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Pattern Clarc Dark Destiny Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.25 18:55:00 - [1] What do ya think? Your dream ship or pre dps nerfed with srunken drone bay?? Personnally though... lighter and faster than the mega means i'll finally have a reason to fly battleships!!!!
Krulla Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.25 18:56:00 - [2] Personally I had a giant joygasm when I read the bonuses.
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.25 18:58:00 - [3] It should get a big pg and cpu boost over the mega so maybe a full neutron setup would be viable to make up for the lack of drones? TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Mangus Thermopyle Chosen Path Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.07.25 18:59:00 - [4] Well, it can be nice for some very specific PvP situations, but compared to the other tier3 BSes this one is a big disappointment. Who will fly these in big fleet engagements? Who will fly them for PvE like level 4 missions? This one will quickly be the cheapest tier3 BS, thats for sure.
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:00:00 - [5] Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle Well, it can be nice for some very specific PvP situations, but compared to the other tier3 BSes this one is a big disappointment. Who will fly these in big fleet engagements? Who will fly them for PvE like level 4 missions? This one will quickly be the cheapest tier3 BS, thats for sure. Who cares, gallente finally have a viable battleship pvp blastership. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Kaylana Syi Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:01:00 - [6] Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle Well, it can be nice for some very specific PvP situations, but compared to the other tier3 BSes this one is a big disappointment. Who will fly these in big fleet engagements? Who will fly them for PvE like level 4 missions? This one will quickly be the cheapest tier3 BS, thats for sure. I think this BS is going to be really, really good in the hands of great blasterthron pilots. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Deadeye Dave Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:01:00 - [7] Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle Well, it can be nice for some very specific PvP situations, but compared to the other tier3 BSes this one is a big disappointment. Who will fly these in big fleet engagements? Who will fly them for PvE like level 4 missions? This one will quickly be the cheapest tier3 BS, thats for sure. It'll be a nice small gang/solo Battelship which will be cool.
OzaLoni Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:01:00 - [8] Well I'm of mixed opinion... The bonuses (boni) are nice but looking at the other ships it seems to get the raw end of the deal. I would like to see the base resists on the ship. Is the thinking that having the extra cap will allow you to run 2 lar and neutrons ( I presume the expected blaster of choice ).. meh more details pls... Nice ego, we'll take it!
DirtyHarry Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:02:00 - [9] This makes me very happy, all my skills match this ship perfectly ^_^ --------------- Havocide - DirtyHarry
FawKa Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:03:00 - [10] I wonder how good it will be without a tracking bonus and without a tanking bonus compared to the other new ships. It has to have a gigantic cap! MWD is fine tho', but as the other ships tanks better now, the gall BS got some issues (yes, depends on the cap and armor - guess we ahve to wait). I'm stil more for dmg and 10% reduction in capbooster cycle and a cargobay on 1500, WMD'ing wouldnt be a problem and we got 'sort of' a tanking bonus as you can run the dual repping quite long Sig removed. Please keep sigs to 400x120 pixels and 24000 bytes or less. -Kaemonn
Mangus Thermopyle Chosen Path Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:04:00 - [11] Yea, as I said, for very specific PvP situations it will be nice. But most often, gank gangs is frigs and hacs only due to align/warp speed, and this ship wont change that. The other races tier3 BS are either VERY nice for fleet engagements and/or VERY nice for PvE. Compared to that, the very limited number of PvP situations that the hyperion will be good in is nothing. A very big disappointment.
Pattern Clarc Dark Destiny Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:05:00 - [12] Deepending on it's tank, the lack of drone bay makes me a tiny bit worried, but if a gallente pilot needs a fleet rail boat, theres always the Rokh.... unless your into roleplay that is. Hell, it's made my life a whole lot clearer.
Zyrtan Keb'Lektar Exotic Dancers Club	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:05:00 - [13] kinda worried about the tracking problem. But all in all this is what i was hoping for
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:07:00 - [14] Oversized Thorax. /me wonders Raven, siege, fury, painters. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Cohkka	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:11:00 - [15] I'll decide when I know how much grid and CPU it'll get. If it can fit 8 neutrons and a light tank, I'd be a happy bunny. Don't speak english, just F5, F5, F5...
Jerick Ludhowe Arcana Imperii Ltd. Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:17:00 - [16] I liked everything said about this ship aside from the god awfull MWD bonus. If the ship has 4 midslots then the bonus is rather pointless as your cap will be limited more by the number of cap booster 800 charges you have rather than your max cap. If the ship does not have a 4th midslot then it is beyond useless. Then again the devs are not stupid so I'm very confident that the ship will infact be granted a 4th midslot. I think it is time that Tux take a look at the bonus as a whole and change it to 7.5% or 10% per level across the board. This would include a change to both the Deimos and Thorax as well. Personally I think the bonus as a whole should be scrapped and replaced with something that decreases cap use or increase thrust amount per level.
Pattern Clarc Dark Destiny Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:19:00 - [17] but what about the drones!! the drones people?? I'm pritty sure it'll get 5mid slots, and 7 lows, especially if the Abba gets 8 highs and 8 lows!!
Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:20:00 - [18] Originally by: Sarmaul Who cares, gallente finally have a viable battleship pvp blastership. What the heck are you talking about? The megathron has always been viable as a blastership.
Ismern GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:21:00 - [19] The only thing that is 'wrong' with the Blasterthron is its inability to field both T2 neutrons and a full tank. If the Hyperion can do that then I'd say it's better. If not then I'd say it's worse. ----------------------------------------------------------- "It's not that I'm lazy . . . It's that I just don't care."
Golden Helmet Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:26:00 - [20] i can't wait for this BS, especialy as i'm very close to startng my large hybrid 5 training Don't worry, your sig is safe...wait...oops. --Jorauk
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:27:00 - [21] I think this beast looks scary tbh. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Moornblade Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:31:00 - [22] Sucks. Rokh is a better blaster boat (unless the Rokh is really, really slow). 25% bonus to resistances=much easier to tank it. Shield tanking=much more efficent with implants/faction mods. 50% bonus to ranges=18-20km optimal range using Null. Rokh; the blaster boat that tanks, and lets you reach out and crush someone. A Rokh with an officer webber will keep a Hyperion/other short range boat at 14km, while uber-tanking with ~70% average resistances.
Azerrad	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:33:00 - [23] It will most likely be cap injected anyways so the MWD cap bonus is pointless. Would rather have the same bonuses as the Mega tbh.
Jerick Ludhowe Arcana Imperii Ltd. Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:33:00 - [24] Glad to see I'm not the only one disapointed with thes proposed bonusses.
Pattern Clarc Dark Destiny Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:34:00 - [25] Originally by: Moornblade Sucks. Rokh is a better blaster boat (unless the Rokh is really, really slow). 25% bonus to resistances=much easier to tank it. Shield tanking=much more efficent with implants/faction mods. 50% bonus to ranges=18-20km optimal range using Null. Rokh; the blaster boat that tanks, and lets you reach out and crush someone. A Rokh with an officer webber will keep a Hyperion/other short range boat at 14km, while uber-tanking with ~70% average resistances. thats bull****, especially if both pilots are using the same web... tbh, i'll happily train for both a deadicated sniper and bs version of the thorax
Nebuli Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:35:00 - [26] Fits my skills perfectly as well, as does the Caldari tier 3. I'm still fairly dissapointed though, not for obvious reasons though. As most gal pilots have good hybrid skills the Caldari tier 3 is going to be the obvious choice for sniping, ok need to train caldari BS if you dont have it already, but no real biggy, this leaves domi and the new tier 3 for close range. Whats gonna happen to the sexeh Mega, best looking ship in the games not gonna be used at all the way I see it, its lost its place. What would be better imo would be to make mega a proper blaster platfrom, on par with this new one, then make the tier 3 a sniper/damping ship, at least then all the ships will have a purpose. I'm not opposed with the ship in itself, just the knock on effect its going to have CEO - Art of War
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:35:00 - [27] Originally by: Azerrad It will most likely be cap injected anyways so the MWD cap bonus is pointless. Would rather have the same bonuses as the Mega tbh. The higher your capacitor capacity, the longer it takes for you to be nossed into oblivion, and the longer into the battle you have to start using your cap boosters. This is good. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Pattern Clarc Dark Destiny Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:35:00 - [28] Originally by: Sarmaul It should get a big pg and cpu boost over the mega so maybe a full neutron setup would be viable to make up for the lack of drones? do nuetrons really do that much more damage?
