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LazyDeer Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 15	Posted - 2014.08.30 04:42:00 - [1] - Quote I read the forums every now and then and all I see is so many players crying about game mechanics. Like ganking haulers and miners, scams in jita, Wardecs being a greifer tool, High sec not safe and more. Thing is, this has been going on all the time, and puzzles me how people can't learn from the past? So is EVE's overall IQ dropping?
bacon lettuce tomato 15	Posted - 2014.08.30 04:44:00 - [2] - Quote Those posts have always been there, so IQs are at least where they were before. Maybe they were always lower than you originally assumed.
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 1094	Posted - 2014.08.30 04:45:00 - [3] - Quote Well, there always used to be posts like that, but I'd swear they are more frequent now than they were the last few times I've come back, closer to the frequency they had years ago. [witty image] - Stream
Carlos Brutus Limitless Inc. Holdings 1	Posted - 2014.08.30 04:47:00 - [4] - Quote Are you for some reason under the impression that it's always the same players playing the game or posting on the forums? There's this thing called turnover. Though maybe you're right about the IQ thing in that the smart people are probably leaving Eve.
LazyDeer Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 15	Posted - 2014.08.30 04:49:00 - [5] - Quote So I have been playing a couple years now on different characters and I see more post about this crap with there being WAY more guides and information out there to help now a days. Before information was there but didn't slap you in the face and or was confusing.
Ioci Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums 517	Posted - 2014.08.30 04:50:00 - [6] - Quote It isn't the complaints I find simplistic. It's the presumptuous replies. R.I.P. Vile Rat
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 11372	Posted - 2014.08.30 04:50:00 - [7] - Quote Carlos Brutus wrote: Though maybe you're right about the IQ thing in that the smart people are probably leaving Eve. I'm still here. Tippia's still here. There's a lot of smart people who are still playing. Enjoying the rain today? ;)
LazyDeer Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 15	Posted - 2014.08.30 04:51:00 - [8] - Quote Carlos Brutus wrote: Are you for some reason under the impression that it's always the same players playing the game or posting on the forums? There's this thing called turnover. Though maybe you're right about the IQ thing in that the smart people are probably leaving Eve. I am implying that as EVE's player base grows the overall IQ seems to be going down with more and more players.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 11373	Posted - 2014.08.30 04:58:00 - [9] - Quote LazyDeer wrote: Carlos Brutus wrote: Are you for some reason under the impression that it's always the same players playing the game or posting on the forums? There's this thing called turnover. Though maybe you're right about the IQ thing in that the smart people are probably leaving Eve. I am implying that as EVE's player base grows the overall IQ seems to be going down with more and more players. The average IQ of the EVE player base has probably not changed significantly in a long time. It's also fair to say that the average IQ of the player base is probably higher than that of the general population, so I'd guess... 105? 110? Somewhere around there. Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 9344	Posted - 2014.08.30 05:00:00 - [10] - Quote IQ? No clue. BMI? Definitely has not gone down. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." Clean Up Local 2014.-á

Sobaan Tali Caldari Quick Reaction Force 350	Posted - 2014.08.30 05:03:00 - [11] - Quote I've always said the world's overall IQ has been on a steady decline since the internet came around. Does that count?
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 6236	Posted - 2014.08.30 05:07:00 - [12] - Quote I.Q. too STRONK! G¥ÜGûêGòÉGòÉGûêG¥Ü Replace with shiptoasting.. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Charax Bouclier Emerald Drama Theatrics 23	Posted - 2014.08.30 05:46:00 - [13] - Quote I blame you lazy vets for failing to subjugate these whiners to keep their mewlings at a minimum. Fortunately, it looks like James 315, Saviour of the Universe, is stepping up to the plate to rectify these matters.
Cancel Align NOW Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 89	Posted - 2014.08.30 06:00:00 - [14] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Tippia's still here. There's a lot of smart people who are still playing. FTFY
Sisohiv Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 237	Posted - 2014.08.30 06:42:00 - [15] - Quote The IQ requirements have been reduced. In the Gallente Federation there are 'Mother corporations'. One such 'Mother Corp' is Quafe. Quafe owns several smaller corps that they use for specific aspects of their corporate objectives. Material Acquisitions is their mining and refining corporation. It's a Satellite corporation with very specific jobs, done for Quafe Corporation. This is one example of the structure of New Eden. All corporations fit in to groups and satellite groups like this. It all meant something at one time. Now it's just fog. Getting standing with Quafe won't get you standings with Material Acquisition and getting standings with MA won't get you a secondary standings boost with Quafe. You really don't need standings with MA because all the things MA offer, Quafe offer as well. It was all nullified when they introduced the LP store and then reduced the types of missions we do. One of the reasons Crius was less than spectacular is all this corporate intricacy has no impact on infrastructure or bonus in the decisions we make. It's all in a one size fits all formula and most of the complexity was phased out. Any potential for expanding this complexity is also gone. Consider BPO distribution. How different would the EVE manufacturing scene be if you had been required to figure out who owns BPO's and if you were required to get standings to obtain those BPO's as they define trade secrets? Has the Overall IQ of EVE itself gone down, is the question.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 9347	Posted - 2014.08.30 06:53:00 - [16] - Quote Sisohiv wrote: One of the reasons Crius was less than spectacular is all this ~~corporate intricacy~~ corpulent intimacy And we're back on my topic again. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." Clean Up Local 2014.-á
Gerald Sphinx The Irukandji The Irukandji. 69	Posted - 2014.08.30 07:05:00 - [17] - Quote I'm a smart player still playing Eve since 2008. Or at least I'm smart enough not to put myself into the front-page news of Mittani's ALOD articles.
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9227	Posted - 2014.08.30 07:08:00 - [18] - Quote Your question is too inaccurate to answer ... but I can help. For literally every evolving, interactive product with interest in growth ... ... there comes the point when it starts to 'mainstream' ... ... which means that overall quality has to go down ... ... so that the overall amount of participants can increase. It's easy to understand. At the beginning, EVE was hard. It had only a small playerbase which enjoyed this fact. As it was hard, it wasn't really something for the wider masses. Eventually, as you know, the game turned easier. You can call that 'less complicated' ... ... but I can argue about that. Let's coin it 'complexity'. It's vague enough ... ... but everyone gets the point. Fact of the matter is that obviously the level of 'complexity' has to go down so the amount of players can increase. Many people do not find time or interest in dealing with a level of 'complexity' above what they can easily manage. In the beginning, the game was really hard. Now, the game is less 'complex' and has more easy-way-in kind of things to do. Obviously the average IQ decreased as the number of people increased, because the number of easy-way-in things to do went up. Less 'complexity' means that it's more appealing to more people because there are less people interested in dealing with a higher amount of complexity. Even easier: As the number of players went up ... ... the average IQ went down ... ... because there are less smart people than dumb people. Also obviously the smart people who played when 'complexity' was high ... ... are mostly not playing anymore as the level of 'complexity' went down ... ... further lowering the average IQ. Hey it's still early here and this is the best I can come up with now. Over time, I have removed enough 'complexity' from this post ... ... to make it easily comprehendable for a wider range of people. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 1094	Posted - 2014.08.30 07:21:00 - [19] - Quote Sisohiv wrote: Consider BPO distribution. How different would the EVE manufacturing scene be if you had been required to figure out who owns BPO's and if you were required to get standings to obtain those BPO's as they define trade secrets? Well there would be a lot more of grinding NPC content before you got to play the actual game, which is thankfully the opposite of the direction CCP is going in. [witty image] - Stream
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9227	Posted - 2014.08.30 07:35:00 - [20] - Quote Crumplecorn wrote: Solecist Project wrote: In the beginning, the game was really hard. Now, the game is less 'complex' and has more easy-way-in kind of things to do. Obviously the average IQ decreased as the number of people increased At the moment the number of people is decreasing if anything. Irrelevant to the point and not comparable to the huge increase over the last ten years. You are talking short-term, I am talking long-term. I can argue here that the game got too "less 'complex'" and starts to lose it's appeal ... ... or that the number of "less smart" people increased enough in the last years ... ... that it seemed like the game is growing, but these people don't stay long enough. There is not enough ground in reality to say anything about this, or I simply lack data to look at this properly. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961

Sisohiv Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 239	Posted - 2014.08.30 07:43:00 - [21] - Quote Crumplecorn wrote: Sisohiv wrote: Consider BPO distribution. How different would the EVE manufacturing scene be if you had been required to figure out who owns BPO's and if you were required to get standings to obtain those BPO's as they define trade secrets? Well there would be a lot more of grinding NPC content before you got to play the actual game, which is thankfully the opposite of the direction CCP is going in. CCP reduced the grind? Instead of grinding rep for a variety of entities, you can now focus grind LP and ISK in quest hubs but you will grind the same amount. And what ever happened to EVE is hard, HTFU? EVE is m'eh, wait for primary?
