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Another Night	Posted - 2006.07.23 20:11:00 - [151] gj RA. bang bang.
Obivan Efa The Machines	Posted - 2006.07.23 20:19:00 - [152] Greatest space battle ever been in EVE! And a Geatest victory! Be victorious over predominant enemy forces... it's always a honourable act. All posts 'bout exploits, not fear game and all references to EVE TV fights are kiddy hysterics. Real EVE war is not a TV show. All words are just a loosy blether... Only an actual facts has importance. And all the facts we can see on killboards. Coalition beware of RED! The sleeping Gaint is awaking.. My respect to all Great warriors of RED!
Lydia Brightlance Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.23 21:07:00 - [153] First off. Congratulations RA. You have been countering coalition attacks quite effectively at some times. No matter the conditions in this war, your tactics are forcing Eve into the whole new level of capityal ship warfare. For that I salute you. Second off I like to reply to this remark. Originally by: welsh wizard I've never known anyone to be so bitter in defeat as some of you coalition members. While I have a healthy respect for RA, especially for their dedication to their cause, there is one problem with facing off against them. RA is the only group of players within this game that make me feel tired when fighting against them. It is the only group I have faced that really takes the fun out of the fight for me. I have dealt with a lot of pirates and ruthless opponents, which I am perfectly fine with, but in the end those opponents were respectful and I could be respectful to them in return. Against RA... I cannot truly put my fnger on it, but while other opponents seem to be fighting against me in the game, RA seems to be fighting against us as players. It is almost like RA tries to win this war by taking the fun out of the game from their opponents. To answer Welsh Wizard.... I do not condone the flaming by my fellow Coalition members and when I encounter it in game I will ask them to keep it civil, but I do understand some of their complaints. The way that this war is fought is extremely detrimental to their fun and that is simply an unnacceptable situation.
Pastora Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.23 21:29:00 - [154] Originally by: Lydia Brightlance While I have a healthy respect for RA, especially for their dedication to their cause, there is one problem with facing off against them. RA is the only group of players within this game that make me feel tired when fighting against them. It is the only group I have faced that really takes the fun out of the fight for me. I have dealt with a lot of pirates and ruthless opponents, which I am perfectly fine with, but in the end those opponents were respectful and I could be respectful to them in return. Against RA... I cannot truly put my fnger on it, but while other opponents seem to be fighting against me in the game, RA seems to be fighting against us as players. It is almost like RA tries to win this war by taking the fun out of the game from their opponents. Well, I can't say anything against that, because these is your opinion, and if you really feel so, I am sorry, but two things I'd like to point out: 1. You are taking the game too seriously then. 2. If you are so tired to fight against us (tired in a way you have described above), leave the area and/or changes the side. I'll repeat it once again, if you are so unhappy to fight against us, choose another oponent. What's the problem with that? Thanks to the game, the EVE is not that small, there are other places for fun fights, or whatever you are looking for. _______________________________________________ If ifs and ands were pots and pans, I would grow mushrooms in my pants.
nync Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.23 22:12:00 - [155] Edited by: nync on 23/07/2006 22:13:14 Linkage to video: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/RUSSOBR/Capital_Fleet_Battle_-_hi_res.avi
Cilppiz FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:22:00 - [156] Originally by: nync Edited by: nync on 23/07/2006 22:13:14 Linkage to video: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/RUSSOBR/Capital_Fleet_Battle_-_hi_res.avi Nice movie, well frapsed and edited. Altogether entertaining movie, even though it would have been even better vice versa ofcourse una salus victis nullam sperare salutem
Blitz0r Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:31:00 - [157] Originally by: Lydia Brightlance While I have a healthy respect for RA, especially for their dedication to their cause, there is one problem with facing off against them. RA is the only group of players within this game that make me feel tired when fighting against them. It is the only group I have faced that really takes the fun out of the fight for me. I have dealt with a lot of pirates and ruthless opponents, which I am perfectly fine with, but in the end those opponents were respectful and I could be respectful to them in return. Against RA... I cannot truly put my fnger on it, but while other opponents seem to be fighting against me in the game, RA seems to be fighting against us as players. It is almost like RA tries to win this war by taking the fun out of the game from their opponents. This most likely due to their IRL standings of making their normal life feasable with EVE, they are most likely selling stuff on eBay to collect the $ needed to live their lifes. Fine but thats most likely against the EULA and hence the personal agression when people destroy their only source of income.. (most likely) and plz flame me. M.Corp BPC Packages
CardboardSword42 Celtic Anarchy	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:33:00 - [158] Originally by: Blitz0r Originally by: Lydia Brightlance While I have a healthy respect for RA, especially for their dedication to their cause, there is one problem with facing off against them. RA is the only group of players within this game that make me feel tired when fighting against them. It is the only group I have faced that really takes the fun out of the fight for me. I have dealt with a lot of pirates and ruthless opponents, which I am perfectly fine with, but in the end those opponents were respectful and I could be respectful to them in return. Against RA... I cannot truly put my fnger on it, but while other opponents seem to be fighting against me in the game, RA seems to be fighting against us as players. It is almost like RA tries to win this war by taking the fun out of the game from their opponents. This most likely due to their IRL standings of making their normal life feasable with EVE, they are most likely selling stuff on eBay to collect the $ needed to live their lifes. Fine but thats most likely against the EULA and hence the personal agression when people destroy their only source of income.. (most likely) and plz flame me. Yes, russia is so impoverished that they have formed an alliance in EVE in order to feed their poor russian families. I'm sure the russian mob will shortly be knocking on your door for blowing their cover, and to raid your pantry because you've stolen what they need to feed their families I'm Ex-Biomass, that makes me cool But now I'm KOS and it's all about the manlove
Daemi Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:39:00 - [159] We in Russia, live better than some of you, and it is not necessary to speak that we poor. Moscow the most dear city of the world according to so think that you speak.
