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Jarden Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:01:00 - [61] Originally by: Terrak2 No. Just... No. I looked at the Abaddon, and my eyes lit up. "An awesome Amarrian ship, ooh! Amarrians gonna be happy!" I looked at the Rokh and I said "Caldari get to be in fleet battles, and the railthron just got owned. Woohoo" I looked at the Maelstrom and I simply stated "There goes PvP for the rest of us" Finally, I looked at the Hyperion and then I insulted the mothers' of several CCP employees and cried because Gallente have died a little more this day. I'm very glad they decreased mass and increased agility, and I think it will be awesome (IF IT'S EVEN NOTICEABLE). The MWD bonus is the worst bonus ever. Doesn't work on the Thorax or the deimos, doesn't work on any ship that has it. Less drones means less dps, plus no tracking bonus (which is needed for large blasters, as the devs tried to fix with the Mega's boost) means even less. In the end the ship can't tank, and hell it will barely even beat the tank of these new tier 3s probably. I would hate to go up againt a Maelstrom in one. A tankingbonus with some sort of ew would be nice but now we have two ships that do the same and i dont think the new bs will be a better blasterboat then the megathron.
Pattern Clarc Dark Destiny Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:05:00 - [62] its funny, when you compare the threads for the sperate ships, the only ones who seem to be happy are the caldari (again?) I'm happy with the idea of this ship, the drone by needs to be a nice standard one, tracking would be nice but those MWD bonuses really help this ship do what it does better than any ship in it's class, they do work in the rax, and they'll be bonifibly awesome in a (none faction) BS
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:07:00 - [63] tbh the mwd and dmg bonus are GREAT. The drone bay and tracking im ****ed off about High-Sec Piracy Recruitment
Nebuli Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:10:00 - [64] Originally by: Kaeten tbh the mwd and dmg bonus are GREAT. The drone bay and tracking im ****ed off about Signed My initial thoughts were this will be the ub3r up close BS and megas gonna be next to useless with the other tier 3s and not be used for anything. But after consideration I can see it staying the same as it is now for Gal and this tier 3 not realy being used for anything. Having said that, I wonder how good it will be as a sniper, may be better than mega even, tracking bonus does nothing at long ranges anyway, I know they said realy low lock range, but if its got 5 mids can fit 3 sensor booster, 2 tracking cpus, might be good? CEO - Art of War
White Ronin	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:14:00 - [65] less cap recharge + specializing in high cap mods (mwd + blasters) = nos/neut victim less lock range = sensor dampner victim bad tracking = tracking disrupter victim few drones = less options to replace those missing midslots I am thinking they could have done this better. But what do I know. You can have mine if ya want. I'll wait for another drone boat.
Karl Shade FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:20:00 - [66] With 5 mids tracking should be less of a prob even in closerange tbh. Mega BSLV5: 7.5x5=37.5% tracking increase. Hyperion with five mids could go 2xwebs or fit a TC2 for a 30% boost. Not sure wich would be better tbh. 4 mids... -
Lobo Noturno	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:24:00 - [67] I totaly agree that the Hyperion might need different bonuses. The stats fit a blasterboat just fine, and the larger cap is a great counter for the MWD. The lack of a tracking bonus and smaller dronebay bugs me though... Given that the cap is larger than normal for battleships, i'd say ditch the mwd bonus and give it a tracking bonus. And then go back to the Megathron and change the tracking bonus for something more usefull for a fleet ship. It makes no sense to give every race three different types of Battleships and then give the gallentes two half-asses blasterboats... Other option would be giving it more dronebay space(if thorax has 5 meds, Hyperion should have 5 heavies), go back to the megathron and reduce drone bay(75), change its tracking bonus to something usefull in fleet fights(extra sensor range comes to mind). This should keep all three gallente ships different enough. It would slightly nerf the megathron, but if it will be the only viable gallente fleet ship, it should be good at it, rather than a blaster-boat wannabe.
Weirda Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:36:00 - [68] /me waits for DC to weigh in on this... Weirda know jack-all about Gallente ship... knowing certain pilot that like this ship already though leading to believe that you just can't make everone happy all time though, but the truely dedicated blaster pilot (known) that already weighed in look like CCP got this right for its role tbh. __ Weirda Join QOTSA Now
Keitaro Baka Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:45:00 - [69] I'm deeply disappointed ... Sure all the gun users will be happy with their new toys... As a drone user I'm getting pretty much frelled off with the stick we're getting.. - no hardwiring for us drone users... - if you really want to use a pure drone setup now you're stuck with the same couple of ships - drone control units are capital ship mods, can't be used in empire, uber expensive etc - no named mods, no t2 mods, no named drones, drone bugs, overpriced t2 drones (please seed some more bp's k thnx) I've had my domi for almost 2 years now... i like the ishkur, can't use guns so my domi > ishtar in mishes... So I guess I'm stuck eh... thnx .. To be completely on topic: I think it's a missed chance: the big hybrid users will now get caldari bs and gallie bs to have a complete range of gun usage... I suggested a mini carrier setup earlier with a +1 non-combat drone per level +5% dmg on medium & small hybrids But hey lets have the blasterwhiners have a better ship than the mega this sux royally
FawKa Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 22:00:00 - [70] Originally by: White Ronin less cap recharge + specializing in high cap mods (mwd + blasters) = nos/neut victim less lock range = sensor dampner victim bad tracking = tracking disrupter victim few drones = less options to replace those missing midslots you just got it all, there you go again Tux, change the damn bonus http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=369662&page=1#10 Link to banner
Luc Boye Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.25 22:00:00 - [71] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Nebuli Anyone else concerned about the fact this ship is faster than the mega, yet doesnt have ANY tracking bonus? Not sure if more speed, more damage AND more tracking is balanced. How is raven (no need for speed, no need for tracking, nice damage nice tank) balanced then?
