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Dragodrone	Posted - 2003.10.06 09:09:00 - [1] How do i set them up?
Nicholas Marshal	Posted - 2003.10.06 09:10:00 - [2] To set up a macro, you must visit FD-MLJ and seek the assistance of the first vessels you see there. They should be able to give you what you want.
Fausto	Posted - 2003.10.06 09:30:00 - [3] And for your brilliant advice you get 1,000,000 mega waiting for you ate New Caldari Sun. Just direct your ship towards the star, start your engines and go to bed ______ <brainpodder>
edudtset	Posted - 2003.10.06 11:16:00 - [4] RTFM?
Zvavos d'long	Posted - 2003.10.06 11:22:00 - [5] I would read the EULA before seting up any macros.
Dragodrone	Posted - 2003.10.06 12:11:00 - [6] I'm a bit curious about the answers... I'm thought about posts like "AFK mining with macros"... I was just wondering if it's possible and how it's done, nothing else Maybe it's the language..
Riana Tabost	Posted - 2003.10.06 12:53:00 - [7] Quote: I'm a bit curious about the answers... I'm thought about posts like "AFK mining with macros"... I was just wondering if it's possible and how it's done, nothing else Maybe it's the language.. No, really, read the EULA. EULA = End User License Agreement. It is the agreement you click "Accept" to every time you play. Think about the affects of everybody being able to macro-mine. Do you really think there would be any ore left anywhere? __________________________________________________________________________ May I recommend a Cybernetic Subprocessor?.. That's an intelligence implant, sweetheart. Ideas Lab - Reprocessing
Dragodrone	Posted - 2003.10.06 13:01:00 - [8] Thanks for your answer! I have read the EULA, but i think i passed some important paragraphs.. Anyway, thanks ----- THE END ----
edudtset	Posted - 2003.10.06 13:11:00 - [9] Edited by: edudtset on 06/10/2003 13:11:58 Quote: 7. CONDUCTØ Ø A. Specifically Restricted ConductØ Ø Your continued access to the System and license to play the Game is subject to proper conduct. Without limiting CCP's rights to control the Game environment, and the conduct of the players within that environment, CCP prohibits the following practices that CCP has determined detract from the overall user experience of the users playing the Game:Ø Ø (1) You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System.Ø Ø (2) You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.Ø Ø (3) You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.Ø Ø (4) You may not use the Software, or any information accessible through the System, to bypass the System login architecture or create or provide any other means through which the System may be accessed and/or the Game may be played by others, as, for example, through server emulators.Ø Ø (5) You may not engage in any conduct that results in an Account containing items, objects, currency, character attributes, rank, or status that are inappropriate for the level or rank of the character contained in the Account, including without limitation arranging, making or accepting transfers of items to a character without adequate consideration, thereby augmenting or aggregating items in an Account and increasing its value for an Account sale.Ø ================================================ I just find laughable that, despite all the big talk, they end their "careers" in such a way. oO
Steini OFSI	Posted - 2003.10.06 13:39:00 - [10] Quote: (3) You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.Ø There is a clause here, it only states at accelerated rate, so if you would modify it with a variable timer of calculated disstoriention of a human playing ability it is not forbidden right Anyway it's cheating and unfair so don't do it. I would make a hell of a laywer
Steini OFSI	Posted - 2003.10.06 14:00:00 - [11] Still want to know if I'm right on this matter.
Kushy	Posted - 2003.10.06 14:21:00 - [12] you're right. a macro operating at "normal human speed" would be perfectly legal according to EVE's EULA.
Phoenix Leo	Posted - 2003.10.06 14:26:00 - [13] Quote: Still want to know if I'm right on this matter. I agree. I have been using a macro, basically just recorded myself doing a mining run and then set it to repeat ad nauseum. I shall not mine, mining is the mindkiller. To answer the original post: 1. Download Macro Express(30-day demo) from tucows. 2. Start EVE in windowed mode. 3. Record yourself doing a mining run. 4. Add repeat commands to the script. 5. Activate macro. 6. Go to bed, go to work or go and get drunk. Actually between 4 and 5 should be check with CCP so you don't get your account shut down.
Steini OFSI	Posted - 2003.10.06 14:32:00 - [14] All you cheaters out there, I want 10% of your cheating income as your laywer. /emotes feels like a laywer defending criminals. I have no conscience
Bilabong	Posted - 2003.10.06 14:46:00 - [15] So whats the Dev's opinion on this then???? Plz post and confirm that Macro Mining is cheating and will result in your account being closed....or not. Put an end to this hidious craze in macro mining. Death to the cheaters
Cptn Stardust	Posted - 2003.10.06 14:55:00 - [16] To answer the original post: 1. Download Macro Express(30-day demo) from tucows. 2. Start EVE in windowed mode. 3. Record yourself doing a mining run. 4. Add repeat commands to the script. 5. Activate macro. 5a Your ship get's rammed a very large distance away from asteroid belt, and your macro script has a heart attack 6. Go to bed, go to work or go and get drunk.
