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goazer
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.23 01:19:00 -
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i think its funny you say its a login trap maybe alot of them logged on to help defend but they were outside system, and used a Cyno-field if they had been logged in you would have gotten exactly the same notice as you did.
Seems like you are trying to make an excuse for such a devastating loss.
Unless your saying you wouldnt have attacked the pos if those pilots in your address where logged on. which is the same tactic in reverse kind of."Lets wait till all there capitol ship pilots log off before we attack.". Maybe more of an accepted practice but still the same thing.
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DARTHMAUL sith
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.23 01:20:00 -
[32]
 Originally by: Evil Thug
Subject.
ERA just lost 10 drednoughts to "dead" alliance.
Congratulations 
If you were trying to point out that RA is capable of taking out dreads with 2:1 odds in their favour congratulations point proven, any "dead" alliance can do that 
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror
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Posted - 2006.07.23 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: DARTHMAUL sith
Originally by: Evil Thug
Subject.
ERA just lost 10 drednoughts to "dead" alliance.
Congratulations
If you were trying to point out that RA is capable of taking out dreads with 2:1 odds in their favour congratulations point proven, any "dead" alliance can do that
I`m trying to have a laugh, actually 
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Soraya Silvermoon
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Posted - 2006.07.23 01:23:00 -
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I belive evil thug is right with the numbers he present.. I`ve only up to date seen 9 killmails from the RA big loss...
Anyway.. login in in a different system is per definition not a logintrap that CCP declared and exploit a long time ago..
THis is why siege mode last 10 mins.. so that the enemy will have a chanse to attack you when you have dreads working..
The noobs are the one not providing sufficient support to fend of an attack if it comes.
Both coalition and RA have learnt that in the past. I`m a bit amused that era had to do the same mistake and allso in a system where its not at all important to kill towers as the sovereignity adn majority controll of moons are in friendly hands.
Rumours tell me that ERA were specifically told to not bother up there. Sorry guys you ****** up. and I got to say that you should take your loss as men and quit complaining to logintraps.
You ****** up, simple as that.
I`m no supporter of RA but this is still quite amusing :D
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Dak Torin
Mithril Inc
Antigo Dominion
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Posted - 2006.07.23 01:23:00 -
[35]
Gratz RED. 
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Nafri
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.23 01:23:00 -
[36]
its actually impossible to call a cynnoed capital fleet to call a "log in" trap.
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Star Hunter
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.23 01:28:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Johnny Johnny
Originally by: KIATolon
Confirmed.
RA logon trap.
We went into siege, they logged 15-20 cap ship pilots on immediately, cyno'd in, dropped bookmark bombs, killed 10 dreads and lost 2.
GF.
What's a bookmark bomb?
It is what coalition likes to use as their tactics. I dont know much. ask them.
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Captain Tinrib
Millennium
E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.07.23 01:30:00 -
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Yeah it wasnt a logon trap, RA just happened to have 22 capitals logged off fully fueled and armed all within jumprange of eastern cache. Whom all mysteriously logged on seconds after the ERA dreads assaulted thier P7- Pos and jumped in within 2 minutes in the middle of the night.
It wasnt a logon trap
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Darcuese
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.23 01:31:00 -
[39]
Edited by: Darcuese on 23/07/2006 01:32:19
Originally by: Star Hunter
Originally by: Johnny Johnny
What's a bookmark bomb?
It is what coalition likes to use as their tactics. I dont know much. ask them.
DEAD or ALIVE we allways have some fun. DO YOU??
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HostageTaker
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.23 01:33:00 -
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Frapsed?!
Yes or No?
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KIATolon
Black Omega Security
E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.07.23 01:33:00 -
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Edited by: KIATolon on 23/07/2006 01:33:45
20 cap ship pilots logging on in simultaneously to trap someone that doesn't have the ability to react is a logon trap. I never said it was illegal, I just said it occurred.
If their cap ships pilots had been online we wouldn't have engaged their POS.
