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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1139
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Posted - 2014.08.26 01:47:00 -
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Cu3ball wrote:This is the setup I use to 3/10 DEDs. Works great. Sure lvl 2's would be quick and easy. With good skills, the Orges have a top speed of 3400~ and Hammers have 4500~. With the Omni, both 1-2 shot frig's. Wardens are great for long range stuff.
You can ignore my highs and rigs. They don't really matter, just substitute for what ever works for you .
[Ishtar, Ishtar]
Improved Cloaking Device II Core Probe Launcher II (Sisters Core Scanner Probe) Auto Targeting System I Small Tractor Beam I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II (Tracking Speed Script) 2x Drone Navigation Computer II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron 10MN Afterburner II
2x Drone Damage Amplifier II Shadow Serpentis Armor Thermic Hardener Shadow Serpentis Armor Kinetic Hardener Medium Armor Repairer II
2x Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I
5x Hobgoblin II 5x Warden II 5x Ogre II 5x Hammerhead II
Good luck, hope this helps.
Not sure you really need pirate faction hardeners in level 2's
just saying :D
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12802
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Posted - 2014.08.26 11:43:00 -
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Its not like they are expensive Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Cu3ball
Edge of Darkness
4
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Posted - 2014.08.26 12:45:00 -
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They are about 20 mil apiece. You can easily swap them out for meta4/T2's. Fitting was just what I already was using. Ran a few lvl 2's last night, just to see how it does. Before I got to the gates, most of the frig's were dead. This might not be the 'best'. But it sure is fast and very easy.
Just my 2 isk. |
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
391
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:34:00 -
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Gila.
1 meta 4 medium nos. basic EM amp.
4x heavy missile launchers. Drone omni. Drone Nav. 3x DDA. 10 MN AB. DC invuln Large shield booster. All T2.
2 CPU rigs. shield extender rig.
Mission specific drones.
433 mil total.
816 max DPS. 666 M/S. 214.5 burst tank last about a min. 76 def sustained.
Cap stable with NOS and Booster off at 69%.
Drones will pop frigs fast and have plenty of speed to reduce flight time. Use the missiles on the bigger NPC's and those that are furtherest away. |
Derrick Diggler
I N E X T R E M I S Circle-Of-Two
10
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Posted - 2014.08.28 02:07:00 -
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I use Navy Caracal. Smashes through things like they are not there. Takes no time to move onto lvl 3's in it. Just an idea that. I am sure that any other cruiser would be just as nice. |
Carniflex
StarHunt Mordus Angels
289
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Posted - 2014.08.28 07:38:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:Gila.
1 meta 4 medium nos. basic EM amp.
4x heavy missile launchers. Drone omni. Drone Nav. 3x DDA. 10 MN AB. DC invuln Large shield booster. All T2.
2 CPU rigs. shield extender rig.
Mission specific drones.
433 mil total.
816 max DPS. 666 M/S. 214.5 burst tank last about a min. 76 def sustained.
Cap stable with NOS and Booster off at 69%.
Drones will pop frigs fast and have plenty of speed to reduce flight time. Use the missiles on the bigger NPC's and those that are furtherest away.
But that is not a Level 2 blitzing setup. This seems to be more suitable for L3's. It is overtanked, has issues applying that on-paper damage to the point Thorax would outperform it in L2's and it's warp speed is too slow, as you spend a lot of time in warp when doing L2's.
Besides, at that price-tag I would rather take Astrate or a T3.
On a related note, perhaps a new challenge would be indeed to come up with something under 500 mil that blitzes L2's and L3's the fastest. Or just skip the zoo and beeline straight to Marachiel ;)
I have done now around 30-40 L2's with these ships. Only problematic one is L2 damsel in distress so far where the spawning elite frigates get under your guns, but they do not point so you can just pop the pleasure hub and moonwalk out with the damsel. One drone L2 was also a bit odd where I had serious problems popping the drones at 20 km until they started burning towards me.
