have made HED their home? To be honest I see the perma ascn gang on Hed/Keberz ganking more innocents than actually killing any dangerous folk (bad finite!) and when the dangerous folk come along teh ascn gang jumps out So which one of the newb alts in shuttles is yours? I'm the person your camp flees from and beleive it or not I dont show up in a shuttle. Of course checking killboards would have shown this but ill assume your stupid, clueless and/or lazy. Thanks for your time
Whoturned Outthelights	Posted - 2006.07.24 17:33:00 - [38] Originally by: Lord Spidey Originally by: Kai page Originally by: Lord Spidey So you camp Hed with your gangs to engage pirate organization and enemies that have made HED their home? To be honest I see the perma ascn gang on Hed/Keberz ganking more innocents than actually killing any dangerous folk (bad finite!) and when the dangerous folk come along teh ascn gang jumps out So which one of the newb alts in shuttles is yours? I'm the person your camp flees from and beleive it or not I dont show up in a shuttle. Of course checking killboards would have shown this but ill assume your stupid, clueless and/or lazy. Thanks for your time Really? Everytime I have seen you its been to warp in to a BM at 350km from the Keberz gate before fleeing on an insta into SV5.
Wizard Without Reason	Posted - 2006.07.24 18:31:00 - [39] Originally by: DeMundus Originally by: Stella Centauri Strangest thing thou, being one of these "pirates" in providence, is that I havent seen any attempts by ascn to kill us . What she said. I can confirm ascn/axe plans as true, me being the peacefull npcer/industrialist ive always strived to be was atacked in an unprovoked manner in providence 2 nights ago. For someunknown reason my insta i used whilst flying without scout landed me of gate and i was duely scrambled/webbed by a pilgrim ship from ascn. After aggressing to meerly defend myself against this pirate i was jammed and 7-8 other craft from ascn pirate aliance jumped in to help my pod releive itself from my ship. Being 1 of the peacefull corporations in the area who wouldnt say boo to a goose i emplore the mighty cyvokk to reimburse me for my loss. At present no corp ops are being carryed out as we are having group meetings to help me through the trauma in my troubled time. Wish me all the best fellas Without Reason corp website ^^looking for a PvP corp with little stress then look no further.
Grimpak Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.24 18:47:00 - [40] Originally by: Wizard Originally by: DeMundus Originally by: Stella Centauri Strangest thing thou, being one of these "pirates" in providence, is that I havent seen any attempts by ascn to kill us . What she said. I can confirm ascn/axe plans as true, me being the peacefull npcer/industrialist ive always strived to be was atacked in an unprovoked manner in providence 2 nights ago. For someunknown reason my insta i used whilst flying without scout landed me of gate and i was duely scrambled/webbed by a pilgrim ship from ascn. After aggressing to meerly defend myself against this pirate i was jammed and 7-8 other craft from ascn pirate aliance jumped in to help my pod releive itself from my ship. Being 1 of the peacefull corporations in the area who wouldnt say boo to a goose i emplore the mighty cyvokk to reimburse me for my loss. At present no corp ops are being carryed out as we are having group meetings to help me through the trauma in my troubled time. Wish me all the best fellas good man, the ASCN reimbruisment and refund program gladly awards you one piece of for your loss. May you recover fast and please come again! take it lightly as I took your post plz ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
Wierd Beard Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.07.24 18:51:00 - [41] Originally by: John McCreedy Originally by: Sovy Kurosei Quote: -On the "pipe" (Travel routes in Providence & Catch) ASCN & AXE DO NOT attack and kill "neutral" non-combat vessels. In other words haulers that show as neutral we will leave alone unless they are suspected as being used as enemy scouts. -Members showing as neutral to ASCN & AXE that are in a ship capable of being used in Combat will be engaged. I'm assuming, besides shuttles, industrials and freightors, that all other ships are combat vessels? The problem is that when we didn't engage neutrals in the pipe, those in Combat ships often abused that by attacking us. Now the problem is, as anyone who PvPs knows, is that by the time you right click -> show info -> check standings, you're dead. So unfortunately we cannot take the chance and all combat vessels will be engaged at the descrection of the pilot. Hopefully one day we'll know that when we approach a Combat vessel in the pipe, they'll be typing "hi" in local and not pressing F1, F2 etc. Soooo...what you're saying is that ASCN is enforcing NBSI in someone else's space? Interesting.
Wizard Without Reason	Posted - 2006.07.24 19:01:00 - [42] Originally by: Grimpak good man, the ASCN reimbruisment and refund program gladly awards you one piece of for your loss. May you recover fast and please come again! take it lightly as I took your post plz How much is 1 bit of trit worth? id rather you transfer the isk to my account. If i dont see my wallet flash im gonna come hunting, ny carebear days are over.....guns WILL be strapped to my ships. Without Reason corp website ^^looking for a PvP corp with little stress then look no further.
Grimpak Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.24 19:47:00 - [43] Originally by: Wizard Originally by: Grimpak good man, the ASCN reimbruisment and refund program gladly awards you one piece of for your loss. May you recover fast and please come again! take it lightly as I took your post plz How much is 1 bit of trit worth? id rather you transfer the isk to my account. If i dont see my wallet flash im gonna come hunting, ny carebear days are over.....guns WILL be strapped to my ships. I am truely sorry, but our department has a VERY tight budgement ....for some reason most of the dividends are used in the "regional development department". Don't understand why tho, since I don't know what this "Regional Development" thing is. ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
Lord Spidey Hmmzor.	Posted - 2006.07.24 19:59:00 - [44] Originally by: Whoturned Outthelights Originally by: Lord Spidey Originally by: Kai page Originally by: Lord Spidey So you camp Hed with your gangs to engage pirate organization and enemies that have made HED their home? To be honest I see the perma ascn gang on Hed/Keberz ganking more innocents than actually killing any dangerous folk (bad finite!) and when the dangerous folk come along teh ascn gang jumps out So which one of the newb alts in shuttles is yours? I'm the person your camp flees from and beleive it or not I dont show up in a shuttle. Of course checking killboards would have shown this but ill assume your stupid, clueless and/or lazy. Thanks for your time Really? Everytime I have seen you its been to warp in to a BM at 350km from the Keberz gate before fleeing on an insta into SV5. dunno y im even replying but im sure you took the time to notice my sec status wont even let me in empire
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.24 20:01:00 - [45] Originally by: Lord Spidey Originally by: Whoturned Outthelights Really? Everytime I have seen you its been to warp in to a BM at 350km from the Keberz gate before fleeing on an insta into SV5. dunno y im even replying but im sure you took the time to notice my sec status wont even let me in empire It's a shame however that you didn't take the time to read what WO posted properly. Warping to a BM at 350km from the Keberz gate before fleeting on insta into SV5. What system would you be in to begin with? Of course, HED-GP. What security level is HED-GP? That's right - 0.0! TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Lord Spidey Hmmzor.	Posted - 2006.07.24 20:06:00 - [46] So i fly to hed from deep curse in my raven...warp to gate @ 350 then turn around and warp back to sv5? does that make any sense to you? more like i fly to hed -> warp into ascn bubble -> ascn tries to jam my raven and unanchor bubble -> jamming doesnt work -> ascn flees -> i get a free bubble. if youd like more accurate info sar i have plenty of fraps id love to show you demonstrating ascns tactics
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.24 20:08:00 - [47] Originally by: Lord Spidey So i fly to hed from deep curse in my raven...warp to gate @ 350 then turn around and warp back to sv5? does that make any sense to you? more like i fly to hed -> warp into ascn bubble -> ascn tries to jam my raven and unanchor bubble -> jamming doesnt work -> ascn flees -> i get a free bubble. if youd like more accurate info sar i have plenty of fraps id love to show you demonstrating ascns tactics I wasn't disputing what you do (I have no idea tbh), it was more the "That's a load of crap as I can't enter empire" when he wasn't saying you could in the first place. And yes, everyone knows how ASCN fights. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Lord Spidey Hmmzor.	Posted - 2006.07.24 20:12:00 - [48] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Lord Spidey So i fly to hed from deep curse in my raven...warp to gate @ 350 then turn around and warp back to sv5? does that make any sense to you? more like i fly to hed -> warp into ascn bubble -> ascn tries to jam my raven and unanchor bubble -> jamming doesnt work -> ascn flees -> i get a free bubble. if youd like more accurate info sar i have plenty of fraps id love to show you demonstrating ascns tactics My apologies. Watching the clock tick down till i can leave work makes me antsy I wasn't disputing what you do (I have no idea tbh), it was more the "That's a load of crap as I can't enter empire" when he wasn't saying you could in the first place. And yes, everyone knows how ASCN fights.