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9228	Posted - 2014.08.30 07:46:00 - [22] - Quote Sisohiv wrote: Crumplecorn wrote: Sisohiv wrote: Consider BPO distribution. How different would the EVE manufacturing scene be if you had been required to figure out who owns BPO's and if you were required to get standings to obtain those BPO's as they define trade secrets? Well there would be a lot more of grinding NPC content before you got to play the actual game, which is thankfully the opposite of the direction CCP is going in. CCP reduced the grind? Instead of grinding rep for a variety of entities, you can now focus grind LP and ISK in quest hubs but you will grind the same amount. And what ever happened to EVE is hard, HTFU? EVE is m'eh, wait for primary? More easy-way-in things to do which give an enough satisfying reward. At the bottom of it, I guess we could say that the amount of 'arcade' type of things to do increased. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961
Sisohiv Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 239	Posted - 2014.08.30 08:03:00 - [23] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Sisohiv wrote: Crumplecorn wrote: Sisohiv wrote: Consider BPO distribution. How different would the EVE manufacturing scene be if you had been required to figure out who owns BPO's and if you were required to get standings to obtain those BPO's as they define trade secrets? Well there would be a lot more of grinding NPC content before you got to play the actual game, which is thankfully the opposite of the direction CCP is going in. CCP reduced the grind? Instead of grinding rep for a variety of entities, you can now focus grind LP and ISK in quest hubs but you will grind the same amount. And what ever happened to EVE is hard, HTFU? EVE is m'eh, wait for primary? More easy-way-in things to do which give an enough satisfying reward. At the bottom of it, I guess we could say that the amount of 'arcade' type of things to do increased. Perhaps but they threw a lot of EVE away. Crius does give them a chance to bring that back. Using the Material Acquisition example again, they are a refinery and mining corporation. The new refinery base allows for bonuses to apply to those very niche corporations in EVE. Much like these Manufacturing teams open up a possibility for Null players. Players in deep null could in theory host an agent from an Empire corporation at their outpost. If they had the standings to facilitate the deal. A 48 hr Lai Dai, level 5 Sec agent in Deklein. What some call Grind can unlock welcome content for others.
Sykaotic Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 15	Posted - 2014.08.30 08:30:00 - [24] - Quote A monkey could play this game 5 years ago.... nothing has changed in game, but the content of the forums have been replaced with the content of a handful of low IQ forum trolls. "I hear the directors of Genetic Control have been buying all the properties that have recently been sold, taking risks oh so bold. It's said now that people will be shorter in height, they can fit twice as many in the same building site." Reminds me of the forum trolls aka self important pseudo directors of Genetic Control.... they are the ones who should Go Go go.
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9233	Posted - 2014.08.30 08:45:00 - [25] - Quote Regading to the poster above I can only say ... If a monkey starts looking into a book ... ... it doesn't mean a genius will come out of it. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961
Anndy The Evocati 95	Posted - 2014.08.30 09:05:00 - [26] - Quote LazyDeer wrote: I read the forums every now and then and all I see is so many players crying about game mechanics. Like ganking haulers and miners, scams in jita, Wardecs being a greifer tool, High sec not safe and more. Thing is, this has been going on all the time, and puzzles me how people can't learn from the past? So is EVE's overall IQ dropping? more people running around ganking = more posts about it
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9235	Posted - 2014.08.30 09:12:00 - [27] - Quote LazyDeer wrote: I read the forums every now and then and all I see is so many players crying about game mechanics. Like ganking haulers and miners, scams in jita, Wardecs being a greifer tool, High sec not safe and more. Thing is, this has been going on all the time, and puzzles me how people can't learn from the past? So is EVE's overall IQ dropping? Equating 'general people' with 'specific persons' makes no sense at all. So in context of your post ... regarding yourself ... you might be right. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961
Nick Starkey Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF 77	Posted - 2014.08.30 10:01:00 - [28] - Quote It's as low as always, as evidenced by the typical posters in this forum. It's just that the average percieved IQ is higher in Eve than in so many other games. DunningGÇôKruger effect is strong among most people here. ..
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 12876	Posted - 2014.08.30 10:12:00 - [29] - Quote Its not EVE, it humanity as a whole. idiocracy is now a documentary Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9239	Posted - 2014.08.30 10:26:00 - [30] - Quote Nick Starkey wrote: It's as low as always, as evidenced by the typical posters in this forum. It's just that the average percieved IQ is higher in Eve than in so many other games. DunningGÇôKruger effect is strong among most people here. This ... baltec1 wrote: Its not EVE, it humanity as a whole. idiocracy is now a documentary ... and this, so much. Regarding to the upper post there are three famous words to add, which have become a sad reality. Ignorance is Strength. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961

Miko Jin University of Caille Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2014.08.30 10:37:00 - [31] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Nick Starkey wrote: It's as low as always, as evidenced by the typical posters in this forum. It's just that the average percieved IQ is higher in Eve than in so many other games. DunningGÇôKruger effect is strong among most people here. This ... baltec1 wrote: Its not EVE, it humanity as a whole. idiocracy is now a documentary ... and this, so much. Regarding to the upper post there are three famous words to add, which have become a sad reality. Ignorance is Strength. Who said those so called famous words? What you meant to put was "Ignorance is bliss" And just so you know it comes from Thomas Gray's poem, Ode on a Distant Prospect of Eton College (1742)
Josef Djugashvilis Acme Mining Corporation 2503	Posted - 2014.08.30 11:00:00 - [32] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Carlos Brutus wrote: Though maybe you're right about the IQ thing in that the smart people are probably leaving Eve. I'm still here. Tippia's still here. There's a lot of smart people who are still playing. The ego and brown nosing are stronk in this one This is not a signature.
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9240	Posted - 2014.08.30 11:08:00 - [33] - Quote Miko Jin wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Nick Starkey wrote: It's as low as always, as evidenced by the typical posters in this forum. It's just that the average percieved IQ is higher in Eve than in so many other games. DunningGÇôKruger effect is strong among most people here. This ... baltec1 wrote: Its not EVE, it humanity as a whole. idiocracy is now a documentary ... and this, so much. Regarding to the upper post there are three famous words to add, which have become a sad reality. Ignorance is Strength. Who said those so called famous words? ~~What you meant to put was "Ignorance is bliss"~~Dunning-Krueger effect is a real thing. Education. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961
JOSAL EXAN Obertura 13	Posted - 2014.08.30 11:11:00 - [34] - Quote LazyDeer wrote: I read the forums every now and then and all I see is so many players crying about game mechanics. Like ganking haulers and miners, scams in jita, Wardecs being a greifer tool, High sec not safe and more. Thing is, this has been going on all the time, and puzzles me how people can't learn from the past? So is EVE's overall IQ dropping? Yes it is. Since I'm here it has.
