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Hilabana Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.09.19 17:05:00 - [61] It is getting close to draw a line in space and make a stand to Stop the MACRO miner if CCP can no longer find a way to take this problem in hand it may soon be up to all the players to take sides and fight for the good of ALL ! Be it ore thief , Pirates or others if we do not take this stand now and do what is right what will happen to eve in the long run? we can see it going down hill as it is with all the macro players. Not only macro miners but macro ratters yes macro ratting ! And CCP knows they have to if the players know and so many others on the internet.
Taran Summers The Merovingians	Posted - 2007.09.19 17:12:00 - [62] Originally by: Lurtz Macro is bad.... Necro is almost as bad..... IBTL What if its an automated poster. A macro necroer!
Plundaar	Posted - 2007.09.19 17:15:00 - [63] Dear lord... the arguements are on all sides... Alright, time to put in two tenths of an isk. 1: Mining is dull 2: People would rather do other things 3: Something needs to be done, nobody agrees what Alright... lets try this Drone Mining container. discuss
Frash Gallente Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.09.19 17:30:00 - [64] Originally by: Veruna Caseti Sorry, no, you're all wrong. According to the EULA and the Developer's who have posted in previous posts on this subject ALL FORMS OF MACROS are illegal and a bannable offense. Even Macros recorded at "normal human speed" help you gain resources at an "accelerated" rate compared with NORMAL GAMEPLAY - because they allow you to devote more time than you would during normal gameplay. Otherwise, why else would you be using a macro? How many hours would you be willing to spend mining without said macro? 4? 5? 8? How many could you spend WITH it? 8? 10? 16? Just because the macro moves "at the speed of a human" doesn't mean you will be gaining resources at a rate consistent with normal gameplay. It has been stated before by players and developers. ALL MACROS are a violation of the EULA and you will face a ban if you are caught using one. What about the G15 keyboard? Anyone have any hard info with the macro keys usable with the keyboard? Don't like EVE-Radio.com? Try ETN.FM or Afterhoursdjs.com
Motokko Minmatar	Posted - 2007.09.19 17:39:00 - [65] Edited by: Motokko on 19/09/2007 17:41:17 I read the post by that guy whi says he mines for 4-5 hours straight whilst watching movies, he just drags the ore every few minutes without paying much attention. This got me thinking. I mean he's not really playing the game is he, so is it really any different to having a macro doing the ore dragging? Just where do people draw the line at what is acceptable and not acceptable? Please select and post a number from the list below for where you think the described activity starts to become non acceptable: 1) I devote my whole attention to the game whilst mining. 2) I occationaly glance at the screen in order to drag ore whilst doing something else outside of the game. 3) I've drawn crosshairs on my table to line the mouse up to so I know where to move and click the mouse in order to drag my ore every few minutes without needing to have the game displaying on the monitor. 4) I've set up a complex system of pulleys attached to a motor which moves my arm and pushes my fingers every few minutes in the precise motion needed to drag my ore. 5) I've attached wheels and a motor to my mouse so that the mouse performs the motions needed to drag the ore by itself every few minutes whilst I rest my hand on the mouse. 6) I've attached wheels and a motor to my mouse so that the mouse performs the motions needed to drag the ore by itself every few minutes whilst my hand isn't touching the mouse. 7) Instead of using complex ways to avoid doing this repetative task I run a program which simulates mouse movements in software in order to drag my ore. Vote now.
minerdave Gallente Ma-Ven Industries Phobos Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.19 17:40:00 - [66] heres how you get a macro: 1: go to zero sec space in a ship fitted with smartbombs 2: look for a player 3: attack whilst shouting "Leroy Jenkins!!" in Local 4: quit eve and delete chars 5: turn off PC then put a magnet next to the hard drive or you can simply not use a macros and mine THE PROPER WAY there are ways to pass time whilst mining set up a console game and play that, watch Tv or a movie,listen to the radio, chat to corp mates if there is any, or even read a book.
Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.19 17:48:00 - [67] Originally by: Hilabana It is getting close to draw a line in space and make a stand to Stop the MACRO miner if CCP can no longer find a way to take this problem in hand it may soon be up to all the players to take sides and fight for the good of ALL ! Be it ore thief , Pirates or others if we do not take this stand now and do what is right what will happen to eve in the long run? we can see it going down hill as it is with all the macro players. Not only macro miners but macro ratters yes macro ratting ! And CCP knows they have to if the players know and so many others on the internet. read the tribune article, you cant kill them all because there are thousands. CCP is the only one who can fix this and they aint even trying. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Fuk Mi	Posted - 2007.09.20 15:42:00 - [68] Edited by: Fuk Mi on 20/09/2007 15:42:45 Originally by: Cornucopian Originally by: Hilabana It is getting close to draw a line in space and make a stand to Stop the MACRO miner if CCP can no longer find a way to take this problem in hand it may soon be up to all the players to take sides and fight for the good of ALL ! Be it ore thief , Pirates or others if we do not take this stand now and do what is right what will happen to eve in the long run? we can see it going down hill as it is with all the macro players. Not only macro miners but macro ratters yes macro ratting ! And CCP knows they have to if the players know and so many others on the internet. read the tribune article, you cant kill them all because there are thousands. CCP is the only one who can fix this and they aint even trying. Wow not locked yet..... I knew ISD was re-aligning but didn't realized Mods were in this short supply!
