I don't understand how Caldari didn't take at least a couple systems back to prevent 100% warzone dominance. They can easily plex back systems far beyond the reach of where Gallente base out of. This would've been a good troll.

I don't understand how Caldari didn't take at least a couple systems back to prevent 100% warzone dominance. They can easily plex back systems far beyond the reach of where Gallente base out of. This would've been a good troll.

They can easily plex back systems far beyond the reach of where Gallente base out of. This would've been a good troll.

No one can be bothered to babysit a system 18 hours per day and make sure they don't deplex everything you just plexed.

Structure bashing was probably the most fun thing Gallente did in the last month, so them talking about our "tears on this subject" posts is amusing. Tryhards.

inb4 QQ more.

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See, this is what I'm talking about. What is this I don't even. Maybe if you figured out how to fight and hold your home systems you wouldn't be in this situation.

We did, and we withstood your hordes of farmer alts (which btw you've always had more of until the last month or so) and siege attempts on our base systems . Anyway, view this as a favor for both of us. Maybe CCP will realize that increasingly rewarding the faction with the upperhand, through consistently increasing lp with each tier, is the dumbest way to run a perpetual war.

There should be built in emergency braking as the steep downhill looms closer. Plenty of rp and backstory rationales could be used to explain it. Planetary rebellions in conquered territories accumulate strength over time, or supply lines and war funds become stretched as the complete victory comes closer. Whatever. This situation can be fixed by CCP. Whether you lot will realize what you are doing wrong and actually fix it who knows.

And, btw, it's been a blast of pvp. Only not with calmil. Which is the true tragedy of the situation.

I don't see what you are talking about. We did figure it out - sorry we don't have an advantageous time-zone spread and an abundance of time to compete over the little bar in the top left corner.
How many farmers have actually been relevant ever since the plex changes? I mean people joining Caldari to plex farm are the same people who have a hanger in Jita and constantly ask if Tama is clear. Those are typically new people who join to "try out PvP and earn some cash on the side" but end up flying some borke risk averse fit that doesn't really farm plexs well and all it does is warp out as soon as they hear the engagement beep.

Caldari farmers are extinct, not Squids. Same squids that were playing are the same ones logging on now. And there aren't/weren't as many as you keep repeating we have. It's flattering even.

Or, you know, those of us in Gal Mil could just stop constantly pushing Cal Mil out of every home they try and make and thus causing all the problems you claim CCP should be responsible for. But why take ownership when you can blame someone else \o/

I'd rather have a game opponent that eventually learns through tough knocks to the point where they actually become a real challenge to beat, than one I can just keep boringly beating up on so much that I play other games all the time. vOv

With 6000 to 9000 toons

Recently, I persuaded my friends to return to Calmil after they got tired being pirate for 3 months.
And now, they has trouble re-deploying. Where did Calmil move to after losing their home system?

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TZ differential has nothing to do with it. With 6000 to 9000 toons in your militia you've had plenty of numerical tz coverage.

Its not all about plexing alts, people have to have a reason to stay in a militia that isn't just sitting in a plex 24/7.

Are squids complaining of plexing alts?

Hahahahahahahahahaha! Now that is funny!


FW is dead regardless...broken mechanics that encourage kicking the other side out of lo-sec. Absolutely brilliant!!!!!

Edit - As long as docking rights are tied to occupancy, I'm done with FW. Five years to go from complaining that there were not enough squids in lo-sec to actively kicking them out.... What a waste.

Why are people allowed to switch sides according to who is actually winning ?
I would personaly never switch side because it seems unrealistic and lame to me. It is like jumping between axis and allies or horde and alliance to me. I dont give a crap if we are loosing or winning once I join one side i stay.
Or are pilots just mercenaries ?

the war was irrelevant. People are just whining. If you lost you lost, it is no one else fault except of your side.

It probably has something to do with Caldari being an un-cooridnated mess that can't pull anything close to a proper gang while Gal-Mil are quite capable of fielding decent sized HAC fleets.

Its not all about plexing alts, people have to have a reason to stay in a militia that isn't just sitting in a plex 24/7.

The war IS irrelevant...
No one is whining. We are just baffled.
We lost a label and you make it sound like we lost an arm and a leg.

gf.

I'm going to say some stuff that will probably make some of my militia pilots and corpmates irate, but it needs to be said.

There is simply no need to continue beating up on an opponent that is not as coordinated and experienced as we are. Everyone around here already knows that Gallente is superior in virtually every facet of FW. We are overachievers, in fact.

