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Dragodrone	Posted - 2003.10.06 09:09:00 - [1] How do i set them up?
Nicholas Marshal	Posted - 2003.10.06 09:10:00 - [2] To set up a macro, you must visit FD-MLJ and seek the assistance of the first vessels you see there. They should be able to give you what you want.
Fausto	Posted - 2003.10.06 09:30:00 - [3] And for your brilliant advice you get 1,000,000 mega waiting for you ate New Caldari Sun. Just direct your ship towards the star, start your engines and go to bed ______ <brainpodder>
edudtset	Posted - 2003.10.06 11:16:00 - [4] RTFM?
Zvavos d'long	Posted - 2003.10.06 11:22:00 - [5] I would read the EULA before seting up any macros.
Dragodrone	Posted - 2003.10.06 12:11:00 - [6] I'm a bit curious about the answers... I'm thought about posts like "AFK mining with macros"... I was just wondering if it's possible and how it's done, nothing else Maybe it's the language..
Riana Tabost	Posted - 2003.10.06 12:53:00 - [7] Quote: I'm a bit curious about the answers... I'm thought about posts like "AFK mining with macros"... I was just wondering if it's possible and how it's done, nothing else Maybe it's the language.. No, really, read the EULA. EULA = End User License Agreement. It is the agreement you click "Accept" to every time you play. Think about the affects of everybody being able to macro-mine. Do you really think there would be any ore left anywhere? __________________________________________________________________________ May I recommend a Cybernetic Subprocessor?.. That's an intelligence implant, sweetheart. Ideas Lab - Reprocessing
Dragodrone	Posted - 2003.10.06 13:01:00 - [8] Thanks for your answer! I have read the EULA, but i think i passed some important paragraphs.. Anyway, thanks ----- THE END ----
edudtset	Posted - 2003.10.06 13:11:00 - [9] Edited by: edudtset on 06/10/2003 13:11:58 Quote: 7. CONDUCTØ Ø A. Specifically Restricted ConductØ Ø Your continued access to the System and license to play the Game is subject to proper conduct. Without limiting CCP's rights to control the Game environment, and the conduct of the players within that environment, CCP prohibits the following practices that CCP has determined detract from the overall user experience of the users playing the Game:Ø Ø (1) You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System.Ø Ø (2) You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.Ø Ø (3) You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.Ø Ø (4) You may not use the Software, or any information accessible through the System, to bypass the System login architecture or create or provide any other means through which the System may be accessed and/or the Game may be played by others, as, for example, through server emulators.Ø Ø (5) You may not engage in any conduct that results in an Account containing items, objects, currency, character attributes, rank, or status that are inappropriate for the level or rank of the character contained in the Account, including without limitation arranging, making or accepting transfers of items to a character without adequate consideration, thereby augmenting or aggregating items in an Account and increasing its value for an Account sale.Ø ================================================ I just find laughable that, despite all the big talk, they end their "careers" in such a way. oO
Steini OFSI	Posted - 2003.10.06 13:39:00 - [10] Quote: (3) You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.Ø There is a clause here, it only states at accelerated rate, so if you would modify it with a variable timer of calculated disstoriention of a human playing ability it is not forbidden right Anyway it's cheating and unfair so don't do it. I would make a hell of a laywer
Steini OFSI	Posted - 2003.10.06 14:00:00 - [11] Still want to know if I'm right on this matter.
Kushy	Posted - 2003.10.06 14:21:00 - [12] you're right. a macro operating at "normal human speed" would be perfectly legal according to EVE's EULA.
Phoenix Leo	Posted - 2003.10.06 14:26:00 - [13] Quote: Still want to know if I'm right on this matter. I agree. I have been using a macro, basically just recorded myself doing a mining run and then set it to repeat ad nauseum. I shall not mine, mining is the mindkiller. To answer the original post: 1. Download Macro Express(30-day demo) from tucows. 2. Start EVE in windowed mode. 3. Record yourself doing a mining run. 4. Add repeat commands to the script. 5. Activate macro. 6. Go to bed, go to work or go and get drunk. Actually between 4 and 5 should be check with CCP so you don't get your account shut down.