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.24 20:23:00 - [49] Originally by: Lord Spidey I'm in the UK mate - it's 9:20pm :) TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.24 20:28:00 - [50] Originally by: Lord Spidey So i fly to hed from deep curse in my raven...warp to gate @ 350 then turn around and warp back to sv5? does that make any sense to you? more like i fly to hed -> warp into ascn bubble -> ascn tries to jam my raven and unanchor bubble -> jamming doesnt work -> ascn flees -> i get a free bubble. if youd like more accurate info sar i have plenty of fraps id love to show you demonstrating ascns tactics You should have tackled them all and soloed the camp tbh, you are not cool enough :( P.S.: hey sarmaul I made a reply you can postfarm some more now :p - Gob [IXC] Admiral Goberius
Murukan Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.24 20:37:00 - [51] Heh enforcing nbsi in other's territories now? How is that not ganking? If you don't want to be viewed as gankers you should prolly reign in Species who seem to have taken it upon themselves to gank everything in sight and say "oh sorry you have a gun on your ship we did this for our protection" What a load of tosh In rust we trust!!!
Roz Gammas	Posted - 2006.07.24 20:57:00 - [52] Edited by: Roz Gammas on 24/07/2006 21:01:30 Mispost
Major Pothead	Posted - 2006.07.24 21:00:00 - [53] 2006.07.24 15:13 Being sarcastic and insulting will get you nowhere! I will not adjust standings until IÆm told to. Simple as that...... -------------------- 2006.07.23 21:02 Whatever floats yer boat pilot. Being a pvp corp does not just allow you to pod kill people in y-m, maybe it does maybe it doesnt. But some people consider that borderline piracy. Whenever Cyvok gets done reading his mail again hopefuly we will get the proper standing adjustments. As far as the war rules go. Ignorance is not an excuse for the law. This matter has been brought to your attention and I hope that you pass the word down the chain. I have several friends in the ASCN alliance and have informed Cyvok of mishaps such as these. And it will be dealt with by expulsion from ASCN to any Corp that does not wish to obey their engagment policies. I would recomend that you speak with them on this matter if you have not been informed. I mean no disrepsect to you in this evemail it is merly a formality. I hope that one day my pilots will trust yours in the same skies. However with I am not so sure that can be done at this point. We did not expect to be told "such is life" from a fellow anti-pirate corp. I hope that when you read this, you feel not anger, but understanding. We are balls to bones anti pirate. If we were to have engaged your pilots and killed them, you would have been responded by a swift payment for losses. Not that im asking you to do so. But this is how the 420th operates. If after reading this mail, you and your corp wich to continue hostilites theres nothing we can say that will change your mind. But I hope you understand that the reason for this mail is not malice but an attpemt to let you know how we feel. We hold no grudges now, but if it happens again we will not be quick to forgive. Please adjust standings, send corp mails, whever you have to do. But the 420th will be back in Prov as we have been months ago. I hope that our missiles are aimed at the same targets, not each other. Respectfuly CEO and Founder: 420th Special Operations Major Pothead ------------------ 2006.07.23 14:42 Species is a pvp corp and our members go strickly by standings. As soon as you have standings with ASCA Species will not attack. The fact that he was in a non combat ship does not matter. We attack all neutrals. If ASCN rules have changed in this matter, I have yet to be informed. Also, Inzi is no longer with Species. He went to another corp. Cujo / Creon -------------------- 2006.07.17 04:24 I would like to inform you that you member InZi has engaged a hauler from my corporation the 420th Special Operations. It had been brought to her attention that we are currently working on getting our stanings to a positive with ASCN and I would really appriciate if you would repramand her for attacking a neutral corp while being in a non combat oriented ship. I am well aware of ASCN's war policy and it doesnt not allow the attacking of neuts in non combat ships. Thank you for your time. C.E.O and Founder 420th Special Operations Major Pothead. 888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888 This shows you how far some of the ASCN members go to not engage friendly corps. None of this info has been altered and i didnt even wanna give out my name cuz i didnt wanna get KOS to ASCN for posting this. But if ASCN wants to hate me too for being worried about weather I can be in Prov to help defend it aginst pirates then so be it. I dont want to fight with you guys but I personaly dont want to spend my game time not being able to a place i call PVP home. No where in my mails with Creon was i insulting or sarcastic. and thats the type of reply i get. (Notice the part where he says: The fact that he was in a non combat ship does not matter. We attack all neutrals. If ASCN rules have changed in this matter, I have yet to be informed.) C.E.O and Founder: 420th Special Operations Major Potheadnullnull[
C4w3 Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.25 02:00:00 - [54] Cyvok ---> Therefor i am back ;0) nice to be home ;=) Oh and im friendly ... The best of days. "If all the heroes are standing together around a strange device and begin to taunt me, I will pull out a conventional one.
Lexa A Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 03:29:00 - [55] /me hugs c4
Gunsnroses Hmmzor.	Posted - 2006.07.25 05:43:00 - [56] Originally by: Zhon Aside from the recent misunderstanding and acts of aggression between FOFF and ASCN they have been great to have around. Before said conflict we camped and roamed around the pipe with them many times. I can assure you that they do not run from a good fight and are very reliable in even joint battles against organized enemies. It is nice to have competent combat pilots around. Hope to do some more killing with you guys. Good to be home. Kind of missed that smell of exhaust fume at the pirates turned tail and run. Lies. I've yet to have them stay for a fight. Run Run Little Ark miners.
Wgaf	Posted - 2006.07.25 05:59:00 - [57] Quote: We are not in the area to Gank, despite what many think. So far you are just Running and getting ganked... Stay in carebearLand for your own safety. And post lossmails damnit.
Stems Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 06:30:00 - [58] Edited by: Stems on 25/07/2006 06:32:16 Originally by: Wgaf Quote: We are not in the area to Gank, despite what many think. So far you are just Running and getting ganked... Stay in carebearLand for your own safety. And post lossmails damnit. Please, not this again. it's gotten old
Xachariah Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.25 08:43:00 - [59] Quote: -On the "pipe" (Travel routes in Providence & Catch) ASCN & AXE DO NOT attack and kill "neutral" non-combat vessels. In other words haulers that show as neutral we will leave alone unless they are suspected as being used as enemy scouts. -Members showing as neutral to ASCN & AXE that are in a ship capable of being used in Combat will be engaged. Quote: The fact that he was in a non combat ship does not matter. We attack all neutrals. Which one?