Scragg	Posted - 2003.10.06 15:06:00 - [17] Edited by: Scragg on 06/10/2003 15:09:06 This is kind of an ongoing debate. Some people say it's fine to macro mine as long as you are not doing it in a way that makes it any quicker then someone doing it manually. Other people say all macros are bad juju. CCP's bad... they should not have made the Eula quite so ambiguous on that point. To my knowledge CCP has yet to clarify their stance on the use of a macro program that do not interface directly with the Eve client. Personally I can't see why CCP would give a rip if you used a program to emulate keyboard and mouse clicks and drags as long as you arenÆt doing anything any quicker than someone can do by hand. That said I'm sure other people have other opinions. I believe CCP has other more pressing issues to worry about like duping and exploiting at the moment. When they get a handle on that then they can address this issue. Fire your lawyer.... he should be telling you not to admit doing this or giving others instrucitons on how to do it until CCP clarifies their stance on the issue. But.. since this thread has not been locked or deleted you could take that as tacid aproval to the effect that it is permitted. Scragg, Tyrell Corporation Vice-Director Military Operations
Deadmetal	Posted - 2003.10.06 15:50:00 - [18] the EULA says it all... "you cannot use to gain at an ACCELERATED pace" that would mean that recording a normal mining session and replaying it is okie dokey. and short of running scams on other players afk mining is about the only way to get enuff isk to compete with the BIG boyz out there. I'm not paying X dollars a month to sit and listen to my mining lasers grind away at a roid. "Human Nature - If someone put a big red button in a remote mountain cave with a sign on it 'End of the world button!! Do not push!!.. the paint wouldn't have a chance to dry."
Veruna Caseti	Posted - 2003.10.06 16:00:00 - [19] Sorry, no, you're all wrong. According to the EULA and the Developer's who have posted in previous posts on this subject ALL FORMS OF MACROS are illegal and a bannable offense. Even Macros recorded at "normal human speed" help you gain resources at an "accelerated" rate compared with NORMAL GAMEPLAY - because they allow you to devote more time than you would during normal gameplay. Otherwise, why else would you be using a macro? How many hours would you be willing to spend mining without said macro? 4? 5? 8? How many could you spend WITH it? 8? 10? 16? Just because the macro moves "at the speed of a human" doesn't mean you will be gaining resources at a rate consistent with normal gameplay. It has been stated before by players and developers. ALL MACROS are a violation of the EULA and you will face a ban if you are caught using one. Veruna Caseti Ishukone
Deadmetal	Posted - 2003.10.06 16:11:00 - [20] good point.. unfortunately the EULA is rather fuzzy and open to interpetation. Ah well.... this wouldn't be such a flippin problem if it wasn't so dammed hard to make enuff isk to get the equip you want / need. As I've noted before.. it's more like work than real work to get anywhere. Oh well.... "Human Nature - If someone put a big red button in a remote mountain cave with a sign on it 'End of the world button!! Do not push!!.. the paint wouldn't have a chance to dry."
Kalhan	Posted - 2003.10.06 16:12:00 - [21] Edited by: Kalhan on 06/10/2003 16:14:19 Quote: You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play I Believe you have all misread the rule. "status at an accelerated rate" is separate. Maybe they should put it like this. You may not use... Macros other stored rapid keystrokes other patterns of play That facilitate.... acquisition of items currency objects character attributes rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. This line "when compared with ordinary Game play" is the biggest one. "Ordinary Game play", meaning not using another program to play the game. Think of it from a programers point of view. They didn't create the game to be played by other programs. I have played lots of Multiplayer online games and they all say have a rule like this in them. They made the game. They make the rules. You should have the rules clearified if you don't understand before. Doing something even close to what is writen. From what I have read in the Dev chats and other places Phoenix Leo and other in this thread will be warned if not banned right away for using and kind of macro.
Veruna Caseti	Posted - 2003.10.06 16:13:00 - [22] Quote: this wouldn't be such a flippin problem if it wasn't so dammed hard to make enuff isk to get the equip you want / need. It also wouldn't be a problem if mining wasn't so bloody boring that you were desperate for a way to do it without actually requiring your presence. But, as it stands mining is boring and macros are illegal - so it's risk boredom, risk banning, or risk not having enough money to replace your ship next time it gets blown up. Decisions, decsisions. Veruna Caseti Ishukone
Kalhan	Posted - 2003.10.06 16:18:00 - [23] Edited by: Kalhan on 06/10/2003 16:18:41 It is suppose to take time to progress. You all are lazy. How are you all suppose to get anywhere by not doing some sort of hard work. How about if all of you working get replaced by a robot that can do your jobs. So whoever you work for doesn't have to wory about paying you. All they got to do is program them on what to do.
Phoenix Leo	Posted - 2003.10.06 16:40:00 - [24] Quote: Edited by: Kalhan on 06/10/2003 16:18:41 It is suppose to take time to progress. You all are lazy. How are you all suppose to get anywhere by not doing some sort of hard work. How about if all of you working get replaced by a robot that can do your jobs. So whoever you work for doesn't have to wory about paying you. All they got to do is program them on what to do. Then perhaps those poor sods, who have such boring, repetitive tasks could do something creative instead in whatever field.
