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murder one
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:32:00 -
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Lets just imagine for a moment an extension of the Celestis concept to a BS level ship:
6/8/6 slot layout. 6 Missile hardpoints.
700 CPU, 15500 Grid.
675m3 Cargo.
125m3 Drone bay.
6000 Structure
5600 armor w/ 35/35/10/60 resists
6800 Shield w/ 20/40/60/0 resists
(therm, kin, exp, EM respectively)
5000 Capacitor w/ 1000 Sec. recharge.
100km Targeting range, 8 Max locked targets.
100mm scan resolution, 23 point Mag sensor strength.
475m Signature radius, 135m/sec Max. velocity.
BS bonus: 5% ROF to all missile launchers. +10% increase to Sensor damper Effectiveness, Optimal range, Falloff and Capacitor efficiency (i.e. 10% reduction in cap use per level).
Now how's *that* for an awesome BS?
Because I said so...
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Thud
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:38:00 -
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 Originally by: murder one
Lets just imagine for a moment an extension of the Celestis concept to a BS level ship:
Boring.
EW is always boring,shooting targets if they cant shoot back is more than boring.
Lets imagine a fast blaster ship with hybrid damage and MWD cap bonus.
Now,thats fun!
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murder one
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Thud
Originally by: murder one
Lets just imagine for a moment an extension of the Celestis concept to a BS level ship:
Boring.
EW is always boring,shooting targets if they cant shoot back is more than boring.
Lets imagine a fast blaster ship with hybrid damage and MWD cap bonus.
Now,thats fun!
It's ppl like yourself that make this game boring. You have no vision for the possibilities that this ship could produce. Go read DC's post about how useless MWD cap bonus will be on a BS.
Because I said so...
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FFGR
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:54:00 -
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A 5 bonus missile boat BS with 15.5k grid and 700 CPU ?
that would be a nice "I Win" button 
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murder one
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: FFGR
A 5 bonus missile boat BS with 15.5k grid and 700 CPU ?
that would be a nice "I Win" button
No, not a 5 bonus ship. The 2nd bonus is 10% improvement to all attributes of Sensor damps, similar to a Domi's 10% bonus to drone damage/hitpoints per level. Single bonus affecting more than one aspect of the same thing it's giving the bonus to.
Because I said so...
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Darpz
Rampage Eternal
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Posted - 2006.07.27 13:07:00 -
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Edited by: Darpz on 27/07/2006 13:13:33
Edited by: Darpz on 27/07/2006 13:08:21
make the domi a EW boat instead of a Drone boat
make the Slot Layout 6/6/6
changer the bonus to 5% Damp Effectiveness and 10% damp falloff
leave it with a 200m3 drone bay bay so it would still make a great solo ship just with less dps
and make the hyperion the drone boat
slot layout 6/4/8
Bonus first bonus would be same as domi except it effects logitics and ew drones also
second bonus would be 7.5% rep amount per level.
dronebay equal to the current domi
enough grid for with max skills 6 heavy nos and 1 Large rep (if the pilot wants an injector or a second rep it wll need a fitting mod)
you do this and the caldari can have there uber sniper ship and I won't complain
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Thud
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Posted - 2006.07.27 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
It's ppl like yourself that make this game boring. You have no vision for the possibilities that this ship could produce. Go read DC's post about how useless MWD cap bonus will be on a BS.
O realy?
well,lets have a look at "your" ship.
You have 8 mid for ew,like the scorp,but you have 6 low,enough for a decent armor tank.
And you have a damage bonus to missiles + very big dronbay,so you have a damage output too.
Than,your damper bonus is mutch better than the celestis damper bonus.
So,you would like a ship that has horrible good at ew has a good armor tank and a nice damage output?
All in one.
Well sounds like a i-win button to me,and flying i-win buttons IS boring.
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Exiled One
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.27 13:41:00 -
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Moa > Rokh
Celestis > gallente tier 3
arbitrator > amarr tier 3
DEVS WAKE THE F. UP.
