Originally by: The Enslaver

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You aren't actually important.

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Originally by: Stamm

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Originally by: The Enslaver

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You aren't actually important.

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If 10 dread losses aren't important what is?

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Originally by: Stamm

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Originally by: The Enslaver

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You aren't actually important.

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If 10 dread losses aren't important what is?

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Originally by: Stamm

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Originally by: The Enslaver

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You aren't actually important.

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If 10 dread losses aren't important what is?

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Originally by: Dillon Arklight

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Region losses > Dread losses.

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Originally by: HotSeat

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But being new to the game, I just don't see the point of how RA fights?

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Originally by: HotSeat

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It seems they completely miss the whole idea of what this game is about.

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Originally by: Stamm

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Originally by: The Enslaver

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You aren't actually important.

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If 10 dread losses aren't important what is?

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Originally by: HotSeat

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No it's simple... when the odds are even close to even... fight dammit.

Why do they log off all the time?

Why form gangs, have scouts report, then log off till you can gank someone?

I mean whats the point, is this fun for you?

Does a 10 on 1 battle make you happy?

So what you may loose ships, hell I loose a few each week, and as long as it not to a log on trap... I have fun loosing them, even too RA :)


Don't get me wrong, gate camps are what they are, but log on traps are something else.
It's clear you don't see the difference, and I am sure many others have tried to explain it too you before me.

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Originally by: HotSeat

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No it's simple... when the odds are even close to even... fight dammit.

Why do they log off all the time?

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Originally by: The Enslaver

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Originally by: Stamm

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Originally by: The Enslaver

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You aren't actually important.

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If 10 dread losses aren't important what is?

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I was speaking about the dreads?

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Originally by: nync

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When we cynoed on ERA dreads ALL of them were moving, thus not in siege mode. And that means they had a chance to jump to emergency field in m53 station , but they did not use it. Simple.
Interdictor sphere was launched after we engaged ERA dreads.

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Originally by: HotSeat

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No it's simple... when the odds are even close to even... fight dammit.

Why do they log off all the time?

Why form gangs, have scouts report, then log off till you can gank someone?

I mean whats the point, is this fun for you?

Does a 10 on 1 battle make you happy?

So what you may loose ships, hell I loose a few each week, and as long as it not to a log on trap... I have fun loosing them, even too RA :)


Don't get me wrong, gate camps are what they are, but log on traps are something else.
It's clear you don't see the difference, and I am sure many others have tried to explain it too you before me.

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Originally by: Cringeley

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Originally by: Stamm

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Originally by: The Enslaver

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You aren't actually important.

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If 10 dread losses aren't important what is?

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11 dreadnought losses?

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Quote:

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ERA who stays and fight at an enemy pos with their dreads! Maybe we can make a conclusion of that?? If they could warp away but choosed to stay and have fun??

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Originally by: La Tortura

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Think it worth to be put in the news on logon screen.

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Originally by: Cringeley

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Originally by: Stamm

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Originally by: The Enslaver

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You aren't actually important.

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If 10 dread losses aren't important what is?

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11 dreadnought losses?

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Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer

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Originally by: La Tortura

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Think it worth to be put in the news on logon screen.

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Oh, the irony!

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Originally by: The Enslaver

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You aren't actually important.

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Originally by: Wild Rho

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Well this was a downer. Question is what exactly can you do to counter a dread login trap?

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Originally by: The Enslaver

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You aren't actually important.

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Originally by: Murukan

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were the dreads logged in that system?? I really don't understand how they can login trap with dreads if they still have to setup a cyno to get them in, but whatever got to keep the pr rollin

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Originally by: Wild Rho

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Well this was a downer. Question is what exactly can you do to counter a dread login trap?

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Originally by: Wild Rho

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Well this was a downer. Question is what exactly can you do to counter a dread login trap?

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Originally by: Wild Rho

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Edited by: Wild Rho on 23/07/2006 08:44:34

Originally by: Murukan

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were the dreads logged in that system?? I really don't understand how they can login trap with dreads if they still have to setup a cyno to get them in, but whatever got to keep the pr rollin

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They had the dreads logged off at their POS. They knew we were gonna be hitting it in the next evening or so.

We sent in our dreads and they went to work. Once they were in seige mode (unable to escape) RA logged in their dread fleet. We were out gunned and unable to get out. We killed a couple of theirs I think (somone else will need to verify that) but ultimatly we lost the ships.

It's a pain in the neck and a set back but we've no intention of giving up and are working out ways to counter this sort of thing.

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Originally by: nync

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When we cynoed on ERA dreads ALL of them were moving, thus not in siege mode. And that means they had a chance to jump to emergency field in m53 station , but they did not use it. Simple.
Interdictor sphere was launched after we engaged ERA dreads.

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Originally by: The Enslaver

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You aren't actually important.

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Originally by: Murukan

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Considering a cyno gives you a good 10 min warning that hardly constitutes a login trap.