I'm just coming back into the game. I no longer have the sort of time that I used to have for this game. When I log on, I just want to create fun content or be a part of it. Logging on and seeing 30-50 pilots plexing a system with no competition. Moaning on comms about why the enemy hasn't shown up. That's not fun. Being a cog in the machine. Trying to get a word in with 5 other people talking over each other. Not fun. Being in a large group where I can't get to know my fellow gamers. Where I can't teach and/or learn from my fellow pilots. Sucks.

The ethos of FW was always about a place where you can have an impact. Where you're not just a number. Where multiple groups of pilots can have an impact. A place where our personal actions truly matter and will have a ripple effect throughout the warzone.

Man. Things have truly changed over the last two years I've been here. Nowadays, people are more interested in trying to get 500 kills a month rather than find meaning and impact in some of their battles.

We blame CCP for the current mechanics without taking any responsibility. We grief the competition and constantly kick them out of their space because we can. We tell them that it's not our fault we're highly organized and that they need to step up their game. But to accept personal responsibility for the current ecosystem we've created. Never.

An interesting narrative that we tell and convince ourself of nowadays.

This narrative sounds familiar to another large group of pilots in another region of space....

MBLOC could not care less about warzone control and while I love the guys, really can't fly much beyond frigs.

Interesting point cheesus ;)


The failure of the Caldari Militia to provide any meaningful resistance is the direct result of successive generations of inept leadership and egotistical fleet commanders, who believed that they could win the war effort on their own without coordinating with fellow Caldari membership.

It really is amazing how all the people who dont play eve any more seem to want input as though their opinion matters in the slightest.
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TL;DR, basically, join QCATS, play LOL, stop posting.

It really is amazing how all the people who dont play eve any more seem to want input as though their opinion matters in the slightest.

informing snuff of when fights happened and hoping for the best in a 3 way

i think if we had saved innia for last they MAY have all come together to fight for it. I viewed Innia as their version of our Eha, and we head-shotted it.

It's Robocraft now!



Some of us stopped playing for a reason, still follow the game from a distance and still know enough about the game to be able to form coherent opinions about what could make the game better.

Not defending anyone in particular, but making the point that someone who doesn't play much can still have valid input.

While I agree with your first points about why I joined the warzone/FW/Eve ( I really hate 20+ fights) and probably one of the main reasons I haven't been playing much at all (other than PvE'ing) since the Huola campaign, I disagree with putting blame on ourselves.

Maybe this will be CalMils forge.

I've heard talks over the year about certain FCs or leaders wanting to switch over to Caldari for the sake of GFs and reclaiming that exhilaration of the game and of fighting outnumbered. But everyone talks themself out of it because

A) They know it's more work than they want to put into it.
B) And that one person's contributions will have no impact on CalMil.
C) They're likely to get primaried right off the bat in any fight for being a turncoat

PS- I don't get the obsession with people getting angry about how QCATS dedicate their time to this game or lack thereof. Or what other games they play and the bitter passive aggressive vitriol people have had towards them for years. They are good people.

I came in when they were at their peak and started to slow down. It's like some big insecurity some of you have with them...that their casual playstyle and idealogies is so different from yours that people choose to ostracize them or those who share similar views. Not everyone is unemployed or has time to play 30 hours a week.

They were the pillar of GalMil for years. Their FC lineup was stellar. The ecosystem that Gallente has today is partly because of what they built. God forbid that I mention I play some other game or make an opinion contrary to the Gallente mainstream, and get ostracized for it in public or private.

It's Robocraft now!



Some of us stopped playing for a reason, still follow the game from a distance and still know enough about the game to be able to form coherent opinions about what could make the game better.

Not defending anyone in particular, but making the point that someone who doesn't play much can still have valid input.

It really is amazing how all the people who dont play eve any more seem to want input as though their opinion matters in the slightest.

Making suggestions about the game is one thing, ...!

Does the opinion of formerly active players matter in the slightest or not?

It's not about putting blame on us per se. But I think that we have to see ourselves as keepers of the flame...err the game. I guess there is a certain naivete in my statement. Afterall, we are conditioned to want to win at all cost and the idealogy of sportsmanship and going easy on your opponent makes me sound crazy and foolish in such a cutthroat game. But I know this game and FW is flawed and will never be perfect. Which is why I think it's important to see how our contributions impact the game as well rather than simply putting the burden on the enemy.

Exactly. That is what many pilots gravitate towards. That's what we hunger for.