Luc Boye Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.25 22:03:00 - [72] Originally by: Karl Shade With 5 mids tracking should be less of a prob even in closerange tbh. Mega BSLV5: 7.5x5=37.5% tracking increase. Hyperion with five mids could go 2xwebs or fit a TC2 for a 30% boost. Not sure wich would be better tbh. 4 mids... webs don't help you because the way tracking works. You miss ship thats standing still if you move with blasters. So webbing a ship that has 0 speed doesn't do anything.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 22:05:00 - [73] Originally by: Luc Boye How is raven (no need for speed, no need for tracking, nice damage nice tank) balanced then? I think the whining about the Raven shows its not really seen as a balanced ship. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Nsation	Posted - 2006.07.25 22:05:00 - [74] Originally by: FawKa Edited by: FawKa on 25/07/2006 21:34:18 I wonder how good it will be without a tracking bonus compared to the other new ships. We got our normal 5% dmg, but (5% dmg = 0 use) after caldari and amarr got their 25% resist (oh, and 8 lows for more tanking for the amarr one) and after the 7.5% shield boost to minmatar. To make up for this - we got a huge cap. I has to be gigantic to make up for this. We just lost a tanking bonus, we still have cap problems because of those 7-8 neutron, dual rep and MWD even if we have 3000 more cap than the mega. MWD is an okay bonus tho', but as the other ships has tanking bonuses, the Hyp. really got some issues (yes, depends on the cap and armor - guess we heav to wait). oh, and reduction in dronebay. Oh god, we are the dronemasters afterall, keep the 125m3 as we need that extra dmg as we cant hit a cruise with our guns anymore - AS YOU JUST STOLE OUR TRACKING I'm stil more for dmg and 10% reduction in capbooster cycle and a cargobay on 1200m3. WMD'ing wouldnt be a problem and we got 'sort of' a tanking bonus as we will be able to a dual rep setup quite long. - can I be the first to say that the amarr one seems overpowered btw? 25% resist bonus, 8 lows. That makes it ideal for dmg modding AND superp tanking. This will hopefully get changed when the server goes down because of forum spamming. . Just FFS TUX I would totally agree on this. The tanking of an amarr Tier3 would be hard to break even if we can keep neutrons and tank them a bit going (f.x.). If they don't give us tracking bonus i guess we have something to hit those torpedoes back with if the neutrons fit. I can't say much just stonned over they even could think about remove tracking. It's diffently not a mission-runner ship like the other races just got with the tanking bonus. It's fair enough they give us the bigger cap. i know Amarr could use it without the normal bonus they get (10% bonus to Large Energy Turret capacitor use). but then what do we need mwd bonus for. It's nice to have, but we don't need it that bad after we get a bigger cap. The thing we need is dronebay or more then 25% damage bonus in total. Either way i'm sticking with my megathron. Unless you can fit neutrons on this Tier3, would be a nice BS killer. And FawKa the Tier3 Amarr BS is not overpowered, overtanked would be the right word
FawKa Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.25 22:12:00 - [75] Edited by: FawKa on 25/07/2006 22:12:53 Originally by: Luc Boye Originally by: Karl Shade With 5 mids tracking should be less of a prob even in closerange tbh. Mega BSLV5: 7.5x5=37.5% tracking increase. Hyperion with five mids could go 2xwebs or fit a TC2 for a 30% boost. Not sure wich would be better tbh. 4 mids... webs don't help you because the way tracking works. You miss ship thats standing still if you move with blasters. So webbing a ship that has 0 speed doesn't do anything. Linkage to tracking guide you should look, page 4/5 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=369662&page=1#10 Link to banner
Jerick Ludhowe Arcana Imperii Ltd. Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.07.25 22:21:00 - [76] I personally think a 10% decrease in cap booster duration would be going overboard. However I do like that bonus idea, it is unique and would obviously be very effective, make it 5% per level and that bonus has my vote.
Karl Shade FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.25 22:29:00 - [77] Originally by: Luc Boye Originally by: Karl Shade With 5 mids tracking should be less of a prob even in closerange tbh. Mega BSLV5: 7.5x5=37.5% tracking increase. Hyperion with five mids could go 2xwebs or fit a TC2 for a 30% boost. Not sure wich would be better tbh. 4 mids... webs don't help you because the way tracking works. You miss ship thats standing still if you move with blasters. So webbing a ship that has 0 speed doesn't do anything. Obviously, yeah. Quite a lot of ships that don¦t stand still out there though. -
Pattern Clarc Dark Destiny Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.25 22:53:00 - [78] 190ms base speed.... w00t!