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Originally by: Wild Rho

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Edited by: Wild Rho on 23/07/2006 08:44:34

Originally by: Murukan

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were the dreads logged in that system?? I really don't understand how they can login trap with dreads if they still have to setup a cyno to get them in, but whatever got to keep the pr rollin

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They had the dreads logged off at their POS. They knew we were gonna be hitting it in the next evening or so.

We sent in our dreads and they went to work. Once they were in seige mode (unable to escape) RA logged in their dread fleet. We were out gunned and unable to get out. We killed a couple of theirs I think (somone else will need to verify that) but ultimatly we lost the ships.

It's a pain in the neck and a set back but we've no intention of giving up and are working out ways to counter this sort of thing.

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Originally by: Pride NL

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woohoo RA isnt dead yet. Well according to this post that is.

Funny thing is nync states they killed 10 Dreads at a POS, but they dont mention the POS layout, or the ship it took to take em out. Nor does he mention the losses on their side.

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Quote:

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This evening, at 23:57 eve time in capital ships fight near RUA POS at planet 1 moon 5, RA forces killed 10 E.R.A Alliance Dreadnoughts and a number of BS's and support ships. RA lost 3 drednoughts during this fight.

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Originally by: Nafri

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some ERA guy said that thy used a cyno to get the ERA dreads


thats hardly a log in trap

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Still not enough to beat record (Evil Thug, this to you):

http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=305811&page=1#1

Originally by: Prof Einsten

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What is the point of a post like this here?
Ive never understood these kind of posts.

Is posting some info about some incident
going to help u in someway ingame or?

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Originally by: MySQL

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10 - 3 = 7 dread kills by RA

Still not enough to beat record (Evil Thug, this to you):

http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=305811&page=1#1

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Originally by: kbullet

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Originally by: MySQL

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10 - 3 = 7 dread kills by RA

Still not enough to beat record (Evil Thug, this to you):

http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=305811&page=1#1

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ok cool zillion of alliances fighting 1 so called "dead" alliance and oh post with your main

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Quote:

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Laughing dont u know when from north I shouldn't get involved Laughing

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Originally by: MySQL

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Originally by: kbullet

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Originally by: MySQL

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10 - 3 = 7 dread kills by RA

Still not enough to beat record (Evil Thug, this to you):

http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=305811&page=1#1

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ok cool zillion of alliances fighting 1 so called "dead" alliance and oh post with your main

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u have some problems with calculating ...
WE bring down 10 dreads , so we kill 10 dread no matter how many we loose

dont u know when from north I shouldn't get involved

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Originally by: ArcheryTXS

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Edited by: ArcheryTXS on 23/07/2006 10:12:55

Originally by: MySQL

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Originally by: kbullet

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Originally by: MySQL

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10 - 3 = 7 dread kills by RA

Still not enough to beat record (Evil Thug, this to you):

http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=305811&page=1#1

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ok cool zillion of alliances fighting 1 so called "dead" alliance and oh post with your main

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u have some problems with calculating ...
WE bring down 10 dreads , so we kill 10 dread no matter how many we loose

dont u know when from north I shouldn't get involved

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u have some problems with calculating ...
WE bring down 10 dreads , so we kill 10 dread no matter how many we loose

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Originally by: Sensless Killing

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i would doubt they were not in siege but, at least they have the balls to stay and fight. if it was ra being trapped id expect the whole dread gang to log off.

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Originally by: CT BadIronTree

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but: i bet thats on of the reason why they lost 20 mil people in ww2....

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Originally by: Evil Thug

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Originally by: CT BadIronTree

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but: i bet thats on of the reason why they lost 20 mil people in ww2....

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Where do you live ?

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Originally by: CT BadIronTree

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Edited by: CT BadIronTree on 23/07/2006 10:32:33


WEeeeeeeeeeee flame fest

i wish ccp make login traps iligal in the future


RA is a sad alliance... they will do anything to servive

but: i bet thats on of the reason why they lost 20 mil people in ww2.... everylast of them will die 1000 times so RA will live on way or another


RA always play on the limits of legality
The things they do are legal but very unethical :P (ethics in eve lololol)

honorable fights are not in the RA vocabulary

anyway good job RA

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Originally by: CT BadIronTree

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but: i bet thats on of the reason why they lost 20 mil people in ww2....