Daemi Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:42:00 - [160] And also,after viewing video all of you have been still assured that it logintrap?

Kilpelainen FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:59:00 - [161] I have to say I was sure that this one was pulled out with actual logon trap but now that i've seen the vid... Those who were nagging about logon trap weren't actually there or didn't have a clue. It was clearly very good plan and well executed one too. Even with those numbers pretty ballsy move to lauch sphere next to own dreads I guess. ***
Tayler Derden Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.24 00:03:00 - [162] ok m8s i think all of ya must stop talking 5HIT and enjoy yo kils or lossses) whatever))
Tayler Derden Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.24 00:07:00 - [163] and ivbeen seeing that soome guys wanna see link to our kiLLBoard thereis http://killboard.red-alliance.info/
CardboardSword42 Celtic Anarchy	Posted - 2006.07.24 01:16:00 - [164] Originally by: nync Edited by: nync on 23/07/2006 22:13:14 Linkage to video: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/RUSSOBR/Capital_Fleet_Battle_-_hi_res.avi Now clickable I'm Ex-Biomass, that makes me cool But now I'm KOS and it's all about the manlove
Nebuli Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 01:42:00 - [165] Originally by: Evengard Originally by: Trancestor logon trap :) cant understand it, but, do u guys in rus have anything who called honor, i remember the old red guys in curse that know that, maybe that is why all they left.. How i tired of this honor bla bla bla etc. Then you fight againts 5 time bigger forces you don't care about honor. It dies one of the first. But who cares?? Well we fought against you right at the start of the war, and you were MUCH larger than us and outnumbering us, and we cared about honor, and didnt use any lame tactics at all, although you claim we did, but thats just nonesense. Personaly I'd rather die with honor then live without, but thats just me :) Well done on the kills. CEO - Art of War
DeltaH Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.24 01:59:00 - [166] Originally by: Nebuli Well we fought against you right at the start of the war, and you were MUCH larger than us and outnumbering us, and we cared about honor, and didnt use any lame tactics at all, although you claim we did, but thats just nonesense. Personaly I'd rather die with honor then live without, but thats just me :) Well done on the kills. Most so called alliances fold within a week or two of being war dec'd. How is it honorable to not fight and defend your space? All most people do is sulk back to empire, wait a few weeks, and join a new paper alliance in 0.0 and just hope this one goes unnoticed longer. When the new one gets attacked they rinse and repeat. They value personal ISK more than their own alliance. It is nice seeing someone go down kicking and screaming the whole way instead of taking easy way out and heading to empire to look for new space. -DeltaH ps. yah POS war are *** and that should be argued to CCP not RA ---
Brain Day	Posted - 2006.07.24 02:11:00 - [167] Amazing video, just amazing.