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murder one
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Darpz
Edited by: Darpz on 27/07/2006 13:13:33
Edited by: Darpz on 27/07/2006 13:08:21
make the domi a EW boat instead of a Drone boat
make the Slot Layout 6/6/6
changer the bonus to 5% Damp Effectiveness and 10% damp falloff
leave it with a 200m3 drone bay bay so it would still make a great solo ship just with less dps
and make the hyperion the drone boat
slot layout 6/4/8
Bonus first bonus would be same as domi except it effects logitics and ew drones also
second bonus would be 7.5% rep amount per level.
dronebay equal to the current domi
enough grid for with max skills 6 heavy nos and 1 Large rep (if the pilot wants an injector or a second rep it wll need a fitting mod)
you do this and the caldari can have there uber sniper ship and I won't complain
Why erase 2 slots off a Tier3 BS? I want this BS to have just as many slots as the other 3 Tier3 BS.
I don't want another drone boat. Have the Domi for that. I want something different and unique. And I don't want an EW only drone bonus. Maybe if it had a drone 'effectiveness' bonus of 10% per level, so that combat drones recieve a damage bonus when used, and EW drones recieve an effectiveness bonus when used.
7.5% rep effectiveness per level? Why not make it a 7.5% armor resist increase per level? Much more efficient that way, no?
Because I said so...
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Juan Andalusian
TAOSP
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Posted - 2006.07.27 13:49:00 -
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Very nice concept i am sure that when player corps can design their own ships this will be the Burn Eden pattent.
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wierchas noobhunter
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.27 13:57:00 -
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die
join col ! now |
murder one
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Thud
Originally by: murder one
It's ppl like yourself that make this game boring. You have no vision for the possibilities that this ship could produce. Go read DC's post about how useless MWD cap bonus will be on a BS.
O realy?
well,lets have a look at "your" ship.
You have 8 mid for ew,like the scorp,but you have 6 low,enough for a decent armor tank.
And you have a damage bonus to missiles + very big dronbay,so you have a damage output too.
Than,your damper bonus is mutch better than the celestis damper bonus.
So,you would like a ship that has horrible good at ew has a good armor tank and a nice damage output?
All in one.
Well sounds like a i-win button to me,and flying i-win buttons IS boring.
I just based all my ship's design parameters off of the existing Tier3 BS's stats. Grid/CPU/cargo, drone bay, slots- all keeping within existing Tier3 stats. Nothing excessive.
The ship gets 1 damage bonus (missiles) and 1 'speciality' bonus (damps). Large drone bays? IMO 125m3 isn't that "large" for a Gallente BS. IMO it's "average" when you consider that between the other 2 Gal BS 125m3 is the smallest of the two.
My design has the exact same slot count as the other 4 BS. Why is it such a problem? What if I reduced the missile hardpoints to 4? Would that help? The only difference if I did that would be that people would simply fit 4x cruise and 2x heavy nos every time instead of fitting 4/2, 5/1 or 6/0 possibilities.
What if I reduced the drone bay to a paltry 75m3? That effecively cripples my drone DPS by 40%. 40%! Nearly half! Oh right, the Hyperion has a 75m3 drone bay. What **was** I thinking?! It's Gallente, lets not have a decent drone bay to take advantage of our drone skills!
Both the proposed bonuses are "real" bonuses. Not some kind of fake useless lame bonus that won't net any real result in the field.
Is it possible that while working within the existing constraints of the current Tier3 design parameters I've come up with a BS that's so good as to be completely unbeatable? If Gallente can't have a BS like this, how come Caldari players will be alllowed to get the Rokh?
Because I said so...
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murder one
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 13:58:00 -
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Edited by: murder one on 27/07/2006 13:58:25
sucky forums and double posts ftl
Because I said so...
