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Pattern Clarc Dark Destiny Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:44:00 - [31] but people, the drones!!! unlike all the other BS's, even tough it'll out damage them all, your drones will be the only option you'll have to change damage types.... If you've only got enough for 3 heavies, that would be extremely sad...
Nebuli Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:44:00 - [32] Originally by: Moornblade No, there's a better way to fix the Megathron, now that the Gallente Tier 3 is going to be a blasterboat (not that I'm happy about it). Remove 2 Megathron Turrents. Add 2 launcher bays. Voila. Megathron is now a hybrid missile/rail/drone boat. Hyperion is a blasterboat. Dominix is a drone boat. Either that, or give the Mega a range bonus :/ Originally by: Nebuli Fits my skills perfectly as well, as does the Caldari tier 3. I'm still fairly dissapointed though, not for obvious reasons though. As most gal pilots have good hybrid skills the Caldari tier 3 is going to be the obvious choice for sniping, ok need to train caldari BS if you dont have it already, but no real biggy, this leaves domi and the new tier 3 for close range. Whats gonna happen to the sexeh Mega, best looking ship in the games not gonna be used at all the way I see it, its lost its place. What would be better imo would be to make mega a proper blaster platfrom, on par with this new one, then make the tier 3 a sniper/damping ship, at least then all the ships will have a purpose. I'm not opposed with the ship in itself, just the knock on effect its going to have OMG my beautiful Mega /emote crys CEO - Art of War
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:47:00 - [33] Originally by: Moornblade No, there's a better way to fix the Megathron, now that the Gallente Tier 3 is going to be a blasterboat (not that I'm happy about it). Remove 2 Megathron Turrents. Add 2 launcher bays. Voila. Megathron is now a hybrid missile/rail/drone boat. Hyperion is a blasterboat. Dominix is a drone boat. Either that, or give the Mega a range bonus :/ So... you want the Megathron to have 5 turret slots, 4 launcher slots on 5% hybrid damage and 5% tracking? Might as well give it 8/4/8, 4 turret, 4 launcher, 5% hybrid damage, 5% hybrid optimal and up the drone bay to 175m3. You could consider renaming the ship too... --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:48:00 - [34] Originally by: Pattern Clarc but people, the drones!!! unlike all the other BS's, even tough it'll out damage them all, your drones will be the only option you'll have to change damage types.... If you've only got enough for 3 heavies, that would be extremely sad... 5 medium ECM drones? --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Cohkka	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:50:00 - [35] Originally by: Hllaxiu So... you want the Megathron to have 5 turret slots, 4 launcher slots on 5% hybrid damage and 5% tracking? Might as well give it 8/4/8, 4 turret, 4 launcher, 5% hybrid damage, 5% hybrid optimal and up the drone bay to 175m3. You could consider renaming the ship too... Megaphoon? Megamare? Don't speak english, just F5, F5, F5...
fmercury Contraband Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:52:00 - [36] Originally by: Moornblade No, there's a better way to fix the Megathron, now that the Gallente Tier 3 is going to be a blasterboat (not that I'm happy about it). Remove 2 Megathron Turrents. Add 2 launcher bays. If by 'Fix' you mean 'Make utterly useless' then yes, that's a pretty good fix.
Jerick Ludhowe Arcana Imperii Ltd. Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:57:00 - [37] Originally by: Hllaxiu The higher your capacitor capacity, the longer it takes for you to be nossed into oblivion, and the longer into the battle you have to start using your cap boosters. This is good. Fair enough, however the bonus is still by far the worst bonus proposed in the dev blog. I hope people don't get the wrong Idea about my ranting. I do not think the bonus should be changed to something tanking oriented, nor do I think the ship should have a tracking bonus. I think that a MWD oriented bonus is the perfect concept for a ship that is designed around getting in the targets face however the 5% bonus to cap when fitting a MWD is just an awfull bonus. It has been an awfull on the Thorax, and it has been an awfull bonus on the Deimos. Now the reason that this bonus is bad is because it is only usefull for the first few seconds of the fight untill you have burned the little bit of extra bit of cap it grants you. After that point it is almost as if you are flying a ship that only has a 5% bonus to hybrid damage per level. I'm sure someone will tell me that the increased max cap has an effect on your cap charge rate however cap charge rate means very little when your ship is cap injected or eating cap as the rate the Thorax and Deimos do. I'm going to propose some replacment MWD bonuses as me sitting here ranting for the sake of ranting has little to no point. 1. 10% bonus to cap when fitting a MWD. Same fundemental flaw as the first however it does not suck quite as bad. 2. 15% reduction in sig radius per level when activating a MWD. 3. 5% bonus to MWD thrust per level 4. 10% less cap used when running a MWD 5. 7.5% reduction in ship mass per leve when running a MWD /rant
Nebuli Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:58:00 - [38] Anyone else concerned about the fact this ship is faster than the mega, yet doesnt have ANY tracking bonus? CEO - Art of War
Jerick Ludhowe Arcana Imperii Ltd. Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:02:00 - [39] Originally by: Nebuli Anyone else concerned about the fact this ship is faster than the mega, yet doesnt have ANY tracking bonus? Not really as you just stop your ship and web the target once you are in range. Hitting Cruisers will probably become a rather large problem however the Megathron has to be better at something.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:02:00 - [40] Originally by: Nebuli Anyone else concerned about the fact this ship is faster than the mega, yet doesnt have ANY tracking bonus? Not sure if more speed, more damage AND more tracking is balanced. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Pattern Clarc Dark Destiny Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:06:00 - [41] not when you can fit electrons, +amazing tank +MWD with grid to spare.... but what about the drones!!!!