Marcus Grisbius	Posted - 2003.10.06 16:41:00 - [25] I don't believe that mining macros are accepted within EULA. There have been points made about whether or not it's accelerated or not but this is how I see it. If you have a program making money for you when you are not able to play personally, you are making money at an accelerated rate. Say you put your miner out to mine for a couple hours and someone is there to pull out your ore from your can repeatedly and you go afk for hours at a time. You show up every couple hours to switch roids and then go back to whatever you do while afk. By doing this you are making money/ore faster than other people are able to. While it is ok to make money faster than other people, the way of doing so must be supported by the game mechanics, ie upgrade to a bship and miner 2's etc. Using a 3rd party program is not part of the game mechanics. Most people have things that need to get done in the real world when they get home from work or school. Whether that is homework, spending time with the wife and kids, or going to grocery store, everyone has to do things outside the game. For someone to be able to play the game and do all the other things at the same time is an accelerated rate compared to those who don't have the program and must turn the game off when they have to attend to real life. I agree that it sounds good to have the best of both worlds IC and OOC but there needs to be a separation from those who want to spend 15 hours a day on the game and those who can only spend 2 or 3 hours. I know I wish I could spend more time on the game but I can't. I don't have a problem understanding that I can't make as much money as some players who are on all the time. But I don't think that it's good for the game to have some people put a program to work for them when it's not available to all through the established game mechanics. Certainty of death... little chance of success... what are we waiting for? - Gimli, son of Gloinn
Kalhan	Posted - 2003.10.06 17:03:00 - [26] Here is a good Quote... Quote: CCP reserves the right to wipe all user accounts and or inventory of characters whenever we deem it necessary. You can find here
DrEvil	Posted - 2003.10.06 17:22:00 - [27] Edited by: DrEvil on 06/10/2003 17:23:25 Mining has to be changed. The current speed and requirements kill a person's enjoyment of this game. Seriously who really wants to waste 4 hrs of their life on mining. AFK mining is only possible in .9-1.0, and if you are clever enough, you can set up the macro to handle some of the pesky NPC spawns from .6-.8. AFK mining in 0.0 is very risky. Where the macro becomes a problem is in combat. That is why you have a blanket statement on the EULA, because the devs can not police the actions of the players on using the macro strictly for mining and not for combat. Now if CCP just made auto miners that mine and collect and haul it for you, than a ban on Macros would be approipate. The point is even the Devs dont want to mine. Seriously, the Devs should be locked up for a 4 weekends in a row and told to get a Battleship through normal game mechanics. Either accelerate the mining speeds or get in-game auto miners that do not need human intervention, but only to set it up. Idea: Expand the mining drones to full automation. But people can still blow them up so that you still need to strategies the best way to use them. Mining is the heart of the economy but at the same time, its current iteration is an enjoyment killer. I understand the fine line to make something challenging enough to reward the accomplishment, but at the same time, if it's sheer drudgery , I can find plenty of that in Real Life and not have to pay for it.
Kalhan	Posted - 2003.10.06 17:29:00 - [28] Edited by: Kalhan on 06/10/2003 17:30:10 Quote: Edited by: DrEvil on 06/10/2003 17:23:25 Mining has to be changed. The current speed and requirements kill a person's enjoyment of this game. Seriously who really wants to waste 4 hrs of their life on mining. AFK mining is only possible in .9-1.0, and if you are clever enough, you can set up the macro to handle some of the pesky NPC spawns from .6-.8. AFK mining in 0.0 is very risky. Where the macro becomes a problem is in combat. That is why you have a blanket statement on the EULA, because the devs can not police the actions of the players on using the macro strictly for mining and not for combat. Now if CCP just made auto miners that mine and collect and haul it for you, than a ban on Macros would be approipate. The point is even the Devs dont want to mine. Seriously, the Devs should be locked up for a 4 weekends in a row and told to get a Battleship through normal game mechanics. Either accelerate the mining speeds or get in-game auto miners that do not need human intervention, but only to set it up. Idea: Expand the mining drones to full automation. But people can still blow them up so that you still need to strategies the best way to use them. Mining is the heart of the economy but at the same time, its current iteration is an enjoyment killer. I understand the fine line to make something challenging enough to reward the accomplishment, but at the same time, if it's sheer drudgery , I can find plenty of that in Real Life and not have to pay for it. Or just deal with it. You can always go play another game. When you make your game you can have your players do whatever you want. Again they make the rules. And if you read my link it says... Quote: CCP reserves the right to wipe all user accounts and or inventory of characters whenever we deem it necessary. CCP reserves the right to close any user account and may do so for as long as it is deemed necessary. We reserve the right to ban any user from the game without refund or compensation.
Phoenix Leo	Posted - 2003.10.06 18:05:00 - [29] Kalhan, your scare tactics doesn't work. If you disagree you'll have to take to logic and reason or you won't add anything of value to this discussion. I've been playing for 6 months. About 90% of my ingame time has prolly gone to mining. I've done mining ops that have lasted days. I can imagine there are plenty of other players that are as bored of mining as I am, yet it is the only sensible, lowrisk way to have a steady income. I've been on the brink of leaving EVE several times, but events and people within my corp has made me stay for a little while longer. So imagine my relief, when I realize I could put a program to work doing this repetitive, mindnumbing task. If the devs tell me it's a no-no, fine, I'll cease. I do not believe they'll just shut my account down without warning though; I have not done harm to anyone in any way. Perhaps CCP already has a solution to the problem, if not there are plenty of ideas to choose from.