Ratridevi	Posted - 2007.09.20 15:45:00 - [69] Flame on guys !!
RaTTuS BIG Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.09.20 15:52:00 - [70] Originally by: Ather Ialeas Edited by: Ather Ialeas on 19/09/2007 16:23:58 Edited by: Ather Ialeas on 19/09/2007 16:23:26 Originally by: RaTTuS Necro FTL macros are not allowed end of commemt Are you sure? There's nothing about it in EULA! 7. CONDUCT ... 3. You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game. 4 & 5 are also intersting -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve & RaTTuS Home
Lurtz Caldari Gunrunners and Gamblers	Posted - 2007.09.20 15:56:00 - [71] Originally by: RaTTuS Originally by: Ather Ialeas Edited by: Ather Ialeas on 19/09/2007 16:23:58 Edited by: Ather Ialeas on 19/09/2007 16:23:26 Originally by: RaTTuS Necro FTL macros are not allowed end of commemt Are you sure? There's nothing about it in EULA! 7. CONDUCT ... 3. You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game. 4 & 5 are also intersting Do you realize you are commenting on something written 4 years ago by a player probably long gone?
Firkragg Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.09.20 16:02:00 - [72] Originally by: Steini OFSI Quote: (3) You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.¥ There is a clause here, it only states at accelerated rate, so if you would modify it with a variable timer of calculated disstoriention of a human playing ability it is not forbidden right Anyway it's cheating and unfair so don't do it. I would make a hell of a laywer This would only hold true if you were sat at the computer the entire time. As soon as you leave the computer just leaving the macro running your gaining items at an accelerated rate compared to how you normally would since normally you not being at the machine would slow you down. Therfore you are breaking the rules.
H'attack	Posted - 2007.09.20 16:06:00 - [73] OMG WTF NECRO !!
Cypherous Minmatar Liberty Rogues	Posted - 2007.09.20 16:08:00 - [74] Originally by: Frash Originally by: Veruna Caseti Sorry, no, you're all wrong. According to the EULA and the Developer's who have posted in previous posts on this subject ALL FORMS OF MACROS are illegal and a bannable offense. Even Macros recorded at "normal human speed" help you gain resources at an "accelerated" rate compared with NORMAL GAMEPLAY - because they allow you to devote more time than you would during normal gameplay. Otherwise, why else would you be using a macro? How many hours would you be willing to spend mining without said macro? 4? 5? 8? How many could you spend WITH it? 8? 10? 16? Just because the macro moves "at the speed of a human" doesn't mean you will be gaining resources at a rate consistent with normal gameplay. It has been stated before by players and developers. ALL MACROS are a violation of the EULA and you will face a ban if you are caught using one. What about the G15 keyboard? Anyone have any hard info with the macro keys usable with the keyboard? G15 is allowed as all it does is store the keyboard keys you press F1-F8 for example and allows them to be pressed altogether at the press of a button, it cannot mine for you it cannot rat for you it cannot make you isk without you being at the keyboard so its fine :) --------- Liberty Rogues Website
Gorefacer Caldari Resurrection	Posted - 2007.09.20 16:13:00 - [75] Originally by: Phoenix Leo Kalhan, your scare tactics doesn't work. If you disagree you'll have to take to logic and reason or you won't add anything of value to this discussion. I've been playing for 6 months. About 90% of my ingame time has prolly gone to mining. I've done mining ops that have lasted days. I can imagine there are plenty of other players that are as bored of mining as I am, yet it is the only sensible, lowrisk way to have a steady income. I've been on the brink of leaving EVE several times, but events and people within my corp has made me stay for a little while longer. So imagine my relief, when I realize I could put a program to work doing this repetitive, mindnumbing task. If the devs tell me it's a no-no, fine, I'll cease. I do not believe they'll just shut my account down without warning though; I have not done harm to anyone in any way. Perhaps CCP already has a solution to the problem, if not there are plenty of ideas to choose from. I've mined maybe a total profit of under 5mil ISK. Total mining time spent = 3hrs? Total current assets + liquid ISK = 2.5bil It is entirely possible to never mine in this game at all and make all the ISK you want. Making ISK while not playing the game is unfair to others that don't use these methods. Most MMOs I've played have not allowed this because an even playing field is crucial to any online game. "You can't reason someone out of a belief they haven't reasoned themselves into" - Prometheus