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Originally by: CT BadIronTree

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Edited by: CT BadIronTree on 23/07/2006 10:32:33


WEeeeeeeeeeee flame fest

i wish ccp make login traps iligal in the future


RA is a sad alliance... they will do anything to servive

but: i bet thats on of the reason why they lost 20 mil people in ww2.... everylast of them will die 1000 times so RA will live on way or another


RA always play on the limits of legality
The things they do are legal but very unethical :P (ethics in eve lololol)

honorable fights are not in the RA vocabulary

anyway good job RA

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Originally by: CT BadIronTree

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Edited by: CT BadIronTree on 23/07/2006 10:56:37
not giving up is bad?
i think you missunderstud me

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Originally by: CT BadIronTree

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Edited by: CT BadIronTree on 23/07/2006 10:32:33


WEeeeeeeeeeee flame fest

i wish ccp make login traps iligal in the future


RA is a sad alliance... they will do anything to servive

but: i bet thats on of the reason why they lost 20 mil people in ww2.... everylast of them will die 1000 times so RA will live on way or another


RA always play on the limits of legality
The things they do are legal but very unethical :P (ethics in eve lololol)

honorable fights are not in the RA vocabulary

anyway good job RA

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Originally by: Ilmonstre

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Originally by: Evil Thug

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Originally by: CT BadIronTree

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but: i bet thats on of the reason why they lost 20 mil people in ww2....

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Where do you live ?

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yeah so we can smack some sence in you becouse thats a very low blow wich has nothing to do with like a GAME, what this is

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Originally by: CT BadIronTree

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Edited by: CT BadIronTree on 23/07/2006 10:32:33



but: i bet thats on of the reason why they lost 20 mil people in ww2.... everylast of them will die 1000 times so RA will live on way or another

quote]

Wanted to make a witty historical remark?
Well, FYI sounded more like an insult.
Isn't that a proper place for historical comparavistic stuff?

PS BTW many people reading this has lost their granfathers and relatives among these 20+ mln.

Originally by: killer baboon

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above post made by Kian Jorry of B.O.S., dont know how to use forums

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Originally by: Darcuese

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Edited by: Darcuese on 23/07/2006 11:27:33
Cant we get back on subject such as...where does this ET pills coming from?

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Originally by: Amthrianius

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You guys KNOW RA do login traps [and most likely knew RA were in your vacinity, hard to miss a bunch of people moving up, even if 1 by 1], you also KNOW they don't have many number's. So having just 30 BS + support protecting 11 Dread's when you know all of this

Like Nebba said before

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Originally by: c0rn1

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(...) let people who weren't online for the past 15 mins have a login cooldown in space of 10 minutes where they aren't able to activate any module on their ship. 15 minutes because if you crashed in a fight you can login regularly and participate in the fight again. but if you were logged off longer than 15 minutes in space, it can be considered as a NON-incombat crash.
(...)

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Originally by: CT BadIronTree

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Edited by: CT BadIronTree on 23/07/2006 11:39:51
For kbullet
click

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Originally by: Evengard

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Watching you whining about logon traps it's so funny.
If you are 12 year children, so you cannot understand that "login trap" is equal to ambush in RL.
.

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Originally by: c0rn1

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I don't have to have it in a game I want to have "fun" in.

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Originally by: c0rn1

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The only thing which RA has the advantage in is just doing things that are considered "lame". CCP did split the community in the people who wanna play the game on a "fun" side and people who just want to win

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Originally by: c0rn1

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90+% of the eve community (including me) would never consider login traps as a valid strategy, because it is just lame.

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Originally by: c0rn1

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If CCP wants to put a balance back up for the fair players then please give us a full fleet covert op device which let people disappear of local please AND the adressbook as well.

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Originally by: CT BadIronTree

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Edited by: CT BadIronTree on 23/07/2006 11:39:51
For kbullet
click

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Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry

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Xirt must be one of the GREAT leaders in eve to keep you guys shooting shuttles in hophib

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Originally by: tookar

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nync i believe noone is saying your dreads logged in . ERA are saying they were happy to engage your dreads if they jumped in but not your added support that did use the lamest of the lame tactics and login on them . Tbh the people boasting here about login traps i find absolutely unbelievable

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Originally by: nync

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Edited by: nync on 23/07/2006 02:08:26
Official statement.

Yesterday ERA alliance put in reinforsed number of RA POS'es in Cache region.

This evening, at 23:57 eve time in capital ships fight near RUA POS at planet 1 moon 5, RA forces killed 10 E.R.A Alliance Dreadnoughts and a number of BS's and support ships. RA lost 3 drednoughts during this fight.

Fight was lag free(for me).

Frapsed.

Thks to all involved.

p.s. I will not post any reply's to alts or well known forum smackers. For details convo me ingame.

When we cynoed on ERA dreads ALL of them were moving, thus not in siege mode. And that means they had a chance to jump to emergency field in m53 station , but they did not use it. Simple.
Interdictor sphere was launched after we engaged ERA dreads.

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Originally by: Kirex

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:| Just stop this. RA isnt (and Never was tbh :|) a major power anymore.
Your bragging because you killed some dreads? Take a look at this:

Map 1
Map 2
Alliance Tournament
Movie 1


btw: hey, at least I didnt post with an ALT :p

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Poverty

Originally by: thoth foc

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Originally by: nync

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Edited by: nync on 23/07/2006 02:08:26
Official statement.

Yesterday ERA alliance put in reinforsed number of RA POS'es in Cache region.