Moornblade Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:39:00 - [29] No, there's a better way to fix the Megathron, now that the Gallente Tier 3 is going to be a blasterboat (not that I'm happy about it). Remove 2 Megathron Turrents. Add 2 launcher bays. Voila. Megathron is now a hybrid missile/rail/drone boat. Hyperion is a blasterboat. Dominix is a drone boat. Either that, or give the Mega a range bonus :/ Originally by: Nebuli Fits my skills perfectly as well, as does the Caldari tier 3. I'm still fairly dissapointed though, not for obvious reasons though. As most gal pilots have good hybrid skills the Caldari tier 3 is going to be the obvious choice for sniping, ok need to train caldari BS if you dont have it already, but no real biggy, this leaves domi and the new tier 3 for close range. Whats gonna happen to the sexeh Mega, best looking ship in the games not gonna be used at all the way I see it, its lost its place. What would be better imo would be to make mega a proper blaster platfrom, on par with this new one, then make the tier 3 a sniper/damping ship, at least then all the ships will have a purpose. I'm not opposed with the ship in itself, just the knock on effect its going to have
Azerrad	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:40:00 - [30] Edited by: Azerrad on 25/07/2006 19:41:04 Originally by: Hllaxiu Originally by: Azerrad It will most likely be cap injected anyways so the MWD cap bonus is pointless. Would rather have the same bonuses as the Mega tbh. The higher your capacitor capacity, the longer it takes for you to be nossed into oblivion, and the longer into the battle you have to start using your cap boosters. This is good. Unless the cap is big enough to remove the need for an injector (i.e. sustain MWD long enough to get into range and guns thereafter with a few rep cycles, hardners, web, scram thrown in), it really doesn't help much in the long run. I would rather hit my target more often than start cap injecting a few seconds later into a fight.
Pattern Clarc Dark Destiny Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:44:00 - [31] but people, the drones!!! unlike all the other BS's, even tough it'll out damage them all, your drones will be the only option you'll have to change damage types.... If you've only got enough for 3 heavies, that would be extremely sad...
Nebuli Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:44:00 - [32] Originally by: Moornblade No, there's a better way to fix the Megathron, now that the Gallente Tier 3 is going to be a blasterboat (not that I'm happy about it). Remove 2 Megathron Turrents. Add 2 launcher bays. Voila. Megathron is now a hybrid missile/rail/drone boat. Hyperion is a blasterboat. Dominix is a drone boat. Either that, or give the Mega a range bonus :/ Originally by: Nebuli Fits my skills perfectly as well, as does the Caldari tier 3. I'm still fairly dissapointed though, not for obvious reasons though. As most gal pilots have good hybrid skills the Caldari tier 3 is going to be the obvious choice for sniping, ok need to train caldari BS if you dont have it already, but no real biggy, this leaves domi and the new tier 3 for close range. Whats gonna happen to the sexeh Mega, best looking ship in the games not gonna be used at all the way I see it, its lost its place. What would be better imo would be to make mega a proper blaster platfrom, on par with this new one, then make the tier 3 a sniper/damping ship, at least then all the ships will have a purpose. I'm not opposed with the ship in itself, just the knock on effect its going to have OMG my beautiful Mega /emote crys CEO - Art of War
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:47:00 - [33] Originally by: Moornblade No, there's a better way to fix the Megathron, now that the Gallente Tier 3 is going to be a blasterboat (not that I'm happy about it). Remove 2 Megathron Turrents. Add 2 launcher bays. Voila. Megathron is now a hybrid missile/rail/drone boat. Hyperion is a blasterboat. Dominix is a drone boat. Either that, or give the Mega a range bonus :/ So... you want the Megathron to have 5 turret slots, 4 launcher slots on 5% hybrid damage and 5% tracking? Might as well give it 8/4/8, 4 turret, 4 launcher, 5% hybrid damage, 5% hybrid optimal and up the drone bay to 175m3. You could consider renaming the ship too... --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:48:00 - [34] Originally by: Pattern Clarc but people, the drones!!! unlike all the other BS's, even tough it'll out damage them all, your drones will be the only option you'll have to change damage types.... If you've only got enough for 3 heavies, that would be extremely sad... 5 medium ECM drones? --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Cohkka	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:50:00 - [35] Originally by: Hllaxiu So... you want the Megathron to have 5 turret slots, 4 launcher slots on 5% hybrid damage and 5% tracking? Might as well give it 8/4/8, 4 turret, 4 launcher, 5% hybrid damage, 5% hybrid optimal and up the drone bay to 175m3. You could consider renaming the ship too... Megaphoon? Megamare? Don't speak english, just F5, F5, F5...
fmercury Contraband Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:52:00 - [36] Originally by: Moornblade No, there's a better way to fix the Megathron, now that the Gallente Tier 3 is going to be a blasterboat (not that I'm happy about it). Remove 2 Megathron Turrents. Add 2 launcher bays. If by 'Fix' you mean 'Make utterly useless' then yes, that's a pretty good fix.
Jerick Ludhowe Arcana Imperii Ltd. Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:57:00 - [37] Originally by: Hllaxiu The higher your capacitor capacity, the longer it takes for you to be nossed into oblivion, and the longer into the battle you have to start using your cap boosters. This is good. Fair enough, however the bonus is still by far the worst bonus proposed in the dev blog. I hope people don't get the wrong Idea about my ranting. I do not think the bonus should be changed to something tanking oriented, nor do I think the ship should have a tracking bonus. I think that a MWD oriented bonus is the perfect concept for a ship that is designed around getting in the targets face however the 5% bonus to cap when fitting a MWD is just an awfull bonus. It has been an awfull on the Thorax, and it has been an awfull bonus on the Deimos. Now the reason that this bonus is bad is because it is only usefull for the first few seconds of the fight untill you have burned the little bit of extra bit of cap it grants you. After that point it is almost as if you are flying a ship that only has a 5% bonus to hybrid damage per level. I'm sure someone will tell me that the increased max cap has an effect on your cap charge rate however cap charge rate means very little when your ship is cap injected or eating cap as the rate the Thorax and Deimos do. I'm going to propose some replacment MWD bonuses as me sitting here ranting for the sake of ranting has little to no point. 1. 10% bonus to cap when fitting a MWD. Same fundemental flaw as the first however it does not suck quite as bad. 2. 15% reduction in sig radius per level when activating a MWD. 3. 5% bonus to MWD thrust per level 4. 10% less cap used when running a MWD 5. 7.5% reduction in ship mass per leve when running a MWD /rant
Nebuli Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:58:00 - [38] Anyone else concerned about the fact this ship is faster than the mega, yet doesnt have ANY tracking bonus? CEO - Art of War
Jerick Ludhowe Arcana Imperii Ltd. Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:02:00 - [39] Originally by: Nebuli Anyone else concerned about the fact this ship is faster than the mega, yet doesnt have ANY tracking bonus? Not really as you just stop your ship and web the target once you are in range. Hitting Cruisers will probably become a rather large problem however the Megathron has to be better at something.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:02:00 - [40] Originally by: Nebuli Anyone else concerned about the fact this ship is faster than the mega, yet doesnt have ANY tracking bonus? Not sure if more speed, more damage AND more tracking is balanced. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Pattern Clarc Dark Destiny Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:06:00 - [41] not when you can fit electrons, +amazing tank +MWD with grid to spare.... but what about the drones!!!!
Jerick Ludhowe Arcana Imperii Ltd. Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:09:00 - [42] Originally by: Pattern Clarc not when you can fit electrons, +amazing tank +MWD with grid to spare.... but what about the drones!!!! Thron can already do that :P I think this ship is going to be able to mount Ions with a strong tank.