Miko Jin University of Caille Gallente Federation 81	Posted - 2014.08.30 11:18:00 - [35] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Miko Jin wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Nick Starkey wrote: It's as low as always, as evidenced by the typical posters in this forum. It's just that the average percieved IQ is higher in Eve than in so many other games. DunningGÇôKruger effect is strong among most people here. This ... baltec1 wrote: Its not EVE, it humanity as a whole. idiocracy is now a documentary ... and this, so much. Regarding to the upper post there are three famous words to add, which have become a sad reality. Ignorance is Strength. Who said those so called famous words? ~~What you meant to put was "Ignorance is bliss"~~Dunning-Krueger effect is a real thing. Education. No question the Dunning-Krueger effect is a studied issue, But your famous words as you stated "Ignorance is Strength" comes more from the George Orwell Novel 1984 where it is quoted than from the Dunning-Krueger effect. Maybe you are having issue with your Illusory superiority complex. "War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength" George Orwell
Abrazzar Vardaugas Family 4555	Posted - 2014.08.30 11:20:00 - [36] - Quote I think it has more to do with the self-reinforcing dynamic of trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling cough Sorry. Anyway, it's just reached a level of instinctual automation that has little to do with intelligence. A thread, a response, a counter, etc. It's all been done before, it will be done again and again and again, every iteration with less finesse and understanding to it, like CODE. imitating Goonswarm. trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls Someone should make a song out of it. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9241	Posted - 2014.08.30 11:24:00 - [37] - Quote Miko Jin wrote: I DON'T GET IT I DON'T GET IT I DON'T GET IT AND PROJECT MY OWN ISSUE ONTO YOU I really like how you are literally unable to understand what I am talking about ... ... and thus will stop conversing with you ... ... as it is pointless to talk with people who suffer from above mentioned effect. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961
Miko Jin University of Caille Gallente Federation 81	Posted - 2014.08.30 11:34:00 - [38] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Miko Jin wrote: I DON'T GET IT I DON'T GET IT I DON'T GET IT I really like how you are literally unable to understand what I am talking about ... ... and thus will stop conversing with you ... ... as it is pointless to talk with people who suffer from said effect. I think my last post proves my point. Please do not take this personally as it was just correcting an error that you misguidedly thought was correct but was written by a famous Author and not attributed to said Denning-Krueger effect. Lowering yourself to personal attacks just shows your failings and maybe that would be an issue you would want to address?
Xuixien The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 1635	Posted - 2014.08.30 11:40:00 - [39] - Quote I always run background checks on the more... vocal... of the forum whiners. And what surprises me is that some of them have been playing for years. ]What really bakes my noodle is how can a player with an employment history indicating that they've been playing the game for years seriously whine about ganking and WarDecing? Epic Space Cat
Slick Entry Smearing Myself With Jam 1	Posted - 2014.08.30 11:44:00 - [40] - Quote A forum poster's IQ is in inverse proportion to the number of times they post "in before lock", "grr Goons" and "posting in stealth {insert subject of choice here} thread".

Prince Kobol 2119	Posted - 2014.08.30 11:55:00 - [41] - Quote I think what we are finding is a new class of gamer who wants instant gratification because they are so used to getting it. Many games that are being released now across all platforms bear more resemblance to the arcade games of the 80's and early 90's. We have a generation of players who have been brought up on games on facebook and mobile platforms. Games with the complexity of Eve are a very rare breed these days.
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9242	Posted - 2014.08.30 11:59:00 - [42] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: I think what we are finding is a new class of gamer who wants instant gratification because they are so used to getting it. Many games that are being released now across all platforms bear more resemblance to the arcade games of the 80's and early 90's. We have a generation of players who have been brought up on games on facebook and mobile platforms. Games with the complexity of Eve are a very rare breed these days. You do not sound like you played any games from back then. These games were everything else than "instant gratification". These games were HARD TO BEAT and achievements actually involved SKILL! http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961
Prince Kobol 2119	Posted - 2014.08.30 12:10:00 - [43] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Prince Kobol wrote: I think what we are finding is a new class of gamer who wants instant gratification because they are so used to getting it. Many games that are being released now across all platforms bear more resemblance to the arcade games of the 80's and early 90's. We have a generation of players who have been brought up on games on facebook and mobile platforms. Games with the complexity of Eve are a very rare breed these days. You do not sound like you played any games from back then. These games were everything else than "instant gratification". These games were HARD TO BEAT and achievements actually involved SKILL! Instant gratification does not mean easy. It means that within seconds you are in thick of the action and in a very short amount of time you can see progression. I lived in arcades as a boy and my 2 favourite games were Jackal and New Zealand Story, both very difficult games but both gave instant gratification. Look at the success of DOTA and LoL. These games can be difficult to master but still provide Instant gratification. All the 1st person shoot'em up are the same. They are all difficult to master but provide Instant gratification.
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9245	Posted - 2014.08.30 12:23:00 - [44] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: ... You don't understand the concept of instant gratification. Instant gratification is about rewards and not about challenges. That's why it is called "gratification". That's why Zynga games generally can be categorised as "instant gratification" games. grind levelup grind grind levelup grind grind grind levelup grind grind grind grind levelup Arcade games were made hard on purpose. The "drug" was the desire to keep playing TO actually beat them. There was NO instant gratification involved in games back in the 80's and 90's whatsoever. Please inform yourself properly, because you are way off. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9245	Posted - 2014.08.30 12:29:00 - [45] - Quote One can say that the modern gaming industry is not about providing challenges, but about providing rewards. NeuroScience gave the entertainment industry better and better ways of finding out how to make people hooked ... and how to turn off deeper thought so they keep being hooked ... and the best way to do this is to reach out for lower instincts. Gratification. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961
Miko Jin University of Caille Gallente Federation 81	Posted - 2014.08.30 12:42:00 - [46] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: One can say that the modern gaming industry is not about providing challenges, but about providing rewards. NeuroScience gave the entertainment industry better and better ways of finding out how to make people hooked ... and how to turn off deeper thought so they keep being hooked ... and the best way to do this is to reach out for lower instincts. Gratification. They are giving people a fake sense of self worth. That's why there are extremely hostile "carebears", because they have a fake sense of self worth. They do not engage in player vs. player combat and are extremely mad when it's forced onto them, because it's the reality that shows them that they are losers who can not actually win challenges. Or, in other words ... If I keep telling you that you are great at chess and let you win all the time ... ... even when you are a really ****** player without any actual skills ... ... someone who does not let you win will make you suffer from loss of self worth ... ... which leads to reactions you can read up on the forums. Google is a wonderful thing but copy and paste does not make you intelligent. I shall just say this, A pseudointellectual will be condescending and make you feel stupid for either not knowing what they know or believing what they say to be true. Now that is true of you!
Slick Entry Smearing Myself With Jam 1	Posted - 2014.08.30 12:47:00 - [47] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: You don't understand the concept of instant gratification. Instant gratification is about rewards and not about challenges. That's why it is called "gratification". That's why Zynga games generally can be categorised as "instant gratification" games. grind levelup grind grind levelup grind grind grind levelup grind grind grind grind levelup "I AM SOOO GOOD!" Arcade games were made hard on purpose. The "drug" was the desire to keep playing TO actually beat them. "I WILL FINISH THIS! I KNOW I CAN BEAT THIS!" The mindset of players back then was a completely different one. Please inform yourself properly, because you are way off. Progression is a reward in itself. Progression is gratifying. Fast progression even more so, especially when the game is hard.
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9246	Posted - 2014.08.30 12:47:00 - [48] - Quote Miko Jin wrote: Google is a wonderful thing but copy and paste does not make you intelligent. I shall just say this, A pseudointellectual will be condescending and make you feel stupid for either not knowing what they know or believing what they say to be true. Now that is true of you! You can not accept when someone knows more than you and grasps reality better than you. You keep trying to get a reaction from me that makes you feel better about yourself. Everyone is free to go through the posting history of the person I quoted. You even posted in the thread about Sibyyl, even after I noted that I will report your posts and that the thread is about Sibyyl alone. She is thankfull that I keep an eye on that thread ... ... as she is thankfull for the thread itself ... ... which is a gift to her for everything she has done for me. You keep trying to make this about me ... ... ignoring that you are simply constantly trying to make it about yourself. You are unable to deal with me ... ... because I crush your fake sense of superiority. Instead, you keep projecting your fake sense of superiority onto me. I will simply hide your posts now. Have a nice day/weekend. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961
Miko Jin University of Caille Gallente Federation 82	Posted - 2014.08.30 12:52:00 - [49] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Miko Jin wrote: Google is a wonderful thing but copy and paste does not make you intelligent. I shall just say this, A pseudointellectual will be condescending and make you feel stupid for either not knowing what they know or believing what they say to be true. Now that is true of you! You can not accept when someone knows more than you and grasps reality better than you. You keep trying to get a reaction from me that makes you feel better about yourself. Everyone is free to go through the posting history of the person I quoted. You even posted in the thread about Sibyyl, even after I noted that I will report your posts and that the thread is about Sibyyl alone. She is thankfull that I keep an eye on that thread ... ... as she is thankfull for the thread itself ... ... which is a gift to her for everything she has done for me. You keep trying to make this about me ... ... ignoring that you are simply constantly trying to make it about yourself. Truth is when called to question psuedo intellectuals run away or blank out the truth that they really have ideals that are not their own and they are not able to see the full picture or the whole truth. You are unable to deal with me ... ... because I crush your fake sense of superiority. Instead, you keep projecting your fake sense of superiority onto me. I will simply hide your posts now. Have a nice day/weekend.