This evening, at 23:57 eve time in capital ships fight near RUA POS at planet 1 moon 5, RA forces killed 10 E.R.A Alliance Dreadnoughts and a number of BS's and support ships. RA lost 3 drednoughts during this fight.

Fight was lag free(for me).

Frapsed.

Thks to all involved.

p.s. I will not post any reply's to alts or well known forum smackers. For details convo me ingame.

When we cynoed on ERA dreads ALL of them were moving, thus not in siege mode. And that means they had a chance to jump to emergency field in m53 station , but they did not use it. Simple.
Interdictor sphere was launched after we engaged ERA dreads.

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Are we going to get an official statement everytime you actually fight?

"OMG THE FC DIDNT TELL US TO LOGOFF!!!!"

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Originally by: nync

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And gratz to ERA for a good fight even outnumbered 2 to 1. They give us a hell of a fight.

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Originally by: nync

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And gratz to ERA for a good fight even outnumbered 2 to 1. They give us a hell of a fight.

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Originally by: nync

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Edited by: nync on 23/07/2006 11:59:32
To all whinners and smackers.
Our capital ship fleet before fight was located in F2A system. It takes 2 jumps from F2A TO P7-45V.
Interdictor and covert ops were present in P7-45V for ages, as resistance in Cache continues.
So just same simple math:
1). Undock - 20 sec.
2). Gang invites - 50 sec.
3). Opening cyno field between F2A and P7-45V - 10 sec.
4). Jumping to field - 10 sec.
5). Restoring capasitor to 70% with 2 support cruizers - 5 min.
6). Opening cyno field in P7-45V - 10 sec.

Total - 6 min, 40 sec.
Siege mode - 10 min.

All your login trap accusations are bull****.

Ask ERA members who saw our basilisk support cruizers near M53 system and did not reported it to ERA dread fleet command and ERA members who were passingby system with cyno filed and 22 capital ships in system waiting to restore capasitor and not reporting it to ERA command.

And we don't have to stay online all day for you to see our dread fleet logged in, but if you really want we can all leave them logged in in C-J6MT 4eva.

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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel

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RA should enjoy this victory to the extent sicne these I win buttons they use are gonan expire one day ( Hope the WCS penalty come soon) and when login traps are made as an exploit i think we shall all see the real mettle of RA fighting which imo will prob be a nice dissbandment annoncment :P but thats just me imagining i guess

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Originally by: Trancestor

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logon trap :)

cant understand it, but, do u guys in rus have anything who called honor, i remember the old red guys in curse that know that, maybe that is why all they left..

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Originally by: Evengard

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Then you fight againts 5 time bigger forces you don't care about honor. It dies one of the first. But who cares??

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Originally by: Pastora

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Originally by: Evengard

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Then you fight againts 5 time bigger forces you don't care about honor. It dies one of the first. But who cares??

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No point, Evengard, they won't understand. I'm sure, some of our enemies expect us to ask a permission from them: to attack their ships, to attack their POS'es, to fly from one point to another, to login when they allow us (instead of when we want and/or have time), and to logoff when they allow us (instead of letting them to kill us, when amount of their ships is tenfold to ours). They will just continue to cry about honor, being bored, etc., when they have just NAP'ed every possible entity in the radius of 50+ jumps, blob at the very first oportunity, and complain about not beeing able to kill our ships, while we somehow manage to kill their's (I suppose, they think we use some exploit of being able to use our weapons/ships/wtahever while being offline).

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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel

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Well i guess its hard to claim if it was a logoff trap or not but the ppl who fight RA know too damn well that they use it on daily basis thats why beleiveing that RA won without using it is realy hard.

RA should enjoy this victory to the extent sicne these I win buttons they use are gonan expire one day ( Hope the WCS penalty come soon) and when login traps are made as an exploit i think we shall all see the real mettle of RA fighting which imo will prob be a nice dissbandment annoncment :P but thats just me imagining i guess

As for the D2 cheerleaders and their allies who coem here cheering for RA , why dont u go deal with the A** whooping that T1 noob fleet ( no dissrepsect to goons i am quoting D2 name) gave ya resulting in 9 dread and 2 carrier losses ?

Respect to ERA since i am very sure they have fought till the bitter END and also congrats to RA on their victory sicne till this moment it is a legitamite victory.

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Originally by: Fargas

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your respect worth nothing

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Originally by: Lunas Feelgood

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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel

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Well i guess its hard to claim if it was a logoff trap or not but the ppl who fight RA know too damn well that they use it on daily basis thats why beleiveing that RA won without using it is realy hard.

RA should enjoy this victory to the extent sicne these I win buttons they use are gonan expire one day ( Hope the WCS penalty come soon) and when login traps are made as an exploit i think we shall all see the real mettle of RA fighting which imo will prob be a nice dissbandment annoncment :P but thats just me imagining i guess

As for the D2 cheerleaders and their allies who coem here cheering for RA , why dont u go deal with the A** whooping that T1 noob fleet ( no dissrepsect to goons i am quoting D2 name) gave ya resulting in 9 dread and 2 carrier losses ?