A bookmark bomb is a can full of bookmarks, such as we blew up from your other POS.
A trick I think they learnt from G.
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Kyguard
LFC
3rd Front Alliance
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Posted - 2006.07.23 01:35:00 -
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Killed 11 and lost 2 and you had a ****load of carriers and had to use a login trap? Makes you wonder what would have happened if you didn't..
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Captain Tinrib
Millennium
E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.07.23 01:39:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Tinrib on 23/07/2006 01:40:07
Originally by: Kyguard
Killed 11 and lost 2 and you had a ****load of carriers and had to use a login trap? Makes you wonder what would have happened if you didn't..
They lost 3 dreads (moros, rev, naglfar) and someone mentioned a carrier altho i havent seen a killmail for that so unconfirmed.
They had 12 dread and ~ 8-10 carriers vs our 11 dreads
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nync
Russian SOBR
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2006.07.23 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: goazer
i think its funny you say its a login trap maybe alot of them logged on to help defend but they were outside system, and used a Cyno-field if they had been logged in you would have gotten exactly the same notice as you did.
Seems like you are trying to make an excuse for such a devastating loss.
Unless your saying you wouldnt have attacked the pos if those pilots in your address where logged on. which is the same tactic in reverse kind of."Lets wait till all there capitol ship pilots log off before we attack.". Maybe more of an accepted practice but still the same thing.
Absolutely correct. We were moving 22 capital ships for 2-3 hours before fight. Cynofileds could be clearly seen all round Cache region for hours. And before attacking a well armed POS it's a good idea to check cyno fields around.
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Angelus X
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.23 01:43:00 -
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o.0 So many cap ships killed, so much isk lost, so much anger, so much hate. 
Eve, luv it.  
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Star Hunter
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.23 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: Darcuese
Edited by: Darcuese on 23/07/2006 01:32:19
Originally by: Star Hunter
Originally by: Johnny Johnny
What's a bookmark bomb?
It is what coalition likes to use as their tactics. I dont know much. ask them.
Does this mean u agree with me or what. I only know I lagged alot before. even when it was only one eny frig out of the gate. when i killed him its cargo was filled with BMs. thats all I know really.
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Acwron
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.23 01:46:00 -
[47]
Originally by: KIATolon
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A bookmark bomb is a can full of bookmarks, such as we blew up from your other POS.
A trick I think they learnt from G.
Comforting to see that losing your dread didn't change you one bit. Still making things up and throwing mud around.
/Acwron kuddles Tolon. Everything will be allright my dear.
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goazer
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.23 01:47:00 -
[48]
Originally by: KIATolon
Edited by: KIATolon on 23/07/2006 01:33:45
20 cap ship pilots logging on in simultaneously to trap someone that doesn't have the ability to react is a logon trap. I never said it was illegal, I just said it occurred.
If their cap ships pilots had been online we wouldn't have engaged their POS.
A bookmark bomb is a can full of bookmarks, such as we blew up from your other POS.
A trick I think they learnt from G.
I know im not as experienced as you all in the art of pos takedowns seeing as i have only kiled like 10 but it would seem to me you shouldnt put in 10 dreads that you cant defend and then complain about it.
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Turkantho
Asgard Schiffswerften
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.23 01:49:00 -
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Edited by: Turkantho on 23/07/2006 01:50:39
Originally by: KIATolon
A bookmark bomb is a can full of bookmarks, such as we blew up from your other POS.
A trick I think they learnt from G.
Nice flamebait, got any proof at all for that accusation ? If not just shut up.
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Cringeley
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.23 01:49:00 -
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Crappy luck, ERA. Chins up, I know you'll prevail. It's not as though you were beaten in an even fight, they just got a chance to blob you.
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Star Hunter
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.23 01:50:00 -
[51]
Originally by: KIATolon
Edited by: KIATolon on 23/07/2006 01:33:45
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If their cap ships pilots had been online we wouldn't have engaged their POS.
A trick I think they learnt from G.