Galk	Posted - 2003.10.06 18:08:00 - [30] Quote: Now if CCP just made auto miners that mine and collect and haul it for you, than a ban on Macros would be approipate. lols Personaly i don't have a problem sitting and watching the tv while mining. In fact thats why i don't stop mining. I don't find it boring in the slightest:) ------------------------ ---- Little wonder why people were, what this person was telling my friends: http://galk.50megs.com/logs/
Steini OFSI	Posted - 2003.10.06 18:20:00 - [31] Macros are bad, the EULA might be clearer, there will always be players who cheat. These are facts. Some try to be honest and really do spend a whole weekend mining with eve in windowed mode and watching movies and in between do move the ore from it's cargo to a container (on 1-7 minutes basis) and switch roid when needed. This is boring but beats cheating, macroing, whatever. I do not support macroing in any way (get a timer to allert you every 5 minutes when your cargo hold gets to the brink of beeing full before the lazers switch of). My point is that only minimal effort just a slight change in the EULA text could actually deal with this issue and stop the debate about it and it shouldn't be so difficult to do I think. Anyway stop macroing, if you were meant to be able to mine away from your computer they would have put it in the game.
Kalhan	Posted - 2003.10.06 18:33:00 - [32] Edited by: Kalhan on 06/10/2003 18:33:57 Quote: Kalhan, your scare tactics doesn't work. If you disagree you'll have to take to logic and reason or you won't add anything of value to this discussion. Scare tactics??? Tring to read your quote here is hard. Looks like you wrote it fast.(i'm not going to go through and correct your grammer, english may not be your first language and I don't wan to insult you) I believe every thing quoted was valuable to the discussion. If I were one of the Devs, I would feel cheated that players decided to go and use third party software that wasn't met to be used, just because people think its boring. Perhaps you don't understand becuase you never created anything before. I don't think they will just bann you without warning you either. However, if they do, you would not have any right to come out complaining about it on the forums or harrassing them with e-mails. If you do get banned without a warning, the rules you click except on everyday say they can. That is what I was tring to point out. If you were banned today without warning what would you do? That is the risk you take. Myself and many others think the rules are very clear, ingornance is no excuss, how do they know your not just saying "I didn't understand what you met" just to get away with it. If they allowed macros, hell yea I would use them. But I believe the rules are clear. If anything you have not provided any reason other then "I don't like the way they made the game" to use them. They do speed up "normal" gameplay. I am at work and "normally" I would be on if I wasn't. Using macros so you could play while gone or away. Takes away from the spirit of the game, and cheapens a program that took them along time to create.
Bashar	Posted - 2003.10.06 18:38:00 - [33] I have a macro request. My wrist hurts from to much clicking and dragging. Would it be possible for someone to make and distribute a macro that does this? I would gladly pay ISK for it, and champion the effort to get it "Dev Approved" Open hangar, activate macro: Macro sorts items by type, then proceeds to pick up the first item and drag drop it onto the second item. This will stack all the unstacked loot I bring home and save my wrist the pain of stacking endless quantities of ore/minerals/loot/ It would be a nice pack that included a fast way to stack items and another one to repackage all items in hangar would also be most welcome. regards, Bashar Miles Teg Shop Smart, Shop BasharMart!
Reverend Mother	Posted - 2003.10.06 19:11:00 - [34] if its not a fun activity...its ok to cheat
DrEvil	Posted - 2003.10.06 19:19:00 - [35] Edited by: DrEvil on 06/10/2003 19:54:39 What is really wrong with this picture? Everyone says, "I do something else while mining." Guess what, I dont want to do anything else when I am playing a game. I want to be fully in the game requiring all my attention and intelligence. When people have to do "other activities" while playing a game, uhmmm, there's something wrong. *Bashar>> There is a stack all command on right click. AS to Bashars request, there are other time wasting steps the devs have not eliminated in UI. 1. How about a right click unfit. Why is it necessary to drag it off. 2. Save fittings load out. (Pain to switch between mining and combat loadouts) 3. Packaging 4. Repairing Drones 5. Refine All (the right click was nice, but this still could be improved) 6. Toggle between active targets (tab maybe) 7. Reloading (no hot key, zzzz) When you have lots of mid slots with multiple targets you have to do things to, having than to switch to high slot and manually reloading is bad. 8. Clearing waypoints not in your People Places bookmarks 9. Loggin In
Phoenix Leo	Posted - 2003.10.06 19:37:00 - [36] So the level is now down to spelling and grammar, eh? You are quite right, english is not my first language. I do find it funny that you didn't double check your spelling before posting, though. About my creativity: I'm an engineer working with R&D, so I am creating things every day. To get back to the subject: Many things in EVE are done in a way not originally intended by the devs. Several things have been changed to adapt to the players wishes. CCP wants to keep its customers happy, because happy customers stay and pay. I don't believe mining was intended to take such a dominant role in the game as it has. Mining is boring. I am not the only one who feel that way. Perhaps my usage of a macro is taking it too far, but it is a symptom of the problem and not the root of it. If we do not dissent, no improvement will be made. In the real world civil disobedience often affect decisionmakers more than whiners. Those who do not voice any opinions at all have no effect.
Shani	Posted - 2003.10.06 19:53:00 - [37] Phoenix Leo, you should just go on the chaos server and join fight club where you will have a 100% guaranteed funtastic time :) absolutely no challenge involved (except the fighting) and no sense of loss because everything is free. fun fun fun...what you waiting for...fun awaits you
Phoenix Leo	Posted - 2003.10.06 20:02:00 - [38] Lol, that does sound like fun. Mining is about as challenging as peeling potatoes..
Archemedes	Posted - 2003.10.06 21:24:00 - [39] Quote: I have a macro request. My wrist hurts from to much clicking and dragging. Would it be possible for someone to make and distribute a macro that does this? I would gladly pay ISK for it, and champion the effort to get it "Dev Approved" Open hangar, activate macro: Macro sorts items by type, then proceeds to pick up the first item and drag drop it onto the second item. This will stack all the unstacked loot I bring home and save my wrist the pain of stacking endless quantities of ore/minerals/loot/ It would be a nice pack that included a fast way to stack items and another one to repackage all items in hangar would also be most welcome. Right-click an empty area of the hangar / cargo bay and select "stack all" from the menu...