Respect to ERA since i am very sure they have fought till the bitter END and also congrats to RA on their victory sicne till this moment it is a legitamite victory.

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I see no D2 comments about Red or ERA..

But since you took it up ill respond:

Im utterly amased that RA is still holding up..They got so many enemys and they are still kicking.. So for that Major respect..

And to Yazoul Samaiel about the goons/D2 etc.. Well ERA decide to run away join a coalition and then fight together wiht like 10k peeps against RA and then telling every1 how good they are?? Goons has stayed and are fighting and thats more then i can say about you or you hole pathetic former alliance....

And ERA are acusing RA with a log on trick?? well i sincerly doubt that RA would need it against an incompetent alliance as ERA. So stop whining or maybe you should just do what you do best run away.. And also Yazoul Samaiel I got no idea why a great alliance like BOB would even lat you in.

All you are is big mouth and got no skills ingame at all.. So im wonderign how much isk did you bribe BOB to be aloved in??

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Originally by: Trancestor

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logon trap :)

cant understand it, but, do u guys in rus have anything who called honor, i remember the old red guys in curse that know that, maybe that is why all they left..

worthless like always, red alli blame themself with there tactics... and all laugh like eve tv..

well gf and do it like always logoffsky's

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Originally by: Pastora

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complain about not beeing able to kill our ships, while we somehow manage to kill their's .

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Originally by: CardboardSword42

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It's silly that people are complaining about a 'log in trap' because it's 'abusing a game mechanic' when they are also abusing a game mechanic, the friends list, to tell if someone is logged on or off. The RA dreads didn't log in on top of the ERA fleet, they had to cyno in. If they were logged in they could have cyno'd in anyways, the only difference is that if they were logged in ERA would not have attacked. ERA were using game mechanics to see if the capital pilots were logged in to make a tactical decision. It sounds like their own use of a game mechanic caused them to attack the Red POS because they felt confident because the RED capitol pilots weren't logged in. If they couldn't tell if a pilot is logged on, then they might have been more cautious

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Originally by: Knocturnal

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Have you ever thought not to fit that many WCS on your ships ? if you kill like 100 RA ships you`ll see 90of them had WCS. (including t1 frigs that's just lame).

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Originally by: Swor

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Alls fair in love and war


who cares if the enemy thinks your noble as long as you win.
if we still fought like nobles, todays armies would stand in big lines 500m apart and blow each other away, wars isn't fair get used to it.

using the game mechanics to your advantage isn't cheating its strategy and tactics.

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Originally by: welsh wizard

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I've never known anyone to be so bitter in defeat as some of you coalition members.

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Originally by: Lydia Brightlance

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While I have a healthy respect for RA, especially for their dedication to their cause, there is one problem with facing off against them. RA is the only group of players within this game that make me feel tired when fighting against them. It is the only group I have faced that really takes the fun out of the fight for me. I have dealt with a lot of pirates and ruthless opponents, which I am perfectly fine with, but in the end those opponents were respectful and I could be respectful to them in return. Against RA... I cannot truly put my fnger on it, but while other opponents seem to be fighting against me in the game, RA seems to be fighting against us as players. It is almost like RA tries to win this war by taking the fun out of the game from their opponents.

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Originally by: nync

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Edited by: nync on 23/07/2006 22:13:14
Linkage to video:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/RUSSOBR/Capital_Fleet_Battle_-_hi_res.avi

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Originally by: Lydia Brightlance

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While I have a healthy respect for RA, especially for their dedication to their cause, there is one problem with facing off against them. RA is the only group of players within this game that make me feel tired when fighting against them. It is the only group I have faced that really takes the fun out of the fight for me. I have dealt with a lot of pirates and ruthless opponents, which I am perfectly fine with, but in the end those opponents were respectful and I could be respectful to them in return. Against RA... I cannot truly put my fnger on it, but while other opponents seem to be fighting against me in the game, RA seems to be fighting against us as players. It is almost like RA tries to win this war by taking the fun out of the game from their opponents.

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Originally by: Blitz0r

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Originally by: Lydia Brightlance

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While I have a healthy respect for RA, especially for their dedication to their cause, there is one problem with facing off against them. RA is the only group of players within this game that make me feel tired when fighting against them. It is the only group I have faced that really takes the fun out of the fight for me. I have dealt with a lot of pirates and ruthless opponents, which I am perfectly fine with, but in the end those opponents were respectful and I could be respectful to them in return. Against RA... I cannot truly put my fnger on it, but while other opponents seem to be fighting against me in the game, RA seems to be fighting against us as players. It is almost like RA tries to win this war by taking the fun out of the game from their opponents.

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This most likely due to their IRL standings of making their normal life feasable with EVE, they are most likely selling stuff on eBay to collect the $ needed to live their lifes.

