So if isk is the driving factor then the mechanic is broken? When will-power and bragging rights are the driving factor the mechanics are sound? No matter how utterly skewed and biased the mechanics actually were?

Well, by that standard we still win. We were at tier 4 before the push, and were at tier 4 now. People didnt earn a great deal of LP in this push. So its pretty clear that our motivation here was the same as your motivation back then. To win, not make isk.

Since the specific mechanics dont matter (by your standards) when judging if mechanics are broken, and all that matters is that occupancy is driven by the will to win and not isk, its pretty clear that our victory is every bit as valid as yours. Well, tbh a lot more valid since more than 20 people dominating the after downtime spawn can play now :)

Personal opinion, but folks who claim ISK UBER ALLES as the only valid determinant of the FW mechanics are missing the large number of folks for whom it's KMS UBER ALLES and GUDFITES UBER ALLES and EPEEN UBER ALLES. Sure, Tier and isk/LP ratios matter in terms of sustainability for a lot of pilots, but we Gallente haven't been in it for the iskies. Lots of us in the more active GalMil corps have relied on incursions / exploration / WHs / PI / industry for our isk rather than missions and plexing.

Point being - incentives matter, but the amount of influence they have is exactly how much influence you give them.

point is that you won war without enemy. ofc some people fight but reason is not always to keep systems, it is just to have fights.

point is that you won war without enemy. ofc some people fight but reason is not always to keep systems, it is just to have fights.

point is that you won war without enemy. ofc some people fight but reason is not always to keep systems, it is just to have fights.

Don't know what the fuss is all about. Most of the time, taking a home system generates a ton of content (Okkamon, Pav/Kinakka, Asakai), and sometimes it doesn't (Heyd, Ladistier). Whatever. We were in "Take Warzone Beast Mode" and accept that one of the consequences was no fights at the end.

The only thing lolworthy here is Squatdog's assessment only because he was spot on in his analysis. The way to beat the blob is to spread out and force fights in many places. The Amarr did this exact thing to the Minmatar when they were down to just Sahtogas and it worked for them. Caldari could have potentially royally griefed us Gallente militia neckbeards if they had employed this strategy BEFORE all the systems were taken. Maybe we would have adjusted, maybe we wouldn't have - we'll never know.

Whatever. Good to see you back. Never thought you'd leave.

I think it's time to add "We didn't want to maintain total warzone control anyways"

Edit: Also, you guys still have us in total time warzone controlled with a score of about 180 days to 4.

We knew it !! after all these moanings and crying a 0.0 alliance came to rescue our eternal frenemies :)

Welcome in Pasta , and welcome in leading Calmil they had waited for you to save them

(now they won't have to cynobitch to get some 0.0 alliance to come handle their fights for them , that a goo thing for liquid ozone availabilty

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Yeah, but how many Caldari leaders were actually active that had a reason to do that compared to the number of active Gallente.

But they were fine when you guys held the warzone. Im beginning to notice a pattern!

As for squatdog, i imagine he is just trolling. He wasnt even there for any of the systems that put up a defence. All he did was sit in Ladister for the 13 day campaign keeping it stable as though that was going to stop us.

Okkamon took us nearly a week to capture, numerical superiority swung from fairly even in EU tz, though they often stayed docked due to lack of FC, sometimes we would sit there plexing with 20-25 people in local as they logged in. They would be sat with equal numbers for sometimes 2 hours before making a move. Twice during Okkamon siege there were over 100 squids in 3 separate fleets during US tz compared to our 40-60 number. But ultimately their procrastination in the EU, lack of AU tz and inconsistent US tz cost them the system.

point is that you won war without enemy. ofc some people fight but reason is not always to keep systems, it is just to have fights.

Our (fail) leadership at the time did the same thing when you guys took the warzone. They quit at about Aldranette/Esesier and hoped that you'd move on to something else once you took the warzone.

reason why no one defend ladistier could be that all was attacking it with alts.

Once the US TZ blob disbanded, the remaining Gals got completely slaughtered to the point where they ran away and Ladi was deplexed from 22% to stable. Then the blob returned and peaked at 150+ for the ihub bash.

At present moment, there remains only 1 system controlled by Caldari in faction warfare (Ladistier). Even the most devoted low-sec Caldari pvp'ers could not protect their home systems from the Gal invasion, but there doesn't seem to be any forum activity regarding this fact.
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Don't know what the fuss is all about. Most of the time, taking a home system generates a ton of content (Okkamon, Pav/Kinakka, Asakai), and sometimes it doesn't (Heyd, Ladistier). Whatever. We were in "Take Warzone Beast Mode" and accept that one of the consequences was no fights at the end.

The only thing lolworthy here is Squatdog's assessment only because he was spot on in his analysis. The way to beat the blob is to spread out and force fights in many places. The Amarr did this exact thing to the Minmatar when they were down to just Sahtogas and it worked for them. Caldari could have potentially royally griefed us Gallente militia neckbeards if they had employed this strategy BEFORE all the systems were taken. Maybe we would have adjusted, maybe we wouldn't have - we'll never know.

Whatever. Good to see you back. Never thought you'd leave.

I think it's time to add "We didn't want to maintain total warzone control anyways"

Edit: Also, you guys still have us in total time warzone controlled with a score of about 180 days to 4.

Sure they could have tried to spread out the blob to keep the systems. But no one cared enough to bother. At least not the people who have been in fw long enough to really understand the occupancy mechanics.

The pvp corps are leaving and being replaced with corps where every member has a plexing alt. Call it the "new Gallente."

The forums are full of the same very vocal 6 people who think fw occupancy is something worth caring about.

That's their option. Eve is a sandbox afterall.

Meanwhile those 6 guys are getting lots of pvp in FW precisely because they "care" about it. Yesterday it was Tama. We lost the system but got some really good pew out of it.

We were terrible though, we were outnumbered 2 to 1 so we docked up. OH WAIT, we didnt.

Dont worry we got this caldari. Tama now warzone next

Please please please attack Nis.