Azerrad	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:09:00 - [43] Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe Now the reason that this bonus is bad is because it is only usefull for the first few seconds of the fight untill you have burned the little bit of extra bit of cap it grants you. After that point it is almost as if you are flying a ship that only has a 5% bonus to hybrid damage per level. I'm sure someone will tell me that the increased max cap has an effect on your cap charge rate however cap charge rate means very little when your ship is cap injected or eating cap as the rate the Thorax and Deimos do. I'm going to propose some replacment MWD bonuses as me sitting here ranting for the sake of ranting has little to no point. 1. 10% bonus to cap when fitting a MWD. Same fundemental flaw as the first however it does not suck quite as bad. 2. 15% reduction in sig radius per level when activating a MWD. 3. 5% bonus to MWD thrust per level 4. 10% less cap used when running a MWD 5. 7.5% reduction in ship mass per leve when running a MWD /rant Higher base cap would lead to a higher recharge rate, but I still don't think its enough to remove the need for a cap injector, and once you are running cap injectors your cap recharge rate isn't really an issue anymore. Personally I like #3 and #4 of your list. #5 probably wouldn't be the easiest to implment and an agility bonus would probably be better, #1 has the same flaw as the 5% bonus and #2 is fairly irrelevant when your talking about bs.
Nebuli Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:10:00 - [44] Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe Originally by: Nebuli Anyone else concerned about the fact this ship is faster than the mega, yet doesnt have ANY tracking bonus? Not really as you just stop your ship and web the target once you are in range. Hitting Cruisers will probably become a rather large problem however the Megathron has to be better at something. Yep, by which time that tech II torp spewing ravens already got you to half armour lol. CEO - Art of War
Ismern GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:12:00 - [45] Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe Originally by: Pattern Clarc not when you can fit electrons, +amazing tank +MWD with grid to spare.... but what about the drones!!!! Thron can already do that :P I think this ship is going to be able to mount Ions with a strong tank. Thron can already do that :P ----------------------------------------------------------- "It's not that I'm lazy . . . It's that I just don't care."
Nebuli Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:15:00 - [46] After consideration I am now happy that my mega will still be used the same as it is now and the new tier 3 will be pretty useless tbh. Its a bit faster and got better cap, yay, oh wait.... CEO - Art of War
Jerick Ludhowe Arcana Imperii Ltd. Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:16:00 - [47] Originally by: Ismern Thron can already do that :P To an extent however It is not the plated dbl rep goodness that is an Electron Bthron. Fitting Ions + a dbl rep setup stil requires a cpu mod or some nice low CPU faction ANMs. Anyhoo, I'm going to stop before I derail this into a "How to fit Bthron best" thread, my apologies.
Emeline Cabernet Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:31:00 - [48] whats the point of the mega now? outranged and outblasted..
Nebuli Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:34:00 - [49] Originally by: Emeline Cabernet whats the point of the mega now? outranged and outblasted.. This new BS doesnt have a tracking bonus like the mega does, that in itself is going to make it less damaging, so I wouldnt worry I think theirs life left in the old dog yet CEO - Art of War
Bazman Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:35:00 - [50] I love it, pure blaster battleship. The Mega, while awesome, is not purely dedicated to the way of teh Blaster, the Hyperion will be. I love it. I'll probably be saying a different thing when I fly it, but until then, I'm optimistic :P ----- Hi TUXFORD! Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks. I am a
Jerick Ludhowe Arcana Imperii Ltd. Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:36:00 - [51] Originally by: Emeline Cabernet whats the point of the mega now? outranged and outblasted.. It is a more well rounded ship as it has more drones and better tracking making it extremely lethal to cruisers while still being able to break most BS tanks. However if the Hyperion gets 5 Mids allowing it to fit a tracking comp and the standard 4 mids then I agree with you completely.
Zenst Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:36:00 - [52] Originally by: Pattern Clarc What do ya think? Your dream ship or pre dps nerfed with srunken drone bay?? Personnally though... lighter and faster than the mega means i'll finally have a reason to fly battleships!!!! Well in summary no: MWD bonus useful for long range mwding when warping out and back always quicker than a station signature radius BLASTERS - Oh they were fixed with tracking boost, oh wait we'll have no 7.5% boost going on here. Nice agil ship and goona track like a duck shoot using cannon balls. DRONE BAY - Have to maintain the gal strengths :\| OVERALL All other T3 ships get tank bonus, mega fine as is with skills and it is a hard ship to skill for. Change the bonus to 7.5% armour repair and then it will be inline with the other ships and leave cap worries alone so can fit tracking and dmg modules. The issue with blasters is how people play not the ship as most if not all fights involve some range and to that end when you want a fork you use a fork, and if you want a spoon you use a spoon. But to want both and use a sporj your only going to make a mess and leave an easy job to clearup. Sig radius+distance alone==dead and if yoru tanking you aint ganking so they will tank you. This is not even touching that a t3 apoc with blasters fitted could probably do as well if not better overall 8/. Still its free and better than nowt and if you realy want a blaster boat a Brutix. I personaly love the Astarte :).
Pattern Clarc Dark Destiny Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:37:00 - [53] Originally by: Nebuli Originally by: Emeline Cabernet whats the point of the mega now? outranged and outblasted.. This new BS doesnt have a tracking bonus like the mega does, that in itself is going to make it less damaging, so I wouldnt worry I think theirs life left in the old dog yet themegas always had a problem tbh, the hyberion is pritty much what the mega needed to be.... The gallente did really need that fleet BS all the other races seem to have 2 of but the mega can still do that so what ever...
R31D	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:39:00 - [54] I'm in two minds about this ship. Seems like it could work but I'm just wondering how badly the lack of tracking bonus hurts against ships such as HACs or Command Ships Free bumpage for all
Nebuli Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:42:00 - [55] Originally by: Pattern Clarc Originally by: Nebuli Originally by: Emeline Cabernet whats the point of the mega now? outranged and outblasted.. This new BS doesnt have a tracking bonus like the mega does, that in itself is going to make it less damaging, so I wouldnt worry I think theirs life left in the old dog yet themegas always had a problem tbh, the hyberion is pritty much what the mega needed to be.... The gallente did really need that fleet BS all the other races seem to have 2 of but the mega can still do that so what ever... Before the tracking boost blasters used to miss alot untill you had almost stopped, one too many bursts of mwd can make a huge difference. Since the buff to tracking on the mega blasters hit realy nicely. Now take a mega, make it faster and remove its tracking bonus, its not gonna hit anything smaller than a dread unless totaly stationary. Its realy not gonna be very good, I mean I'm hopefull, but it realy doesnt bode well. CEO - Art of War
Zyrtan Keb'Lektar Exotic Dancers Club	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:43:00 - [56] still gonna be using my mega for sniping(no way ill train caldari bs) but its about time we got a close range ship with a mwd bonus http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=369633Interested in learning about the art of exotic dancing
Pattern Clarc Dark Destiny Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:43:00 - [57] holy typos batman
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:43:00 - [58] Originally by: R31D I'm in two minds about this ship. Seems like it could work but I'm just wondering how badly the lack of tracking bonus hurts against ships such as HACs or Command Ships Webbing drones +- dual web. Tbh it really needs the slot layout of the Vindi. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:48:00 - [59] im sorry im abit ****ed off at the other races bonuses and the blaster boat doesnt even get a proper dronebay... High-Sec Piracy Recruitment
Terrak2 The Black Fleet	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:53:00 - [60] No. Just... No. I looked at the Abaddon, and my eyes lit up. "An awesome Amarrian ship, ooh! Amarrians gonna be happy!" I looked at the Rokh and I said "Caldari get to be in fleet battles, and the railthron just got owned. Woohoo" I looked at the Maelstrom and I simply stated "There goes PvP for the rest of us" Finally, I looked at the Hyperion and then I insulted the mothers' of several CCP employees and cried because Gallente have died a little more this day. I'm very glad they decreased mass and increased agility, and I think it will be awesome (IF IT'S EVEN NOTICEABLE). The MWD bonus is the worst bonus ever. Doesn't work on the Thorax or the deimos, doesn't work on any ship that has it. Less drones means less dps, plus no tracking bonus (which is needed for large blasters, as the devs tried to fix with the Mega's boost) means even less. In the end the ship can't tank, and hell it will barely even beat the tank of these new tier 3s probably. I would hate to go up againt a Maelstrom in one.