Steini OFSI	Posted - 2003.10.06 14:32:00 - [14] All you cheaters out there, I want 10% of your cheating income as your laywer. /emotes feels like a laywer defending criminals. I have no conscience
Bilabong	Posted - 2003.10.06 14:46:00 - [15] So whats the Dev's opinion on this then???? Plz post and confirm that Macro Mining is cheating and will result in your account being closed....or not. Put an end to this hidious craze in macro mining. Death to the cheaters
Cptn Stardust	Posted - 2003.10.06 14:55:00 - [16] To answer the original post: 1. Download Macro Express(30-day demo) from tucows. 2. Start EVE in windowed mode. 3. Record yourself doing a mining run. 4. Add repeat commands to the script. 5. Activate macro. 5a Your ship get's rammed a very large distance away from asteroid belt, and your macro script has a heart attack 6. Go to bed, go to work or go and get drunk.
Scragg	Posted - 2003.10.06 15:06:00 - [17] Edited by: Scragg on 06/10/2003 15:09:06 This is kind of an ongoing debate. Some people say it's fine to macro mine as long as you are not doing it in a way that makes it any quicker then someone doing it manually. Other people say all macros are bad juju. CCP's bad... they should not have made the Eula quite so ambiguous on that point. To my knowledge CCP has yet to clarify their stance on the use of a macro program that do not interface directly with the Eve client. Personally I can't see why CCP would give a rip if you used a program to emulate keyboard and mouse clicks and drags as long as you arenÆt doing anything any quicker than someone can do by hand. That said I'm sure other people have other opinions. I believe CCP has other more pressing issues to worry about like duping and exploiting at the moment. When they get a handle on that then they can address this issue. Fire your lawyer.... he should be telling you not to admit doing this or giving others instrucitons on how to do it until CCP clarifies their stance on the issue. But.. since this thread has not been locked or deleted you could take that as tacid aproval to the effect that it is permitted. Scragg, Tyrell Corporation Vice-Director Military Operations
Deadmetal	Posted - 2003.10.06 15:50:00 - [18] the EULA says it all... "you cannot use to gain at an ACCELERATED pace" that would mean that recording a normal mining session and replaying it is okie dokey. and short of running scams on other players afk mining is about the only way to get enuff isk to compete with the BIG boyz out there. I'm not paying X dollars a month to sit and listen to my mining lasers grind away at a roid. "Human Nature - If someone put a big red button in a remote mountain cave with a sign on it 'End of the world button!! Do not push!!.. the paint wouldn't have a chance to dry."
Veruna Caseti	Posted - 2003.10.06 16:00:00 - [19] Sorry, no, you're all wrong. According to the EULA and the Developer's who have posted in previous posts on this subject ALL FORMS OF MACROS are illegal and a bannable offense. Even Macros recorded at "normal human speed" help you gain resources at an "accelerated" rate compared with NORMAL GAMEPLAY - because they allow you to devote more time than you would during normal gameplay. Otherwise, why else would you be using a macro? How many hours would you be willing to spend mining without said macro? 4? 5? 8? How many could you spend WITH it? 8? 10? 16? Just because the macro moves "at the speed of a human" doesn't mean you will be gaining resources at a rate consistent with normal gameplay. It has been stated before by players and developers. ALL MACROS are a violation of the EULA and you will face a ban if you are caught using one. Veruna Caseti Ishukone
Deadmetal	Posted - 2003.10.06 16:11:00 - [20] good point.. unfortunately the EULA is rather fuzzy and open to interpetation. Ah well.... this wouldn't be such a flippin problem if it wasn't so dammed hard to make enuff isk to get the equip you want / need. As I've noted before.. it's more like work than real work to get anywhere. Oh well.... "Human Nature - If someone put a big red button in a remote mountain cave with a sign on it 'End of the world button!! Do not push!!.. the paint wouldn't have a chance to dry."