It's not about putting blame on us per se. But I think that we have to see ourselves as keepers of the flame...err the game. I guess there is a certain naivete in my statement. Afterall, we are conditioned to want to win at all cost and the idealogy of sportsmanship and going easy on your opponent makes me sound crazy and foolish in such a cutthroat game. But I know this game and FW is flawed and will never be perfect. Which is why I think it's important to see how our contributions impact the game as well rather than simply putting the burden on the enemy.

Gratz to galmil

Just gonna give a quick synopsis from the calmil side of the last few months and a little explanation as to why things went the way they did.

Basically once galmil were able to ship into ishtars / other hacs / t2 logi consistently it was all over. Sure the warzone was still reasonably close at the time, but it was over right then. Most of calmil (both general mil and even within the major alliances) cannot fly many t2 ships and basically all out refuses to fly anything worth more than 50 mil (and even that is a stretch). Can't tell you how many times I asked for shinier or bigger ships and got condors. Its just amazing.

The only real counter we had was trying to pull in nullsec alliances to assist (which was hit or miss), informing snuff of when fights happened and hoping for the best in a 3 way, or dropping caps (yup that was my chimera ya'll saw in basically every fight for a solid 2 weeks, good on ya'll to finally get it when we screwed up a drop w/ RZR)

Along with the sheer inability to ship up you have basically Templis operating as their own entity, straight up refusing the rest of the militia into their fleets quite often. MBLOC could not care less about warzone control and while I love the guys, really can't fly much beyond frigs. Then you have the non-stop drama from GHIOT which has caused obscene amounts of infighting detracting from our ability to fight gals.

So anyway.... props to gals on taking over everything, the pressure ya'll applied really just kept calmil reeling and they couldn't ever recover post-innia. Really enjoyed running fleets against ya'll, don't really recall ever being headshotted while fc'ing at all.

Sorry for length:

TL:DR: Calmil shoots itself in foot, galmil applies pressure

[not throwing away isk]

It's not about putting blame on us per se. But I think that we have to see ourselves as keepers of the flame...err the game. I guess there is a certain naivete in my statement. Afterall, we are conditioned to want to win at all cost and the idealogy of sportsmanship and going easy on your opponent makes me sound crazy and foolish in such a cutthroat game. But I know this game and FW is flawed and will never be perfect. Which is why I think it's important to see how our contributions impact the game as well rather than simply putting the burden on the enemy.

I have this great MinutemanKirk story that I'd like to share some other time about how we purposely downsized our fleet to fight a Bolsterbomb gang back in the day. It's a great lesson on restraint. One of the first lessons I learned when trying to FC.

In fact, as time passes by, I'm more inclined to believe it's not even how bad Caldari is, but how much we overachieve as a group. You could replace Blue Steel with the Golden Army or Trust In Rust, and I think the Green Machine would still win out. We are THAT organized.

PS- I don't get the obsession with people getting angry about how QCATS dedicate their time to this game or lack thereof. Or what other games they play and the bitter passive aggressive vitriol people have had towards them for years. They are good people.

I came in when they were at their peak and started to slow down. It's like some big insecurity some of you have with them...that their casual playstyle and idealogies is so different from yours that people choose to ostracize them or those who share similar views. Not everyone is unemployed or has time to play 30 hours a week.

I am sure there were discussions and debates over it, but at the end of the day no one forces anyone to do anything thing.

and before things were like that FW was dead because the war was irrelevant. People are just whining. If you lost you lost, it is no one else fault except of your side. Organize and go take back something, and stop whining.

TL;DR, basically, join QCATS, play LOL, stop posting.

What's the matter Crosi....not happy that someone outside QCats doesn't drink the same Kool-Aid?

Don't worry...we'll be out of your hair soon enough...

Come and go as you wish. But if you think its cool for your corpmate to come here and call people idiotic polesmokers for playing a computer game in a certain way, then get offended when the criticism is reversed, were better of without you.

So that justifies you attempting to shut down Deen's dissenting opinion with a snide quip? Not to mention an entire corp because one member ruffled your feathers?

Sensitive much?

But nex is justified in calling the leadership of the entire gallente militia polesmokers and idiots?

Inconsistent much?

Deens opinion has been addressed very well by his own corpmates and a few caldari militia peeps.

Nexx is a BAMF who has killed more squids than most Gal corps. It is no secret that he never holds back on his opinion and he is more than free to express that opinion. While I may not approve of his delivery methods...if you have an issue with him, then man up and take it to him. Don't be some forum douche throwing snide remarks about a corp you can't even bothered to communicate with when in the same alliance.