Jarden Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:01:00 - [61] Originally by: Terrak2 No. Just... No. I looked at the Abaddon, and my eyes lit up. "An awesome Amarrian ship, ooh! Amarrians gonna be happy!" I looked at the Rokh and I said "Caldari get to be in fleet battles, and the railthron just got owned. Woohoo" I looked at the Maelstrom and I simply stated "There goes PvP for the rest of us" Finally, I looked at the Hyperion and then I insulted the mothers' of several CCP employees and cried because Gallente have died a little more this day. I'm very glad they decreased mass and increased agility, and I think it will be awesome (IF IT'S EVEN NOTICEABLE). The MWD bonus is the worst bonus ever. Doesn't work on the Thorax or the deimos, doesn't work on any ship that has it. Less drones means less dps, plus no tracking bonus (which is needed for large blasters, as the devs tried to fix with the Mega's boost) means even less. In the end the ship can't tank, and hell it will barely even beat the tank of these new tier 3s probably. I would hate to go up againt a Maelstrom in one. A tankingbonus with some sort of ew would be nice but now we have two ships that do the same and i dont think the new bs will be a better blasterboat then the megathron.
Pattern Clarc Dark Destiny Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:05:00 - [62] its funny, when you compare the threads for the sperate ships, the only ones who seem to be happy are the caldari (again?) I'm happy with the idea of this ship, the drone by needs to be a nice standard one, tracking would be nice but those MWD bonuses really help this ship do what it does better than any ship in it's class, they do work in the rax, and they'll be bonifibly awesome in a (none faction) BS
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:07:00 - [63] tbh the mwd and dmg bonus are GREAT. The drone bay and tracking im ****ed off about High-Sec Piracy Recruitment
Nebuli Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:10:00 - [64] Originally by: Kaeten tbh the mwd and dmg bonus are GREAT. The drone bay and tracking im ****ed off about Signed My initial thoughts were this will be the ub3r up close BS and megas gonna be next to useless with the other tier 3s and not be used for anything. But after consideration I can see it staying the same as it is now for Gal and this tier 3 not realy being used for anything. Having said that, I wonder how good it will be as a sniper, may be better than mega even, tracking bonus does nothing at long ranges anyway, I know they said realy low lock range, but if its got 5 mids can fit 3 sensor booster, 2 tracking cpus, might be good? CEO - Art of War
White Ronin	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:14:00 - [65] less cap recharge + specializing in high cap mods (mwd + blasters) = nos/neut victim less lock range = sensor dampner victim bad tracking = tracking disrupter victim few drones = less options to replace those missing midslots I am thinking they could have done this better. But what do I know. You can have mine if ya want. I'll wait for another drone boat.
Karl Shade FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:20:00 - [66] With 5 mids tracking should be less of a prob even in closerange tbh. Mega BSLV5: 7.5x5=37.5% tracking increase. Hyperion with five mids could go 2xwebs or fit a TC2 for a 30% boost. Not sure wich would be better tbh. 4 mids... -
Lobo Noturno	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:24:00 - [67] I totaly agree that the Hyperion might need different bonuses. The stats fit a blasterboat just fine, and the larger cap is a great counter for the MWD. The lack of a tracking bonus and smaller dronebay bugs me though... Given that the cap is larger than normal for battleships, i'd say ditch the mwd bonus and give it a tracking bonus. And then go back to the Megathron and change the tracking bonus for something more usefull for a fleet ship. It makes no sense to give every race three different types of Battleships and then give the gallentes two half-asses blasterboats... Other option would be giving it more dronebay space(if thorax has 5 meds, Hyperion should have 5 heavies), go back to the megathron and reduce drone bay(75), change its tracking bonus to something usefull in fleet fights(extra sensor range comes to mind). This should keep all three gallente ships different enough. It would slightly nerf the megathron, but if it will be the only viable gallente fleet ship, it should be good at it, rather than a blaster-boat wannabe.
Weirda Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:36:00 - [68] /me waits for DC to weigh in on this... Weirda know jack-all about Gallente ship... knowing certain pilot that like this ship already though leading to believe that you just can't make everone happy all time though, but the truely dedicated blaster pilot (known) that already weighed in look like CCP got this right for its role tbh. __ Weirda Join QOTSA Now
Keitaro Baka Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:45:00 - [69] I'm deeply disappointed ... Sure all the gun users will be happy with their new toys... As a drone user I'm getting pretty much frelled off with the stick we're getting.. - no hardwiring for us drone users... - if you really want to use a pure drone setup now you're stuck with the same couple of ships - drone control units are capital ship mods, can't be used in empire, uber expensive etc - no named mods, no t2 mods, no named drones, drone bugs, overpriced t2 drones (please seed some more bp's k thnx) I've had my domi for almost 2 years now... i like the ishkur, can't use guns so my domi > ishtar in mishes... So I guess I'm stuck eh... thnx .. To be completely on topic: I think it's a missed chance: the big hybrid users will now get caldari bs and gallie bs to have a complete range of gun usage... I suggested a mini carrier setup earlier with a +1 non-combat drone per level +5% dmg on medium & small hybrids But hey lets have the blasterwhiners have a better ship than the mega this sux royally
FawKa Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 22:00:00 - [70] Originally by: White Ronin less cap recharge + specializing in high cap mods (mwd + blasters) = nos/neut victim less lock range = sensor dampner victim bad tracking = tracking disrupter victim few drones = less options to replace those missing midslots you just got it all, there you go again Tux, change the damn bonus http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=369662&page=1#10 Link to banner
Luc Boye Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.25 22:00:00 - [71] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Nebuli Anyone else concerned about the fact this ship is faster than the mega, yet doesnt have ANY tracking bonus? Not sure if more speed, more damage AND more tracking is balanced. How is raven (no need for speed, no need for tracking, nice damage nice tank) balanced then?
Luc Boye Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.25 22:03:00 - [72] Originally by: Karl Shade With 5 mids tracking should be less of a prob even in closerange tbh. Mega BSLV5: 7.5x5=37.5% tracking increase. Hyperion with five mids could go 2xwebs or fit a TC2 for a 30% boost. Not sure wich would be better tbh. 4 mids... webs don't help you because the way tracking works. You miss ship thats standing still if you move with blasters. So webbing a ship that has 0 speed doesn't do anything.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 22:05:00 - [73] Originally by: Luc Boye How is raven (no need for speed, no need for tracking, nice damage nice tank) balanced then? I think the whining about the Raven shows its not really seen as a balanced ship. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Nsation	Posted - 2006.07.25 22:05:00 - [74] Originally by: FawKa Edited by: FawKa on 25/07/2006 21:34:18 I wonder how good it will be without a tracking bonus compared to the other new ships. We got our normal 5% dmg, but (5% dmg = 0 use) after caldari and amarr got their 25% resist (oh, and 8 lows for more tanking for the amarr one) and after the 7.5% shield boost to minmatar. To make up for this - we got a huge cap. I has to be gigantic to make up for this. We just lost a tanking bonus, we still have cap problems because of those 7-8 neutron, dual rep and MWD even if we have 3000 more cap than the mega. MWD is an okay bonus tho', but as the other ships has tanking bonuses, the Hyp. really got some issues (yes, depends on the cap and armor - guess we heav to wait). oh, and reduction in dronebay. Oh god, we are the dronemasters afterall, keep the 125m3 as we need that extra dmg as we cant hit a cruise with our guns anymore - AS YOU JUST STOLE OUR TRACKING I'm stil more for dmg and 10% reduction in capbooster cycle and a cargobay on 1200m3. WMD'ing wouldnt be a problem and we got 'sort of' a tanking bonus as we will be able to a dual rep setup quite long. - can I be the first to say that the amarr one seems overpowered btw? 25% resist bonus, 8 lows. That makes it ideal for dmg modding AND superp tanking. This will hopefully get changed when the server goes down because of forum spamming. . Just FFS TUX I would totally agree on this. The tanking of an amarr Tier3 would be hard to break even if we can keep neutrons and tank them a bit going (f.x.). If they don't give us tracking bonus i guess we have something to hit those torpedoes back with if the neutrons fit. I can't say much just stonned over they even could think about remove tracking. It's diffently not a mission-runner ship like the other races just got with the tanking bonus. It's fair enough they give us the bigger cap. i know Amarr could use it without the normal bonus they get (10% bonus to Large Energy Turret capacitor use). but then what do we need mwd bonus for. It's nice to have, but we don't need it that bad after we get a bigger cap. The thing we need is dronebay or more then 25% damage bonus in total. Either way i'm sticking with my megathron. Unless you can fit neutrons on this Tier3, would be a nice BS killer. And FawKa the Tier3 Amarr BS is not overpowered, overtanked would be the right word
FawKa Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 22:12:00 - [75] Edited by: FawKa on 25/07/2006 22:12:53 Originally by: Luc Boye Originally by: Karl Shade With 5 mids tracking should be less of a prob even in closerange tbh. Mega BSLV5: 7.5x5=37.5% tracking increase. Hyperion with five mids could go 2xwebs or fit a TC2 for a 30% boost. Not sure wich would be better tbh. 4 mids... webs don't help you because the way tracking works. You miss ship thats standing still if you move with blasters. So webbing a ship that has 0 speed doesn't do anything. Linkage to tracking guide you should look, page 4/5 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=369662&page=1#10 Link to banner
Jerick Ludhowe Arcana Imperii Ltd. Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.07.25 22:21:00 - [76] I personally think a 10% decrease in cap booster duration would be going overboard. However I do like that bonus idea, it is unique and would obviously be very effective, make it 5% per level and that bonus has my vote.