Fine but thats most likely against the EULA and hence the personal agression when people destroy their only source of income.. (most likely)

and plz flame me.

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Originally by: nync

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Edited by: nync on 23/07/2006 22:13:14
Linkage to video:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/RUSSOBR/Capital_Fleet_Battle_-_hi_res.avi

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Originally by: Evengard

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Originally by: Trancestor

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logon trap :)

cant understand it, but, do u guys in rus have anything who called honor, i remember the old red guys in curse that know that, maybe that is why all they left..

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How i tired of this honor bla bla bla etc.

Then you fight againts 5 time bigger forces you don't care about honor. It dies one of the first. But who cares??

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Originally by: Nebuli

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Well we fought against you right at the start of the war, and you were MUCH larger than us and outnumbering us, and we cared about honor, and didnt use any lame tactics at all, although you claim we did, but thats just nonesense.

Personaly I'd rather die with honor then live without, but thats just me :)

Well done on the kills.

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Originally by: DeltaH

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Originally by: Nebuli

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Well we fought against you right at the start of the war, and you were MUCH larger than us and outnumbering us, and we cared about honor, and didnt use any lame tactics at all, although you claim we did, but thats just nonesense.

Personaly I'd rather die with honor then live without, but thats just me :)

Well done on the kills.

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Most so called alliances fold within a week or two of being war dec'd. How is it honorable to not fight and defend your space? All most people do is sulk back to empire, wait a few weeks, and join a new paper alliance in 0.0 and just hope this one goes unnoticed longer. When the new one gets attacked they rinse and repeat. They value personal ISK more than their own alliance.

It is nice seeing someone go down kicking and screaming the whole way instead of taking easy way out and heading to empire to look for new space.

-DeltaH

ps. yah POS war are *** and that should be argued to CCP not RA

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Originally by: Aegis Osiris

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I only managed to get to page 3, but this struck me a bit.

Folks keep complaining that RA used a logon trap, though both ERA and RA folks have said the dreads cyno'd in. I'll grant that some part of the RA support fleet may well have logged into the system, thats not my point.

My question is this: how did ERA know the dread pilots logged in before jumping with they Cyno?

The simple answer: the buddy list. They've marked the names of the known RA dread pilots, so they could see them all pop up green.

So, are you saying that if you'd known those pilots were logged in BEFORE you attacked, that you wouldn't have? And if THAT is the case, then wouldn't RA's only recourse be to log those dread pilot alts in just as they are needed, to avoid tipping you off?

Personally, I think the buddy list is a misuse of game mechanics, to a degree. Its apparent intent was to allow you to know when your 'buddies' (hence the name) were logged in, not to easily keep track of your enemies active pilots.

This feature should require permission from both parties to operate. Maybe then, it would decrease the need (for lack of a better word) for logon traps. Either that, or remove that feature entirely.

Oh, and as I understand it, the guy that made the comment about the Russians and WW2 actually meant it as some form of compliment (ie. RA fights until they've nothing left) instead of a dig at RA. Granted, he didn't do that good a job making that clear, so it came off REALLY badly, but I think he's just guilty of not thinking through his post all that well, instead of being a git

Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled flame.

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Originally by: CardboardSword42

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Welcome to my post, a page ago

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Originally by: Lunas Feelgood

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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel

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Well i guess its hard to claim if it was a logoff trap or not but the ppl who fight RA know too damn well that they use it on daily basis thats why beleiveing that RA won without using it is realy hard.

RA should enjoy this victory to the extent sicne these I win buttons they use are gonan expire one day ( Hope the WCS penalty come soon) and when login traps are made as an exploit i think we shall all see the real mettle of RA fighting which imo will prob be a nice dissbandment annoncment :P but thats just me imagining i guess

As for the D2 cheerleaders and their allies who coem here cheering for RA , why dont u go deal with the A** whooping that T1 noob fleet ( no dissrepsect to goons i am quoting D2 name) gave ya resulting in 9 dread and 2 carrier losses ?

Respect to ERA since i am very sure they have fought till the bitter END and also congrats to RA on their victory sicne till this moment it is a legitamite victory.

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I see no D2 comments about Red or ERA..

But since you took it up ill respond:

Im utterly amased that RA is still holding up..They got so many enemys and they are still kicking.. So for that Major respect..

And to Yazoul Samaiel about the goons/D2 etc.. Well ERA decide to run away join a coalition and then fight together wiht like 10k peeps against RA and then telling every1 how good they are?? Goons has stayed and are fighting and thats more then i can say about you or you hole pathetic former alliance....

And ERA are acusing RA with a log on trick?? well i sincerly doubt that RA would need it against an incompetent alliance as ERA. So stop whining or maybe you should just do what you do best run away.. And also Yazoul Samaiel I got no idea why a great alliance like BOB would even lat you in.