Sku1ly STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.25 10:16:00 - [60] Originally by: Wizard I can confirm ascn/axe plans as true, me being the peacefull npcer/industrialist ive always strived to be was atacked in an unprovoked manner in providence 2 nights ago. For someunknown reason my insta i used whilst flying without scout landed me of gate and i was duely scrambled/webbed by a pilgrim ship from ascn. After aggressing to meerly defend myself against this pirate i was jammed and 7-8 other craft from ascn pirate aliance jumped in to help my pod releive itself from my ship. Wish me all the best fellas :o STK-S Website
Tarantella Serpantine The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.25 11:14:00 - [61] I fail to see what peoples problem is with ASCN operating an NBSI policy in catch. If you're worried about getting killed, then either get +ve or go back to empire, neither one is impossible to do. Although based on the majority of negative responces i doubt many people who have posted here are openly worried about it based on their comments on how they percieve ASCN's combat abilities. In which case they're complaining for the sake of complaining at ASCN, which really is no grounds for anything reasonable. So really you have to decide; either you're afraid of getting killed by us, or you're just being unreasonable :p Oh and to the piracy comments, ASCN policy is not to kill neutral non-combat vessels, and that if you want +ve standings then talk to cyvok or one of our diplomats. IF (as someone posted) you have a problem with A pilot killing a neutral hauler or yours, then your problem is with the pilot not the policy. (that example of a neutral hauler kill was only 22 hours after this statement was made, if you have a way io immediately informing 4000+ ascn&axe members of this change, and making sure they understand it, i'd like to know about it) -- Love is the Law, Love under Will
Stella Centauri Spontaneous Defenestration	Posted - 2006.07.25 11:18:00 - [62] Originally by: Tarantella Serpantine i doubt many people who have posted here are openly worried about it QFT --------------------------------------- Stella - If your boss gets to choose.
Whoturned Outthelights	Posted - 2006.07.25 11:25:00 - [63] Originally by: Gunsnroses Originally by: Zhon Aside from the recent misunderstanding and acts of aggression between FOFF and ASCN they have been great to have around. Before said conflict we camped and roamed around the pipe with them many times. I can assure you that they do not run from a good fight and are very reliable in even joint battles against organized enemies. It is nice to have competent combat pilots around. Hope to do some more killing with you guys. Good to be home. Kind of missed that smell of exhaust fume at the pirates turned tail and run. Lies. I've yet to have them stay for a fight. Run Run Little Ark miners. Cant be bothered to relog onto other character but seriously I have been in HED a number of times and each time I have seen you guys you warp into spy out the gate at extreme range, hang around for a minute, smack local and bit and then run off. You only engage when you have the advantage the same as everyone else does. Why smack other people just because they can bring a bigger gang than you can. You are no more interested in a "fair fight" than anyone else I have come across. How many of those haulers you gank give you a fair fight?
Maggot Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.25 11:43:00 - [64] The problem is this: Northen Providence is policed by the locals - all of whom do not employ NBSI policy against combat ships or haulers. They engage based on evidence and investigation. Now ASCN roll through and will shoot anything based on thier own NBSI policy regardless of the local sovereignty and policing methods. From accounts in the local channels ASCN in the last two weeks have been killing or hunting more locals than the combined forces of all pirates in this region. ASCN's good name has been spoiled in the eyes of the providence community as its pilots are actively hunting neutrals as opposed to shooting ships that pose a threat during escort missions. To stop the death of innocents U'K has provided ASCN with a list of its allies. U'K's focus has and always will be our fight with slavers. We will not be held responsible for the death of those killed by ASCN troops. ASCN's offer to set standings is of course a good step forward. But it is still a slap in the face for all the good folk who dwell in this dangerous border zone, and discourages those who taking their first step into these wildlands. I urge ASCN high command to revert to their prior policy, and use other methods to spot corp jumpers - U'K has the same problem but we know our foes by name. I fully support the ASCN policy regarding University graduates and other such spies being destroyed at the discretion of the pilot. Maggot.
Grimpak Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 11:54:00 - [65] Originally by: Maggot The problem is this: Northen Providence is policed by the locals - all of whom do not employ NBSI policy against combat ships or haulers. They engage based on evidence and investigation. Now ASCN roll through and will shoot anything based on thier own NBSI policy regardless of the local sovereignty and policing methods. From accounts in the local channels ASCN in the last two weeks have been killing or hunting more locals than the combined forces of all pirates in this region. ASCN's good name has been spoiled in the eyes of the providence community as its pilots are actively hunting neutrals as opposed to shooting ships that pose a threat during escort missions. To stop the death of innocents U'K has provided ASCN with a list of its allies. U'K's focus has and always will be our fight with slavers. We will not be held responsible for the death of those killed by ASCN troops. ASCN's offer to set standings is of course a good step forward. But it is still a slap in the face for all the good folk who dwell in this dangerous border zone, and discourages those who taking their first step into these wildlands. I urge ASCN high command to revert to their prior policy, and use other methods to spot corp jumpers - U'K has the same problem but we know our foes by name. I fully support the ASCN policy regarding University graduates and other such spies being destroyed at the discretion of the pilot. Maggot. hey you know our forum rep, and altho the change of RoE in ASCN seems like a bit harsh I say this: - If we come to the forums and say "we come in peace", most people will say "HEY LOOK ASCN HAS LACK OF BACKBONE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE SCUM AND THEY ARE STUPID LIL' BACKSTABBING HOBBITSES!" - If we come to the forums and say "For now on we operate an NBSI policy in our travel routes, so get your standings with us fixed.", people will come and say "HEY LOOK ASCN ARE PIRATES WITH NO REGARD FOR PEOPLE/CATS/SHEEP RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE SCUM AND THEY ARE STUPID LIL' BACKSTABBING HOBBITSES!" ...now you see the dillema. ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
Lord Spidey Hmmzor.	Posted - 2006.07.25 13:30:00 - [66] Originally by: Whoturned Outthelights Originally by: Gunsnroses Originally by: Zhon Aside from the recent misunderstanding and acts of aggression between FOFF and ASCN they have been great to have around. Before said conflict we camped and roamed around the pipe with them many times. I can assure you that they do not run from a good fight and are very reliable in even joint battles against organized enemies. It is nice to have competent combat pilots around. Hope to do some more killing with you guys. Good to be home. Kind of missed that smell of exhaust fume at the pirates turned tail and run. Lies. I've yet to have them stay for a fight. Run Run Little Ark miners. Cant be bothered to relog onto other character but seriously I have been in HED a number of times and each time I have seen you guys you warp into spy out the gate at extreme range, hang around for a minute, smack local and bit and then run off. Well your definately not an ascn member mr. alt. Prolly RA. p.s. we have fraps of our attempted fight with ASCN and its same old same old
Oosel Nightmare Holdings Armorum Unitas	Posted - 2006.07.25 13:46:00 - [67] i will contact cyvok as suggested to prevent any incidents on behalf of our alliance and although it looks like ascn are rolling through prov on looking further into it the northern half as yet, hasnt been hampered that much by it and with the likes of ushra, nov odus, cva and maelstrom pretty much policing the areas very well would it not make sense for all of those involved in the non pirate activities to actually band together rather than get involved in tackling each other..... seems like you are all doing the same thing why not use your combined intel/patrols to make an even more effective deterant just a thought mind
Avernus Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 14:17:00 - [68] Tbh, I don't know why ASCN is bothering to put all the trimmings on their ROE in Catch and Providence... it doesn't make sense really, the vast majority of neutrals are simply going to be targets, and if they seek to defend themselves, or retaliate, then they'll find themselves on the list of ASCN enemies in short order. Honestly... what is the point of this whole song and dance routine? Actions speak far louder than any mincing of words or thoughts you've tried to communicate here. ASCN's armor is going to require a lot more polish if you want to be that 'shining knight'. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Grimpak Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 14:32:00 - [69] Originally by: Avernus ASCN's armor is going to require a lot more polish if you want to be that 'shining knight'. I think we never said we wanted to be EVE's "shining knight" ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