Jerick Ludhowe Arcana Imperii Ltd. Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:09:00 - [42] Originally by: Pattern Clarc not when you can fit electrons, +amazing tank +MWD with grid to spare.... but what about the drones!!!! Thron can already do that :P I think this ship is going to be able to mount Ions with a strong tank.
Azerrad	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:09:00 - [43] Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe Now the reason that this bonus is bad is because it is only usefull for the first few seconds of the fight untill you have burned the little bit of extra bit of cap it grants you. After that point it is almost as if you are flying a ship that only has a 5% bonus to hybrid damage per level. I'm sure someone will tell me that the increased max cap has an effect on your cap charge rate however cap charge rate means very little when your ship is cap injected or eating cap as the rate the Thorax and Deimos do. I'm going to propose some replacment MWD bonuses as me sitting here ranting for the sake of ranting has little to no point. 1. 10% bonus to cap when fitting a MWD. Same fundemental flaw as the first however it does not suck quite as bad. 2. 15% reduction in sig radius per level when activating a MWD. 3. 5% bonus to MWD thrust per level 4. 10% less cap used when running a MWD 5. 7.5% reduction in ship mass per leve when running a MWD /rant Higher base cap would lead to a higher recharge rate, but I still don't think its enough to remove the need for a cap injector, and once you are running cap injectors your cap recharge rate isn't really an issue anymore. Personally I like #3 and #4 of your list. #5 probably wouldn't be the easiest to implment and an agility bonus would probably be better, #1 has the same flaw as the 5% bonus and #2 is fairly irrelevant when your talking about bs.
Nebuli Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:10:00 - [44] Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe Originally by: Nebuli Anyone else concerned about the fact this ship is faster than the mega, yet doesnt have ANY tracking bonus? Not really as you just stop your ship and web the target once you are in range. Hitting Cruisers will probably become a rather large problem however the Megathron has to be better at something. Yep, by which time that tech II torp spewing ravens already got you to half armour lol. CEO - Art of War
Ismern GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:12:00 - [45] Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe Originally by: Pattern Clarc not when you can fit electrons, +amazing tank +MWD with grid to spare.... but what about the drones!!!! Thron can already do that :P I think this ship is going to be able to mount Ions with a strong tank. Thron can already do that :P ----------------------------------------------------------- "It's not that I'm lazy . . . It's that I just don't care."
Nebuli Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:15:00 - [46] After consideration I am now happy that my mega will still be used the same as it is now and the new tier 3 will be pretty useless tbh. Its a bit faster and got better cap, yay, oh wait.... CEO - Art of War
Jerick Ludhowe Arcana Imperii Ltd. Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:16:00 - [47] Originally by: Ismern Thron can already do that :P To an extent however It is not the plated dbl rep goodness that is an Electron Bthron. Fitting Ions + a dbl rep setup stil requires a cpu mod or some nice low CPU faction ANMs. Anyhoo, I'm going to stop before I derail this into a "How to fit Bthron best" thread, my apologies.
Emeline Cabernet Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:31:00 - [48] whats the point of the mega now? outranged and outblasted..
Nebuli Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:34:00 - [49] Originally by: Emeline Cabernet whats the point of the mega now? outranged and outblasted.. This new BS doesnt have a tracking bonus like the mega does, that in itself is going to make it less damaging, so I wouldnt worry I think theirs life left in the old dog yet CEO - Art of War
Bazman Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:35:00 - [50] I love it, pure blaster battleship. The Mega, while awesome, is not purely dedicated to the way of teh Blaster, the Hyperion will be. I love it. I'll probably be saying a different thing when I fly it, but until then, I'm optimistic :P ----- Hi TUXFORD! Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks. I am a
Jerick Ludhowe Arcana Imperii Ltd. Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:36:00 - [51] Originally by: Emeline Cabernet whats the point of the mega now? outranged and outblasted.. It is a more well rounded ship as it has more drones and better tracking making it extremely lethal to cruisers while still being able to break most BS tanks. However if the Hyperion gets 5 Mids allowing it to fit a tracking comp and the standard 4 mids then I agree with you completely.