Relentless	Posted - 2003.10.06 21:30:00 - [40] Quote: Right-click an empty area of the hangar / cargo bay and select "stack all" from the menu... Son of a b****. Thanx Archemedes. I can't believe I've been doing it manually all this time...
Bashar	Posted - 2003.10.06 22:23:00 - [41] Edited by: Bashar on 06/10/2003 22:26:32 You are my hero Arch! When did they add that? Never noticed before. Edit Opps sorry Arch you have to be my hero tomorrow instead, on second glance I realized DrEvil pointed out the right click thing a few minutes before you did regards, Bashar Miles Teg Shop Smart, Shop BasharMart!
DAViiD	Posted - 2003.10.06 22:53:00 - [42] Hiyas all! I can only say i don't agree on macro useing, if you wanna AFK mine, go to 0.9-1.0 with a hauler. But is it actually possible for the devs to track down ppl who use macros ? I can't really imagine how .. ? Regards, D. Lokan > This is more boring as listening to golf on radio!
DREAMWORKS	Posted - 2003.10.07 00:24:00 - [43] - clicks on Forum basher macro v7.4324 - - clicks on Anti Pirate macro v3.6 - - clicks on Train skills macro v8.3 - - clicks on chat on local v2.5 - - clicks on talk to corp v5.3 - - clicks on spam corp with excesive ammount of emails with subject: PAY YOUR TAXES! v6.5 - goes to bed, __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html
Bilabong	Posted - 2003.10.07 10:47:00 - [44] So still the confusion lumes....Could a dev plz post on this and tell us in no uncertain terms wether or no macros are allowed? (well its easier than installing a search util to allow us to fing the previous posts!)
ELLI	Posted - 2003.10.07 18:46:00 - [45] Kahlan>>> Your accelrated rate agruemnet is flawed. 1. macros do not accelerate the speed with which you can mine and haul. Only way to do that is to hack the server. 2. they cant tell the difference if its a person or a macro. I could get my brother and girlfriend to do it for 4 hours ea. Tell them to click and drag every minute from this can to that can. I don't have to be around. I could go play another game. The problem is not in mining, its in combat or to use the macro for illegal purposes, ie. duping. That is why they dont like macros. Also your insistance that the devs know best is also naive. They dont, thats why they take feedback to improve the game. And what all this mining macro clearly demonstrates is that this part of the game needs improvement.
Rohann	Posted - 2003.10.07 19:51:00 - [46] OMFG!?!?!?!? What is this CLINTON SPEAK? Quote: I did not inhale, nor did i press alt + a to start my macro at normal speed
PandaBoy	Posted - 2003.10.07 21:57:00 - [47] Quote: Arnold Schwarzenegger Quote: I Inhaled.
Roast Bifcurtains	Posted - 2007.09.19 13:39:00 - [48] Originally by: Phoenix Leo Quote: Still want to know if I'm right on this matter. I agree. I have been using a macro, basically just recorded myself doing a mining run and then set it to repeat ad nauseum. I shall not mine, mining is the mindkiller. To answer the original post: 1. Download Macro Express(30-day demo) from tucows. 2. Start EVE in windowed mode. 3. Record yourself doing a mining run. 4. Add repeat commands to the script. 5. Activate macro. 6. Go to bed, go to work or go and get drunk. Actually between 4 and 5 should be check with CCP so you don't get your account shut down. I necro'd this up from 2003! Notice the lack of dev response. Macro Express FTW? ================================================ Endless Love
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2007.09.19 13:59:00 - [49] Originally by: Roast Bifcurtains I agree. I have been using a macro, basically just recorded myself doing a mining run and then set it to repeat ad nauseum. I shall not mine, mining is the mindkiller. To answer the original post: 1. Download Macro Express(30-day demo) from tucows. 2. Start EVE in windowed mode. 3. Record yourself doing a mining run. 4. Add repeat commands to the script. 5. Activate macro. 6. Go to bed, go to work or go and get drunk. Actually between 4 and 5 should be check with CCP so you don't get your account shut down. would use again, service +++ ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
RaTTuS BIG Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.09.19 14:03:00 - [50] Necro FTL macros are not allowed end of commemt -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve & RaTTuS Home
Roast Bifcurtains	Posted - 2007.09.19 14:45:00 - [51] Originally by: RaTTuS Necro FTL macros are not allowed end of commemt Booooooo! ================================================ Endless Love
Ki Tarra Caldari Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.09.19 16:06:00 - [52] Necro bad mmkay! ************************** Ki Tech Industries - Bond Offer
Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.19 16:09:00 - [53] excellent post by the OP. all EULAs aside, CCP isnt doing diddly squat about this. the best they do is: petition them, adding more pressure to an already swamped system. its about time something changed. anyone read the tribune article? 20% of eve is macro alt. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Morrow Disca Macrocosm Advanced Industries	Posted - 2007.09.19 16:16:00 - [54] Originally by: Cornucopian ...anyone read the tribune article? 20% of eve is macro alt. Do you have a link?