At the end of the day all three platforms are more or less equal which I tested (Brutix, Navy Exec and Thorax). Thorax's tracking bonus seems to cause better quality hits within ~30 km, Navy exec pulls slightly ahead in situations where there are a little more cruisers present as it pops them few seconds faster and Brutix advantage is ability to pop frigates at range with spike in one volley as it has the biggest alpha of them all. With 8% warp speed implant cruisers do 4.5 AU/s and Brutix does 4.2 AU/s. Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
erg cz
Sliperer
107
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Posted - 2014.08.28 09:52:00 -
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I did not found anything better, than a passive shield tanked Gnosis. Usually PvE requires active tank since the damage is spread in time much more (multiply spawns), then in short PvP combats, but passive shield tank on Gnosis usually lasts long enough to finish any L2 mission. You can fit bonused medium turrets of any kind and any size plus you have enough bandwidth for 2 sentry drones (2 more turrets) and enough bay for one full flight of heavily bonused scout drones. Plenty of slots. Large cargo hold for stuff and high slot for tractor. It is very fast in what concerns agility. |
Barton Breau
University of Caille Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2014.08.28 10:15:00 -
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Recently ran some low caldari missions and quite a few featured spawns 100+km away from each other, so a mwd might be a good idea.
But yes, worm will do it all, sometimes one has to back off a bit in l3s if passive tanked. |
Carniflex
StarHunt Mordus Angels
289
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Posted - 2014.08.28 10:31:00 -
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erg cz wrote:I did not found anything better, than a passive shield tanked Gnosis. Usually PvE requires active tank since the damage is spread in time much more (multiply spawns), then in short PvP combats, but passive shield tank on Gnosis usually lasts long enough to finish any L2 mission. You can fit bonused medium turrets of any kind and any size plus you have enough bandwidth for 2 sentry drones (2 more turrets) and enough bay for one full flight of heavily bonused scout drones. Plenty of slots. Large cargo hold for stuff and high slot for tractor. It is very fast in what concerns agility.
It indeed seems quite decent. Damage wise it's though in the same ballpark and engagement range as Thorax. Main advantage over Thorax seems to be the ability to get enough tank on it to last through easier L3's as well and very exceptional scan res on sensors allowing fast locking.
That out of the way it probably will not be any faster than Thorax or the other 2 I tried.
I EFT warriored up also a Marachiel fit with dual 425mm's and a rail proteus fit. Mach seems quite attractive and can be one size fits it all - only problem with it is that any red scout seeing it blip on dirscan attracts probably a bit too much attention and sooner or later I would encounter few cloaked recons waiting for me. Mach is certainly reasonably agile but not agile enough to warp before a recon can drop cloak, get a point and light a cyno. Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
Carniflex
StarHunt Mordus Angels
289
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Posted - 2014.08.28 10:33:00 -
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Barton Breau wrote:Recently ran some low caldari missions and quite a few featured spawns 100+km away from each other, so a mwd might be a good idea.
But yes, worm will do it all, sometimes one has to back off a bit in l3s if passive tanked.
It seems to be faster to have a sensor booster, switch script for targeting range and use Spike on 100 km targets with rails. the 250mm ones can reach more or less 100 km with spike and couple of tracking enhancers.
Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
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Heinrich Erquilenne
Foundation Cutting-Edge Mordus Angels
17
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Posted - 2014.08.28 13:23:00 -
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Mh what about a nano (navy) caracal with rapid light missiles and a couple of target painters? Just don't group weapons. Don't do overkill. Hopefully you'll be done witht he mission before you run out of ammo. |
Carniflex
StarHunt Mordus Angels
289
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Posted - 2014.08.28 15:33:00 -
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Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:Mh what about a nano (navy) caracal with rapid light missiles and a couple of target painters? Just don't group weapons. Don't do overkill. Hopefully you'll be done witht he mission before you run out of ammo.