Nex is a BAMF who can randomly generalise and a abuse people, as is his right because kb. I suggest that inactive players opinions in a corp that did almost nothing in this push is irrelevant and IM the douche lol. I have to hope this is a troll.

As for the alliance, since qcats lack any consistent leadership i have been supporting your EU tz and helped getting them content for the last year around nisuwa. I persoanlly supplied and FC'd the vast majority of the nisuwa defence against tekithas talons of blood and probably spent more time herding cats than anyone since chatgris. I know, i dont register on forums or join in with pointlessly doomed vindicator fleets so im not a team player. Ok crom lol.

Good luck in your future of not logging in.

So as with Dean's post....any dissention is to be ignored and deemed irrelevant? As if we haven't done anything in the last 5 years of FW ourselves?

Not quite, its irrelevant because no one cares what deen or qcats opinion on the push was. The time was perfect for it. Not doing so would have been a massive missed opportunity to bring the militia closer and trial by fire for many new peeps in wide open fleets as is testified in these various threads.

Exactly. That is what many pilots gravitate towards. That's what we hunger for.

It's not about putting blame on us per se. But I think that we have to see ourselves as keepers of the flame...err the game. I guess there is a certain naivete in my statement. Afterall, we are conditioned to want to win at all cost and the idealogy of sportsmanship and going easy on your opponent makes me sound crazy and foolish in such a cutthroat game. But I know this game and FW is flawed and will never be perfect. Which is why I think it's important to see how our contributions impact the game as well rather than simply putting the burden on the enemy.

I have this great MinutemanKirk story that I'd like to share some other time about how we purposely downsized our fleet to fight a Bolsterbomb gang back in the day. It's a great lesson on restraint. One of the first lessons I learned when trying to FC.



We've heard this one for many years. Caldari has always been like this. In fact, as time passes by, I'm more inclined to believe it's not even how bad Caldari is, but how much we overachieve as a group. You could replace Blue Steel with the Golden Army or Trust In Rust, and I think the Green Machine would still win out. We are THAT organized.

I've heard talks over the year about certain FCs or leaders wanting to switch over to Caldari for the sake of GFs and reclaiming that exhilaration of the game and of fighting outnumbered. But everyone talks themself out of it because

A) They know it's more work than they want to put into it.
B) And that one person's contributions will have no impact on CalMil.
C) They're likely to get primaried right off the bat in any fight for being a turncoat

PS- I don't get the obsession with people getting angry about how QCATS dedicate their time to this game or lack thereof. Or what other games they play and the bitter passive aggressive vitriol people have had towards them for years. They are good people.

I came in when they were at their peak and started to slow down. It's like some big insecurity some of you have with them...that their casual playstyle and idealogies is so different from yours that people choose to ostracize them or those who share similar views. Not everyone is unemployed or has time to play 30 hours a week.

They were the pillar of GalMil for years. Their FC lineup was stellar. The ecosystem that Gallente has today is partly because of what they built. God forbid that I mention I play some other game or make an opinion contrary to the Gallente mainstream, and get ostracized for it in public or private.

we have plans to go in a different direction to attempt to resurrect our interest in this game

Edit - If the squids rebound...we still have the option to return for some good old squid bashing.

Seems like TesT is coming back with Brave if so would you stay ? ^^

Seems like TesT is coming back with Brave if so would you stay ? ^^

I thought brave already had a 100+ member corp in gal mil

I thought brave already had a 100+ member corp in gal mil

I don't understand how Caldari didn't take at least a couple systems back to prevent 100% warzone dominance. They can easily plex back systems far beyond the reach of where Gallente base out of. This would've been a good troll.

no profit on that, better to grind highsec level 4 missions than farm fw plexes with tier 1.

CCP nerfed fw farming once again to point where it is not profitable enough, and same happened than last time, someone took all systems because farmers who were supposed to keep thing moving are gone.

why it was gallente who took systems was clear, caldari vetarans quit long time ago when CCP did same nerf and i bet they are not coming back to take systems, so gallente was once again kicking ball to empty goal after game was over.

CCP sure can not learn from their previous mistakes.

We got fights everywhere apart from your home ground. You speak for a militia that either thinks your group are ignorant at best or for the most part have no idea you exist.

The goal was open because you have no team.

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Get over yourself.

If you guys were half as good at [insert stuff] as you are at [insert more stuff] that would help also. :)

risk averse

This may come as a shock but, no one in this game is obligated to give you a "good fight". Improvise, adapt and overcome, or get crushed beneath a mighty boot.