Karl Shade FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.25 22:29:00 - [77] Originally by: Luc Boye Originally by: Karl Shade With 5 mids tracking should be less of a prob even in closerange tbh. Mega BSLV5: 7.5x5=37.5% tracking increase. Hyperion with five mids could go 2xwebs or fit a TC2 for a 30% boost. Not sure wich would be better tbh. 4 mids... webs don't help you because the way tracking works. You miss ship thats standing still if you move with blasters. So webbing a ship that has 0 speed doesn't do anything. Obviously, yeah. Quite a lot of ships that don¦t stand still out there though. -
Pattern Clarc Dark Destiny Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.25 22:53:00 - [78] 190ms base speed.... w00t!
Amerame Section XIII	Posted - 2006.07.25 23:14:00 - [79] It's not a bad ship, but quite disapointing compared to other tier 3 BSes. Depending on the grid / cpu of the Maelstorm & Abaddon the gallente might go from roughly equivalent in fleet pvp to minmatar and amarr to second rate fleet BS. Beside with the tanking bonuses on all other tier 3 BSes, I seriously doubt that the megathron will be anywhere near close of the efficiency of other races for pve. Will it be acceptable that Caldari (Raven), Minmatar (Maelstorm), Amarr (Abaddon) get an extremely efficient PvE ship while the Gallente do not ? Maybe switching the second bonus to 5% more capacitor / level would do. As for fleet battle, I hope it will require at the very least 2 RCU II to fit 8x1400mm and 8xTachyon, else the gallente BS are probably going to diseapear from fleets.
Nebuli Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 23:33:00 - [80] Originally by: Pattern Clarc 190ms base speed.... w00t! Where did you get this info? CEO - Art of War
Glarion Garnier Solar Wind	Posted - 2006.07.25 23:41:00 - [81] Make the Hyperion the tier 2 BS , with 10% rail range bonus + 5% resistances to all armor, Move mega to the place of Hyperion with all of its bonuses. problems solved.
Karl Shade FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.25 23:54:00 - [82] Originally by: Glarion Garnier Make the Hyperion the tier 2 BS , with 10% rail range bonus + 5% resistances to all armor Boring carbon-copy of the Caldari tier3 with fewer slots? No thanks. -
Glarion Garnier Solar Wind	Posted - 2006.07.26 00:08:00 - [83] Originally by: Karl Shade Originally by: Glarion Garnier Make the Hyperion the tier 2 BS , with 10% rail range bonus + 5% resistances to all armor Boring carbon-copy of the Caldari tier3 with fewer slots? No thanks. Feel free to make suggestions then. Like this another way: 7 gun slots , 10% range optimal, 10% damp range bonus ? 8/6/6
Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.07.26 00:08:00 - [84] well you would technically have two med slots free now, one from a cap injector which you dont need anymore and the other from the extra slot, which you can use to plant 2 tracking computers if you wanted to. dont see the problem. Caldari - BS idea
Cohkka	Posted - 2006.07.26 00:10:00 - [85] Originally by: Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol well you would technically have two med slots free now, one from a cap injector which you dont need anymore and the other from the extra slot, which you can use to plant 2 tracking computers if you wanted to. dont see the problem. Yeah and run dry in about 30 secs, great idea. Don't speak english, just F5, F5, F5...
Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.07.26 00:15:00 - [86] Originally by: Cohkka Originally by: Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol well you would technically have two med slots free now, one from a cap injector which you dont need anymore and the other from the extra slot, which you can use to plant 2 tracking computers if you wanted to. dont see the problem. Yeah and run dry in about 30 secs, great idea. well you can still mount one so your tracking would be almost the same, more damage, faster, more agile, more cap efficient. Caldari - BS idea
Cohkka	Posted - 2006.07.26 00:19:00 - [87] Originally by: Karl Shade Originally by: Glarion Garnier Make the Hyperion the tier 2 BS , with 10% rail range bonus + 5% resistances to all armor Boring carbon-copy of the Caldari tier3 with fewer slots? No thanks. Altho I don't like the bonuses he suggest, I want to keep the Megathron hull. It looks like a speedboat and with a better speed it'll finaly become one. Looking at the Gallente tier 3 hull concept art, I'm not impressed. It looks like a butplug and very static, imo meant for long range. At least you have the choice to zoom out... Don't speak english, just F5, F5, F5...
Karl Shade FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.26 00:31:00 - [88] Originally by: Glarion Garnier Originally by: Karl Shade Originally by: Glarion Garnier Make the Hyperion the tier 2 BS , with 10% rail range bonus + 5% resistances to all armor Boring carbon-copy of the Caldari tier3 with fewer slots? No thanks. Feel free to make suggestions then. Like this another way: 7 gun slots , 10% range optimal, 10% damp range bonus ? 8/6/6 I¦m quite happy with the idea of a speedy blasterboat. Wether it will have the trcking required seems to be very midslot-dependant but I¦m reserving judgement until I actually fly it. -
Karl Shade FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.26 00:33:00 - [89] Originally by: Cohkka Looking at the Gallente tier 3 hull concept art, I'm not impressed. It looks like a butplug and very static, imo meant for long range. At least you have the choice to zoom out... I might be the only one but I actually like the concept of the Gal tier3 BS. -
Stanis Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.26 00:57:00 - [90] I want Farjung and Arkazzul to comment on this one!!! Let's see what the best Blaster pilots think :).
Zed Nash	Posted - 2006.07.26 01:28:00 - [91] Edited by: Zed Nash on 26/07/2006 02:00:21 Edited by: Zed Nash on 26/07/2006 01:46:07 It's basically a repackaged Mega. It's not innovative or creative, just a rehash. The Mega is already a decent blaster boat, do we really need another one? Disappointment doesn't fully describe my feelings............. Edit: Why have a tracking bonus on the Mega if the Hyperion forces it into a sniper role? Vindy just got shafted, so all you folks who spent the money for one, you just got shafted too. "Maya Rkell is my online stalker."
Zacheria Malfor Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.26 03:29:00 - [92] To be honest I am very disappointed by the Hyperion, however, I believe in giving this ship a chance. I am more than content with my Blasterthron how it is, ok so it cant fit a full rack of neutrons and tank bla bla bla, doesn't mean it isn't a fantastic and I am even more insulted by the poster who suggested a split hardpoint layout for the Megathron. I must admit though, part of me was hoping for the Tier 3 gallente BS to similar to that of the Celestis. But time will tell. Also I would really like to see DC's views on the new Tier 3 BS and Dreez's views on the Hyperion. Do not fear the reaper, for death is the only certainty in life.