HatePeace LoveWar Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.24 02:12:00 - [168] If 20million russians hadn't died you speaking german right now matey, so please show more respect. Talking of which respect to RA for this, those saying it's a login trap when Cyno's are used are clearly showing their lack of knowledge for the game. Anyways just learn from this mistake ERA, am sure you will. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger as the saying goes. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes
Nebuli Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 02:12:00 - [169] Originally by: DeltaH Originally by: Nebuli Well we fought against you right at the start of the war, and you were MUCH larger than us and outnumbering us, and we cared about honor, and didnt use any lame tactics at all, although you claim we did, but thats just nonesense. Personaly I'd rather die with honor then live without, but thats just me :) Well done on the kills. Most so called alliances fold within a week or two of being war dec'd. How is it honorable to not fight and defend your space? All most people do is sulk back to empire, wait a few weeks, and join a new paper alliance in 0.0 and just hope this one goes unnoticed longer. When the new one gets attacked they rinse and repeat. They value personal ISK more than their own alliance. It is nice seeing someone go down kicking and screaming the whole way instead of taking easy way out and heading to empire to look for new space. -DeltaH ps. yah POS war are *** and that should be argued to CCP not RA I was specificaly refering to the post I quoted, not making a general statement, reading 4tw? CEO - Art of War
Aegis Osiris Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.24 02:39:00 - [170] I only managed to get to page 3, but this struck me a bit. Folks keep complaining that RA used a logon trap, though both ERA and RA folks have said the dreads cyno'd in. I'll grant that some part of the RA support fleet may well have logged into the system, thats not my point. My question is this: how did ERA know the dread pilots logged in before jumping with they Cyno? The simple answer: the buddy list. They've marked the names of the known RA dread pilots, so they could see them all pop up green. So, are you saying that if you'd known those pilots were logged in BEFORE you attacked, that you wouldn't have? And if THAT is the case, then wouldn't RA's only recourse be to log those dread pilot alts in just as they are needed, to avoid tipping you off? Personally, I think the buddy list is a misuse of game mechanics, to a degree. Its apparent intent was to allow you to know when your 'buddies' (hence the name) were logged in, not to easily keep track of your enemies active pilots. This feature should require permission from both parties to operate. Maybe then, it would decrease the need (for lack of a better word) for logon traps. Either that, or remove that feature entirely. Oh, and as I understand it, the guy that made the comment about the Russians and WW2 actually meant it as some form of compliment (ie. RA fights until they've nothing left) instead of a dig at RA. Granted, he didn't do that good a job making that clear, so it came off REALLY badly, but I think he's just guilty of not thinking through his post all that well, instead of being a git Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled flame. ________________________________________________ This thread does not exist

CardboardSword42 Celtic Anarchy	Posted - 2006.07.24 02:41:00 - [171] Originally by: Aegis Osiris I only managed to get to page 3, but this struck me a bit. Folks keep complaining that RA used a logon trap, though both ERA and RA folks have said the dreads cyno'd in. I'll grant that some part of the RA support fleet may well have logged into the system, thats not my point. My question is this: how did ERA know the dread pilots logged in before jumping with they Cyno? The simple answer: the buddy list. They've marked the names of the known RA dread pilots, so they could see them all pop up green. So, are you saying that if you'd known those pilots were logged in BEFORE you attacked, that you wouldn't have? And if THAT is the case, then wouldn't RA's only recourse be to log those dread pilot alts in just as they are needed, to avoid tipping you off? Personally, I think the buddy list is a misuse of game mechanics, to a degree. Its apparent intent was to allow you to know when your 'buddies' (hence the name) were logged in, not to easily keep track of your enemies active pilots. This feature should require permission from both parties to operate. Maybe then, it would decrease the need (for lack of a better word) for logon traps. Either that, or remove that feature entirely. Oh, and as I understand it, the guy that made the comment about the Russians and WW2 actually meant it as some form of compliment (ie. RA fights until they've nothing left) instead of a dig at RA. Granted, he didn't do that good a job making that clear, so it came off REALLY badly, but I think he's just guilty of not thinking through his post all that well, instead of being a git Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled flame. Welcome to my post, a page ago I'm Ex-Biomass, that makes me cool But now I'm KOS and it's all about the manlove
Aegis Osiris Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.24 02:55:00 - [172] Originally by: CardboardSword42 Welcome to my post, a page ago I TOLD you I only got to page 3 Ah well, great minds think alike....or is that diseased ones? Crap, I always get those mixed up.... ________________________________________________ This thread does not exist
DeltaH Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.24 03:29:00 - [173] Making buddy list like most instant messengers were consent is required to add buddy would be cool. The only thing I'd like to see added is a way to mark people in local as unfriendly. I haven't bothered with this since when I was in Ushra'khan, but fighting an empire war having green dots by enemies in local is a necessity. In 0.0 local is usually empty or very small, but when the fight is in Rens it is impossible to show info on every pilot. I always thought it would be cool to have standings show up in top left corner of pilots face in local list or something. I think the infamous GOON HAX accomplishes this through a different method (incoming thread derailment). It really should just be a feature by CCP instead of third party IMO. Maybe not knowing if enemies are in the same system is a feature they like but (a) pilots get around it with the buddy list and (b) it is easy enough to hide in EVE that I don't see why this would be unbalancing. -DeltaH ---