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9246	Posted - 2014.08.30 12:52:00 - [50] - Quote Slick Entry wrote: Progression is a reward in itself. Progression is gratifying. Fast progression even more so, especially when the game is hard. I agree partly. Progression is a reward in itself. grind levelup grind grind levelup grind grind grind levelup Fast progression though does not come from challenge, because challenge hinders fast progression. The harder the challenge becomes, the less gratification is there. Old games, compared to new games simply kept getting harder and harder, up to the point where they are pretty much unable to beat ... (Space Invaders, for example) ... while Zynga-style games do not actually get more challenging ... ... but instead simply increase the intervals between each gratification. grind levelup grind grind levelup grind grind grind levelup grind grind grind grind levelup http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961

Celise Katelo State War Academy Caldari State 8	Posted - 2014.08.30 12:55:00 - [51] - Quote I don't get why so many humans choose the path of IQ over that of something else to define another person. Also as a general rule when it comes to leadership the correlation of IQ matched with social behaviour can have some amazing effects when you combine the two. Also if someone will listen to commands. A lesser Man's / Lady's IQ doesn't mean that they make the game worse for others, it can improve, even enhance game play. But how can someone with a lesser IQ actually make a game more challenging. Well this is partly because higher IQ humans will tend to take a Leadership role. If you combine Leadership & peoples strengths in set roles then even the most stupid person on the planet can be the most valuable asset. Valuable asset ...This list is about combat over anything else, but the following can also be used for most content in the game. Will listen to commands without failure Reaction time / able to complete the task at hand Can sometimes think outside of the box Trusting Reliability / punctuality / timekeeping Willing to learn With the following skill sets i have mentioned you don't need a high IQ for everyone if you combine them with Leadership, since people can have one or more of the following skills and can truly out-shine someone's IQ.
Luukje The Phoenix Rising 17	Posted - 2014.08.30 12:57:00 - [52] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: One can say that the modern gaming industry is not about providing challenges, but about providing rewards. NeuroScience gave the entertainment industry better and better ways of finding out how to make people hooked ... and how to turn off deeper thought so they keep being hooked ... and the best way to do this is to reach out for lower instincts. Gratification. They are giving people a fake sense of self worth. That's why there are extremely hostile "carebears", because they have a fake sense of self worth. They do not engage in player vs. player combat and are extremely mad when it's forced onto them, because it's the reality that shows them that they are losers who can not actually win challenges. Or, in other words ... If I keep telling you that you are great at chess and let you win all the time ... ... even when you are a really ****** player without any actual skills ... ... someone who does not let you win will make you suffer from loss of self worth ... ... which leads to reactions you can read up on the forums. ^ This.
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 4439	Posted - 2014.08.30 12:58:00 - [53] - Quote sol, you're arguing with npc's, this has (arguably) about as much merit as arguing with your own alt. =][=
Miko Jin University of Caille Gallente Federation 82	Posted - 2014.08.30 13:08:00 - [54] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: sol, you're arguing with npc's, this has (arguably) about as much merit as arguing with your own alt. Isn't that what is going on? Or the whole point of the argument?
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9248	Posted - 2014.08.30 13:08:00 - [55] - Quote Luukje wrote: ^ This. Ralph King-Griffin wrote: sol, you're arguing with npc's, this has (arguably) about as much merit as arguing with your own alt. Thank you two for your support and display of education and understanding of reality. Please note that I will keep my tone this way and not ever again let myself get consumed by the contagious hate too many people in GD suffer from and keep spreading onto others. It even seems that Sibyyl herself has started to show signs of said infection. Anyhow ... please note that I am trying to educate. I see mistakes or misunderstandings and provide information for the reader to improve their knowledge or understanding of things. The fact that many people can not deal with "being educated" ... ... because of their fake self worth and false belief of "knowing it anyway" ... ... is a sad fact, but has nothing to do with me. Believe me when I tell you that it is only them who keep making it worse for themselves. Like the one who even came to the yellow-thread. A perfect example. She will just keep going on and on and on ... ... unless this very line makes her stop ... ... just to make it seem like I am wrong anyway. And ... see my post above about said person. Thank you again for your support and understanding and I hope you will have a nice day/weekend, just like I have. In my cuddly, warm bed ... listening to the rain outside. (: http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961
Prince Kobol 2121	Posted - 2014.08.30 13:17:00 - [56] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: I can copy and paste random crap of the internet Instant gratification comes in many forms. LoL and Dota as well as many of the great arcade games of the 80's and early 90's provide this. Something being incredibly easy and requiring no skills does not always provide Instant gratification. One of the reason why Lol and Dota have become so fantastically popular is because they provide the person a sense of achievement in a very short amount of time yet skill requires an element of skill. You can log onto LoL for the very first time and get a kill within minutes of playing, hence the instant gratification, yet to truly master a champion requires a level of skill, some require more skill then others, yet whilst you are mastering that champion you are still getting kills. CoD, GTA, Quake, Unreal, Doom, Wolfenstein, Halo, Fay Cry etc are all instant gratification games. They all give the player what they want within minutes of playing.. kills, yet still require a level of skill to progress and more so to play against other players. Look at the best selling games over the last few years, the vast majority of them give the player what they want within a few of playing and are designed at best to give enjoyment for a short span of time. If a game gives a person enjoyment for a few months then its deemed to be a success. Very few games have anywhere near the complexity of Eve. Many new gamers have no idea that games with the complexity of Eve even exist and they are so used to be given what they want with minutes of playing and the concept that it can takes years to obtain a goal is so alien to them they come crying on the forums.