Kalhan	Posted - 2003.10.06 16:12:00 - [21] Edited by: Kalhan on 06/10/2003 16:14:19 Quote: You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play I Believe you have all misread the rule. "status at an accelerated rate" is separate. Maybe they should put it like this. You may not use... Macros other stored rapid keystrokes other patterns of play That facilitate.... acquisition of items currency objects character attributes rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. This line "when compared with ordinary Game play" is the biggest one. "Ordinary Game play", meaning not using another program to play the game. Think of it from a programers point of view. They didn't create the game to be played by other programs. I have played lots of Multiplayer online games and they all say have a rule like this in them. They made the game. They make the rules. You should have the rules clearified if you don't understand before. Doing something even close to what is writen. From what I have read in the Dev chats and other places Phoenix Leo and other in this thread will be warned if not banned right away for using and kind of macro.
Veruna Caseti	Posted - 2003.10.06 16:13:00 - [22] Quote: this wouldn't be such a flippin problem if it wasn't so dammed hard to make enuff isk to get the equip you want / need. It also wouldn't be a problem if mining wasn't so bloody boring that you were desperate for a way to do it without actually requiring your presence. But, as it stands mining is boring and macros are illegal - so it's risk boredom, risk banning, or risk not having enough money to replace your ship next time it gets blown up. Decisions, decsisions. Veruna Caseti Ishukone
Kalhan	Posted - 2003.10.06 16:18:00 - [23] Edited by: Kalhan on 06/10/2003 16:18:41 It is suppose to take time to progress. You all are lazy. How are you all suppose to get anywhere by not doing some sort of hard work. How about if all of you working get replaced by a robot that can do your jobs. So whoever you work for doesn't have to wory about paying you. All they got to do is program them on what to do.
Phoenix Leo	Posted - 2003.10.06 16:40:00 - [24] Quote: Edited by: Kalhan on 06/10/2003 16:18:41 It is suppose to take time to progress. You all are lazy. How are you all suppose to get anywhere by not doing some sort of hard work. How about if all of you working get replaced by a robot that can do your jobs. So whoever you work for doesn't have to wory about paying you. All they got to do is program them on what to do. Then perhaps those poor sods, who have such boring, repetitive tasks could do something creative instead in whatever field.
Marcus Grisbius	Posted - 2003.10.06 16:41:00 - [25] I don't believe that mining macros are accepted within EULA. There have been points made about whether or not it's accelerated or not but this is how I see it. If you have a program making money for you when you are not able to play personally, you are making money at an accelerated rate. Say you put your miner out to mine for a couple hours and someone is there to pull out your ore from your can repeatedly and you go afk for hours at a time. You show up every couple hours to switch roids and then go back to whatever you do while afk. By doing this you are making money/ore faster than other people are able to. While it is ok to make money faster than other people, the way of doing so must be supported by the game mechanics, ie upgrade to a bship and miner 2's etc. Using a 3rd party program is not part of the game mechanics. Most people have things that need to get done in the real world when they get home from work or school. Whether that is homework, spending time with the wife and kids, or going to grocery store, everyone has to do things outside the game. For someone to be able to play the game and do all the other things at the same time is an accelerated rate compared to those who don't have the program and must turn the game off when they have to attend to real life. I agree that it sounds good to have the best of both worlds IC and OOC but there needs to be a separation from those who want to spend 15 hours a day on the game and those who can only spend 2 or 3 hours. I know I wish I could spend more time on the game but I can't. I don't have a problem understanding that I can't make as much money as some players who are on all the time. But I don't think that it's good for the game to have some people put a program to work for them when it's not available to all through the established game mechanics. Certainty of death... little chance of success... what are we waiting for? - Gimli, son of Gloinn
Kalhan	Posted - 2003.10.06 17:03:00 - [26] Here is a good Quote... Quote: CCP reserves the right to wipe all user accounts and or inventory of characters whenever we deem it necessary. You can find here
DrEvil	Posted - 2003.10.06 17:22:00 - [27] Edited by: DrEvil on 06/10/2003 17:23:25 Mining has to be changed. The current speed and requirements kill a person's enjoyment of this game. Seriously who really wants to waste 4 hrs of their life on mining. AFK mining is only possible in .9-1.0, and if you are clever enough, you can set up the macro to handle some of the pesky NPC spawns from .6-.8. AFK mining in 0.0 is very risky. Where the macro becomes a problem is in combat. That is why you have a blanket statement on the EULA, because the devs can not police the actions of the players on using the macro strictly for mining and not for combat. Now if CCP just made auto miners that mine and collect and haul it for you, than a ban on Macros would be approipate. The point is even the Devs dont want to mine. Seriously, the Devs should be locked up for a 4 weekends in a row and told to get a Battleship through normal game mechanics. Either accelerate the mining speeds or get in-game auto miners that do not need human intervention, but only to set it up. Idea: Expand the mining drones to full automation. But people can still blow them up so that you still need to strategies the best way to use them. Mining is the heart of the economy but at the same time, its current iteration is an enjoyment killer. I understand the fine line to make something challenging enough to reward the accomplishment, but at the same time, if it's sheer drudgery , I can find plenty of that in Real Life and not have to pay for it.