Daroh Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.24 06:32:00 - [174] Children like to cry. Go on noobs. I think in EVE, almost all noobs who cant win in game start to use dirty tactics of false blames on forum. Tell everyone more about RA. Tell everyone that you are noob. And thouse noobs who even never saw us in overview will post "yee i know RA are cheaters". Omg...such a huge amount of noobs in EVE...cant belive. Anyway...its good for RA
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 07:26:00 - [175] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Well i guess its hard to claim if it was a logoff trap or not but the ppl who fight RA know too damn well that they use it on daily basis thats why beleiveing that RA won without using it is realy hard. RA should enjoy this victory to the extent sicne these I win buttons they use are gonan expire one day ( Hope the WCS penalty come soon) and when login traps are made as an exploit i think we shall all see the real mettle of RA fighting which imo will prob be a nice dissbandment annoncment :P but thats just me imagining i guess As for the D2 cheerleaders and their allies who coem here cheering for RA , why dont u go deal with the A whooping that T1 noob fleet ( no dissrepsect to goons i am quoting D2 name) gave ya resulting in 9 dread and 2 carrier losses ? Respect to ERA since i am very sure they have fought till the bitter END and also congrats to RA on their victory sicne till this moment it is a legitamite victory. I see no D2 comments about Red or ERA.. But since you took it up ill respond: Im utterly amased that RA is still holding up..They got so many enemys and they are still kicking.. So for that Major respect.. And to Yazoul Samaiel about the goons/D2 etc.. Well ERA decide to run away join a coalition and then fight together wiht like 10k peeps against RA and then telling every1 how good they are?? Goons has stayed and are fighting and thats more then i can say about you or you hole pathetic former alliance.... And ERA are acusing RA with a log on trick?? well i sincerly doubt that RA would need it against an incompetent alliance as ERA. So stop whining or maybe you should just do what you do best run away.. And also Yazoul Samaiel I got no idea why a great alliance like BOB would even lat you in. All you are is big mouth and got no skills ingame at all.. So im wonderign how much isk did you bribe BOB to be aloved in?? Thanks to Capt Rob kind words Lunas u realy should seek help dude coz u just sound like a 10 year old kiddo who goes waa waa waa . ZOMG i bribed BOB to join them ???? ROFL thats all what i got to say same as for what u say about my ingame skills in which i am pretty sure u know about them. Honestly speacking the least noob in ERA has twice the brains u will ever have since none post the usual BS u make in every post. PS: When did they allow u to post back on forums ? who did u bribe this time ? "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"**
Obivan Efa The Machines	Posted - 2006.07.24 07:36:00 - [176] "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger" Ha! Loosing 11 capital war ships makes ERA stronger? If so? ERA is the strongest allaince in EVE now! Muhahahaha!
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.24 07:41:00 - [177] Originally by: Darko1107 TBH, we are all grown ups and i hate seeing all this "wah wah wah its lame" stuff that i see the kiddies saying in games like CS and Red Alert etc. RA are playing the game to its fullest within game mechanics, it might be frustrating, but you cant blame them for pulling out all the stops when they have so many alliances bareing down upon them. Have you considered the possibility that the fact RA use/used all these lame tactics so frequently is one of the reasons 7 alliances are now trying to hunt RA into extinction?
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 07:50:00 - [178] Originally by: Obivan Efa "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger" Ha! Loosing 11 capital war ships makes ERA stronger? If so? ERA is the strongest allaince in EVE now! Muhahahaha! Mmmmkayyyy WTB Clue on the relation between my siggi and ERA "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"
Mirasta Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.24 08:23:00 - [179] With the whole log intrap. Its like the boy who cried wolf story. The wolf allways pulled login traps and the one time he dident the wolf accused the boy of fitting WCS? or something like that... Once you have made a name for your self thats it. TBH Cyno traps on seiged dreads is superb tactically and if thats what you did then hats off to you, but if your gunna come and chest beat with a reputation like your selfs have then well... you bring it on your selfs really.
Wild Rho Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.24 08:41:00 - [180] Originally by: Obivan Efa "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger" Ha! Loosing 11 capital war ships makes ERA stronger? If so? ERA is the strongest allaince in EVE now! Muhahahaha! In a funny way you're actually right. Since the beginning ERA has had a hard time. We've been up against much larger forces and beaten down more than once. Some of the original founding corps left and went their own way and now we lost a large lump of isk in this recent loss. PS: Apologies to everyone for my "login" trap statement earlier on. I had my facts mixed up and made a mistake, it happens. Where most alliances give up and die or leave we stick at it and keep trying because the challenge is as much a part of EvE as anything else. The best example of the alliance mentality was on our forums the morning after this recent loss. Instead of people whining and crying about it we are discussing what we can do next time to avoid such mistakes in the future. We'll recover, we'll learn and we'll adapt. Congrats to RA on their kills. I hope we get even some day WE ARE DYSLEXIC OF BORG. Refutance is systile. Your ass will be laminated. - Jennie Marlboro



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