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9255	Posted - 2014.08.30 13:34:00 - [57] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: Solecist Project wrote: I can copy and paste random crap of the internet It is sad to see that you do not believe that other people are able to make up their own thoughts about matters. As you had to start the post with crap that indicates that you felt attacked ... I will simply refuse to keep conversing with you. Have a nice day/weekend. :) http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 1094	Posted - 2014.08.30 13:51:00 - [58] - Quote Sisohiv wrote: CCP reduced the grind? Instead of grinding rep for a variety of entities, you can now focus grind LP and ISK in quest hubs but you will grind the same amount. And what ever happened to EVE is hard, HTFU? EVE is m'eh, wait for primary? I do grind the same amount actually, which is to say not at all, ever. As regards EVE is hard, it's still intact more or less, EVE is grind is being abandoned though. Grindy != Hard. Solecist Project wrote: Irrelevant to the point and not comparable to the huge increase over the last ten years. Quite right, my post was intended to be more facetious than it came across as. [witty image] - Stream
Sibyyl Gallente Federation 9302	Posted - 2014.08.30 16:04:00 - [59] - Quote LazyDeer wrote: I read the forums every now and then and all I see is so many players crying about game mechanics. Like ganking haulers and miners, scams in jita, Wardecs being a greifer tool, High sec not safe and more. Thing is, this has been going on all the time, and puzzles me how people can't learn from the past? So is EVE's overall IQ dropping? Hey thanks for wandering in to congratulate yourself. It must be a real burden for you to be surrounded by folks of such low calibre and potential. I am awestruck by your massive intellect and wisdom. I don't know.. maybe I'll go build a small shrine to you in my bedroom now. ~ Please support a yellow jumpsuit for me (and everyone else). Thank you! ~
Sibyyl Gallente Federation 9303	Posted - 2014.08.30 16:21:00 - [60] - Quote Miko Jin wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Ignorance is Strength. Who said those so called famous words? What you meant to put was "Ignorance is bliss" And just so you know, It comes from Thomas Gray's poem, Ode on a Distant Prospect of Eton College (1742) I would be spectacularly impressed, had I not learned of this thing yesterday where you can type anything you want and pull up facts from anywhere on the Internet in seconds. Did you want to share more facts with us? Like who invented canned tuna, or the first woman to have cleared 5 feet on a trampoline jump? Maybe you should post everything you find on a Google search for us, so we can know how clever you are. Awaiting with great anticipation.. ~ Please support a yellow jumpsuit for me (and everyone else). Thank you! ~

Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9267	Posted - 2014.08.30 16:31:00 - [61] - Quote Sibyyl wrote: Awaiting with great anticipation.. And the hatred ... ... awaits to be fueled ... ... by even more hatred .......... http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961
Sibyyl Gallente Federation 9304	Posted - 2014.08.30 16:32:00 - [62] - Quote Well, I was happy to have one Lightsaber. But I saw the bad guys get to have two at the same time.. ~ Please support a yellow jumpsuit for me (and everyone else). Thank you! ~
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9267	Posted - 2014.08.30 16:36:00 - [63] - Quote Sibyyl wrote: Well, I was happy to have one Lightsaber. But I saw the bad guys get to have two at the same time.. I do and will always support you ... ... and I see that you too will always support me ... ... but I really have to remind you of yourself, Sibyyl. Let's do it in your own way ... ... your old way ... ... hopefully my new way ... ... but definitely not in my old way. Hugs? http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961
Tassin en Lone University of Caille Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2014.08.30 17:04:00 - [64] - Quote In an attempt to provide a final and definitive answer to the OP's question regarding the IQ level of EVE's players I can confirm that in the past 2.000 to 6.000 years IQ HAS indeed gone down as demonstrated by this article: "Are Humans getting Smarter or Dumber?" Now that's out of the way, everyone disperse and get back to mining or ganking! Carebear Extraordinaire
Sibyyl Gallente Federation 9307	Posted - 2014.08.30 17:17:00 - [65] - Quote Tassin en Lone wrote: In an attempt to provide a final and definitive answer to the OP's question regarding the IQ level of EVE's players I can confirm that in the past 2.000 to 6.000 years IQ HAS indeed gone down as demonstrated by this article: "Are Humans getting Smarter or Dumber?" Now that's out of the way, everyone disperse and get back to mining or ganking! Not sure you read the article. Also, the study in the article is highly unscientific. First of all, your conclusion is the opposite of what the article writes: IQ scores are rising at a remarkable rate, humans' underlying genetic potential for smarts could be on the decline The article then fails to demonstrate what the imaginary term "underlying genetic potential" means. And then, the article gets ridiculous: Furthermore, he argued, intelligence isn't as evolutionarily important to humans today as it was when the species was hunter-gatherers. And then this is where the "scientist" isn't able to support his opinion with data: Another theory holds that humanity's genetic capacity for intelligence is in decline because of a phenomenon called dysgenic mating. Since the mid-1800s, IQ and reproduction have been negatively correlated, studies have found. To put it bluntly, people who are more intelligent have fewer babies. ... Instead, scores are going up, creating a paradox for the dysgenic mating theory, Woodley said. And then tries to argue for a "reaction time" metric which runs counter to the point of an IQ test: Simple reaction time (the amount of time it takes to respond to a stimulus) is correlated with IQ, Woodley said, and not nearly as sensitive to cultural influences as IQ tests. So we're not talking about IQ at all, but "reaction time" which is a metric totally invented by this Woodley fellow. No thanks. ~ Please support a yellow jumpsuit for me (and everyone else). Thank you! ~
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9268	Posted - 2014.08.30 17:19:00 - [66] - Quote "Simple reaction time (the amount of time it takes to respond to a stimulus) is correlated with IQ, Woodley said, and not nearly as sensitive to cultural influences as IQ tests." I can confirm the reduction of reaction time to be true and I do understand why one would make a connection between intelligence and reactiontime. Ask me why. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961
Sibyyl Gallente Federation 9307	Posted - 2014.08.30 17:21:00 - [67] - Quote I'll be happy to examine data you might have that correlates reaction time to IQ. That article doesn't contain this data.. ~ Please support a yellow jumpsuit for me (and everyone else). Thank you! ~
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9268	Posted - 2014.08.30 17:22:00 - [68] - Quote Sibyyl wrote: I'll be happy to examine data you might have that correlates reaction time to IQ. That article doesn't contain this data.. Don't avoid me. Ask me why. I know it! http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 1188	Posted - 2014.08.30 17:24:00 - [69] - Quote Eves average IQ is 100, just as every large sample of any bell curve will be. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á
Vyl Vit 705	Posted - 2014.08.30 17:25:00 - [70] - Quote YES!! Cipher Jones pulled that number out of his butt. Anyone with any sense has already left town.

Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 4454	Posted - 2014.08.30 17:27:00 - [71] - Quote Why might this be the case sol? =][=
Val'Dore PlanetCorp InterStellar 816	Posted - 2014.08.30 17:32:00 - [72] - Quote LazyDeer wrote: Carlos Brutus wrote: Are you for some reason under the impression that it's always the same players playing the game or posting on the forums? There's this thing called turnover. Though maybe you're right about the IQ thing in that the smart people are probably leaving Eve. I am implying that as EVE's player base grows the overall IQ seems to be going down with more and more players. That is true of any community, when they are small, they tend to be made up of smarter people. Or at least a greater concentration of smarter people per capita. SJD I invented Tiericide
Martin Corwin Corwin's Corsairs 6	Posted - 2014.08.30 17:34:00 - [73] - Quote Sobaan Tali wrote: I've always said the world's perceived overall IQ has been on a steady decline since the internet came around. Does that count? FTFY.
Tassin en Lone University of Caille Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2014.08.30 17:36:00 - [74] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Why might this be the case sol? Allow me to ninja this question. Faster response times equals faster processing of input data equals higher IQ. Right? Of course that also means our computers are way more intelligent than we are. Carebear Extraordinaire
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 11379	Posted - 2014.08.30 17:39:00 - [75] - Quote Sibyyl wrote: I am awestruck by your massive intellect and wisdom. EUPHORIC Enjoying the rain today? ;)
mechtech Ice Liberation Army 665	Posted - 2014.08.30 17:41:00 - [76] - Quote Honestly I think it has, but not for the reasons others are promoting. The Eve community used to be more RP oriented. I don't mean hardcore fantasy RP, but players generally played their character a bit more. Alliance and corp rhetoric was also a bit more formalized and I would say role playing oriented, and it contributed to bringing New Eden to life. These days I see much more focus on "Rekt" and "internet spaceships". In general the playerbase is more oriented towards the metagame. Honestly that's expected as a game ages, but the 4chan flavor to many 0.0 communities is seriously off putting, and I think that's really grown from a few core groups to the majority of the PvP playerbase in the past 5 years.
Sol epoch The Death Stalkers 146	Posted - 2014.08.30 17:44:00 - [77] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Why might this be the case sol? Why are you asking me?
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9273	Posted - 2014.08.30 17:49:00 - [78] - Quote I am writing a response, Ralph. Please wait, it's lengthy. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9274	Posted - 2014.08.30 18:10:00 - [79] - Quote Proof reading. Ralph? I'm almost done. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961
Sibyyl Gallente Federation 9321	Posted - 2014.08.30 18:26:00 - [80] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Sibyyl wrote: I am awestruck by your massive intellect and wisdom. EUPHORIC Well if I wrote that in response to you, I would actually mean it. ~ Please support a yellow jumpsuit for me (and everyone else). Thank you! ~

Nicolai Serkanner Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 166	Posted - 2014.08.30 18:40:00 - [81] - Quote LazyDeer wrote: I read the forums every now and then and all I see is so many players crying about game mechanics. Like ganking haulers and miners, scams in jita, Wardecs being a greifer tool, High sec not safe and more. Thing is, this has been going on all the time, and puzzles me how people can't learn from the past? So is EVE's overall IQ dropping? What is IQ?