Amerame Section XIII	Posted - 2006.07.25 23:14:00 - [79] It's not a bad ship, but quite disapointing compared to other tier 3 BSes. Depending on the grid / cpu of the Maelstorm & Abaddon the gallente might go from roughly equivalent in fleet pvp to minmatar and amarr to second rate fleet BS. Beside with the tanking bonuses on all other tier 3 BSes, I seriously doubt that the megathron will be anywhere near close of the efficiency of other races for pve. Will it be acceptable that Caldari (Raven), Minmatar (Maelstorm), Amarr (Abaddon) get an extremely efficient PvE ship while the Gallente do not ? Maybe switching the second bonus to 5% more capacitor / level would do. As for fleet battle, I hope it will require at the very least 2 RCU II to fit 8x1400mm and 8xTachyon, else the gallente BS are probably going to diseapear from fleets.
Nebuli Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.25 23:33:00 - [80] Originally by: Pattern Clarc 190ms base speed.... w00t! Where did you get this info? CEO - Art of War
Glarion Garnier Solar Wind	Posted - 2006.07.25 23:41:00 - [81] Make the Hyperion the tier 2 BS , with 10% rail range bonus + 5% resistances to all armor, Move mega to the place of Hyperion with all of its bonuses. problems solved.
Karl Shade FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.25 23:54:00 - [82] Originally by: Glarion Garnier Make the Hyperion the tier 2 BS , with 10% rail range bonus + 5% resistances to all armor Boring carbon-copy of the Caldari tier3 with fewer slots? No thanks. -
Glarion Garnier Solar Wind	Posted - 2006.07.26 00:08:00 - [83] Originally by: Karl Shade Originally by: Glarion Garnier Make the Hyperion the tier 2 BS , with 10% rail range bonus + 5% resistances to all armor Boring carbon-copy of the Caldari tier3 with fewer slots? No thanks. Feel free to make suggestions then. Like this another way: 7 gun slots , 10% range optimal, 10% damp range bonus ? 8/6/6
Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.07.26 00:08:00 - [84] well you would technically have two med slots free now, one from a cap injector which you dont need anymore and the other from the extra slot, which you can use to plant 2 tracking computers if you wanted to. dont see the problem. Caldari - BS idea
Cohkka	Posted - 2006.07.26 00:10:00 - [85] Originally by: Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol well you would technically have two med slots free now, one from a cap injector which you dont need anymore and the other from the extra slot, which you can use to plant 2 tracking computers if you wanted to. dont see the problem. Yeah and run dry in about 30 secs, great idea. Don't speak english, just F5, F5, F5...
Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.07.26 00:15:00 - [86] Originally by: Cohkka Originally by: Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol well you would technically have two med slots free now, one from a cap injector which you dont need anymore and the other from the extra slot, which you can use to plant 2 tracking computers if you wanted to. dont see the problem. Yeah and run dry in about 30 secs, great idea. well you can still mount one so your tracking would be almost the same, more damage, faster, more agile, more cap efficient. Caldari - BS idea
Cohkka	Posted - 2006.07.26 00:19:00 - [87] Originally by: Karl Shade Originally by: Glarion Garnier Make the Hyperion the tier 2 BS , with 10% rail range bonus + 5% resistances to all armor Boring carbon-copy of the Caldari tier3 with fewer slots? No thanks. Altho I don't like the bonuses he suggest, I want to keep the Megathron hull. It looks like a speedboat and with a better speed it'll finaly become one. Looking at the Gallente tier 3 hull concept art, I'm not impressed. It looks like a butplug and very static, imo meant for long range. At least you have the choice to zoom out... Don't speak english, just F5, F5, F5...
Karl Shade FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.26 00:31:00 - [88] Originally by: Glarion Garnier Originally by: Karl Shade Originally by: Glarion Garnier Make the Hyperion the tier 2 BS , with 10% rail range bonus + 5% resistances to all armor Boring carbon-copy of the Caldari tier3 with fewer slots? No thanks. Feel free to make suggestions then. Like this another way: 7 gun slots , 10% range optimal, 10% damp range bonus ? 8/6/6 I¦m quite happy with the idea of a speedy blasterboat. Wether it will have the trcking required seems to be very midslot-dependant but I¦m reserving judgement until I actually fly it. -
Karl Shade FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.26 00:33:00 - [89] Originally by: Cohkka Looking at the Gallente tier 3 hull concept art, I'm not impressed. It looks like a butplug and very static, imo meant for long range. At least you have the choice to zoom out... I might be the only one but I actually like the concept of the Gal tier3 BS. -
Stanis Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.26 00:57:00 - [90] I want Farjung and Arkazzul to comment on this one!!! Let's see what the best Blaster pilots think :).

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