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LazyDeer Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 15	Posted - 2014.08.30 04:42:00 - [1] - Quote I read the forums every now and then and all I see is so many players crying about game mechanics. Like ganking haulers and miners, scams in jita, Wardecs being a greifer tool, High sec not safe and more. Thing is, this has been going on all the time, and puzzles me how people can't learn from the past? So is EVE's overall IQ dropping?
bacon lettuce tomato 15	Posted - 2014.08.30 04:44:00 - [2] - Quote Those posts have always been there, so IQs are at least where they were before. Maybe they were always lower than you originally assumed.
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 1094	Posted - 2014.08.30 04:45:00 - [3] - Quote Well, there always used to be posts like that, but I'd swear they are more frequent now than they were the last few times I've come back, closer to the frequency they had years ago. [witty image] - Stream
Carlos Brutus Limitless Inc. Holdings 1	Posted - 2014.08.30 04:47:00 - [4] - Quote Are you for some reason under the impression that it's always the same players playing the game or posting on the forums? There's this thing called turnover. Though maybe you're right about the IQ thing in that the smart people are probably leaving Eve.
LazyDeer Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 15	Posted - 2014.08.30 04:49:00 - [5] - Quote So I have been playing a couple years now on different characters and I see more post about this crap with there being WAY more guides and information out there to help now a days. Before information was there but didn't slap you in the face and or was confusing.
Ioci Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums 517	Posted - 2014.08.30 04:50:00 - [6] - Quote It isn't the complaints I find simplistic. It's the presumptuous replies. R.I.P. Vile Rat
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 11372	Posted - 2014.08.30 04:50:00 - [7] - Quote Carlos Brutus wrote: Though maybe you're right about the IQ thing in that the smart people are probably leaving Eve. I'm still here. Tippia's still here. There's a lot of smart people who are still playing. Enjoying the rain today? ;)
LazyDeer Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 15	Posted - 2014.08.30 04:51:00 - [8] - Quote Carlos Brutus wrote: Are you for some reason under the impression that it's always the same players playing the game or posting on the forums? There's this thing called turnover. Though maybe you're right about the IQ thing in that the smart people are probably leaving Eve. I am implying that as EVE's player base grows the overall IQ seems to be going down with more and more players.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 11373	Posted - 2014.08.30 04:58:00 - [9] - Quote LazyDeer wrote: Carlos Brutus wrote: Are you for some reason under the impression that it's always the same players playing the game or posting on the forums? There's this thing called turnover. Though maybe you're right about the IQ thing in that the smart people are probably leaving Eve. I am implying that as EVE's player base grows the overall IQ seems to be going down with more and more players. The average IQ of the EVE player base has probably not changed significantly in a long time. It's also fair to say that the average IQ of the player base is probably higher than that of the general population, so I'd guess... 105? 110? Somewhere around there. Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 9344	Posted - 2014.08.30 05:00:00 - [10] - Quote IQ? No clue. BMI? Definitely has not gone down. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." Clean Up Local 2014.-á

Sobaan Tali Caldari Quick Reaction Force 350	Posted - 2014.08.30 05:03:00 - [11] - Quote I've always said the world's overall IQ has been on a steady decline since the internet came around. Does that count?
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 6236	Posted - 2014.08.30 05:07:00 - [12] - Quote I.Q. too STRONK! G¥ÜGûêGòÉGòÉGûêG¥Ü Replace with shiptoasting.. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Charax Bouclier Emerald Drama Theatrics 23	Posted - 2014.08.30 05:46:00 - [13] - Quote I blame you lazy vets for failing to subjugate these whiners to keep their mewlings at a minimum. Fortunately, it looks like James 315, Saviour of the Universe, is stepping up to the plate to rectify these matters.