Gierling Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.26 03:33:00 - [93] I think you all know my feelings on the issue. Click Me And Me
Pattern Clarc Dark Destiny Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.26 04:20:00 - [94] Originally by: Gierling I think you all know my feelings on the issue. ? Roden Shipyards? MWD cap penalty?
murder one Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.26 06:51:00 - [95] Originally by: FawKa Edited by: FawKa on 25/07/2006 21:34:18 I wonder how good it will be without a tracking bonus compared to the other new ships. We got our normal 5% dmg, but (5% dmg = 0 use) after caldari and amarr got their 25% resist (oh, and 8 lows for more tanking for the amarr one) and after the 7.5% shield boost to minmatar. To make up for this - we got a huge cap. I has to be gigantic to make up for this. We just lost a tanking bonus, we still have cap problems because of those 7-8 neutron, dual rep and MWD even if we have 3000 more cap than the mega. MWD is an okay bonus tho', but as the other ships has tanking bonuses, the Hyp. really got some issues (yes, depends on the cap and armor - guess we heav to wait). oh, and reduction in dronebay. Oh god, we are the dronemasters afterall, keep the 125m3 as we need that extra dmg as we cant hit a cruise with our guns anymore - AS YOU JUST STOLE OUR TRACKING I'm stil more for dmg and 10% reduction in capbooster cycle and a cargobay on 1200m3. WMD'ing wouldnt be a problem and we got 'sort of' a tanking bonus as we will be able to a dual rep setup quite long. - can I be the first to say that the amarr one seems overpowered btw? 25% resist bonus, 8 lows. That makes it ideal for dmg modding AND superp tanking. This will hopefully get changed when the server goes down because of forum spamming. . Just FFS TUX Just had to say: OMG, worst suggestion EVAR... 10% to cap booster ROF? are you joking? why would anyone ever want a bonus like that? So I can require everyone to use a cap injector on their ship to make it effective? Are you kidding? Furthermore, it would need a 2000m3 cargo hold to hold enough 800 charges to be effective. On top of that, a large cap booster only holds 4 charges. This is good for what? 60 sec of combat then you have to reload? WTH? I burn thru 10-15 800s easily in a big fight vs mult. opponents. Why in hell would I want to eat my charges FASTER? Anyway, just one of the worst ideas ever. Because I said so...
FawKa Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.26 07:32:00 - [96] Originally by: murder one Originally by: FawKa Edited by: FawKa on 25/07/2006 21:34:18 I wonder how good it will be without a tracking bonus compared to the other new ships. We got our normal 5% dmg, but (5% dmg = 0 use) after caldari and amarr got their 25% resist (oh, and 8 lows for more tanking for the amarr one) and after the 7.5% shield boost to minmatar. To make up for this - we got a huge cap. I has to be gigantic to make up for this. We just lost a tanking bonus, we still have cap problems because of those 7-8 neutron, dual rep and MWD even if we have 3000 more cap than the mega. MWD is an okay bonus tho', but as the other ships has tanking bonuses, the Hyp. really got some issues (yes, depends on the cap and armor - guess we heav to wait). oh, and reduction in dronebay. Oh god, we are the dronemasters afterall, keep the 125m3 as we need that extra dmg as we cant hit a cruise with our guns anymore - AS YOU JUST STOLE OUR TRACKING I'm stil more for dmg and 10% reduction in capbooster cycle and a cargobay on 1200m3. WMD'ing wouldnt be a problem and we got 'sort of' a tanking bonus as we will be able to a dual rep setup quite long. - can I be the first to say that the amarr one seems overpowered btw? 25% resist bonus, 8 lows. That makes it ideal for dmg modding AND superp tanking. This will hopefully get changed when the server goes down because of forum spamming. . Just FFS TUX Just had to say: OMG, worst suggestion EVAR... 10% to cap booster ROF? are you joking? why would anyone ever want a bonus like that? So I can require everyone to use a cap injector on their ship to make it effective? Are you kidding? Furthermore, it would need a 2000m3 cargo hold to hold enough 800 charges to be effective. On top of that, a large cap booster only holds 4 charges. This is good for what? 60 sec of combat then you have to reload? WTH? I burn thru 10-15 800s easily in a big fight vs mult. opponents. Why in hell would I want to eat my charges FASTER? Anyway, just one of the worst ideas ever. Doesnt sound like you know how to use em. 10% might be too much as another poster said, 5% would prop do. A faster ROF would simply turn the 5% MWD 'bonus' down as your cap will be fine anyways, even with dual rep going on at the same time. As the other Tier 3 BS's just got tanking bonuses - we kinda need one aswell and this will do. Still, it really require the ship to have a large - very large - cap, but that is what Tux you said it has. If you used those cap boosters, it sounds like 1 cap booster pilot vs another cap booster pilot. Now, You can 'cap tank' NOS and prop win against another cap booster pilot. I do see the problem that you 'have' to fit a cap booster, but omg, a MWD'ing BS without a cap-booster. Its a must anyways, so please http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=369662&page=1#10 Link to banner
Olea Avenger Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.26 07:58:00 - [97] Edited by: Olea Avenger on 26/07/2006 08:02:53 I don't see much use for this in PVP or PVE. PVE is usually all about having a good tank and being able to hit your opponents at almost any range well. It could work in solo PVP, but in any type of fleet battles it will be next to useless. I've tried using a blaster rax in fleet battles. It simply doesn't work that well even if your going after secondary, tertiary, or targets of opertunity (EW ships). Your constantly MWD around to usually find your target dead while your just getting into range, or your out of cap. It's even worse in the lag that often takes place during fleet battles. I see this ship having the same problem. What's even worse is that with the MWD running, you will have a sig radius larger then a titan. Let that sink in.... larger then a Titan. This means while your MWD towards your target, you better have him and his buddies jammed cause your going to take every shot they put at you until you get close. Also don't tell me the Dominix is a good PVE ship. It's alright for ratting, but for deadspace missions, it's a real pain do to drone bugs such as: aggroing a whole complex just by popping, drones still don't return to bays when ordered and/or get hung up on each other, turn off MWD thus making them very vunerable to that missle boat shooting at them, etc. It is also not as good as people think in PVP situations. You'd be surprised at how easy it is to kill one with the right setup. The Megathron used to be a good sniper, but it will now be overshadowed by the Caldari railboat (unless they make it where you can't mount 8 425's... One can hope). So it pretty much seems Amarr and Gallente are getting the shaft as things stand now. Seriously, all those missions against the Amarr agent tell me CCP wants Amarr to mount artillary on their ships. Not sure what they want Gallente to do.