This may come as a shock but, no one in this game is obligated to give you a "good fight". Improvise, adapt and overcome, or get crushed beneath a mighty boot.

Just saying that by being mindful you can avoid being a bloody hypocrite. I'm not sure why you think I think you are obliged to do anything. It's actually flattering that you keep doing the same nonsense all the time.

Enjoy Docking in Jita btw. At least the market is stocked

look at you forum warrioring you carebear you.

And you wouldn't need to deploy 3 Guardians and a random assortment of T3s and HACs to fight a Nighthawk and a bunch of frigs.

But tryharding is the trend, all the cool kids are doing it.

Uh oh, Caldari just flipped two systems back to back.

Rumors abound as to some variant of hi-sec or non-FW lowsec. You would have thought that once they lost Kinakka, those squids would have just collapsed back to the next home system and so forth and so forth. For some reason though when the going gets tough over there they prefer to just drop FW or move to hi-sec.

There were at least two of the sieges that would have been swung/lasted too long for us if the squids had engaged in even some basic moves helping each other out.

It is what it is though, they'd prefer to give up and talk about the farming alts that took Kinakka, or the Gall deplexing alt that killed all the Diesel corp squids pushing up the backwater systems threatening the WZ push.

I'm not sure why you are so proud of yourselves. It's like the Persians boasting about being victorious over the Greeks at Thermopylae.

This is EVE dude. Its literally what everyone on every side in the history of ever has and always does. EVE is real.

This may come as a shock but, no one in this game is obligated to give you a "good fight". Improvise, adapt and overcome, or get crushed beneath a mighty boot.

I'm not sure why you are so proud of yourselves. It's like the Persians boasting about being victorious over the Greeks at Thermopylae.

I'm sure Gallente having about 3 or 4 times the active numbers has nothing to do with it.

It's difficult to defend a system with 5-8 guys against a 24 / 7 plex fleet of 40 to 60. Literally logged in at 5:00 AM randomly with 50 frogs in Pav.

Even with a coordinated Caldari defense effort, which there were at times, we were unable to stave off the endless hordes of Frogs. There are simply too many.

I'm not sure why you are so proud of yourselves. It's like the Persians boasting about being victorious over the Greeks at Thermopylae.

Hey, Yuri and his infinite brilliance in action!

I'm sure Gallente having about 3 or 4 times the active numbers has nothing to do with it.

It's difficult to defend a system with 5-8 guys against a 24 / 7 plex fleet of 40 to 60. Literally logged in at 5:00 AM randomly with 50 frogs in Pav.

Even with a coordinated Caldari defense effort, which there were at times, we were unable to stave off the endless hordes of Frogs. There are simply too many.

I'm not sure why you are so proud of yourselves. It's like the Persians boasting about being victorious over the Greeks at Thermopylae.

This.

The only reason Caldari managed to flip two systems so quickly was that it was during Russian primetime, with numerous Russian pirate corps persuaded to help even the odds against the inevitable Gallente blob. If it was US TZ, there would be 50+ Gal polesmokers looking for 'good fights'.

Also, the rampant farming of Gallente defensives by stabbed, cloaky farming alts has devalued Gal LP to the point where it's no longer as lucrative for non-militia entities to AFK 'defend' with T1 frigs.

I dont really know of anyone who completely left calmil for gallente. Except for Borg maybe. We got tired of Khan Farshatok and his Napoleon/Vladimir Putin/Joseph Stalin/******/The Godfather/Anne Hathaway complex.

He's a turd and you can keep him and his minions.

I dont really know of anyone who completely left calmil for gallente. Except for Borg maybe. We got tired of Khan Farshatok and his Napoleon/Vladimir Putin/Joseph Stalin/******/The Godfather/Anne Hathaway complex.

He's a turd and you can keep him and his minions.

yei, victory, VICTORY

take it squids....take it

When we come there we take your homes. Perhaps it would be a good idea not giving us a reason to take your home again.

Then you lose the systems in a matter of days because Gallente can't blob everywhere at once...and as we all know, if Gallente can't blob, they can't fight.

Then you lose the systems in a matter of days because Gallente can't blob everywhere at once...and as we all know, if Gallente can't blob, they can't fight.

If that's true, why didn't you try it BEFORE we took all the systems?

Possible Reasons:
1. Lack of competitive spirit.
2. Enjoy giving up the entire warzone.
3. Wait for Gallente to achieve goal so they don't try as hard.

Pushing Calmil out will mean that us in GalMil will be free for the true objective.... claiming Nullsec systems FOR THE FEDERATION!

Rational stuff.