Gorefacer Caldari Resurrection	Posted - 2007.09.20 16:24:00 - [76] Originally by: Lurtz Originally by: RaTTuS Originally by: Ather Ialeas Edited by: Ather Ialeas on 19/09/2007 16:23:58 Edited by: Ather Ialeas on 19/09/2007 16:23:26 Originally by: RaTTuS Necro FTL macros are not allowed end of commemt Are you sure? There's nothing about it in EULA! 7. CONDUCT ... 3. You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game. 4 & 5 are also intersting Do you realize you are commenting on something written 4 years ago by a player probably long gone? It sounds like the issue is still active and a valid discussion. Much more so than other necros I've seen. "You can't reason someone out of a belief they haven't reasoned themselves into" - Prometheus
Rhaegor Stormborn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.09.20 17:18:00 - [77] Holy crap I read the first two pages because I thought this was a new thread. Rhaegor Stormborn Fleet Admiral - Pestilent Industries Amalgamated [PIA] Recruitment Thread
Roger Welco Caldari WhiteGlaze Interstellar Inc.	Posted - 2007.09.20 17:30:00 - [78] Edited by: Roger Welco on 20/09/2007 17:31:40 Originally by: Veruna Caseti Sorry, no, you're all wrong. According to the EULA and the Developer's who have posted in previous posts on this subject ALL FORMS OF MACROS are illegal and a bannable offense. Even Macros recorded at "normal human speed" help you gain resources at an "accelerated" rate compared with NORMAL GAMEPLAY - because they allow you to devote more time than you would during normal gameplay. Otherwise, why else would you be using a macro? How many hours would you be willing to spend mining without said macro? 4? 5? 8? How many could you spend WITH it? 8? 10? 16? Just because the macro moves "at the speed of a human" doesn't mean you will be gaining resources at a rate consistent with normal gameplay. It has been stated before by players and developers. ALL MACROS are a violation of the EULA and you will face a ban if you are caught using one. To me it does not appear to make a differnce, all the macro miners i have reported to CCP (even the ones who admit it in chat) CCP does nothing about. They are still playing and they are still mining 23/7.(with 5 mining ships, a booster ship and haulers at that ) So it looks like they enforce the parts of the EULA, that suit them. And keep the monthly fee for the macros. Especially as most of the macros are using at the very least 6 accounts at once when they do it.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.09.20 17:40:00 - [79] Zombies ate my neighbors. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Grawshellar	Posted - 2007.09.20 17:41:00 - [80] Necro'd topic, but good stuff nevertheless. Current EULA statement on macros: "You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game." Doesn't look like it was ever modified. So that means attended macro'ing is ok eh? Maybe that explains why the macrominers don't get banned, they have someone watching the keyboard :P
Tenerhaddi Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2007.09.20 17:53:00 - [81] Macro bad! I sick of looking for good ore because of macros! Its not fair and dont like it then deal with it or leave end of mining boring fine do something else! When i mine i ***** the fourms and do others thing and play another game on another computer while my maine runs 3 accounts but I still there draging the dam veld across :/ ---------------- http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1771556
Chainsaw Plankton	Posted - 2007.09.20 18:14:00 - [82] Originally by: Steini OFSI Quote: (3) You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.¥ There is a clause here, it only states at accelerated rate, so if you would modify it with a variable timer of calculated disstoriention of a human playing ability it is not forbidden right Anyway it's cheating and unfair so don't do it. I would make a hell of a laywer macro mining 23/7 is an accelerated rate. people cant play 23/7.... and if you can you are missing out on a lot in life.
Zaqar	Posted - 2007.09.20 18:38:00 - [83] nerf necro mining!
JamnOne Amarr	Posted - 2007.09.20 18:55:00 - [84] Originally by: H'attack OMG WTF NECRO !! Ok - noob question...what is "NECRO"? ________________________ Originally by: CCP Prism X Hah! Vengeance is sweet!
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2007.09.20 19:58:00 - [85] Necro mining is when someone has an army of undead piloting the mining barges for them.....

Kaemonn Forum Moderator	Posted - 2007.09.20 20:24:00 - [86] Necroing is bad m'kay. forum rules \| [email protected]\| Eve-CCG Originally by: kieron: off duty You dont have to swallow!


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