Kyodai Koga	Posted - 2006.07.26 08:08:00 - [98] I vote for the following boni: - +7,5% blaster dmg - +5% MWD velocity I mean, it's supposed to have short targeting range, bad tracking, small drone bay and subpar tanking, so it might as well have bonuses to get in range fast and punch strong with it's weapon of choice. 5% velocity mean you get in range faster, so you use less capacitor as well, while adding the fact that you're in the fight faster too. I don't think it'd be overpowered seeing the other tiers 3 boni... well, ok, it might be a bit overpowered, but you get the idea ^^
Dethis Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.26 08:23:00 - [99] Without a tracking bonus this ship will be to fast i think. The bonus's or tracking of blasters need to be worked out before this goes live. -------- Kill em all and let god sort em out
Nafri Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.26 08:33:00 - [100] When I have time, I will train for it Seems like a decent solo ship, not as pwning as the dominix, but then again its not a drone exploiter From Dusk till Dawn Sig removed, e-mail us if you'd like to know why. -ReverendM ([email protected])
kveldulfson LFC 3rd Front Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.26 08:34:00 - [101] Edited by: kveldulfson on 26/07/2006 08:35:22 Edited by: kveldulfson on 26/07/2006 08:34:56 I have to say I am in the disapointed Camp, without good tracking the Hyperion wont hit ****! Having to use up slots to make up for the tracking hurts your setup. The other races get ships that on paper look much better. And the loss of Drone bay is pathetic!! Hopefully we can get to test these on sisi to see how they really work. But for now CCP please re think the hyperion.
murder one Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.26 08:41:00 - [102] Originally by: FawKa Originally by: murder one Originally by: FawKa Edited by: FawKa on 25/07/2006 21:34:18 snip Doesnt sound like you know how to use em. 10% might be too much as another poster said, 5% would prop do. A faster ROF would simply turn the 5% MWD 'bonus' down as your cap will be fine anyways, even with dual rep going on at the same time. As the other Tier 3 BS's just got tanking bonuses - we kinda need one aswell and this will do. Still, it really require the ship to have a large - very large - cap, but that is what Tux you said it has. If you used those cap boosters, it sounds like 1 cap booster pilot vs another cap booster pilot. Now, You can 'cap tank' NOS and prop win against another cap booster pilot. I do see the problem that you 'have' to fit a cap booster, but omg, a MWD'ing BS without a cap-booster. Its a must anyways, so please I do know how to use blaster ships. Far from having experience on par with people like Farjung etc, but I'm a very competent Blasterthron pilot. Giving a ship a cap injector use bonus would only work if you could fit say, 60 800 charges in an injector at once. Then, you'd see the use of the bonus over the entire fight, instead of every 45 seconds or so, and then have to wait 10 seconds to reload. Bthrons are so knife-edge anyway with cap, even with maxed cap skills etc, that a large cap with only average peak regen won't help at all. My point here is endurance. Cap injectors provide that- endurance. If the Hyperion had an insane natural cap regen bonus (say, 5000 cap, and 200 second regen with the MWD installed) then I think that would make for a good strong MWD capable ship that can still use blasters. Cap injectors should be used to supplement your cap requirements, not be your sole source of cap. As it is now, this is the case w/ the Bthron (sole source) and it will be the same w/ the hyperion. You'll be able to MWD into range, and then poof, you're done, no regen avail to recover your cap for your fight. The idea is to start your fight with a healthy amount of cap, and be able to keep it there. As it sits now, you'll show up with say, 50% cap, and won't ever be able to recover that, while your opponnent is sitting at nearly 100% cap (doesn't have to get to range) and I can almost guarantee you that they're not going to give the Hyperion something upwards of 250-300% more cap than every other BS out there, which is what it will take to make the idea workable. Actually, I've come up with a good nickname for the Hyperion- the "Hype". It's all hype, no substance. Because I said so...
Ms Chief	Posted - 2006.07.26 09:18:00 - [103] Edited by: Ms Chief on 26/07/2006 09:18:41 The MWd bonus is next to useless. only time anyone uses mwd on bs's now is for travel only. Use it in pve o wait u cant. All the mission by the time this comes out will be in deadspace. use it in pvp o wait your now the size of a moon in sig and still go pop before u get close Mwd had its day..... stop trying to undo past changes by giving gallente a bonus in that area when that bonus will not get used by anyone but the most diehard blasterboat peeps summary mwd bonus sux Faster than the mega but no tracking bonus can u say miss miss miss hit dead ( damn alts )
Emeline Cabernet Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.26 09:45:00 - [104] useless, i think not. however, im not sure what you are supposed to hit with it, no tracking bonus tsktsk.. maybe this a solo bs made for dread hunting
Sunetra	Posted - 2006.07.26 09:57:00 - [105] Well they've solved the problem of the Typhoon being the least used BS in the game. People will get Hyperions for novelty value, i'll probably get one, but it's not really a useble ship. With a massive cap and a really slow recharge time your gimped pretty hard if your warping around becuase your cap wont recover that well in all likleyhood. CCP have decreed with the Hyperion 'Tho shalt use blasters' by giving it a crappy targetting range so it's a ship that cookie cutter from the start and I hate that. You might be able to fit a full rack of Neutron blasters and that be great, going to have to downsize them because the tracking on Neutrons is so bad that you'll have to use Ions. You'll still have to use a cap injector because say you meet a Maelstrom, that fight an't going anywhere for a while and your natural cap recharge an't going to help. If your really serious about flying a Blaster ship then get a Vindicator, instead of losing 6.5% of your cap for fitting a MWD if you happen to have BS V you gain cap even with BS IV. It's more agile than a Mega and still has the great tracking bonus. So now Gallente are going to have a Sniper with a massive drone bay and no range bonus and a blaster boat with a small drone bay and no tracking bonus. Unless it's stats are absolutly massive it's going to be a giganitic waste of time. Sunetra
Crellion	Posted - 2006.07.26 09:58:00 - [106] Edited by: Crellion on 26/07/2006 10:01:21 Tracking loss sucks. You dont rly need mwd bonus. If you make it faster base and less mass than Mega that all the mwd/cap help it needs. Then the 8th turret sees for the slight DPS increase and then with same boni as Mega you have a viable blaster boat, presto Model wise I d like the model for the new tier 3 to look like an oversized Deimos with nice green lights and space shuttle mentality
Jin Entres Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2006.07.26 09:59:00 - [107] I'm worried about it's tracking. I don't think it can hit even battleships decently with Void, and that will show in it's effectiveness even though many will be fooled by the good looking DPS on paper. The MWD bonus could be an extra one since blasters are the only weapons which absolutely demand it's use, not to mention other penalties when using one (signature radius, fitting requirements). More speed is a good thing, definitely something a blaster ship needs. But agility is even more important - turning and accelerating is vital whereas max speed rarely matters much. I hope the agility is on par with the velocity. About cap use - as it is, a Mega can run one repper with an injector for a decent period of time. The cap bonus will help in allowing a second repper to be used - if the base cap and recharge are also better and the fitting constraints loose enough. I hope that as a means of compensating for a lack of tanking bonus the fitting possibilities are better so that Hyperion can use neutrons with two reps, given good skills. I guess I'll wait and see how it turns out. I've not given up hope yet. ---
Aramendel	Posted - 2006.07.26 10:22:00 - [108] Originally by: Jin Entres The MWD bonus could be an extra one since blasters are the only weapons which absolutely demand it's use, not to mention other penalties when using one (signature radius, fitting requirements). Technically yes, but projectile or laser closerange ships are effeciently "forced" to use one as well. At least thats the only way they can avoid short of faction webbers that a blastership will get into a few km distance to them and outdps them horribly. Unlike blasters ships they do not need it vs every target, of cource, but if they are not using it they are leaving themselves quite vulnerable towards one.
steveid Penetrate	Posted - 2006.07.26 10:47:00 - [109] The only thing that this ship needs IMO is a huge cargo bay. This would allow an effective cap 800 setup. With that i can see it as a nice solo BS and very much my style. I like that we seem to be getting a couple of different takes on a macharial style ship from the races.
Dinique Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.26 10:55:00 - [110] Originally by: Moornblade Sucks. Rokh is a better blaster boat (unless the Rokh is really, really slow). 25% bonus to resistances=much easier to tank it. Shield tanking=much more efficent with implants/faction mods. 50% bonus to ranges=18-20km optimal range using Null. Rokh; the blaster boat that tanks, and lets you reach out and crush someone. A Rokh with an officer webber will keep a Hyperion/other short range boat at 14km, while uber-tanking with ~70% average resistances. Oh very nice, faction/officer mods used in a balance discussion... Yeah if I wanted to prove the Hyperion sucked i'd put it up vs a fully officer fitted Rokh myself. _____ There's so many different worlds So many different suns And we have just one world But we live in different ones
Croak Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.26 11:24:00 - [111] Edited by: Croak on 26/07/2006 11:30:00 Edited by: Croak on 26/07/2006 11:29:29 How about a new no/less-sig penalty and lower cap drinking MWD, with oh, 10000 CPU need, and give the Hype a 99% bonus to fitting that new MWD, just like cloaks and command links work now. And be sure to seed a goodly amount of BPO's for it. Drop the standard 5% MWD cap-use bonus. You could fix the Diemos pretty quick (or at least un-break it a lot) with a 10nm version of the same, though you run the risk of turning it into a close-range Vagabond. Alternatively, make the special MWD a high boost/short duration unit with the standard cap and sig penalties. Give it a 750% or so velocity bonus and a huge mass capability (so accel is very quick), but a 5 or 7 second cycle. Could manually trigger it, and "pulse" to the target, while keeping some control on your signature, and give you some serious control over transveral once in close. And since the cycle time is shorter, you don't have to drink 30 seconds of cap to power it, even with the increased velocity. More discrete control over both cap usage and manuevering. Plus, if you wanted to just blow through the cap, leave it on auto-repeat to quickly chew up distance. To avoid confusion with standard MWDs, call this a "Pulse Warp Drive"...makes it easy to create a category for it as well, for the fitting reqs and bonus.