Hilabana Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.09.19 16:21:00 - [55] Look at how long Macro miners have been around and yet they still have not been stop ! They now have web sites selling the program to macro mine in eve they have youtube video's telling what they do and what people are getting the ISK ! Much of the ISK is going to GTC people that sells the GTC ingame from low sec players so they do not have to play as long as the high sec players ! I have been told ingame by players that sell GTC that prob how the players get all the ISK they pay them. Yet it is still going on as i start to tell ccp about this i get muted !
Maenia Gracilis	Posted - 2007.09.19 16:23:00 - [56] Originally by: Veruna Caseti Quote: this wouldn't be such a flippin problem if it wasn't so dammed hard to make enuff isk to get the equip you want / need. It also wouldn't be a problem if mining wasn't so bloody boring that you were desperate for a way to do it without actually requiring your presence. But, as it stands mining is boring and macros are illegal - so it's risk boredom, risk banning, or risk not having enough money to replace your ship next time it gets blown up. Decisions, decsisions. Necrophilia or not this is still as valid as ever. bzzz-bzzzz-bzzz grinding roids is hateful boredom to the power of infinity squared. Ideally mining should work kinda like skills do - buy xyzroid mining squad, press the 'mine-haul-sell' button, go away and do some manly pew-pew stuff, get some replacement gear when your wallet lights up.... Ah well
Ather Ialeas Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.09.19 16:23:00 - [57] Edited by: Ather Ialeas on 19/09/2007 16:23:58 Edited by: Ather Ialeas on 19/09/2007 16:23:26 Originally by: RaTTuS Necro FTL macros are not allowed end of commemt Are you sure? There's nothing about it in EULA! -
Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.19 16:30:00 - [58] Edited by: Cornucopian on 19/09/2007 16:31:02 Originally by: Morrow Disca Originally by: Cornucopian ...anyone read the tribune article? 20% of eve is macro alt. Do you have a link? tribune they dont say anything about statistics but the current situation is extremely sad. CCP does nothing. a direct quote 'You canÆt even kill them all as there are thousands of them' ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
GREML0CK	Posted - 2007.09.19 16:44:00 - [59] dont take away the ice mining macro players. making tons of isk on them :) kill-loot- sell ice harvys II's and usally some cargo expanders :) + they loose the mac/hulk also :) come to the ice belts you macros. i will watch over your stuff :)
Lurtz Caldari Gunrunners and Gamblers	Posted - 2007.09.19 16:57:00 - [60] Macro is bad.... Necro is almost as bad..... IBTL
Hilabana Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.09.19 17:05:00 - [61] It is getting close to draw a line in space and make a stand to Stop the MACRO miner if CCP can no longer find a way to take this problem in hand it may soon be up to all the players to take sides and fight for the good of ALL ! Be it ore thief , Pirates or others if we do not take this stand now and do what is right what will happen to eve in the long run? we can see it going down hill as it is with all the macro players. Not only macro miners but macro ratters yes macro ratting ! And CCP knows they have to if the players know and so many others on the internet.
Taran Summers The Merovingians	Posted - 2007.09.19 17:12:00 - [62] Originally by: Lurtz Macro is bad.... Necro is almost as bad..... IBTL What if its an automated poster. A macro necroer!
Plundaar	Posted - 2007.09.19 17:15:00 - [63] Dear lord... the arguements are on all sides... Alright, time to put in two tenths of an isk. 1: Mining is dull 2: People would rather do other things 3: Something needs to be done, nobody agrees what Alright... lets try this Drone Mining container. discuss
Frash Gallente Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.09.19 17:30:00 - [64] Originally by: Veruna Caseti Sorry, no, you're all wrong. According to the EULA and the Developer's who have posted in previous posts on this subject ALL FORMS OF MACROS are illegal and a bannable offense. Even Macros recorded at "normal human speed" help you gain resources at an "accelerated" rate compared with NORMAL GAMEPLAY - because they allow you to devote more time than you would during normal gameplay. Otherwise, why else would you be using a macro? How many hours would you be willing to spend mining without said macro? 4? 5? 8? How many could you spend WITH it? 8? 10? 16? Just because the macro moves "at the speed of a human" doesn't mean you will be gaining resources at a rate consistent with normal gameplay. It has been stated before by players and developers. ALL MACROS are a violation of the EULA and you will face a ban if you are caught using one. What about the G15 keyboard? Anyone have any hard info with the macro keys usable with the keyboard? Don't like EVE-Radio.com? Try ETN.FM or Afterhoursdjs.com
Motokko Minmatar	Posted - 2007.09.19 17:39:00 - [65] Edited by: Motokko on 19/09/2007 17:41:17 I read the post by that guy whi says he mines for 4-5 hours straight whilst watching movies, he just drags the ore every few minutes without paying much attention. This got me thinking. I mean he's not really playing the game is he, so is it really any different to having a macro doing the ore dragging? Just where do people draw the line at what is acceptable and not acceptable? Please select and post a number from the list below for where you think the described activity starts to become non acceptable: 1) I devote my whole attention to the game whilst mining. 2) I occationaly glance at the screen in order to drag ore whilst doing something else outside of the game. 3) I've drawn crosshairs on my table to line the mouse up to so I know where to move and click the mouse in order to drag my ore every few minutes without needing to have the game displaying on the monitor. 4) I've set up a complex system of pulleys attached to a motor which moves my arm and pushes my fingers every few minutes in the precise motion needed to drag my ore. 5) I've attached wheels and a motor to my mouse so that the mouse performs the motions needed to drag the ore by itself every few minutes whilst I rest my hand on the mouse. 6) I've attached wheels and a motor to my mouse so that the mouse performs the motions needed to drag the ore by itself every few minutes whilst my hand isn't touching the mouse. 7) Instead of using complex ways to avoid doing this repetative task I run a program which simulates mouse movements in software in order to drag my ore. Vote now.