Hardin Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.25 14:36:00 - [70] Originally by: Maggot The problem is this: Northen Providence is policed by the locals - all of whom do not employ NBSI policy against combat ships or haulers. They engage based on evidence and investigation. Now ASCN roll through and will shoot anything based on thier own NBSI policy regardless of the local sovereignty and policing methods. From accounts in the local channels ASCN in the last two weeks have been killing or hunting more locals than the combined forces of all pirates in this region. ASCN's good name has been spoiled in the eyes of the providence community as its pilots are actively hunting neutrals as opposed to shooting ships that pose a threat during escort missions. To stop the death of innocents U'K has provided ASCN with a list of its allies. U'K's focus has and always will be our fight with slavers. We will not be held responsible for the death of those killed by ASCN troops. ASCN's offer to set standings is of course a good step forward. But it is still a slap in the face for all the good folk who dwell in this dangerous border zone, and discourages those who taking their first step into these wildlands. I urge ASCN high command to revert to their prior policy, and use other methods to spot corp jumpers - U'K has the same problem but we know our foes by name. I fully support the ASCN policy regarding University graduates and other such spies being destroyed at the discretion of the pilot. Maggot. Although Maggot is a dirty Minmatar terrorist whom I detest (IC ofc) I have to say that in this instance he is 100% correct. Maggot: "Northen Providence is policed by the locals - all of whom do not employ NBSI policy against combat ships or haulers. They engage based on evidence and investigation." The fact is that CVA space has always been open to well behaved neutrals. Many of these neutrals ACTIVELY help us to combat pirates and other troublemakers. We specifically launched the Deliverance project as an extension of the Amarrian Empire. We have created a region where law-abiding pilots can mine hunt and travel in relative safety. Unlike most other 0.0 alliances we do not operate NBSI. We generally give people the benefit of the doubt until the point the cause trouble. This system has worked for 18 months thanks to much hard work on our and our friends part. NBSI is a tool of the gung-ho, the lazy and the indisciplined. So far there have been few 'incidents' with ASCN primarily because their patrols are less frequent in the western Providence pipe. However those incidents that have occured to date have so far been settled amicably. Nevertheless this is not a stable situation and wont be unless ASCN change their policy or at least communicate openly with the local alliances on KOS lists. The CVA already has alliances such as LV, BoB, D2 and TSDS on our KOS lists due to incidents of their members pirating in our space (and to clarify we view any attack on a friendly or neutral in our space as piracy whether they are in a hauler or in a combat ship) and it would be a pity if we have to add ASCN to this list. Until now ASCN pilots have always had free access to and through our regions however if some control and discipline is not exerted over the roving patrols this will have to stop. As Oosel has pointed out above this would be a sad situation to get to. By their very nature ASCN and the Northern Providence alliances should be working cooperatively vs the various groups that attempt to restrict access to 0.0 through this region - however that requires ongoing communication rather than sweeping edicts. If Cyvok is still reading this thread then I suggest that he gets in touch with Aralis - who heads up the CVA - to discuss setting up mutual standings before something stupid happens... Similarly if ASCN have a particular problem with anyone living in our space then please let us know about it... ------------------------------ Hardin's Blog (BACK UP!)
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 14:52:00 - [71] Avernus, ASCN apparently set policy based on Cyvok's latest fantasies dreampt up during his sleep periods or the alliance actually believes it has the given right to dictate policy in areas that are not of importance to maintaining the space it holds. By way of example, I was noticing that FIX is now -5 due to "pirating the pipe," yet when they camp A2 and shoot everything there they are simply enforcing NBSI in a region they have no interest in. While I find all the pillow talk by ASCN interesting, the basic truth is that if you are not blue you will be shoot. Same here in FIX, so really no complaints. However, please quit running and logging when a force equal to yours arrives for a friendly visit bearing tea and crumpets. I hate to say it, but such actions are so uncivilized and fail to display proper etiquette. In closing, I believe this thread can easily be summed up as follows: ASCN pvp pilots are bored providing support for the ASCN mining machine. Camping NPC's can get extremely disheartening. Solution: Camp HED, camp Providence, camp A2, etc. Nothing wrong with it, but at least have the cohunas to admit it. We do so enjoy your little forays into FIX space. It keeps us alert and combat ready, plus the loot has been excellent so far. For a dead alliance like ours, we can use all the help you have been giving us, and for that I say, "Thank you." Almost forgot: Huzzah is Primary! Signature is inappropriate for the forums mail [email protected] for more info - Vanamonde
Avernus Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 15:03:00 - [72] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Avernus ASCN's armor is going to require a lot more polish if you want to be that 'shining knight'. I think we never said we wanted to be EVE's "shining knight" You're right, no such intention has ever been stated by ASCN on such a thing as far as I'm aware... it's simply a perception many people perhaps have. It might be more accurate to say, that there are two main schools of thought on ROE. There is the type of effort that you see CVA put in, and CFS before them, where every case was judged and nobody got hasty without good reason (basically very honourable behaviour in my eyes). On the other side of the fence, you have pure NBSI... no standings, shooty shooty (simple and fun, no headaches). From CYVOK's post though, it looks half assed, like he's trying to do a little bit of both in an attempt to appease both the more aggressive and the pacifistic members of ASCN. The result is a medley of the two standards of ROE, which simply doesn't work. If you want an example, use FIX. - FIX loses it's space. - ASCN drops FIX to neutral. - ASCN starts shooting FIX in HED. - CYVOK is contacted... waste of time. - FIX drops ASCN to neutral (NBSI in Catch for us). - FIX retaliates in HED. - ASCN drops FIX to -5.0 So a year of good standings go down the drain. Hey, if ASCN wanted to simply shoot at FIX, np, you've accomplished what you set out to do. But... if that wasn't your initial intention, then realise that your standings system sucks some serious ass. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Kalil d'Maelstromo The Establishment	Posted - 2006.07.25 15:17:00 - [73] Dont worry Wiz, those nasty ASCN pirates will be cleared out of Upper Prov by the combined Ushra and EST Defence Fleet. Maggot please have the fleet assembled in 9-U for departure at the appointed time. Ofcourse I and other EST members will have set standings between our respective parties at +10. Please inform me once this has commenced so that no 'friendly' targets will be wrongfuly engaged. I'll be waiting for your comms in 4B ************************ Originally by:** Deb Loblaw Anybody who demands a reach around is just a greedy bastich, if you ask me. If you wanted satisfaction, you should have been on top.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.25 15:29:00 - [74] Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor However, please quit running and logging when a force equal to yours arrives for a friendly visit bearing tea and crumpets. I hate to say it, but such actions are so uncivilized and fail to display proper etiquette. Look you guys have my sympathy and I dont wanna start flamage with FIX here but, I came to 9cg 3 times and you guys did the exact same so maybe you should keep your clever comments to yourself... - Gob [IXC] Admiral Goberius
Helganstandt Finis Lumen	Posted - 2006.07.25 16:12:00 - [75] Didn't ASCN run like 3 Freighters through HED last night? Or was I smoking something and just imagined one of our allies telling me that? ________________________________
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 16:18:00 - [76] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor However, please quit running and logging when a force equal to yours arrives for a friendly visit bearing tea and crumpets. I hate to say it, but such actions are so uncivilized and fail to display proper etiquette. Look you guys have my sympathy and I dont wanna start flamage with FIX here but, I came to 9cg 3 times and you guys did the exact same so maybe you should keep your clever comments to yourself... Let the flamage by ASCN begin. Again Signature is inappropriate for the forums mail [email protected] for more info - Vanamonde
Lord Spidey Hmmzor.	Posted - 2006.07.25 16:30:00 - [77] Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor ASCN apparently set policy based on Cyvok's latest fantasies dreampt up during his sleep periods or the alliance actually believes it has the given right to dictate policy in areas that are not of importance to maintaining the space it holds. However, please quit running and logging when a force equal to yours arrives for a friendly visit bearing tea and crumpets. I hate to say it, but such actions are so uncivilized and fail to display proper etiquette. In closing, I believe this thread can easily be summed up as follows: ASCN pvp pilots are bored providing support for the ASCN mining machine. Camping NPC's can get extremely disheartening. Solution: Camp HED, camp Providence, camp A2, etc. Nothing wrong with it, but at least have the cohunas to admit it. I agree with all the 100%. MIght as well say your just bored and want pvp instead of hiding behind a smoke screen