All you are is big mouth and got no skills ingame at all.. So im wonderign how much isk did you bribe BOB to be aloved in??

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Originally by: Darko1107

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TBH, we are all grown ups and i hate seeing all this "wah wah wah its lame" stuff that i see the kiddies saying in games like CS and Red Alert etc. RA are playing the game to its fullest within game mechanics, it might be frustrating, but you cant blame them for pulling out all the stops when they have so many alliances bareing down upon them.

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Originally by: Obivan Efa

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"What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"
Ha!
Loosing 11 capital war ships makes ERA stronger?
If so? ERA is the strongest allaince in EVE now!
Muhahahaha!

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Originally by: Obivan Efa

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"What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"
Ha!
Loosing 11 capital war ships makes ERA stronger?
If so? ERA is the strongest allaince in EVE now!
Muhahahaha!

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Originally by: Mirasta

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With the whole log intrap.

Its like the boy who cried wolf story.

The wolf allways pulled login traps and the one time he dident the wolf accused the boy of fitting WCS? or something like that...

Once you have made a name for your self thats it.

TBH Cyno traps on seiged dreads is superb tactically and if thats what you did then hats off to you, but if your gunna come and chest beat with a reputation like your selfs have then well... you bring it on your selfs really.

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Originally by: Fargas

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^^ new excuse =))))

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Originally by: Brother Tycho

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Although the loss of dreads was a blow to ERA as a single group of players, RA have made to many enemies, they may have won a battle but i highly doubt they will win the war.

If anything the loss has sealed there fate, next time numbers will be in our favor, we know what to expect and will be ready next time.

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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel

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...Lunas u realy should seek help dude coz u just sound like a 10 year old kiddo who goes waa waa waa ....

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Originally by: Burlock Ironfist

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Originally by: Fargas

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^^ new excuse =))))

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LOL no im not takign away from you the kills, just that i find it funny your count POS as capital ships....

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Originally by: Obivan Efa

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As we all can see in this part of forum there appears new threads like this and every last thread reports us about more and more triumph victory of RA.
1 dread killed
3 dread killed
5 dread killed
11 dread killed
I bet that there are some shortage of capital ships on the market

More foes for RA -> more victums of RA
I'm sure that RA is loosing now... Muhahahahahaha

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Originally by: Nafri

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Originally by: Burlock Ironfist

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Originally by: Fargas

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^^ new excuse =))))

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LOL no im not takign away from you the kills, just that i find it funny your count POS as capital ships....

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Shm, check out the video

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/RUSSOBR/Capital_Fleet_Battle_-_hi_res.avi

clearly capital vs capital

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Originally by: Nebuli

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Originally by: Nafri

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Originally by: Burlock Ironfist

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Originally by: Fargas

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^^ new excuse =))))

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LOL no im not takign away from you the kills, just that i find it funny your count POS as capital ships....

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Shm, check out the video

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/RUSSOBR/Capital_Fleet_Battle_-_hi_res.avi

clearly capital vs capital

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Well done, now for a cookie can you tell me what that huge round thing next to the capital ships was?

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Originally by: Nafri

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Originally by: Burlock Ironfist

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LOL no im not takign away from you the kills, just that i find it funny your count POS as capital ships....

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Shm, check out the video

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/RUSSOBR/Capital_Fleet_Battle_-_hi_res.avi

clearly capital vs capital

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Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer

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Post with your main.

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Originally by: Obivan Efa

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Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer

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Post with your main.

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It's my main char

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Originally by: Another Alt

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OMG! The Russki use the logoffski trapovski!
(Remember to add the -ski-ending to any tactic used by RA to remind everyone that they're Russians, and not humans. Is it a coincidence that a lot of the Coalition is from Germany?)

Well here's a newsflash for you:

SO DOES THE COALITION!

They're just ****ed off that RA uses it better.

Every tactic the Coalition accuses RA of, they indulge in themselves. I've seen it both as an adversary and a member. They use stabs, they use logon traps, they smack in local (badly). For every accusation of lame tactics thrown at RA, the Coalition should take a long, hard look in the mirror.

And yes, I'm an alt. I'm an alt of a member of a Coalition corporation, who's getting sick and tired of the outright racism Coalition members exhibit in their comments (Coalition, alliance and local chats) towards RA.

No, I won't post with my main, thank you very much. And yes, I'll be leaving the coalition. I've had about as much as I can stomach of the ****flingers prevalent there. I bid you goodbye and wish you luck in your next attempt to buy back C-J6MT outpost with jeans. Might want to check first that the defenders don't turn out to be British and French, like last time, though.

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Originally by: Laboratus

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Post the Cap vs Cap & POS fight to the video forum plz.

Would be cool to see it finally...

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Originally by: Another Alt

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OMG! The Russki use the logoffski trapovski!
(Remember to add the -ski-ending to any tactic used by RA to remind everyone that they're Russians, and not humans. Is it a coincidence that a lot of the Coalition is from Germany?)