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Darpz
Rampage Eternal
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Posted - 2006.07.27 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Darpz
Edited by: Darpz on 27/07/2006 13:13:33
Edited by: Darpz on 27/07/2006 13:08:21
make the domi a EW boat instead of a Drone boat
make the Slot Layout 6/6/6
changer the bonus to 5% Damp Effectiveness and 10% damp falloff
leave it with a 200m3 drone bay bay so it would still make a great solo ship just with less dps
and make the hyperion the drone boat
slot layout 6/4/8
Bonus first bonus would be same as domi except it effects logitics and ew drones also
second bonus would be 7.5% rep amount per level.
dronebay equal to the current domi
enough grid for with max skills 6 heavy nos and 1 Large rep (if the pilot wants an injector or a second rep it wll need a fitting mod)
you do this and the caldari can have there uber sniper ship and I won't complain
Why erase 2 slots off a Tier3 BS? I want this BS to have just as many slots as the other 3 Tier3 BS.
I don't want another drone boat. Have the Domi for that. I want something different and unique. And I don't want an EW only drone bonus. Maybe if it had a drone 'effectiveness' bonus of 10% per level, so that combat drones recieve a damage bonus when used, and EW drones recieve an effectiveness bonus when used.
7.5% rep effectiveness per level? Why not make it a 7.5% armor resist increase per level? Much more efficient that way, no?
the 7.5% rep amount is the racial tanking bonus for gal so it would make sence
I meant the drone bonus as it would be the same bonus the domi currently gets but also includes other drones instead of just damage drones
traditionally drone boats lose 1 slot to make up for there large drone bays. the ship would be to overpowerd with 5 mids (think domi ew ship but more tank and nos) maybe give it a layout of 7/4/8
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Exiled One
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.27 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: wierchas noobhunter
die
Alot of caldari went gailante when megathron was the favour of the month and now you pussies don't want to train some more because you'll be like bla bla bla skillpoints wasted on my neutron cannons II
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:06:00 -
[16]
DIE
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Exiled One
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:07:00 -
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 Gallente tier 3 bs -- http://www.eve-online.com/itemdatabase/ships/cruisers/gallente/633.asp
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murder one
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
DIE
To whom are you speaking?
Because I said so...
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
DIE
To whom are you speaking?
You, The Hyperion should be/stay a blasterboat. If it gets two extra mid slots and a sensor damp bonus thats fine, itll be usefull to keep your enemy busy while you mwd into range.
Of course, neither the damage bonus nor the mwd bonus is worth trading in so it should stay the way it is.
The only things that should change are one of the following:
- Small cap/High regen instead of Large cap and low regen.
- Larger cargobay for cap boosters so it can last longer without having to go back for charges.
- Megathron sized drone bay
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Exiled One
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
DIE
To whom are you speaking?
You, The Hyperion should be/stay a blasterboat. If it gets two extra mid slots and a sensor damp bonus thats fine, itll be usefull to keep your enemy busy while you mwd into range.
Of course, neither the damage bonus nor the mwd bonus is worth trading in so it should stay the way it is.
The only things that should change are one of the following:
- Small cap/High regen instead of Large cap and low regen.
- Larger cargobay for cap boosters so it can last longer without having to go back for charges.
- Megathron sized drone bay
SHOULD BE SHOULD BE -- you have no idea about eve ships.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Exiled One
SHOULD BE SHOULD BE -- you have no idea about eve ships.
Says the guy who wants to give the Gallente a ****ty missile ship.
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Exiled One
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:18:00 -
[22]
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Exiled One
SHOULD BE SHOULD BE -- you have no idea about eve ships.
Says the guy who wants to give the Gallente a ****ty missile ship.
1. Never said anything about any missile ships
2. You wasted 1.5 months training for you blasters II
3. You probably wasted 2 weeks maxing out mwd related skills.
4. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT A CELESTIS IS?
BOO ******* HOO i wasted 3 months training don't make me train some more. WELCOME.