A detailed account of the last few weeks



Right now while FW sov can generate content it boils down to which side is willing to sit at their computer 16 hours a day, fights or no fights. Sometimes if no one is willing to fight you, you have to do a little work to get said fights (such as the small group that pushed vlil because some screaming war eagles didn't want to fight us ) but if you call everyone everytime you want to take a system you shouldn't be surprised that people with smaller numbers or less time to invest just find it easier to just deny you guys content and take the system back at their convenience after the blob moves on. That's not to say calmil corps won't come out for a few fights, we're just not going to go full neckbeard for weeks on end.

You guys are really good at blobbing systems though, congrats. You're starting to play FW a lot like some people play null, so I honestly don't blame corporations like QCATS for wanting to leave FW with a distaste for the way FW has been going since they cannot just log in and go a couple jumps for pew pew like the "good ole days".

This doesn't mean cal mil is going to go anywhere though and you should realize that by now. FW mechanics still require you to spread out instead of show up for a reinforcement timer with hundreds of dudes like it is in null if you want to hold everything. Maybe you guys should just declare the entire warzone a fortress and stock ships in every system

If that's true, why didn't you try it BEFORE we took all the systems?

Possible Reasons:
1. Lack of competitive spirit.
2. Enjoy giving up the entire warzone.
3. Wait for Gallente to achieve goal so they don't try as hard.

Just LOL , remind me which systems we lost? hysera and heyd .. 2 systems of UCF/REVO/old man gang and all the Russians pirates of lowsec , did'nt see many calmil in the area when the fell and i don't think calmil has something to do with this sov swap..

Don't know what the fuss is all about. Most of the time, taking a home system generates a ton of content (Okkamon, Pav/Kinakka, Asakai), and sometimes it doesn't (Heyd, Ladistier). Whatever. We were in "Take Warzone Beast Mode" and accept that one of the consequences was no fights at the end.

The only thing lolworthy here is Squatdog's assessment only because he was spot on in his analysis. The way to beat the blob is to spread out and force fights in many places. The Amarr did this exact thing to the Minmatar when they were down to just Sahtogas and it worked for them. Caldari could have potentially royally griefed us Gallente militia neckbeards if they had employed this strategy BEFORE all the systems were taken. Maybe we would have adjusted, maybe we wouldn't have - we'll never know.

Whatever. Good to see you back. Never thought you'd leave.

I think it's time to add "We didn't want to maintain total warzone control anyways"

Edit: Also, you guys still have us in total time warzone controlled with a score of about 180 days to 4.

Thing is simple, it is not profitable to plex on tier 1 anymore, so no one does it , game mechanics is broken just like it was last time gallente took all systems.

Thing is simple, it is not profitable to plex on tier 1 anymore, so no one does it , game mechanics is broken just like it was last time gallente took all systems.

Whereas it wasn't way back when you took the warzone?

To be serious with you BM, we all agree that the lp system is ******. And we've been saying so. But it wasn't lp farmers that plexed your home systems and flipped the bunkers.

Anyway, love the tears of those others that complain about gallente "blobs". Love the claims of "200 Gallente in local" (obviously someone who's overview is so ****** up he can't differentiate between neutrals and Galmil but only sees those that aren't blue or purple to him). Love to see ole' Squat Dog back and posting.

As was just said above, don't worry, you'll have a nullsec alliance join you soon. Eventually your Navy Raven farming hordes will be back and all will be well.

But they were fine when you guys held the warzone. Im beginning to notice a pattern!

As for squatdog, i imagine he is just trolling. He wasnt even there for any of the systems that put up a defence. All he did was sit in Ladister for the 13 day campaign keeping it stable as though that was going to stop us.

Okkamon took us nearly a week to capture, numerical superiority swung from fairly even in EU tz, though they often stayed docked due to lack of FC, sometimes we would sit there plexing with 20-25 people in local as they logged in. They would be sat with equal numbers for sometimes 2 hours before making a move. Twice during Okkamon siege there were over 100 squids in 3 separate fleets during US tz compared to our 40-60 number. But ultimately their procrastination in the EU, lack of AU tz and inconsistent US tz cost them the system.

Back when Caldari took all systems there was no isk/lp reward at all, so making isk was not driving everyone to join one side and farm easy money :).

I bet there is no single Caldari who is mad about losing system for their own farming alts, but thing that even everyone is happy with current easy isk with tier 4 for ever system, it is not still working as game mechanics CCP inteded it to be.