By this words u confirm using game mechanics (cheking online status) by your self.
So if you use this mechanics to guard your self from atack, why cant we log (in other system) to use some mechanics to pass this guard.
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Vibius
GoonWaffe
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.23 01:53:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Star Hunter
Originally by: KIATolon
Edited by: KIATolon on 23/07/2006 01:33:45
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If their cap ships pilots had been online we wouldn't have engaged their POS.
A trick I think they learnt from G.
By this words u confirm using game mechanics (cheking online status) by your self.
So if you use this mechanics to guard your self from atack, why cant we log (in other system) to use some mechanics to pass this guard.
Why are you asking this question if Tolon never said you couldn't do it?
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KIATolon
Black Omega Security
E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.07.23 01:57:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Star Hunter
By this words u confirm using game mechanics (cheking online status) by your self.
So if you use this mechanics to guard your self from atack, why cant we log (in other system) to use some mechanics to pass this guard.
When did I ever say you couldn't?
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Moominer
Independent Frontiers
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Posted - 2006.07.23 02:01:00 -
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Edited by: Moominer on 23/07/2006 02:04:25
If CCP were to outlaw this kind of operation, what would a "legitimate" version have looked like? Some random musings:
- RA cap fleet would have had to be ingame, obviously.
- If the RA cap fleet was ingame (and not docked or in a pos) you could have located them and gone for them, rather than the station/POS?
- If the RA cap fleet was ingame, would coalition even have attacked the objective knowing the threat?
- Risk ending up with a situation where people only attack when you are 100% certain your enemy is offline. Is that any fairer than the current situation? "Timezone warfare" whine will follow :S
- None of this is really enforceable by CCP
BoBs answer to this is never move your cap fleet without appropriate support. That's the obvious solution here.
Harsh loss, definatly difficult to take considering the "unsporting" situation it was taken under. Cant wait to watch the vid though.
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Amerame
Section XIII
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Posted - 2006.07.23 02:02:00 -
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Well congratulations RA for winning this fight, the result is most impressive, I can't wait to see the fraps of this most unusual fight.
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Star Hunter
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.23 02:04:00 -
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Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: Star Hunter
By this words u confirm using game mechanics (cheking online status) by your self.
So if you use this mechanics to guard your self from atack, why cant we log (in other system) to use some mechanics to pass this guard.
When did I ever say you couldn't?
u did not.
just stop complaining on login trap. we did not log on your head.
and as I said before, if both of our sides did not used game mechanics u even would not know wether we are loged in or not.
so just take it as it is.
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Marovinchian
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.07.23 02:04:00 -
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hmm, login trap or whatever aside...i always give respect too people who defend themselves. One thing set aside....getting those kind of cap ship numbers at what sounds like oddball time of day is impressive by any measure.
Shame RA didn't put as much participation into the tournament....might've gained some respect
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Vibius
GoonWaffe
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.23 02:07:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Star Hunter
u did not.
just stop complaining on login trap. we did not log on your head.
and as I said before, if both of our sides did not used game mechanics u even would not know wether we are loged in or not.
so just take it as it is.
You're going to have to quote Tolon's exact words and explain how they are a complaint, because from what I can see he is not complaining.
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Kuang
V I R I I
Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.07.23 02:28:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Tinrib
Yeah it wasnt a logon trap, RA just happened to have 22 capitals logged off fully fueled and armed all within jumprange of eastern cache. Whom all mysteriously logged on seconds after the ERA dreads assaulted thier P7- Pos and jumped in within 2 minutes in the middle of the night.
It wasnt a logon trap
Correct it's called a trap ... they knew where you were going to be and hit and waited for you to take the bait ... RA did a great job on tactics on this one
Have great respect for BOS and Mill and feel for the loss . Congrats on taking 3 down under such odds
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Lorth
Synchro.
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Posted - 2006.07.23 02:29:00 -
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Perhaps if we a lucky, CCP will see to change Log on traps in much the same way they did when RED was abusing, carriers, or POS's.
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