minerdave Gallente Ma-Ven Industries Phobos Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.19 17:40:00 - [66] heres how you get a macro: 1: go to zero sec space in a ship fitted with smartbombs 2: look for a player 3: attack whilst shouting "Leroy Jenkins!!" in Local 4: quit eve and delete chars 5: turn off PC then put a magnet next to the hard drive or you can simply not use a macros and mine THE PROPER WAY there are ways to pass time whilst mining set up a console game and play that, watch Tv or a movie,listen to the radio, chat to corp mates if there is any, or even read a book.
Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.19 17:48:00 - [67] Originally by: Hilabana It is getting close to draw a line in space and make a stand to Stop the MACRO miner if CCP can no longer find a way to take this problem in hand it may soon be up to all the players to take sides and fight for the good of ALL ! Be it ore thief , Pirates or others if we do not take this stand now and do what is right what will happen to eve in the long run? we can see it going down hill as it is with all the macro players. Not only macro miners but macro ratters yes macro ratting ! And CCP knows they have to if the players know and so many others on the internet. read the tribune article, you cant kill them all because there are thousands. CCP is the only one who can fix this and they aint even trying. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Fuk Mi	Posted - 2007.09.20 15:42:00 - [68] Edited by: Fuk Mi on 20/09/2007 15:42:45 Originally by: Cornucopian Originally by: Hilabana It is getting close to draw a line in space and make a stand to Stop the MACRO miner if CCP can no longer find a way to take this problem in hand it may soon be up to all the players to take sides and fight for the good of ALL ! Be it ore thief , Pirates or others if we do not take this stand now and do what is right what will happen to eve in the long run? we can see it going down hill as it is with all the macro players. Not only macro miners but macro ratters yes macro ratting ! And CCP knows they have to if the players know and so many others on the internet. read the tribune article, you cant kill them all because there are thousands. CCP is the only one who can fix this and they aint even trying. Wow not locked yet..... I knew ISD was re-aligning but didn't realized Mods were in this short supply!
Ratridevi	Posted - 2007.09.20 15:45:00 - [69] Flame on guys !!
RaTTuS BIG Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.09.20 15:52:00 - [70] Originally by: Ather Ialeas Edited by: Ather Ialeas on 19/09/2007 16:23:58 Edited by: Ather Ialeas on 19/09/2007 16:23:26 Originally by: RaTTuS Necro FTL macros are not allowed end of commemt Are you sure? There's nothing about it in EULA! 7. CONDUCT ... 3. You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game. 4 & 5 are also intersting -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve & RaTTuS Home
Lurtz Caldari Gunrunners and Gamblers	Posted - 2007.09.20 15:56:00 - [71] Originally by: RaTTuS Originally by: Ather Ialeas Edited by: Ather Ialeas on 19/09/2007 16:23:58 Edited by: Ather Ialeas on 19/09/2007 16:23:26 Originally by: RaTTuS Necro FTL macros are not allowed end of commemt Are you sure? There's nothing about it in EULA! 7. CONDUCT ... 3. You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game. 4 & 5 are also intersting Do you realize you are commenting on something written 4 years ago by a player probably long gone?
Firkragg Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.09.20 16:02:00 - [72] Originally by: Steini OFSI Quote: (3) You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.¥ There is a clause here, it only states at accelerated rate, so if you would modify it with a variable timer of calculated disstoriention of a human playing ability it is not forbidden right Anyway it's cheating and unfair so don't do it. I would make a hell of a laywer This would only hold true if you were sat at the computer the entire time. As soon as you leave the computer just leaving the macro running your gaining items at an accelerated rate compared to how you normally would since normally you not being at the machine would slow you down. Therfore you are breaking the rules.
H'attack	Posted - 2007.09.20 16:06:00 - [73] OMG WTF NECRO !!