I believe in the couple of the simplest ones this would be quite viable option. However, the second one hits the 45 sec reload timer it falls significantly behind the turret option as turret ship can delete a L2 frigate every ~3 seconds within approx 25 km .. 30 km. Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
Tolkaz Khamsi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2014.08.28 17:58:00 -
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Carniflex wrote:Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:Mh what about a nano (navy) caracal with rapid light missiles and a couple of target painters? Just don't group weapons. Don't do overkill. Hopefully you'll be done witht he mission before you run out of ammo. I believe in the couple of the simplest ones this would be quite viable option. However, the second one hits the 45 sec reload timer it falls significantly behind the turret option as turret ship can delete a L2 frigate every ~3 seconds within approx 25 km .. 30 km.
Yeah, I gave up on the Caracal as an L2/Rapid-Light mission runner for just this reason. The launcher takes too long to reload, which can really hurt your efficiency in missions like The Blockade or Gone Berserk. But then, I prefer guns/lazors to missile ships for mission running -- direct-damage weapons get it done faster. (I generally use drones as an augment to my DPS rather than the main component, too, but that's just because my gunnery skills are better than my drone skills.)
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Heinrich Erquilenne
Foundation Cutting-Edge Mordus Angels
17
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:03:00 -
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Tolkaz Khamsi wrote:Carniflex wrote:Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:Mh what about a nano (navy) caracal with rapid light missiles and a couple of target painters? Just don't group weapons. Don't do overkill. Hopefully you'll be done witht he mission before you run out of ammo. I believe in the couple of the simplest ones this would be quite viable option. However, the second one hits the 45 sec reload timer it falls significantly behind the turret option as turret ship can delete a L2 frigate every ~3 seconds within approx 25 km .. 30 km. Yeah, I gave up on the Caracal as an L2/Rapid-Light mission runner for just this reason. The launcher takes too long to reload, which can really hurt your efficiency in missions like The Blockade or Gone Berserk. But then, I prefer guns/lazors to missile ships for mission running -- direct-damage weapons get it done faster. (I generally use drones as an augment to my DPS rather than the main component, too, but that's just because my gunnery skills are better than my drone skills.)
Well then sentry drones have an excellent tracking. Get sentries out, sit and kill stuff. For long missions a nano VNI with a sensor booster could work just fine. Better tracking than railguns if you don't have perfect skills for them and no ammo issues. |
Linkxsc162534
Traps 'R' Us
100
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:17:00 -
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Honestly id roll in a t2 fit stabber. The smallest of the med guns, great dps, plus bonus tracking. Semiselectable damage. Then stick 2 lmls in the remaining highs. Works just like the thorax someone else mentioned, but a little less damage for a lot more range, and a bit more speed. Shieldfit it ofcourse, and pack on the warp/agility mods. |
Carniflex
StarHunt Mordus Angels
289
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Posted - 2014.08.29 03:14:00 -
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Linkxsc162534 wrote:Honestly id roll in a t2 fit stabber. The smallest of the med guns, great dps, plus bonus tracking. Semiselectable damage. Then stick 2 lmls in the remaining highs. Works just like the thorax someone else mentioned, but a little less damage for a lot more range, and a bit more speed. Shieldfit it ofcourse, and pack on the warp/agility mods.
I'm not quite following where would the stabber be getting this "lot more range". Railguns have better range than projectiles last I looked. If you fit artillery for getting similar range to 250mm rails you are doing overkills on frigates and have substantially smaller dps on targets that do not pop in one volley. If You fit AC you still have less dps than 250mm rails with navy antimatter and do not have the range. You would have ofc tracking advantage, but so far I have not observed tracking to be an issue with 250mm rails in L2 missions. Other than one mission where you can just pop the structure and warp off with the item needed.
It will work ofc, just like basically any cruiser does, but I do not believe it to be more effective. Perhaps I am missing something as I must admit I do not fly stabbers very often? Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
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