Cancel Align NOW Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 89	Posted - 2014.08.30 06:00:00 - [14] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Tippia's still here. There's a lot of smart people who are still playing. FTFY
Sisohiv Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 237	Posted - 2014.08.30 06:42:00 - [15] - Quote The IQ requirements have been reduced. In the Gallente Federation there are 'Mother corporations'. One such 'Mother Corp' is Quafe. Quafe owns several smaller corps that they use for specific aspects of their corporate objectives. Material Acquisitions is their mining and refining corporation. It's a Satellite corporation with very specific jobs, done for Quafe Corporation. This is one example of the structure of New Eden. All corporations fit in to groups and satellite groups like this. It all meant something at one time. Now it's just fog. Getting standing with Quafe won't get you standings with Material Acquisition and getting standings with MA won't get you a secondary standings boost with Quafe. You really don't need standings with MA because all the things MA offer, Quafe offer as well. It was all nullified when they introduced the LP store and then reduced the types of missions we do. One of the reasons Crius was less than spectacular is all this corporate intricacy has no impact on infrastructure or bonus in the decisions we make. It's all in a one size fits all formula and most of the complexity was phased out. Any potential for expanding this complexity is also gone. Consider BPO distribution. How different would the EVE manufacturing scene be if you had been required to figure out who owns BPO's and if you were required to get standings to obtain those BPO's as they define trade secrets? Has the Overall IQ of EVE itself gone down, is the question.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 9347	Posted - 2014.08.30 06:53:00 - [16] - Quote Sisohiv wrote: One of the reasons Crius was less than spectacular is all this ~~corporate intricacy~~ corpulent intimacy And we're back on my topic again. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." Clean Up Local 2014.-á
Gerald Sphinx The Irukandji The Irukandji. 69	Posted - 2014.08.30 07:05:00 - [17] - Quote I'm a smart player still playing Eve since 2008. Or at least I'm smart enough not to put myself into the front-page news of Mittani's ALOD articles.
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9227	Posted - 2014.08.30 07:08:00 - [18] - Quote Your question is too inaccurate to answer ... but I can help. For literally every evolving, interactive product with interest in growth ... ... there comes the point when it starts to 'mainstream' ... ... which means that overall quality has to go down ... ... so that the overall amount of participants can increase. It's easy to understand. At the beginning, EVE was hard. It had only a small playerbase which enjoyed this fact. As it was hard, it wasn't really something for the wider masses. Eventually, as you know, the game turned easier. You can call that 'less complicated' ... ... but I can argue about that. Let's coin it 'complexity'. It's vague enough ... ... but everyone gets the point. Fact of the matter is that obviously the level of 'complexity' has to go down so the amount of players can increase. Many people do not find time or interest in dealing with a level of 'complexity' above what they can easily manage. In the beginning, the game was really hard. Now, the game is less 'complex' and has more easy-way-in kind of things to do. Obviously the average IQ decreased as the number of people increased, because the number of easy-way-in things to do went up. Less 'complexity' means that it's more appealing to more people because there are less people interested in dealing with a higher amount of complexity. Even easier: As the number of players went up ... ... the average IQ went down ... ... because there are less smart people than dumb people. Also obviously the smart people who played when 'complexity' was high ... ... are mostly not playing anymore as the level of 'complexity' went down ... ... further lowering the average IQ. Hey it's still early here and this is the best I can come up with now. Over time, I have removed enough 'complexity' from this post ... ... to make it easily comprehendable for a wider range of people. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 1094	Posted - 2014.08.30 07:21:00 - [19] - Quote Sisohiv wrote: Consider BPO distribution. How different would the EVE manufacturing scene be if you had been required to figure out who owns BPO's and if you were required to get standings to obtain those BPO's as they define trade secrets? Well there would be a lot more of grinding NPC content before you got to play the actual game, which is thankfully the opposite of the direction CCP is going in. [witty image] - Stream
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9227	Posted - 2014.08.30 07:35:00 - [20] - Quote Crumplecorn wrote: Solecist Project wrote: In the beginning, the game was really hard. Now, the game is less 'complex' and has more easy-way-in kind of things to do. Obviously the average IQ decreased as the number of people increased At the moment the number of people is decreasing if anything. Irrelevant to the point and not comparable to the huge increase over the last ten years. You are talking short-term, I am talking long-term. I can argue here that the game got too "less 'complex'" and starts to lose it's appeal ... ... or that the number of "less smart" people increased enough in the last years ... ... that it seemed like the game is growing, but these people don't stay long enough. There is not enough ground in reality to say anything about this, or I simply lack data to look at this properly. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961

Sisohiv Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 239	Posted - 2014.08.30 07:43:00 - [21] - Quote Crumplecorn wrote: Sisohiv wrote: Consider BPO distribution. How different would the EVE manufacturing scene be if you had been required to figure out who owns BPO's and if you were required to get standings to obtain those BPO's as they define trade secrets? Well there would be a lot more of grinding NPC content before you got to play the actual game, which is thankfully the opposite of the direction CCP is going in. CCP reduced the grind? Instead of grinding rep for a variety of entities, you can now focus grind LP and ISK in quest hubs but you will grind the same amount. And what ever happened to EVE is hard, HTFU? EVE is m'eh, wait for primary?