Cypherous Minmatar Liberty Rogues	Posted - 2007.09.20 16:08:00 - [74] Originally by: Frash Originally by: Veruna Caseti Sorry, no, you're all wrong. According to the EULA and the Developer's who have posted in previous posts on this subject ALL FORMS OF MACROS are illegal and a bannable offense. Even Macros recorded at "normal human speed" help you gain resources at an "accelerated" rate compared with NORMAL GAMEPLAY - because they allow you to devote more time than you would during normal gameplay. Otherwise, why else would you be using a macro? How many hours would you be willing to spend mining without said macro? 4? 5? 8? How many could you spend WITH it? 8? 10? 16? Just because the macro moves "at the speed of a human" doesn't mean you will be gaining resources at a rate consistent with normal gameplay. It has been stated before by players and developers. ALL MACROS are a violation of the EULA and you will face a ban if you are caught using one. What about the G15 keyboard? Anyone have any hard info with the macro keys usable with the keyboard? G15 is allowed as all it does is store the keyboard keys you press F1-F8 for example and allows them to be pressed altogether at the press of a button, it cannot mine for you it cannot rat for you it cannot make you isk without you being at the keyboard so its fine :) --------- Liberty Rogues Website
Gorefacer Caldari Resurrection	Posted - 2007.09.20 16:13:00 - [75] Originally by: Phoenix Leo Kalhan, your scare tactics doesn't work. If you disagree you'll have to take to logic and reason or you won't add anything of value to this discussion. I've been playing for 6 months. About 90% of my ingame time has prolly gone to mining. I've done mining ops that have lasted days. I can imagine there are plenty of other players that are as bored of mining as I am, yet it is the only sensible, lowrisk way to have a steady income. I've been on the brink of leaving EVE several times, but events and people within my corp has made me stay for a little while longer. So imagine my relief, when I realize I could put a program to work doing this repetitive, mindnumbing task. If the devs tell me it's a no-no, fine, I'll cease. I do not believe they'll just shut my account down without warning though; I have not done harm to anyone in any way. Perhaps CCP already has a solution to the problem, if not there are plenty of ideas to choose from. I've mined maybe a total profit of under 5mil ISK. Total mining time spent = 3hrs? Total current assets + liquid ISK = 2.5bil It is entirely possible to never mine in this game at all and make all the ISK you want. Making ISK while not playing the game is unfair to others that don't use these methods. Most MMOs I've played have not allowed this because an even playing field is crucial to any online game. "You can't reason someone out of a belief they haven't reasoned themselves into" - Prometheus
Gorefacer Caldari Resurrection	Posted - 2007.09.20 16:24:00 - [76] Originally by: Lurtz Originally by: RaTTuS Originally by: Ather Ialeas Edited by: Ather Ialeas on 19/09/2007 16:23:58 Edited by: Ather Ialeas on 19/09/2007 16:23:26 Originally by: RaTTuS Necro FTL macros are not allowed end of commemt Are you sure? There's nothing about it in EULA! 7. CONDUCT ... 3. You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game. 4 & 5 are also intersting Do you realize you are commenting on something written 4 years ago by a player probably long gone? It sounds like the issue is still active and a valid discussion. Much more so than other necros I've seen. "You can't reason someone out of a belief they haven't reasoned themselves into" - Prometheus
Rhaegor Stormborn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.09.20 17:18:00 - [77] Holy crap I read the first two pages because I thought this was a new thread. Rhaegor Stormborn Fleet Admiral - Pestilent Industries Amalgamated [PIA] Recruitment Thread
Roger Welco Caldari WhiteGlaze Interstellar Inc.	Posted - 2007.09.20 17:30:00 - [78] Edited by: Roger Welco on 20/09/2007 17:31:40 Originally by: Veruna Caseti Sorry, no, you're all wrong. According to the EULA and the Developer's who have posted in previous posts on this subject ALL FORMS OF MACROS are illegal and a bannable offense. Even Macros recorded at "normal human speed" help you gain resources at an "accelerated" rate compared with NORMAL GAMEPLAY - because they allow you to devote more time than you would during normal gameplay. Otherwise, why else would you be using a macro? How many hours would you be willing to spend mining without said macro? 4? 5? 8? How many could you spend WITH it? 8? 10? 16? Just because the macro moves "at the speed of a human" doesn't mean you will be gaining resources at a rate consistent with normal gameplay. It has been stated before by players and developers. ALL MACROS are a violation of the EULA and you will face a ban if you are caught using one. To me it does not appear to make a differnce, all the macro miners i have reported to CCP (even the ones who admit it in chat) CCP does nothing about. They are still playing and they are still mining 23/7.(with 5 mining ships, a booster ship and haulers at that ) So it looks like they enforce the parts of the EULA, that suit them. And keep the monthly fee for the macros. Especially as most of the macros are using at the very least 6 accounts at once when they do it.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.09.20 17:40:00 - [79] Zombies ate my neighbors. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Grawshellar	Posted - 2007.09.20 17:41:00 - [80] Necro'd topic, but good stuff nevertheless. Current EULA statement on macros: "You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game." Doesn't look like it was ever modified. So that means attended macro'ing is ok eh? Maybe that explains why the macrominers don't get banned, they have someone watching the keyboard :P
Tenerhaddi Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2007.09.20 17:53:00 - [81] Macro bad! I sick of looking for good ore because of macros! Its not fair and dont like it then deal with it or leave end of mining boring fine do something else! When i mine i ***** the fourms and do others thing and play another game on another computer while my maine runs 3 accounts but I still there draging the dam veld across :/ ---------------- http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1771556
Chainsaw Plankton	Posted - 2007.09.20 18:14:00 - [82] Originally by: Steini OFSI Quote: (3) You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.¥ There is a clause here, it only states at accelerated rate, so if you would modify it with a variable timer of calculated disstoriention of a human playing ability it is not forbidden right Anyway it's cheating and unfair so don't do it. I would make a hell of a laywer macro mining 23/7 is an accelerated rate. people cant play 23/7.... and if you can you are missing out on a lot in life.
Zaqar	Posted - 2007.09.20 18:38:00 - [83] nerf necro mining!
JamnOne Amarr	Posted - 2007.09.20 18:55:00 - [84] Originally by: H'attack OMG WTF NECRO !! Ok - noob question...what is "NECRO"? ________________________ Originally by: CCP Prism X Hah! Vengeance is sweet!
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2007.09.20 19:58:00 - [85] Necro mining is when someone has an army of undead piloting the mining barges for them.....

Kaemonn Forum Moderator	Posted - 2007.09.20 20:24:00 - [86] Necroing is bad m'kay. forum rules \| [email protected]\| Eve-CCG Originally by: kieron: off duty You dont have to swallow!


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