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9278	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:52:00 - [82] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Why might this be the case sol? Thank you, for not being blindly consumed by hatred like so many others who simply react to what they read, instead of having deeper thoughts. Thank you so much for not being consumed by the ego illness that dominates the minds of the people in General Discussions! I would, btw, like to know how you avoid from being infected! I do feel like that's relevant for the point and others might actually be able to use it for their own good. Thank you for listening, I will explain! breathes in deeply This might be a bit longer and I do need to reach out a bit, so I can provide context for your minds to work with. Please note that I did not and do not feel the need to read this article. The small TL;DR is ... The reason why he connects reaction time with intelligence is because the longer the brain has time to process input before a response, the less automatic and pattern based the reaction will be! I use the "time to process input" mechanic for my erotic roleplaying. The way I express seperate actions in seperate lines delayed by time gives the reader's mind time to let the written word "sink in", creating a more engaging experience! I can not show you that on the forums, because there is no time delay between individual lines. I did, though, show it to quite a few people who might or might not read and respond. Anyhow ... What we are talking about ... ... and what is affecting the people of GD ... ... is related to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automaticity Let's use the computer analogy. It works well enough and everyone grasps it. So, imagine your brain is a computer. Yes, this is connected and displays a bit how the mind works. Do you know the weird thing when you want to remember something, but you can't? It slipped your mind and you can't access the memory. Though once you stopped thinking about it, your mind eventually digs it out and you suddenly recall. Everyone eventually has this happen in his life. It is pretty common! But why is this happening? It is happening, because once one stops searching, (aka giving the command) the "back of the mind" has time to dig out the memory. You gave the order into your brain ... ... and your brain starts to dig. When you keep trying to find the memory, then you interrupt the search process. The key thing here is the fact that the mind works in the back, as long as there is no attention given to the process itself! The wikipedia article actually talks about this. Quote: Automaticity can be disrupted by explicit attention when the devotion of conscious attention to the pattern alters the content or timing of that pattern itself. When one pays explicit attention to finding the memory, the brain is unable to find said memory, because you pay attention to finding it. The context in the article is different, but the mechanics regarding the interrupt are the same! Now how is that connected to reaction time and the idea that intelligence is connected to it? Easy. We can derive from above that the mind is able to disrupt working processes. We issue a command and the mind works it out. If we pay attention to the process, then the mind is being interrupted and can not process! Specifically in context I want to point out this part: Quote: But when given the request with what sounds like a reason but isn't, compliance jumped back to 93%. Langer, Chanowitz, and Blank are convinced that most human behavior falls into automatic response patterns. Now, to close the circle... The reason why people are compliant, even although it just SOUNDS like a reason but actually isn't, is because of the reaction time! People who would have given the brain time to let the input be properly processed, would have realised that there was no actual reason given! Instead, they simply reacted! They heard it, the brain came up with a pattern that fits and the reaction was given. There are many reasons why people just react mindlessly, but I will point out one example most people directly or indirectly know. It shows how it works. You know that from verbal fights, most probably, when people start mindlessly throwing words at each other at a faster and faster pace, instead of just listening and letting the input be processed before a response is given! It ends with people overreacting and slapping others, (or worse, sadly) leading to them regretting it and saying "I did not want to do that!" But he did! Why? Pattern based behaviour! Automatism! No conscious thought! There is an observation I have made years ago. The shorter the reaction time, the stronger the automatism. It is easily noticeable who actually puts proper thought into a conversation simply by observing how long the person takes to respond to input. It is also recogniseable when a person actually thinks about what is told to him, compared to a person who does not. THE BIG TL;DR: The reason why one could assume that reaction time and intellect are connected, is because the longer one thinks about something, the less stupid the response will be! Case in point: GENERAL DISCUSSION! The reason why there is so much hatred on the forums, and barely any conscious thought, is because people react to the negativity! They read something that offends their egos, like someone who says something that's "factually wrong" or "stupid" and they immediately start typing! No actual thought, just a reaction based on patterns, filled with the negativity of the input! And then there's the fact that... http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9278	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:53:00 - [83] - Quote Proof of point: No one in his right, conscious mind would deliberately, actively, purposefully want to keep spreading all this hatred! Yet it keeps on happening! Does anyone really, honestly want to assume that all of these people are consciously driven by hatred and WANT to spread said hatred willingly and consciously? http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9278	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:55:00 - [84] - Quote Oh btw ... ... for anyone wanting to read something interesting about people consciously using their brain's mechanics ... http://seedmagazine.com/content/article/who_wants_to_be_a_cognitive_neuroscientist_millionaire/ http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961
Antihrist Pripravnik T-AFK and counting 666	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:55:00 - [85] - Quote LazyDeer wrote: I read the forums every now and then and all I see is so many players crying about game mechanics. Like ganking haulers and miners, scams in jita, Wardecs being a greifer tool, High sec not safe and more. Thing is, this has been going on all the time, and puzzles me how people can't learn from the past? So is EVE's overall IQ dropping? I'll quote the rule for you: Quote: 2. Be respectful toward others at all times. The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to be courteous when disagreeing with others. o.0
Lady Areola Fappington 2157	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:57:00 - [86] - Quote Nicolai Serkanner wrote: LazyDeer wrote: I read the forums every now and then and all I see is so many players crying about game mechanics. Like ganking haulers and miners, scams in jita, Wardecs being a greifer tool, High sec not safe and more. Thing is, this has been going on all the time, and puzzles me how people can't learn from the past? So is EVE's overall IQ dropping? What is IQ? I know, totally missing the point, but hey! IQ, at it's simplest definition, is the measure of how easy it is for someone to learn things. Someone with a high IQ will be able to assimilate and retain information much easier than someone with a low IQ. It's not really a measure of smarts per se, as you can be dumb as a brick and have a high IQ. Interesting tidbit of fact, the IQ scale is averaged at 100, and gets re-averaged every few years. I remember reading not too long ago that if you give the standard 100 point average guy an IQ test from 30-40 years ago, they'll score in the 120's. IQ has gone "up" over the years! Kentucky Derby losers are not turned into Ikea meatballs. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev did not accidentally blow up vowels in his own name. The chupacabra does not deliver presents on Cinco De Mayo. Anytime minutes donGÇÖt let you call the future.
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9280	Posted - 2014.08.30 20:12:00 - [87] - Quote I feel the need to add that the "time to let input be processed" also applies to reading. Each sentence. Each word. To quote myself ... Every word is a note ... ... every sentence a melody. A paragraph equals an orchestra. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 20569	Posted - 2014.08.30 20:19:00 - [88] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: Eves average IQ is 100, just as every large sample of any bell curve will be. Vyl Vit wrote: Cipher Jones pulled that number out of his butt. Actually he didn't The difference between a carebear and a bear is that one expects the world to revolve around them, the other accepts the world for what it is and works around it. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
DJentropy Ovaert The Conference Elite CODE. 915	Posted - 2014.08.30 21:08:00 - [89] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Proof of point: No one in his right, conscious mind would deliberately, actively, purposefully want to keep spreading all this hatred! Yet it keeps on happening! Does anyone really, honestly want to assume that all of these people are consciously driven by hatred and WANT to spread said hatred willingly and consciously? SOLECIST PROJECT PUNCH :) Let's get serious for a second, though - Solecist totally hit the nail on the head with her post. Allow me to cherry pick for a second? Solecist Project wrote: There are many reasons why people just react mindlessly, but I will point out one example most people directly or indirectly know. It shows how it works. Mindless responses are pretty much the standard for many people, and in my opinion it comes down to humanity really only having a few "stories". We typecast eachother into roles that fit these stories, and regardless of what evidence is presented or what is actually going on - we ignore the details to preserve the narrative. The Eve-Online forms are a perfect example of that, about how easy it is to get the entire community to pull out torches and pitchforks when, for example, someone with some level of power presents a classic "Evil bad sociopath who hurts the poor innocent victim" story. You even get bonus points when the bad guy is someone who is very well known. But I digress. Solecist Project wrote: The shorter the reaction time, the stronger the automatism. Getting people to actually bother reading what was posted before, think about it, and then take their time to write up a reasonable response and then take the time to proof read it before clicking post - I fear you are asking too much from humanity in general. Only a small percentage of us are able to do this. :( Solecist Project wrote: They read something that offends their egos, like someone who says something that's "factually wrong" or "stupid" and they immediately start typing! No actual thought, just a reaction based on patterns, filled with the negativity of the input! I am literally pressing LIKE as hard as I can and throwing money at the screen right now.