So if isk is the driving factor then the mechanic is broken? When will-power and bragging rights are the driving factor the mechanics are sound? No matter how utterly skewed and biased the mechanics actually were?

Well, by that standard we still win. We were at tier 4 before the push, and were at tier 4 now. People didnt earn a great deal of LP in this push. So its pretty clear that our motivation here was the same as your motivation back then. To win, not make isk.

Since the specific mechanics dont matter (by your standards) when judging if mechanics are broken, and all that matters is that occupancy is driven by the will to win and not isk, its pretty clear that our victory is every bit as valid as yours. Well, tbh a lot more valid since more than 20 people dominating the after downtime spawn can play now :)

Personal opinion, but folks who claim ISK UBER ALLES as the only valid determinant of the FW mechanics are missing the large number of folks for whom it's KMS UBER ALLES and GUDFITES UBER ALLES and EPEEN UBER ALLES. Sure, Tier and isk/LP ratios matter in terms of sustainability for a lot of pilots, but we Gallente haven't been in it for the iskies. Lots of us in the more active GalMil corps have relied on incursions / exploration / WHs / PI / industry for our isk rather than missions and plexing.

Point being - incentives matter, but the amount of influence they have is exactly how much influence you give them.

point is that you won war without enemy. ofc some people fight but reason is not always to keep systems, it is just to have fights.

point is that you won war without enemy. ofc some people fight but reason is not always to keep systems, it is just to have fights.

point is that you won war without enemy. ofc some people fight but reason is not always to keep systems, it is just to have fights.

Don't know what the fuss is all about. Most of the time, taking a home system generates a ton of content (Okkamon, Pav/Kinakka, Asakai), and sometimes it doesn't (Heyd, Ladistier). Whatever. We were in "Take Warzone Beast Mode" and accept that one of the consequences was no fights at the end.

The only thing lolworthy here is Squatdog's assessment only because he was spot on in his analysis. The way to beat the blob is to spread out and force fights in many places. The Amarr did this exact thing to the Minmatar when they were down to just Sahtogas and it worked for them. Caldari could have potentially royally griefed us Gallente militia neckbeards if they had employed this strategy BEFORE all the systems were taken. Maybe we would have adjusted, maybe we wouldn't have - we'll never know.

Whatever. Good to see you back. Never thought you'd leave.

I think it's time to add "We didn't want to maintain total warzone control anyways"

Edit: Also, you guys still have us in total time warzone controlled with a score of about 180 days to 4.

We knew it !! after all these moanings and crying a 0.0 alliance came to rescue our eternal frenemies :)

Welcome in Pasta , and welcome in leading Calmil they had waited for you to save them

(now they won't have to cynobitch to get some 0.0 alliance to come handle their fights for them , that a goo thing for liquid ozone availabilty

I heard

Gallente
next 36h
Tama
Something
Something

Confirm?

Yeah, but how many Caldari leaders were actually active that had a reason to do that compared to the number of active Gallente.

But they were fine when you guys held the warzone. Im beginning to notice a pattern!

As for squatdog, i imagine he is just trolling. He wasnt even there for any of the systems that put up a defence. All he did was sit in Ladister for the 13 day campaign keeping it stable as though that was going to stop us.

Okkamon took us nearly a week to capture, numerical superiority swung from fairly even in EU tz, though they often stayed docked due to lack of FC, sometimes we would sit there plexing with 20-25 people in local as they logged in. They would be sat with equal numbers for sometimes 2 hours before making a move. Twice during Okkamon siege there were over 100 squids in 3 separate fleets during US tz compared to our 40-60 number. But ultimately their procrastination in the EU, lack of AU tz and inconsistent US tz cost them the system.

point is that you won war without enemy. ofc some people fight but reason is not always to keep systems, it is just to have fights.

Our (fail) leadership at the time did the same thing when you guys took the warzone. They quit at about Aldranette/Esesier and hoped that you'd move on to something else once you took the warzone.

reason why no one defend ladistier could be that all was attacking it with alts.

Once the US TZ blob disbanded, the remaining Gals got completely slaughtered to the point where they ran away and Ladi was deplexed from 22% to stable. Then the blob returned and peaked at 150+ for the ihub bash.

At present moment, there remains only 1 system controlled by Caldari in faction warfare (Ladistier). Even the most devoted low-sec Caldari pvp'ers could not protect their home systems from the Gal invasion, but there doesn't seem to be any forum activity regarding this fact.
Did I miss something?