Icarius	Posted - 2006.07.26 11:58:00 - [112] keep the mwd bonus. replace dmg bonus by tracking bonus better than megathron's tracking bonus. we don't need dmg bonus on gun, if we alway miss the target. that ll make the ship more versatile than the megathron, but may be less powerfull in dmg output.
Taurgil Balanced Unity	Posted - 2006.07.26 17:21:00 - [113] hmm, i am somewhat irritated too. i didn't expect a hyperthron at all, instead i hoped for something different, something unexpected, like the rokh. The example of a BS based on a Celestis have some appeal. i think at all it is of very limited and very special use, and have to say that the blaster specialisation BLASTED my hopes. Luckily i skilled Gall BS only to Level 3, so i can catch up quickly and change to Caldari if this goes ingame because it appears that the reasons not to fly Cal ships are increasingly dwindling. But after all, one thing I didn't foresee, is that i now have a good reason to train for MDCMII.
Death Merchant InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.07.26 17:47:00 - [114] I hate anyship that you have to fit it a certain way. The other tier 3 BS seem like they can go long or short range with multiple combinations with extremely good tanks. This ships seems very, very limited imho. I dont see it doing anything much better than a current blasterthron can. "What happens in Deklien stays in Deklien".
Deja Thoris Contraband Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.26 18:08:00 - [115] Originally by: Ms Chief Edited by: Ms Chief on 26/07/2006 10:13:45 The MWd bonus is next to useless. only time anyone uses mwd on bs's now is for travel only. Use it in pve o wait u cant. All the mission by the time this comes out will be in deadspace. use it in pvp o wait your now the size of a moon in sig and still go pop before u get close Mwd had its day..... stop trying to undo past changes by giving gallente a bonus in that area, when that bonus will not get used by anyone but the most diehard blasterboat peeps summary mwd bonus sux Faster than the mega but no tracking bonus can u say miss miss miss ( damn alts ) MWD is vital on blaster setups. Summary, most of your poast is rubbish.
Corphus Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.26 19:02:00 - [116] according to tracking guide the tracking thing will be a very big issue if u consider the extreme transversal by rushing into ur target with ur mwd and orbiting it afterwards to reduce the dmg u receive from the opponent. this was an issue with the mega and it will be more than ever with the tier 3 one. wasting slots for drawback compensation like targeting range, tracking, etc. is not an option if the other races can use their slots at 100% for their own needs. it would simply penalise the gallente tier 3 bs. i really hope ccp could include players in the testing on test server so u devs could get as many input as possible for ur decissions before something hits tranquillity and might need further nerfing/boosting. i know that nothing is ready yet but as u see the recent announcement made a lot of ppl worrying about the future. so i hope we can trust in ur right decisions.
Evil Sulu Sanguine Legion Atrocitas	Posted - 2006.07.26 19:46:00 - [117] Having massive DPS with no tracking is like having a huge dong, but not being able to get it up. It impresses the ladies, but just doesn't get the job done. I hope they know what they're doing... but I've got to admit I've got my doubts after reading that blog. ------------- Public channel #KhanidBlood
Bazman Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.26 20:04:00 - [118] The tracking isn't that bad an issue, just ask people who have flown Blasterdoms. I reckon I'll manage just fine with this ship, quite like the thought of orbiting another BS at 10km and eating it with Null laden Neutron Blasters (And they will hit, as long as you don't be a spastic and orbit with an MWD running). And when you use void, its guaranteed that your both going to end up sitting perfectly still while you tear your target apart. Too much is being made of the lack of a tracking bonus. ----- Sig removed, maximum allowed image dimensions are 400x120 and maximum allowed size is 24,000 bytes. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your picture!) -wystler Hi TUXFORD! Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks. I am a
Zyxlo Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.26 20:50:00 - [119] Sadly, i liked all the bonuses but Hyperion struck me hard. Mwd bonus were given away when the mwd penalty was established to %25 to shiel capacity and %25 to capacitor capacity. Thorax and variants still suffers from that 'useless' bonus. Unless ofc you are a speed freak and want to go out in style. For a module that is going to be used 1-2 cycles, a bonus is an extreme luxury. Without knowing the slot layout an also high slot configuration, making assumptions might be a bit out of hand but seeing how people use the words of fitting neutrons and tanking in same sentence makes me wanna weep. This is a crippled mega. Less targeting range and probably longer lock time = bad. Less drone bay = less drone variety = bad. Probably will have an oddball slot layout = yuck. Have more speed = yay .. but whay about agility? Short, drop mwd bonus and while you are at it change the mwd bonuses of other gal ships. Tracking is essential for blaster boat also dmg. So, since almost every blasterpilot uses 800 charges, cap bonuses are moot unless it is %10 more cap per lvl or %10 more cap recharge per lvl, but sadly that is Amarr territory. I want %7.5 to tracking and %7.5 to dmg(or rof) per Gal bs lvl. And since all the races gets a '8' turret on their highs i want my blasterboat to have the same. And some drone space for gods sake. Even Amarr/caldari are using drones why not take our advantage from us? And plz some1 tell me the slot layout.
Callistus Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2006.07.26 20:58:00 - [120] Originally by: Zyxlo This is a crippled mega. Less targeting range and probably longer lock time = bad. Less drone bay = less drone variety = bad. Probably will have an oddball slot layout = yuck. Have more speed = yay .. but whay about agility? Wild speculation ftl No one's said anything about longer lock times. Oddball slot layout? Again nothing's been said. Originally by: Dev Blog Its lighter and faster than Megathron Sounds like it'll be more agile to me. Also from reading the blog its safe to assume they've all got 8 turret hardpoints. -------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]
Zyxlo Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.26 21:30:00 - [121] Quote: it has really crappy targetting range, and I mean really crappy. It also has smaller drone bay than Megathron and obviously worse tracking. From the dev blog... Lighter means less mass thus faster acceleration not agility. Also Tux stated the turret amount in each and every one of tier3 battleships but no mention from Hype. Honestly 8/4/8 is GN Mega and Fed Issue Mega layout and 8/5/7 is Vindicator. Those make me think of an oddball layout tbh. Personally i'd prefer 7/6/7 slot layout (assuming they'll get 20 slots). Even better remove dmg bonus and add %5 less fiting reqs for fitting blasters per Gal BS lvl.
Pattern Clarc Dark Destiny Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.26 22:09:00 - [122] Originally by: Zyxlo Quote: it has really crappy targetting range, and I mean really crappy. It also has smaller drone bay than Megathron and obviously worse tracking. From the dev blog... Lighter means less mass thus faster acceleration not agility. Also Tux stated the turret amount in each and every one of tier3 battleships but no mention from Hype. Honestly 8/4/8 is GN Mega and Fed Issue Mega layout and 8/5/7 is Vindicator. Those make me think of an oddball layout tbh. Personally i'd prefer 7/6/7 slot layout (assuming they'll get 20 slots). Even better remove dmg bonus and add %5 less fiting reqs for fitting blasters per Gal BS lvl. In eve, as in live, agility is determined by inertia, which has mass as a mjor factor. If it's light, it'll be agile.... It's the same reason why assualt frigates are like bricks when you compare them to there t1 counterparts.. Roden Shipyards? MWD cap penalty?

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