Tassin en Lone University of Caille Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2014.08.30 21:53:00 - [90] - Quote DJentropy Ovaert wrote: Getting people to actually bother reading what was posted before, think about it, and then take their time to write up a reasonable response and then take the time to proof read it before clicking post - I fear you are asking too much from humanity in general. Only a small percentage of us are able to do this. It's not behavior that is encouraged by our social media. Facebook, Twitter, .... they all promote short meaningless interaction. The EVE-O forums are no exception to this. There has been an interesting study on the topic by the Pew Research Center (not a group of gankers) that starts from the assumption that interactions through Facebook and Twitter should have encouraged minority groups to express themselves more freely but instead comes to the conclusion that the opposite is true. The full article can be read here. Solecist Project wrote: The reason why there is so much hatred on the forums, and barely any conscious thought, is because people react to the negativity! People also act to positivity (or enthusiasm). Posts and players with likes are more likely to receive additional likes than those without any. Peer pressure exists even among anonymous individuals or those using forum alts, or so it seems. Carebear Extraordinaire

Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9290	Posted - 2014.08.30 22:00:00 - [91] - Quote I feel like DJ's reply actually has nothing to do with my post ... ... and when people start replying to his opinion ... ... they are completely missing the point. DJ missed it as well. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961
Sibyyl Gallente Federation 9329	Posted - 2014.08.30 22:10:00 - [92] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Please note that I did not and do not feel the need to read this article. ... The reason why one could assume that reaction time and intellect are connected, is because the longer one thinks about something, the less stupid the response will be! It is an interesting read, what you posted.. but this directly contradicts (ie: says the exact opposite) of what the linked article said, specifically. Also, I'm not sure how much stock I can put in your response if you can't take the time to read the article (it's pretty short). The article said: Quote: Simple reaction time (the amount of time it takes to respond to a stimulus) is correlated with IQ What you're saying is knee-jerk reactions are bad. I agree with you. But: Quote: The shorter the reaction time, the stronger the automatism. ... The reason why one could assume that reaction time and intellect are connected, is because the longer one thinks about something, the less stupid the response will be! Whether someone makes a stupid (or non-stupid) post has no coherent relationship with IQ. IQ is measured and evaluated differently, and something as subjective as posts on an MMO forum have no correlation whatsoever to a measurable standard of cognitive processing. ~ Please support a yellow jumpsuit for me (and everyone else). Thank you! ~
Tassin en Lone University of Caille Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2014.08.30 22:15:00 - [93] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: I feel like DJ's reply actually has nothing to do with my post ... ... and when people start replying to his opinion ... ... they are completely missing the point. DJ missed it as well. You were quite complete in your dissection of the human brain. I can't add anything to it, but I can expand on the reasons as to why there is so much negativity on these forums, as can DJ. Carebear Extraordinaire
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9290	Posted - 2014.08.30 22:17:00 - [94] - Quote Sibyyl wrote: cut for space I do not read that article, because I do not agree with what is considered "intelligence". I do not consider people intelligent, who are so unaware of themselves, that they fall into long periods of automatic, pattern based behaviour. People who keep responding to each others posts over and over again, for example. Like the people who mindlessly fight, until one slaps the other. "Intelligence" is the wrong word. Personally, I would call it lack of self awareness. And in my personal context, that makes a person pretty stupid. That's an opinion that does not necessarily mean someone is stupid all the time, but I do tend to consider people who lack proper awareness levels to lack intelligence. And I do realise it's not intelligence in the sense people usually mean. I have reasons. Anyhow ... Why? Because the person is unable to form a conscious thought. Is unable to process anything that does not fit the saved mental patterns. Is completely locked up in what he believes is true. Rejects anything that is trying to be said, because it does not fit the saved mental patterns. I do believe that my post was born rather out of a need to express wtf is going on, than to actually talk about some irrelevant article that does not help anyone learn anything about themselves. If my post even only made a single person more aware of itself, then it was a success. It definitely made one person so far more aware about me, which is a personal win I did not actually expect. Not in the slightest. If I consider what people seem to think is "intellect" then that would mean that a person can be intelligent even when it's a person that does not have any conscious thought at all and simply behaves like a mindless robot. No? Oh btw, simply calling it a "knee-jerk reaction" is also missing the point. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961
Sibyyl Gallente Federation 9330	Posted - 2014.08.30 22:24:00 - [95] - Quote "Intelligence" and IQ are two different concepts, and people incorrectly treat them as synonyms. Mixing intelligence and IQ is a mistake the OP has already made. We could debate all day about what "intelligence" means, since it is an extremely subjective word. Is it social intelligence? Business intelligence? Ability to play chess? Ability to play Starcraft? It opens the question to an endless amount of criteria. IQ, on the other hand is a fairly standardized test, measuring very specific aspects of cognitive processing. I personally would be very cautious about debating intelligence. I think it is too subjective and too general of a topic to expect any real agreement. ~ Please support a yellow jumpsuit for me (and everyone else). Thank you! ~
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 24223	Posted - 2014.08.30 22:30:00 - [96] - Quote Today's reading tip. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9291	Posted - 2014.08.30 22:31:00 - [97] - Quote Sibyyl wrote: "Intelligence" and IQ are two different concepts, and people incorrectly treat them as synonyms. Mixing intelligence and IQ is a mistake the OP has already made. We could debate all day about what "intelligence" means, since it is an extremely subjective word. Is it social intelligence? Business intelligence? Ability to play chess? Ability to play Starcraft? It opens the question to an endless amount of criteria. IQ, on the other hand is a fairly standardized test, measuring very specific aspects of cognitive processing. I personally would be very cautious about debating intelligence. I think it is too subjective and too general of a topic to expect any real agreement. I agree with the lack of real agreement about what "intelligence" means. I do believe though, that it is important to have a term for this. "Lack of self awareness" actually hits it nails on ... ... and I am still waiting for someone to realise. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9291	Posted - 2014.08.30 22:35:00 - [98] - Quote Tippia wrote: Today's reading tip. Thank you for your post! And I am not getting disected, chewed, and spit out by you! Yay! :D http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961
Sibyyl Gallente Federation 9334	Posted - 2014.08.30 22:39:00 - [99] - Quote Personally I enjoy getting killed by Tippia's digestive juices. It is usually an educational experience. ~ Please support a yellow jumpsuit for me (and everyone else). Thank you! ~
Ria Nieyli 19818	Posted - 2014.08.30 22:42:00 - [100] - Quote This thread just keeps getting worse. And all roads lead to Tranquility Base, where the frown on my face disappears...

Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9291	Posted - 2014.08.30 22:44:00 - [101] - Quote Still waiting for someone with a proper awareness level. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarlacc ... see below) http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 24224	Posted - 2014.08.30 22:45:00 - [102] - Quote What am I, some kind of forum Sarlacc all of a sudden? =ƒÆÇ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Tassin en Lone University of Caille Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2014.08.30 22:57:00 - [103] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Still waiting for someone with a proper awareness level. I'm aware that the above comment is a tad condescending. Carebear Extraordinaire
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9333	Posted - 2014.08.30 23:19:00 - [104] - Quote Tassin en Lone wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Still waiting for someone with a proper awareness level. I'm aware that the above comment is a tad condescending. That's not my fault. That's an issue you have with yourself. The problem is that people are not aware of this, which makes them believe that I somehow look down onto them. That is simply not the case, no matter if you believe it or not. It is far more often not the case than most people would believe ... ... or would want to believe. Okay? http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961
Derrick Miles EVENumbers 4443	Posted - 2014.08.30 23:22:00 - [105] - Quote I think that Eve and it's complexity attracts older, and more patient, people. That means the maturity level is higher, but I don't think that necessarily implies a higher intelligence than other gaming communities.