Avernus Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 16:30:00 - [78] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor However, please quit running and logging when a force equal to yours arrives for a friendly visit bearing tea and crumpets. I hate to say it, but such actions are so uncivilized and fail to display proper etiquette. Look you guys have my sympathy and I dont wanna start flamage with FIX here but, I came to 9cg 3 times and you guys did the exact same so maybe you should keep your clever comments to yourself... Seriously, if you have FIX pilots logging to save their ships, seni me their names in-game. Do note, 9CG is a station system, if pilots are in the station and log out, there shouldn't be any complaints resulting from that. You should be getting familiar with who our more regular combat pilots are, I'd be surprised to hear of any incidents involving them. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Grimpak Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 16:31:00 - [79] Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor However, please quit running and logging when a force equal to yours arrives for a friendly visit bearing tea and crumpets. I hate to say it, but such actions are so uncivilized and fail to display proper etiquette. Look you guys have my sympathy and I dont wanna start flamage with FIX here but, I came to 9cg 3 times and you guys did the exact same so maybe you should keep your clever comments to yourself... Let the flamage by ASCN begin. Again first flames weren't started by us. ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
Kalil d'Maelstromo The Establishment	Posted - 2006.07.25 16:36:00 - [80] Originally by: Helganstandt Didn't ASCN run like 3 Freighters through HED last night? Or was I smoking something and just imagined one of our allies telling me that? Saw two Obelisks goig tru G-A/TA3 route south last night. Axiom and ASCN tho I was stoned so could have been one or the other...... ************************ Originally by:** Deb Loblaw Anybody who demands a reach around is just a greedy bastich, if you ask me. If you wanted satisfaction, you should have been on top.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 16:39:00 - [81] Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 25/07/2006 16:42:58 Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor However, please quit running and logging when a force equal to yours arrives for a friendly visit bearing tea and crumpets. I hate to say it, but such actions are so uncivilized and fail to display proper etiquette. Look you guys have my sympathy and I dont wanna start flamage with FIX here but, I came to 9cg 3 times and you guys did the exact same so maybe you should keep your clever comments to yourself... Let the flamage by ASCN begin. Again first flames weren't started by us. Comedic, probably. Flamage, not really. Regardless, we ate the tea and crumpets. More available for our next encounter. Edit: On a serious note: I can understand not engaging. I can understand leaving the system and running. I can understand just not wanting to engage. Heck, I can understand that gangs are set up specific ways and with even numbers against an opponent specced differently it is wiser to not engage. But, does ASCN support logging to avoid combat? Signature is inappropriate for the forums mail [email protected] for more info - Vanamonde
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.25 17:44:00 - [82] I was on about the running from even fight, dont know about the logging to avoid combat honestly havent seen any from ascn (nor fix). - Gob [IXC] Admiral Goberius
Spacearoni Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 17:54:00 - [83] Originally by: Lord Spidey Originally by: Kai page Originally by: Lord Spidey So you camp Hed with your gangs to engage pirate organization and enemies that have made HED their home? To be honest I see the perma ascn gang on Hed/Keberz ganking more innocents than actually killing any dangerous folk (bad finite!) and when the dangerous folk come along teh ascn gang jumps out So which one of the newb alts in shuttles is yours? I'm the person your camp flees from and beleive it or not I dont show up in a shuttle. Of course checking killboards would have shown this but ill assume your stupid, clueless and/or lazy. Thanks for your time lol u guys seem to like each other a lot u should make peace :-)
Miss Overlord	Posted - 2006.07.25 18:04:00 - [84] nah what we need is a BOB and goonfleet peace treaty and co operative attack on ASCN just to mix things up - i know BOB vist out that way a bit but still
Spacearoni Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 18:14:00 - [85] what the .................why in the heck u need bob for attack them ur self and if u can't stay in empirer like a lot of them and mine or run mission
Grimpak Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 18:16:00 - [86] Originally by: Spacearoni what the .................why in the heck u need bob for attack them ur self and if u can't stay in empirer like a lot of them and mine or run mission indeed ...as I like to say to anyone that says "OMG HOPE BOB ATTACKS YOU!111one" I say "Bring it yourself or shut up" (to the alt, not to you, spacearoni) ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
Daald Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.25 18:18:00 - [87] Quote: I agree with all the 100%. MIght as well say your just bored and want pvp instead of hiding behind a smoke screen Isn't that what all the announcements here basically come down to? You basically see two types of announcements when you take away 99.999% of the smack or misinformation. 1- We're bored so we came up with a reason to pvp. YAY 2- We're bored of fighting you so we're taking a break. It's a game after all. We need to shooty shooty or we'll end up playing WoW and nobody wants THAT. And as a side note, I have been loving the trips to 9CG. I hope you guys are getting as much pleasure out of it as we are. ___________________________________________ Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence. -Murphy
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:51:00 - [88] Originally by: Daald Quote: I agree with all the 100%. MIght as well say your just bored and want pvp instead of hiding behind a smoke screen Isn't that what all the announcements here basically come down to? You basically see two types of announcements when you take away 99.999% of the smack or misinformation. 1- We're bored so we came up with a reason to pvp. YAY 2- We're bored of fighting you so we're taking a break. It's a game after all. We need to shooty shooty or we'll end up playing WoW and nobody wants THAT. And as a side note, I have been loving the trips to 9CG. I hope you guys are getting as much pleasure out of it as we are. /signed Signature is inappropriate for the forums mail [email protected] for more info - Vanamonde
Avernus Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:53:00 - [89] From what I've heard, everyone is enjoying the small scale combat we've been having. Personally, I much prefer sincere bloodthirsty, vengence-touting declarations of war loaded up with passion and promises of retribution (not just for shooting a shuttle). Makes things much more interesting. Someone who has commenced shooting due to boredom can pull out of a war at anytime because there is no 'face' to be lost, the excuses to depart are easy. When everyone knows you are out for blood, it ups the ante considerably. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Drakma Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.25 23:55:00 - [90] Originally by: Avernus From what I've heard, everyone is enjoying the small scale combat we've been having. Personally, I much prefer sincere bloodthirsty, vengence-touting declarations of war loaded up with passion and promises of retribution (not just for shooting a shuttle). Makes things much more interesting. Someone who has commenced shooting due to boredom can pull out of a war at anytime because there is no 'face' to be lost, the excuses to depart are easy. When everyone knows you are out for blood, it ups the ante considerably. Ok, here goes. Teh dirtay Fixians ate Celestial Fleet's Chocolate Pudding from the fridge. It was cleary marked with our name and date on the lid. Replace said Pudding or suffer the consequences. Sig must be under 24000 bytes - Cathath ([email protected])
Avernus Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.26 00:20:00 - [91] But... it was chocolate, what did you expect would happen? Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Drakma Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.26 00:43:00 - [92] Originally by: Avernus But... it was chocolate, what did you expect would happen? We are coming for our Pudding. Sig must be under 24000 bytes - Cathath ([email protected])
Wierd Beard Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.07.26 00:45:00 - [93] Originally by: Drakma Originally by: Avernus But... it was chocolate, what did you expect would happen? We are coming for our Pudding. You WHAT in the pudding? Thats why it was all runny... Should see a doctor about that
Havelcek Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.26 01:11:00 - [94] I don't think its such a cut and dry situation. ASCN space is contantly being flown through by enemy gangs, solitary gankers, and neutral alts making bookmarks and safespots and out-of-corp hauling. Just like in real life, you can either fight them in your own backyard or you can try to fight them on terms that are more to your advantage. To add complexity to this is the fact that our next door regions have dozens of corps and alliances of all sizes and shapes, and with convoluted standings to each other. It becomes difficult to even fly in gangs with blue friends because standings are all crisscrossed. Believe me when I say that 99% of the ASCNers I fly with go above and beyond to identify and avoid neutrals as well as "friendly corps" with standings "issues". I personally fly with our in-game standings page open when PvPing and referring to it has cost me valuable time on a number of occasions. Surely many of the people flaming us in this thread have full NBSI everywhere and are laughing at me for even checking a standings page. You definitely can't please everyone.