Zenst Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:36:00 - [52] Originally by: Pattern Clarc What do ya think? Your dream ship or pre dps nerfed with srunken drone bay?? Personnally though... lighter and faster than the mega means i'll finally have a reason to fly battleships!!!! Well in summary no: MWD bonus useful for long range mwding when warping out and back always quicker than a station signature radius BLASTERS - Oh they were fixed with tracking boost, oh wait we'll have no 7.5% boost going on here. Nice agil ship and goona track like a duck shoot using cannon balls. DRONE BAY - Have to maintain the gal strengths :\| OVERALL All other T3 ships get tank bonus, mega fine as is with skills and it is a hard ship to skill for. Change the bonus to 7.5% armour repair and then it will be inline with the other ships and leave cap worries alone so can fit tracking and dmg modules. The issue with blasters is how people play not the ship as most if not all fights involve some range and to that end when you want a fork you use a fork, and if you want a spoon you use a spoon. But to want both and use a sporj your only going to make a mess and leave an easy job to clearup. Sig radius+distance alone==dead and if yoru tanking you aint ganking so they will tank you. This is not even touching that a t3 apoc with blasters fitted could probably do as well if not better overall 8/. Still its free and better than nowt and if you realy want a blaster boat a Brutix. I personaly love the Astarte :).
Pattern Clarc Dark Destiny Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:37:00 - [53] Originally by: Nebuli Originally by: Emeline Cabernet whats the point of the mega now? outranged and outblasted.. This new BS doesnt have a tracking bonus like the mega does, that in itself is going to make it less damaging, so I wouldnt worry I think theirs life left in the old dog yet themegas always had a problem tbh, the hyberion is pritty much what the mega needed to be.... The gallente did really need that fleet BS all the other races seem to have 2 of but the mega can still do that so what ever...
R31D	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:39:00 - [54] I'm in two minds about this ship. Seems like it could work but I'm just wondering how badly the lack of tracking bonus hurts against ships such as HACs or Command Ships Free bumpage for all
Nebuli Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:42:00 - [55] Originally by: Pattern Clarc Originally by: Nebuli Originally by: Emeline Cabernet whats the point of the mega now? outranged and outblasted.. This new BS doesnt have a tracking bonus like the mega does, that in itself is going to make it less damaging, so I wouldnt worry I think theirs life left in the old dog yet themegas always had a problem tbh, the hyberion is pritty much what the mega needed to be.... The gallente did really need that fleet BS all the other races seem to have 2 of but the mega can still do that so what ever... Before the tracking boost blasters used to miss alot untill you had almost stopped, one too many bursts of mwd can make a huge difference. Since the buff to tracking on the mega blasters hit realy nicely. Now take a mega, make it faster and remove its tracking bonus, its not gonna hit anything smaller than a dread unless totaly stationary. Its realy not gonna be very good, I mean I'm hopefull, but it realy doesnt bode well. CEO - Art of War
Zyrtan Keb'Lektar Exotic Dancers Club	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:43:00 - [56] still gonna be using my mega for sniping(no way ill train caldari bs) but its about time we got a close range ship with a mwd bonus http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=369633Interested in learning about the art of exotic dancing
Pattern Clarc Dark Destiny Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:43:00 - [57] holy typos batman
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:43:00 - [58] Originally by: R31D I'm in two minds about this ship. Seems like it could work but I'm just wondering how badly the lack of tracking bonus hurts against ships such as HACs or Command Ships Webbing drones +- dual web. Tbh it really needs the slot layout of the Vindi. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:48:00 - [59] im sorry im abit ****ed off at the other races bonuses and the blaster boat doesnt even get a proper dronebay... High-Sec Piracy Recruitment
Terrak2 The Black Fleet	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:53:00 - [60] No. Just... No. I looked at the Abaddon, and my eyes lit up. "An awesome Amarrian ship, ooh! Amarrians gonna be happy!" I looked at the Rokh and I said "Caldari get to be in fleet battles, and the railthron just got owned. Woohoo" I looked at the Maelstrom and I simply stated "There goes PvP for the rest of us" Finally, I looked at the Hyperion and then I insulted the mothers' of several CCP employees and cried because Gallente have died a little more this day. I'm very glad they decreased mass and increased agility, and I think it will be awesome (IF IT'S EVEN NOTICEABLE). The MWD bonus is the worst bonus ever. Doesn't work on the Thorax or the deimos, doesn't work on any ship that has it. Less drones means less dps, plus no tracking bonus (which is needed for large blasters, as the devs tried to fix with the Mega's boost) means even less. In the end the ship can't tank, and hell it will barely even beat the tank of these new tier 3s probably. I would hate to go up againt a Maelstrom in one.

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