Whittorical Quandary The Asteroid is Depleted Cucarachas Enojadas 9	Posted - 2014.08.30 23:28:00 - [106] - Quote More complexity with fewer people should make average IQ go up. If enough people quit the game, the averae IQ should go back to prior levels. If it went even less, everyone would be able to consider themsleves brilliant, as all the people who were considered stupid, had all left and only the elite remain. Quote: People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do. Isaac Asimov A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -Douglas Adams
Jon Joringer Bushido. 139	Posted - 2014.08.30 23:37:00 - [107] - Quote There do seem to be a lot of people who like to act very immature/childish, though I won't presume to know if they are just acting or really are like that. I've only been playing since '11, so I don't know what the playerbase was generally like, but I will say that I was (and still am) surprised by the number of people who act childish and use text spelling (my thoughts back then, when I started playing, were 'I thought this game's playerbase was supposed to be intelligent').
Calamity Jayne Utama State War Academy Caldari State 4	Posted - 2014.08.30 23:52:00 - [108] - Quote Yes
Absolutely Not Analt Caldari Provisions Caldari State 21	Posted - 2014.08.30 23:54:00 - [109] - Quote The apparent average IQ of any group of people is inversely proportional to the size of the group. The IQ of the individual members fails to be important once a group reaches a certain critical size, because of a phenomenon known as group think. Eve is a multi player game.-áAnd you are the content. - Ralph King-Griffin
Chopper Rollins Lantean Empire 953	Posted - 2014.08.31 00:16:00 - [110] - Quote Note to self: Mention IQ in thread title, watch all the ugliest fish ambush the tasteless bait. Oh, and Sol, could you not? Pretty sure you're not trolling so it seems your fedora has eaten your brain. No more books, please, no more. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.

Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 24227	Posted - 2014.08.31 00:26:00 - [111] - Quote Absolutely Not Analt wrote: The IQ of the individual members fails to be important once a group reaches a certain critical size, because of a phenomenon known as group think. Group think can be overcome, though, and it's not even all that difficult if you design for it. It's more likely that clique:ing and newgroup syndrome kicks in in a group of this size and composition. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9336	Posted - 2014.08.31 00:33:00 - [112] - Quote Chopper Rollins wrote: Note to self: Mention IQ in thread title, watch all the ugliest fish ambush the tasteless bait. Oh, and Sol, could you not? Pretty sure you're not trolling so it seems your fedora has eaten your brain. No more books, please, no more. What are you talking about? I do not cite or talk out of books. I link to things from the internet to save time ... ... and/or to try to make it easier for people to understand ... ... or try to help myself explain things. It was Tippia who posted a book. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6397	Posted - 2014.08.31 00:40:00 - [113] - Quote Tippia wrote: Absolutely Not Analt wrote: The IQ of the individual members fails to be important once a group reaches a certain critical size, because of a phenomenon known as group think. Group think can be overcome, though, and it's not even all that difficult if you design for it. It's more likely that clique:ing and newgroup syndrome kicks in in a group of this size and composition. Nah, I'm pretty sure it's a strength in some setups. Have you seen the way we fit our fleet ships, as opposed to say the ratting ships ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 24227	Posted - 2014.08.31 00:44:00 - [114] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Nah, I'm pretty sure it's a strength in some setups. Have you seen the way we fit our fleet ships, as opposed to say the ratting ships WeeeellGÇª there's a difference between SOP and best practices on one hand, and actual groupthink. If there are good ideas and bad ideas, and people trend toward the former, that's more a case of people not being stupid just for the sake of itGÇª GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Miko Jin University of Caille Gallente Federation 85	Posted - 2014.08.31 00:44:00 - [115] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Chopper Rollins wrote: Note to self: Mention IQ in thread title, watch all the ugliest fish ambush the tasteless bait. Oh, and Sol, could you not? Pretty sure you're not trolling so it seems your fedora has eaten your brain. No more books, please, no more. What are you talking about? I do not cite or talk out of books. I link to things from the internet to save time ... ... and/or to try to make it easier for people to understand ... ... or try to help myself explain things. It was Tippia who posted a book. As previously posted this is just Pseudo intellectual opinion. And also very patronising
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9337	Posted - 2014.08.31 01:13:00 - [116] - Quote It's nice of you , miko, that you keep following me around. your posts already got deleted from the yellow-thread i have already petitioned you. it's nice that you put so much attention into me, and i enjoy knowing that you pointlessly try to make your weak mind feel better. feel free to continue following me around. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 11381	Posted - 2014.08.31 01:31:00 - [117] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Still waiting for someone with a proper awareness level. I already posted on page 1. Not bothering to get involved in the debate about what constitutes intelligence though. It, like pornography and life itself, is something I can identify when I see it, but not really define it to any satisfactory degree. Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Vyl Vit 711	Posted - 2014.08.31 06:26:00 - [118] - Quote How many fingers am I holding up? Anyone with any sense has already left town.
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds 4390	Posted - 2014.08.31 09:40:00 - [119] - Quote LazyDeer wrote: I read the forums every now and then and all I see is so many players crying about game mechanics. Like ganking haulers and miners, scams in jita, Wardecs being a greifer tool, High sec not safe and more. Thing is, this has been going on all the time, and puzzles me how people can't learn from the past? So is EVE's overall IQ dropping? Yes, because a very very small fraction of retards posting on the forums is a good sample size of the global EVE playerbase. Statistics Personal channel: *Crazy Dutch Guy* Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road
Miko Jin University of Caille Gallente Federation 88	Posted - 2014.08.31 10:37:00 - [120] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: It's nice of you , miko, that you keep following me around. your posts already got deleted from the yellow-thread and i have already petitioned you. it's nice that you put so much attention into me, and i enjoy knowing that you pointlessly try to make your weak mind feel better. feel free to continue trying to gather any usefull reaction from me. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7Eqivizmjj0/UtIq73yfQUI/AAAAAAAAI2M/WaNhYLdjwxc/s1600/Animated-GIFS-the-joker-1971583-400-233.gif

Babylonian Harlot Bad Girl Posse 0	Posted - 2014.08.31 11:04:00 - [121] - Quote LazyDeer wrote: I read the forums every now and then and all I see is so many players crying about game mechanics. Like ganking haulers and miners, scams in jita, Wardecs being a greifer tool, High sec not safe and more. Thing is, this has been going on all the time, and puzzles me how people can't learn from the past? So is EVE's overall IQ dropping? No, you see so many people replying to these threads. Over and over and over and over. Much like this thread it's the replies that keep it on page one and much like this thread it's alive because it's easier to look down on others. Most of the EVE Online community are very bright. Smart enough to stay the **** away from GD.
virm pasuul Mine 'N' Refine Yulai Federation 155	Posted - 2014.08.31 12:01:00 - [122] - Quote LazyDeer wrote: I read the forums every now and then and all I see is so many players crying about game mechanics. Like ganking haulers and miners, scams in jita, Wardecs being a greifer tool, High sec not safe and more. Thing is, this has been going on all the time, and puzzles me how people can't learn from the past? So is EVE's overall IQ dropping? They are making computers easier and easier for stupid people to use. The effects you are observing are a direct result of this. Personally I think it's very irresponsible of them.
Zimmy Zeta Lisa Needs Braces. 46273	Posted - 2014.08.31 12:08:00 - [123] - Quote I was just browsing through my imgur page and found this from quite a while back...just sharing it again since it somehow fits into this thread. I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R. 382	Posted - 2014.08.31 13:05:00 - [124] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: LazyDeer wrote: Carlos Brutus wrote: Are you for some reason under the impression that it's always the same players playing the game or posting on the forums? There's this thing called turnover. Though maybe you're right about the IQ thing in that the smart people are probably leaving Eve. I am implying that as EVE's player base grows the overall IQ seems to be going down with more and more players. The average IQ of the EVE player base has probably not changed significantly in a long time. It's also fair to say that the average IQ of the player base is probably higher than that of the general population, so I'd guess... 105? 110? Somewhere around there. Lulz I am not an alt of Chribba.

ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 2020	Posted - 2014.08.31 15:54:00 - [125] - Quote Unless every single EvE player has a mandatory IQ test done under professional supervision, no one can give a definitive answer to the question the OP poses. As such (and as this thread shows) only estimates, guesses, personal opinions, etcetera can be given. Asking this question also leads to accusations against other posters of being dumb, dumber than most or the dumbest EvE player ever or variations thereof. Keeping this thread open will therefore lead to having to moderate it ad infinitum, thus leaving me only one option: Thread locked. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department



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