INZi coracao ardente	Posted - 2006.07.26 04:04:00 - [95] "uaah uaaah! i want 0.0 space with juicy rats and lots of iskie biskie, but i do not want to dieeeee.... uaaah!! uaaahh!" get some balls.. geez
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.07.26 05:06:00 - [96] Edited by: Shin Ra on 26/07/2006 05:09:41 Originally by: Darko1107 Why oh why do i feel asif im playing the most boring game in the world every time i read your posts. Now your imparting ASCN "wisdom" on other alliance leaders that are going to have dozens of small corps bombarding thier diplomats with "can you vouch for me please". Wooooo. Excatly. Next there will be a 19 page application form with questions such as: Have you ever felt the urge to shoot an ASCN vessel? Were you a member of an anti-ASCN corp? Are you carrying more than 10,000 isk in cash in your ship? Then, ASCN can employ 10 people check each part, another 5 people to rubber stamp it, and another 2 people to bribe if you actually want your request to go through. Wouldn't that be even more fun? Or you could just shoot anything not blue, ask questions later, ignore the stupid OMG forum posts and not waste so much time faffing around. What ever happened to the "evil" persona you adopted after we rattled your cage?
Unknown Human	Posted - 2006.07.26 05:38:00 - [97] Edited by: Unknown Human on 26/07/2006 05:38:16 Wrong Char Opps :P
UnknownHuman Species 5618 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.26 05:38:00 - [98] Oh the Humanity!! LOL Holy Ive read numerous posts complaining, bla bla bla... Well its funny that these alliances are saying we patrol providence cause were locals, yet Providence can be used as a hub to get to our space. So we take the battle out there rather than fight it in our own space. Like my pal Inzi used to tell me, Can't stand the heat GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN! Muaahhaha Seriously Gents... Your whining bores us, dont like it, get out of providence and grow up.... As for not shooting Haulers, Haulers can be just as dangerous as any other combat ship, one main purpose is to tackle. So I say lets play it safe and go by our NBSI policy....
Stella Centauri Spontaneous Defenestration	Posted - 2006.07.26 05:41:00 - [99] These kind of posts are obviously only for people that care about what people think about them. Which probably mean they need the people they want to think good of them to survive/enjoy life/whatever. Anyone else see the contradiction in this matter? Why cant ASCN just go to where us pirates actually are and the locals cant really manage to keep us away? Lemme give you a hint: KBP7-V, G-5EN2. Take a break from your politics and other *******s, and come up there to fight us. However might have to wait a few days since we're out on "vacation" pretty close to your home-systems --------------------------------------- Stella - If your boss gets to choose.
Shayleigh Snowflower	Posted - 2006.07.26 11:33:00 - [100] Edited by: Shayleigh Snowflower on 26/07/2006 11:36:43 Edited by: Shayleigh Snowflower on 26/07/2006 11:34:32 KB ain't on the route to ESA. No reason for ASCN to patrol that area. ---- As a neutral, this might save you, unless you or your corp are on the wrong side of the killmails on our killboard : Contact ASCN taskforces in local when you find yourself in same system as them. State who your 'sponsored' corp are, or what alliance you work alongside. If your story checks out, you should stand a better chanse at survival.
MOS DEF Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.26 11:50:00 - [101] blablabla If it`S not blue - lock and load. This discussion is boring and doesn`t change anything. You guys are just wasting your breath.
Ztang Canary Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.26 11:52:00 - [102] The chain of answers here is quite amusing. I think perhaps 2 or 3 posts actually worth reading, the rest is rather tedious excamples of how these boards work; inflammatory attempts at derailing and sabotaging the original intent. Its so translucent, its painful. ASCN is doing its best to lay down a working solution with regards to one of the pipes into our space. If people want to flame, then so be it. Another thing, everyone knows 0.0 is unsafe..most unaffiliated pilots, in addition to small corps travelling 0.0 should know this. Cyvok has laid down means for you to avoid incidents, use them...or fathom 0.0 for what it is. This situation is much the same as the one BoB faces in Aridia...they police that region harshly due to it piping into Fountain. Stop the hypocrisy, look long and hard at the realities, and take your steps.
Emeline Cabernet Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.26 13:03:00 - [103] the arrogance of some acsn members in here... you really want traveling through providence harder? adding 3-4 alliances to your enemy list?
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.26 13:20:00 - [104] I can understand people are upset when they're just honest traders/miners/ratters and get shot at by ASCN forces. But to be honest, its a bit unavoidable. ASCN uses the routes through Catch/Providence heavily, and there is a significant pirate presence there, who are also using characters outside of their own pirate corps. And with the sheer number of corp out there, its hard to keep track of who is what exactly. Which is why ASCN shoots noob corp people, and had a number of incidents with people who weren't really pirates at all. I think its really something we'd rather avoid, but its a warzone, and you don't always have time to check the standings and get detailed information about everyone you encounter.
CEO Rockhound Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.26 13:28:00 - [105] Originally by: Emeline Cabernet the arrogance of some acsn members in here... you really want traveling through providence harder? adding 3-4 alliances to your enemy list? and what 3-4 alliances whould that be? UK with they're station in the middle of the ASCN lifeline.. I am sure 25% of ASCN would not mind if they started attacking ASCN pilots. That whould be the 25% that like PVP. ASCN have problems with people that roam around with no home. ASCN do not have a problem with people that have a place they live in deep space. Neutrals, like me, with no standing to ASCN, better expect to be shot. Norsk Gruvedrift. We will rock you.
John McCreedy Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.26 13:30:00 - [106] Originally by: Maggot The problem is this: Northen Providence is policed by the locals - all of whom do not employ NBSI policy against combat ships or haulers. They engage based on evidence and investigation. Now ASCN roll through and will shoot anything based on thier own NBSI policy regardless of the local sovereignty and policing methods. From accounts in the local channels ASCN in the last two weeks have been killing or hunting more locals than the combined forces of all pirates in this region. ASCN's good name has been spoiled in the eyes of the providence community as its pilots are actively hunting neutrals as opposed to shooting ships that pose a threat during escort missions. To stop the death of innocents U'K has provided ASCN with a list of its allies. U'K's focus has and always will be our fight with slavers. We will not be held responsible for the death of those killed by ASCN troops. ASCN's offer to set standings is of course a good step forward. But it is still a slap in the face for all the good folk who dwell in this dangerous border zone, and discourages those who taking their first step into these wildlands. I urge ASCN high command to revert to their prior policy, and use other methods to spot corp jumpers - U'K has the same problem but we know our foes by name. I fully support the ASCN policy regarding University graduates and other such spies being destroyed at the discretion of the pilot. Maggot. Prehaps had you not been so obesteniate and provided me with a list of the standings I requested, ASCN would of been able to avoid any of these mis-understandings. Instead, your reply was, to say the least, far from diplomatic Make a Difference
Mtthias Clemi Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.26 13:52:00 - [107] People dont like ASCN??? but why!?! We are so nice! Annoyingly every time i go out to fight, i can never find any targets.... I dont understand some people... perhaps the people who are complaining about CYVOK's post should back up thier words? no? i didnt think so.. CYVOK wasnt asking anything, requesting or questioning... simply informing have a nice day.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.26 13:54:00 - [108] Originally by: Emeline Cabernet the arrogance of some acsn members in here... you really want traveling through providence harder? adding 3-4 alliances to your enemy list? ascn's dieing due to lack of targets dude - Gob [IXC] Admiral Goberius
Maggot Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.26 15:00:00 - [109] Originally by: John McCreedy Prehaps had you not been so obesteniate and provided me with a list of the standings I requested, ASCN would of been able to avoid any of these mis-understandings. Instead, your reply was, to say the least, far from diplomatic Your request for data, out of the blue and with no statement of ASCN's intent to operate NBSI, was indeed met with a rude reply. We should not have to give our standings to anyone. However I understand your intentions were good so please accept my apologies. Once it was made clear how you were going to operate without regard for the local custom I made this data available to CYVOK to stop needless slaughter. Everyone else in Providence can operate just fine without NBSI, but it seems to be beyond the wit or will of ASCN. I presume the latter. I hope in time that ASCN will end this policy, and U'K will assist ASCN in any way to bring this about. Maggot.