Kalhan	Posted - 2003.10.06 17:29:00 - [28] Edited by: Kalhan on 06/10/2003 17:30:10 Quote: Edited by: DrEvil on 06/10/2003 17:23:25 Mining has to be changed. The current speed and requirements kill a person's enjoyment of this game. Seriously who really wants to waste 4 hrs of their life on mining. AFK mining is only possible in .9-1.0, and if you are clever enough, you can set up the macro to handle some of the pesky NPC spawns from .6-.8. AFK mining in 0.0 is very risky. Where the macro becomes a problem is in combat. That is why you have a blanket statement on the EULA, because the devs can not police the actions of the players on using the macro strictly for mining and not for combat. Now if CCP just made auto miners that mine and collect and haul it for you, than a ban on Macros would be approipate. The point is even the Devs dont want to mine. Seriously, the Devs should be locked up for a 4 weekends in a row and told to get a Battleship through normal game mechanics. Either accelerate the mining speeds or get in-game auto miners that do not need human intervention, but only to set it up. Idea: Expand the mining drones to full automation. But people can still blow them up so that you still need to strategies the best way to use them. Mining is the heart of the economy but at the same time, its current iteration is an enjoyment killer. I understand the fine line to make something challenging enough to reward the accomplishment, but at the same time, if it's sheer drudgery , I can find plenty of that in Real Life and not have to pay for it. Or just deal with it. You can always go play another game. When you make your game you can have your players do whatever you want. Again they make the rules. And if you read my link it says... Quote: CCP reserves the right to wipe all user accounts and or inventory of characters whenever we deem it necessary. CCP reserves the right to close any user account and may do so for as long as it is deemed necessary. We reserve the right to ban any user from the game without refund or compensation.
Phoenix Leo	Posted - 2003.10.06 18:05:00 - [29] Kalhan, your scare tactics doesn't work. If you disagree you'll have to take to logic and reason or you won't add anything of value to this discussion. I've been playing for 6 months. About 90% of my ingame time has prolly gone to mining. I've done mining ops that have lasted days. I can imagine there are plenty of other players that are as bored of mining as I am, yet it is the only sensible, lowrisk way to have a steady income. I've been on the brink of leaving EVE several times, but events and people within my corp has made me stay for a little while longer. So imagine my relief, when I realize I could put a program to work doing this repetitive, mindnumbing task. If the devs tell me it's a no-no, fine, I'll cease. I do not believe they'll just shut my account down without warning though; I have not done harm to anyone in any way. Perhaps CCP already has a solution to the problem, if not there are plenty of ideas to choose from.
Galk	Posted - 2003.10.06 18:08:00 - [30] Quote: Now if CCP just made auto miners that mine and collect and haul it for you, than a ban on Macros would be approipate. lols Personaly i don't have a problem sitting and watching the tv while mining. In fact thats why i don't stop mining. I don't find it boring in the slightest:) ------------------------ ---- Little wonder why people were, what this person was telling my friends: http://galk.50megs.com/logs/

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