Don't know what the fuss is all about. Most of the time, taking a home system generates a ton of content (Okkamon, Pav/Kinakka, Asakai), and sometimes it doesn't (Heyd, Ladistier). Whatever. We were in "Take Warzone Beast Mode" and accept that one of the consequences was no fights at the end.

The only thing lolworthy here is Squatdog's assessment only because he was spot on in his analysis. The way to beat the blob is to spread out and force fights in many places. The Amarr did this exact thing to the Minmatar when they were down to just Sahtogas and it worked for them. Caldari could have potentially royally griefed us Gallente militia neckbeards if they had employed this strategy BEFORE all the systems were taken. Maybe we would have adjusted, maybe we wouldn't have - we'll never know.

Whatever. Good to see you back. Never thought you'd leave.

I think it's time to add "We didn't want to maintain total warzone control anyways"

Edit: Also, you guys still have us in total time warzone controlled with a score of about 180 days to 4.

Sure they could have tried to spread out the blob to keep the systems. But no one cared enough to bother. At least not the people who have been in fw long enough to really understand the occupancy mechanics.

The pvp corps are leaving and being replaced with corps where every member has a plexing alt. Call it the "new Gallente."

The forums are full of the same very vocal 6 people who think fw occupancy is something worth caring about.

That's their option. Eve is a sandbox afterall.

Meanwhile those 6 guys are getting lots of pvp in FW precisely because they "care" about it. Yesterday it was Tama. We lost the system but got some really good pew out of it.

We were terrible though, we were outnumbered 2 to 1 so we docked up. OH WAIT, we didnt.

Dont worry we got this caldari. Tama now warzone next

Please please please attack Nis.

ah thank go pasta came to save caldari , i hope you won't cyno for CFC ...because you know ... the old calmil ...

Is this english ?

Bad messenger :reason why no one defend ladistier could be that all was attacking it with alts.


Humm guys get your story in phase .. one says lad was defended and the defenders slaughtered galmil , and the other one say no one defended Lad ... so who to believe , and i want to believe in someone :(

Anyway , still want to have the number of active pilots in galmil and calmil or now that some 0.0 alliance come aboard on your side it's not relevant now? ( but it was 1 week ago)

still want to fix the mechanics ? ^^

It was defended literally by two people.

Dont worry we got this caldari. Tama now warzone next

Same number that took it back from Irya's Tipiaks last time as I recall.

Sup Irya? Vive La Distier!

One thing I will note: people get burned out from constant combat. I've noticed it in Real Life, in null, and in Black Rise. Rousing victories do tend to mitigate that, but crushing defeats will exacerbate it. That's just human psychology.

As for the end of the recent campaign, at the risk of invoking Godwin's Law, it sounds like it somewhat resembled the end of the Battle of France in World War II - specifically, Dunkirk. Was Operation Dynamo unfair to the Wehrmacht?

Defenses Against Cascade:

The best defense against a cascade that I have discovered is having a monolithic alliance structure, where the 'alliance' amounts to one corporation. It is much harder to put a corporation into a cascade than it is an alliance, because CCP has structured corporations as dictatorships with one absolute authority. Alliances have competing CEOs and a variety of different interests; the monolithic corporation may still have some amount of infighting and scheming, but much less than the more common oligarchy. The only example of a monolithic alliance that I know of is Goonswarm, which is the Goonfleet corporation, plus several much smaller member corporations. Rather than having an oligarchy and shared power between a number of member corporation CEOs, the monolithic alliance has only one leader, and the consent or membership the ancillary corporations (while helpful) is not strategically necessary.

It is also helpful to have an ethnic, national or cultural identity outside of EVE to bind the pilots to identifying with the alliance. There are a number of ethnic organizations in EVE, and these tend to be more resistant to cascade than non-ethnic organizations. The smaller the ethnic group or more isolated the language, the better a defense against cascade there is. Right now, Russian and German players have a number of alliances which they could join, so the need to stick to a particular alliance is minimal. There is only one Polish alliance, by contrast, and perhaps two Hungarian alliances. Those pilots are very invested in their alliance's health.

In practice, this means that a monolithic or ethnic/national/cultural alliance can be repeatedly brought to a state of helplessness, but it is very hard to shift pilot identification and induce collapse.

ah thank go pasta came to save caldari , i hope you won't cyno for CFC ...because you know ... the old calmil ...

We won't drop via a pasta cyno unless they provide at least a super we can kill, preferably theirs.

There is nothing in FW that is worth fighting for ..

Classic null move, come to FW to try and recruit pvp pilots

Now then, hurry up and take some more systems please!

There is nothing in this game worth fighting for - unless you decide it's worth it.

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