Silent butViolent	Posted - 2006.07.26 15:14:00 - [110] Originally by: Wizard I can confirm ascn/axe plans as true, me being the peacefull npcer/industrialist ive always strived to be was atacked in an unprovoked manner in providence 2 nights ago. For someunknown reason my insta i used whilst flying without scout landed me of gate and i was duely scrambled/webbed by a pilgrim ship from ascn. After aggressing to meerly defend myself against this pirate i was jammed and 7-8 other craft from ascn pirate aliance jumped in to help my pod releive itself from my ship. Being 1 of the peacefull corporations in the area who wouldnt say boo to a goose i emplore the mighty cyvokk to reimburse me for my loss. At present no corp ops are being carryed out as we are having group meetings to help me through the trauma in my troubled time. Wish me all the best fellas Does ANYONE else find a post like this, with a tagline like this: "^^looking for a PvP corp with little stress then look no further." Quite ironic? ZOMG ZOMG We r beeung pr0seky00ted bai big bad ASCN....I r total neutral. Buuuuuuut.............if you wanna go gank in someone else's 0.0 territory and be all laxed, relaxed, and chilled like a mofo, join us! =D
R'adeh Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.26 15:30:00 - [111] Heh, what a reaction First of all, I like Ushra'Khan (even though I have to look up how to write their Alliance name each time I do so). Whenever I run into them, they are very actively hunting pirates and offered their help on countless occasions (same goes for Huzzah). I'm really sorry if we shot some of their friends... HOWEVER, there's been waaaaay to many small "neutral" spy corps around the pipe recently. So we're trying to make some fire under their a$$. If you jump into an ASCN gate camp, and you believe you are friendly to us, say so in local and if your story is believable you will live. If however, you're in a small neutral corp, not affiliated with an alliance living around that region, and flying a Heretic/Sabre...well, let's just say, it's gonna be hard to prove why you need such a ship down in 0.0 if you're "neutral". Guys, it's 0.0 space...sometimes 0.0 space gets dangerous PS: Hello FIX __________________________________________________ My views are my own and I don't represent my corp. Please show mercy Drakma!
Maggot Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.26 16:15:00 - [112] R'adeh, Thank you for your kind words. I believe your suggestions are in the right direction. When escorting or camping gates decisions like that have to be made on the fly and I fully understand, I am glad you will give people a chance to explain themselves. Maggot.
Hardin Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.26 16:28:00 - [113] so: "Guys, it's 0.0 space...sometimes 0.0 space gets dangerous" Yet "If however, you're in a small neutral corp, not affiliated with an alliance living around that region, and flying a Heretic/Sabre...well, let's just say, it's gonna be hard to prove why you need such a ship down in 0.0 if you're "neutral". Seems kinda contradictory to me... 0.0 is dangerous therefore if you are not part of an alliance you cannot fly around in anything other than a hauler or we shall shoot you. Fantastic logic... ------------------------------ Hardin's Blog (BACK UP!)
R'adeh Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.26 16:55:00 - [114] Originally by: Hardin Seems kinda contradictory to me... 0.0 is dangerous therefore if you are not part of an alliance you cannot fly around in anything other than a hauler or we shall shoot you. Fantastic logic... It's not contradictory. If you are down there in a ship like a dictor, you are either affiliated or tollerated by one of the regional alliances or looking for trouble. Ofc you can be an independent corp tollerated by such an alliance (Ushra'Khan, Huzzah) without actually being in that alliance, In which case a you can easily clarify that situation. However, if Ushra'Khan tells us they've never heard of you, but you say you and Ushra'Khan are best buddies...who do you think we'll believe Seriously, if you're member of a 2 man corp having "YARRR" written in your bio while flying alone down the pipe in a dictor, please don't be surprised if we engage __________________________________________________ My views are my own and I don't represent my corp. Please show mercy Drakma!
Riddari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.26 17:03:00 - [115] I personally follow a NRDS policy on my travels through Catch/Providence. I do hope, and have proposed, that ASCN puts CVA (and its brethrens in PIE and 1PG) on the do-not-shoot list. The RP-alliances have been fighting against the odds (and each other) from day one and it would not be sporting for any heavyweight alliance to align with either faction at this stage. ¼+¼ a history
Hardin Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.26 17:43:00 - [116] Edited by: Hardin on 26/07/2006 17:47:55 A little history lesson for the ASCN members on here complaining about 'whining'. For the past 18 months CVA and others like them have protected all traffic through our part of Providence and that has included ASCN pilots. CVA/NOS (and before them Huzzah) have steadfastly policed and patrolled our space enforcing our rules. Yes sometimes pirates visit and there are camps - but on the whole the area has been relatively safe to live in and travel through - thanks to our (and our friends) efforts. We have created one of the few areas in EVE where non-aligned individuals and corporations have access to 0.0 through constant and careful policing, communication and management of KOS lists. Now ASCN (out of what appears to be boredom) seems to be saying that they want to take a hand in making Providence safe. Safe for whom exactly? We don't mind your pilots flying in Providence. Indeed we don't mind anyone flying in Providence (with the exception of the terrorist Minmatars ) as long as they mind their own business and do not pirate (which in our book is defined as shooting us or neutrals without good cause). We have offered to share our KOS lists with ASCN in order that your bored pilots can find some legitimate villains to shoot. However, if ASCN insists on bringing their own NBSI policy into this region it undermines everything that we stand for and in our view is nothing better than piracy. We already have a number of alliances (i.e. BoB, LV, D2 etc.) on our KOS lists for shooting us or neutrals in our area. The difference is they didn't pretend to be coming here to 'help'. They just straightforwardly admitted that they just want to fight and gank stuff - at least they are honest and we get some good fights with them on occasion . I see someone above has claimed Providence is a 'warzone' and therefore ASCN can legitimately shoot anyone they don't know because they dont have time to check standings/backgrounds. All I have to say on that one is LAZYNESS! I also see an ASCN member above stating that 'neutrals' flying in the area shouldn't be in combat ships. Erm - self-protection? The fact is that many (not all - but many) of these neutrals have spent a lot of time and effort working with CVA/NOS/UK/Huzzah to keep the space lanes open for everyone - including ASCN pilots! ASCN the ball is in your court. Either communicate with us and reign in your hotheads (a number of who seem to be populating this thread - with the notable exception of Riddari) or simply admit you couldn't give a damn what we and the other Providence alliances think and that this is just an exercise in boredom relief for your pilots. If you chose the second course then do not complain when CVA and our friends in Providence add you to our KOS lists and your industrialists suddenly find the region a hell of a lot more dangerous than it used to be. If your aim is to make the pipe safer your certainly going about it in completely the wrong way... If your pilots are so bored that 'ascn's dieing due to lack of targets dude' as one ASCN member commented above then why not pick on LV or BoB? Hmmmmm.... As Maggot has stated ASCN needs to clarify/change its policy very rapidly or else accept the consequences of its actions. ------------------------------ Hardin's Blog (BACK UP!)