Well here's a newsflash for you:

SO DOES THE COALITION!

They're just ****ed off that RA uses it better.

Every tactic the Coalition accuses RA of, they indulge in themselves. I've seen it both as an adversary and a member. They use stabs, they use logon traps, they smack in local (badly). For every accusation of lame tactics thrown at RA, the Coalition should take a long, hard look in the mirror.

And yes, I'm an alt. I'm an alt of a member of a Coalition corporation, who's getting sick and tired of the outright racism Coalition members exhibit in their comments (Coalition, alliance and local chats) towards RA.

No, I won't post with my main, thank you very much. And yes, I'll be leaving the coalition. I've had about as much as I can stomach of the ****flingers prevalent there. I bid you goodbye and wish you luck in your next attempt to buy back C-J6MT outpost with jeans. Might want to check first that the defenders don't turn out to be British and French, like last time, though.

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Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer
A main character doesn't not post for a year, and then show up in this thread.

You sir, are an RA alt. [)

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Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer

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Originally by: Another Alt

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OMG! The Russki use the logoffski trapovski!
(Remember to add the -ski-ending to any tactic used by RA to remind everyone that they're Russians, and not humans. Is it a coincidence that a lot of the Coalition is from Germany?)

Well here's a newsflash for you:

SO DOES THE COALITION!

They're just ****ed off that RA uses it better.

Every tactic the Coalition accuses RA of, they indulge in themselves. I've seen it both as an adversary and a member. They use stabs, they use logon traps, they smack in local (badly). For every accusation of lame tactics thrown at RA, the Coalition should take a long, hard look in the mirror.

And yes, I'm an alt. I'm an alt of a member of a Coalition corporation, who's getting sick and tired of the outright racism Coalition members exhibit in their comments (Coalition, alliance and local chats) towards RA.

No, I won't post with my main, thank you very much. And yes, I'll be leaving the coalition. I've had about as much as I can stomach of the ****flingers prevalent there. I bid you goodbye and wish you luck in your next attempt to buy back C-J6MT outpost with jeans. Might want to check first that the defenders don't turn out to be British and French, like last time, though.

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Post with your main.

(That's 2-0, in almost less than an hour!)

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Originally by: Obivan Efa

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Edited by: Obivan Efa on 24/07/2006 13:05:14

Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer
A main character doesn't not post for a year, and then show up in this thread.

You sir, are an RA alt. [)

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So what?

I have never been in RA and now I'm not the member of RA.... yet
But I like "RED Army" more and more.

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Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer

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Actually, you are already a member of RA, and have been for at least a year.

Post with your main.

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Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer

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Originally by: Obivan Efa

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Edited by: Obivan Efa on 24/07/2006 13:05:14

Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer
A main character doesn't not post for a year, and then show up in this thread.

You sir, are an RA alt. [)

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So what?

I have never been in RA and now I'm not the member of RA.... yet
But I like "RED Army" more and more.

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Actually, you are already a member of RA, and have been for at least a year.

Post with your main.

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Originally by: Obivan Efa

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Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer

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Actually, you are already a member of RA, and have been for at least a year.

Post with your main.

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ROTF
U are paranoic m8!
And what is my name in RA?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer

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Post with your main.

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Originally by: Obivan Efa

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Ask GM or forum moderator if u don't belive me

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Originally by: Burlock Ironfist

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i smell RA Alt-ski behind this...

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Originally by: Another Alt

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Since the admins have clearly stated (in the stickied thread, above), that alts used for simple trolling will be deleted, and they have ways of knowing who is who's main, I guess they can see and check who my main is and that my main is, indeed, a member of the Coalition. That's why my "troll" wasn't deleted.

I also notice nobody bothers to play the ball, but the man. Please feel free to debunk my claims: Have you never seen outright racist comments about RA members (or more accurately, PLAYERS behind the RA members) in any Coalition comms? I have. Daily. Several times per day. And here, too. "Russians don't know the meaning of the word sovereignity" was mentioned in another thread. The word twists I mentioned ("logoffski" etc) are a direct attempt to tie a tactic to a _player_ nationality and give it a negative connotation.

Tell you what: You disprove my claims, and I'll reveal who my main is.

So, all Chinese are macro-miners. All Russians are logoffski POS spammerski. I wonder what the next example of the superiority of The Western Man will be...

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Originally by: Abdalion

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Suggestion, please repeat after me; I will ignore the trolls, I will ignore the trolls.

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Originally by: Nafri

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This is the biggest capital vs capital fleetbattle Eve has ever seen. I wonder why only cause it happened next to a POS it souldnt be a capital vs capital fleetbattle?

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Originally by: Burzhuj

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Originally by: Nafri

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This is the biggest capital vs capital fleetbattle Eve has ever seen. I wonder why only cause it happened next to a POS it souldnt be a capital vs capital fleetbattle?

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Do you have any idea how else we can catch enemy dread fleet?

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