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9228	Posted - 2014.08.30 07:46:00 - [22] - Quote Sisohiv wrote: Crumplecorn wrote: Sisohiv wrote: Consider BPO distribution. How different would the EVE manufacturing scene be if you had been required to figure out who owns BPO's and if you were required to get standings to obtain those BPO's as they define trade secrets? Well there would be a lot more of grinding NPC content before you got to play the actual game, which is thankfully the opposite of the direction CCP is going in. CCP reduced the grind? Instead of grinding rep for a variety of entities, you can now focus grind LP and ISK in quest hubs but you will grind the same amount. And what ever happened to EVE is hard, HTFU? EVE is m'eh, wait for primary? More easy-way-in things to do which give an enough satisfying reward. At the bottom of it, I guess we could say that the amount of 'arcade' type of things to do increased. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961
Sisohiv Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 239	Posted - 2014.08.30 08:03:00 - [23] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Sisohiv wrote: Crumplecorn wrote: Sisohiv wrote: Consider BPO distribution. How different would the EVE manufacturing scene be if you had been required to figure out who owns BPO's and if you were required to get standings to obtain those BPO's as they define trade secrets? Well there would be a lot more of grinding NPC content before you got to play the actual game, which is thankfully the opposite of the direction CCP is going in. CCP reduced the grind? Instead of grinding rep for a variety of entities, you can now focus grind LP and ISK in quest hubs but you will grind the same amount. And what ever happened to EVE is hard, HTFU? EVE is m'eh, wait for primary? More easy-way-in things to do which give an enough satisfying reward. At the bottom of it, I guess we could say that the amount of 'arcade' type of things to do increased. Perhaps but they threw a lot of EVE away. Crius does give them a chance to bring that back. Using the Material Acquisition example again, they are a refinery and mining corporation. The new refinery base allows for bonuses to apply to those very niche corporations in EVE. Much like these Manufacturing teams open up a possibility for Null players. Players in deep null could in theory host an agent from an Empire corporation at their outpost. If they had the standings to facilitate the deal. A 48 hr Lai Dai, level 5 Sec agent in Deklein. What some call Grind can unlock welcome content for others.
Sykaotic Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 15	Posted - 2014.08.30 08:30:00 - [24] - Quote A monkey could play this game 5 years ago.... nothing has changed in game, but the content of the forums have been replaced with the content of a handful of low IQ forum trolls. "I hear the directors of Genetic Control have been buying all the properties that have recently been sold, taking risks oh so bold. It's said now that people will be shorter in height, they can fit twice as many in the same building site." Reminds me of the forum trolls aka self important pseudo directors of Genetic Control.... they are the ones who should Go Go go.
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9233	Posted - 2014.08.30 08:45:00 - [25] - Quote Regading to the poster above I can only say ... If a monkey starts looking into a book ... ... it doesn't mean a genius will come out of it. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961
Anndy The Evocati 95	Posted - 2014.08.30 09:05:00 - [26] - Quote LazyDeer wrote: I read the forums every now and then and all I see is so many players crying about game mechanics. Like ganking haulers and miners, scams in jita, Wardecs being a greifer tool, High sec not safe and more. Thing is, this has been going on all the time, and puzzles me how people can't learn from the past? So is EVE's overall IQ dropping? more people running around ganking = more posts about it
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9235	Posted - 2014.08.30 09:12:00 - [27] - Quote LazyDeer wrote: I read the forums every now and then and all I see is so many players crying about game mechanics. Like ganking haulers and miners, scams in jita, Wardecs being a greifer tool, High sec not safe and more. Thing is, this has been going on all the time, and puzzles me how people can't learn from the past? So is EVE's overall IQ dropping? Equating 'general people' with 'specific persons' makes no sense at all. So in context of your post ... regarding yourself ... you might be right. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961
Nick Starkey Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF 77	Posted - 2014.08.30 10:01:00 - [28] - Quote It's as low as always, as evidenced by the typical posters in this forum. It's just that the average percieved IQ is higher in Eve than in so many other games. DunningGÇôKruger effect is strong among most people here. ..
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 12876	Posted - 2014.08.30 10:12:00 - [29] - Quote Its not EVE, it humanity as a whole. idiocracy is now a documentary Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Solecist Project Mew Age Outpaws 9239	Posted - 2014.08.30 10:26:00 - [30] - Quote Nick Starkey wrote: It's as low as always, as evidenced by the typical posters in this forum. It's just that the average percieved IQ is higher in Eve than in so many other games. DunningGÇôKruger effect is strong among most people here. This ... baltec1 wrote: Its not EVE, it humanity as a whole. idiocracy is now a documentary ... and this, so much. Regarding to the upper post there are three famous words to add, which have become a sad reality. Ignorance is Strength. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961



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