Zuberi Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.26 17:53:00 - [117] Well, the subject is now mute as ASCN is clearly using the NBSI policy to gank in northern providence. Two members of ASCN from different corps ganked a member of the ARM alliance in neutral U'K sov space this morning. In a system that is in a dead end loop and not part of any imaginable 'pipe'. This isn't a whine, we don't mind pvp, just a clarification. -Zub
Geeknik eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.26 18:38:00 - [118] Originally by: Zuberi Well, the subject is now mute as ASCN is clearly using the NBSI policy to gank in northern providence. It's my understanding that if incidents such as this are brought to the attention of ASCN command, they will be dealt with. RE: Hardin - If ASCN's intent is to relieve boredom by picking fights with friendly alliances in the pipe, then that is news to me. Maybe I'm naive, but I honestly believe the intent is nothing more than was stated. While you strive to protect all traffic, that is not always the case and ASCN has a lot more at stake than most of the small corp traffic that passes thru. Whether this policy will help that or inflame the situation remains to be seen, but hopefully it is not too late for ASCN & the Providence locals to work this out as I have great respect for CVA/HF from my days in Northern Providence.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.26 18:55:00 - [119] Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 26/07/2006 18:56:43 Hardin: Well written post. Very nice. You and I go back to the pre-CFS days and through them. I think we both know the difference between reasoned thought and the lack thereof. Now we have ASCN sending mixed signals to various parts of the Eve Universe with their new policy involving Providence, the HED pipe, etc. They are trying to extend their influence into the A2 corridor and other areas of space which serve them no logistic or other advantage currently other than to pvp. Of course, as we know, this happens when your pilots become bored because you are napped with every entity near you that could cause a potential harm to your infrastructure, SE, RAT and The Collective being the apparent exception, both for RAT and SE's actions against ASCN and for the actions of all 3 entities against HF, another napped entity of ASCN. Giventhat FIX standings were adjusted by Cyvok to originally -1 because Cyvok felt that FIX did not deserve positive standings anymore because they were "too small" or "not relevant" or whatever the specific reason (Avernus has expounded on this previously and I defer to him in this regard), even though, as I should point out, FIX was not at that time engaging or otherwise acting in a hostile manner towards ASCN, how long do you think it will be before he decides that smaller alliances like yours and others that inhabit the Providence region will receive short shrift and considered "too small", "not relevant", etc? HED is a perfect example of the thought process of ASCN. They come first to FIX space and engage regularly. When we return the favor by hunting them in HED we are pirates. Standings then adjusted to -5. Basically, you folks have been successful in the Providence region with the experiment that CFS failed so miserably at. Now ASCN threaten do disturb this success and expect everyone in the area to cow tow to their wishes and desires, or they too will be considered "pirates" and set to -5 or whatever. It is an interesting philosophy that ASCN is espousing, one that is not unusual in space controlled by an entity, but one that is entirely unusual in an area claimed by other alliances that they are theoretically friendly with. In closing, I think it should be pointed out that what you hear from ASCN command in this thread is much different from what you hear from their pilots who are growing bored without targets of opportunity close to home. It is these targets of opportunity that cause ASCN to attempt to justify their newfound Providence policy. More targets equals happy pvpers. In the end this is what ASCN is really saying behind the convoluted system adopted by ASCN in Cyvok's original post. This is so because ASCN, a huge alliance, cannot be bothered to wage war with those to its north (napped) or immediate east (napped) for fear they might actually have to fight a real fight like they did with the former G alliance. It is simply easier for them to choose those many "targets of opportunity" that are easily attacked to satisfy their pilots thirst for pvp. Nothing wrong with this, as I have stated in earlier posts. Just do not be deceived by the rhetoric of protecting "vital" shipping lanes, etc. It is what it is, and ASCN do the Eve Community a disservice by claiming otherwise. Hardin, I wish you and yours the best and hope it all works out for the best in the end. Somehow, though, I tend to believe that your alliance policy, being diametrically opposed to that of ASCN's in this matter, will result in unforeseen and unnecessary consequences. I hope I am wrong.
Katjia Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.26 19:40:00 - [120] Edited by: Katjia on 26/07/2006 19:44:21 Put it simple i am in AXE i am part of provi com...i was and will be provi com first then AXE dunno if i get in a tussle with the higher ups bought it but tbh i don't care. Those "axe pos's popping up" have been ther just are more visible now. And for a breif history lesson prov com was originally prov war created by XF then ascn. ASCN did a lil standings thing ****ed some peeps off and thus prov com was created. This was b4 cva did ther thing on the other side of provi. Some of provi coms forces were rerdeployed deeper into 0.0 due to joining allainces and going ther own ways. UK filled in the gap....which brings us to the present. edit: the original purpose was of provi war/com was to keep the highway clear and allow neutrals to flourish in the hopes that they would keep the lanes clear so that alliance pvp forces would not be bogged down in providence. Almost a BOB/fountain thing but a bit nicer cus no alliance was in the region to begin with. I calculated the odds of this succeeding versus the odds I was doing something incredibly stupid... and I went ahead anyway.
Kujin 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.26 21:46:00 - [121] Edited by: Kujin on 26/07/2006 21:47:59 Originally by: CYVOK In other words haulers that show as neutral we will leave alone unless they are suspected as being used as enemy scouts. in other words : we kill everything we don¦t like to see hanging around in our space(haulers with tech2 stuff MUST be spies, i tell ya)...
Kaigden Gang	Posted - 2006.08.02 22:33:00 - [122] You know, I really wouldn't mind if ASCN would just call themselves pirates and admit that they are hunting in Providence for fun and profit. It's a big part of the game, and there's really nothing wrong with it. But this dance of pvp semantics is ridiculous. Your pilots are coming into other alliances space and shooting their ships. This makes you pirates. DonÆt try to explain it away, donÆt equivocate, just freaking admit it and then we can all move on and people will know where they stand. At least half the people operating in Providence are pirates, so youÆre in good company. Outbreak, Carebear Killers, Pirate Coalition, Shinra, BoB, ASCN etc, etc, etc. If you see them warp to a POS, or a safespot and log off. TheyÆll get bored and go bother someone else. The ONLY difference between you and the rest of the pirates is they have the balls and decency to admit that they are there to kill us. If people get popped because they donÆt check a gate before landing in a pirate camp, then they had it coming to them. However, if someone gets killed because they believed your claims that you are not gankers, then thatÆs kind of bull****. The question IÆm left with is: Are you pretending to be honorable because: a) you are secretly ashamed of what youÆve become? or, b) you find some advantage is pretending youÆre not pirates?
Drakma Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.02 23:07:00 - [123] Originally by: Kaigden Gang It goes without saying that I am not speaking on behalf of my corp here. I'm sure all six of them are greatful.
Kaigden Gang	Posted - 2006.08.02 23:10:00 - [124] Originally by: Drakma I'm sure all six of them are greatful. Yeah, Six today --- tommorow....maybe seven or eight!
Lord Spidey Hmmzor. Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.08.03 03:44:00 - [125] And ASCN has that sexy pos in 36n
DeWieKat Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.03 14:35:00 - [126] Originally by: INZi "uaah uaaah! i want 0.0 space with juicy rats and lots of iskie biskie, but i do not want to dieeeee.... uaaah!! uaaahh!" get some balls.. geez my god, inzi- u left species???? ;) resized
Wizard Without Reason	Posted - 2006.08.04 13:16:00 - [127] I herby nominate myself to get rid of the pirates ASCN from providence/catch. Or......... They can pay me 500mill per week to escort them safely through these troubled areas. ^^ Im not joking btw. Without Reason corp website ^^looking for a PvP corp with little stress then look no further.
INZi coracao ardente	Posted - 2006.08.04 14:13:00 - [128] Originally by: DeWieKat Originally by: INZi "uaah uaaah! i want 0.0 space with juicy rats and lots of iskie biskie, but i do not want to dieeeee.... uaaah!! uaaahh!" get some balls.. geez my god, inzi- u left species???? ;) yeh! time to move on :)

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