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murder one
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:18:00 -
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Edited by: murder one on 27/07/2006 14:21:30
Originally by: Darpz
*snip*
the 7.5% rep amount is the racial tanking bonus for gal so it would make sence
I meant the drone bonus as it would be the same bonus the domi currently gets but also includes other drones instead of just damage drones
traditionally drone boats lose 1 slot to make up for there large drone bays. the ship would be to overpowerd with 5 mids (think domi ew ship but more tank and nos) maybe give it a layout of 7/4/8 [/quote
My point is darpz to not think 'traditionally' (like the rep efficiency bonus) and to think outside the box a little bit.
Granted I misunderstood your drone bonus (i.e. you wanted it like how I described it) I'd swap that for missile bonus and then have damp/drone bonus w/ missile hardpoints. Remove a slot due to the now large (200m3) drone bay? Ok. Lets remove a high slot so it's 5/8/6 w/ 4 missile hardpoints and one utility slot.
How is that for compromise? Really big celestis?
Because I said so...
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Exiled One
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Exiled One
SHOULD BE SHOULD BE -- you have no idea about eve ships.
Says the guy who wants to give the Gallente a ****ty missile ship.
1. Never said anything about any missile ships
2. You wasted 1.5 months training for you blasters II
3. You probably wasted 2 weeks maxing out mwd related skills.
4. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT A CELESTIS IS?
BOO ******* HOO i wasted 3 months training don't make me train some more. WELCOME.
1. Both you and the OP want to turn the Hyperion into a half arsed Ewar ship, he wants missiles you want turrets, in the end itll still be the primary and boring to fly.
2. Training all the Blaster spec skills took a lot longer then 1.5 months, i however do not consider them wasted since all i fly is Gallente blaster ships anyway.
3. Al moast all of them maxed out, which took me a lot longer then 2 weeks.
4. Want to fly a bigger celestis? Get an Arazu like the rest of us and leave the Hyperion to become the ultimate Blaster Battleship.
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:26:00 -
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Why, when people invent their own ships, do they always overpower them ridiculously?
If you ever want to be taken seriously, think before comitting ideas to the forum.
Originally by: Lord Violent
EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid being catered to by devs, as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
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Exiled One
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Exiled One
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Exiled One
SHOULD BE SHOULD BE -- you have no idea about eve ships.
Says the guy who wants to give the Gallente a ****ty missile ship.
1. Never said anything about any missile ships
2. You wasted 1.5 months training for you blasters II
3. You probably wasted 2 weeks maxing out mwd related skills.
4. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT A CELESTIS IS?
BOO ******* HOO i wasted 3 months training don't make me train some more. WELCOME.
1. Both you and the OP want to turn the Hyperion into a half arsed Ewar ship, he wants missiles you want turrets, in the end itll still be the primary and boring to fly.
2. Training all the Blaster spec skills took a lot longer then 1.5 months, i however do not consider them wasted since all i fly is Gallente blaster ships anyway.
3. Al moast all of them maxed out, which took me a lot longer then 2 weeks.
4. Want to fly a bigger celestis? Get an Arazu like the rest of us and leave the Hyperion to become the ultimate Blaster Battleship.
proved my point, bloody scared to train some more And go drink some quafe, because if CCP has a half brain tier 3 won't have such bonuses, believe me 
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wierchas noobhunter
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Exiled One
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Exiled One
SHOULD BE SHOULD BE -- you have no idea about eve ships.
Says the guy who wants to give the Gallente a ****ty missile ship.
1. Never said anything about any missile ships
2. You wasted 1.5 months training for you blasters II
3. You probably wasted 2 weeks maxing out mwd related skills.
4. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT A CELESTIS IS?
BOO ******* HOO i wasted 3 months training don't make me train some more. WELCOME.
1) you do
2) get a brains ?
3) ^^ k?
4) how on hell u canm say that celestis with 2 laucher slots can look like misile ship ? omg
just DIE
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Exiled One
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:38:00 -
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Edited by: Exiled One on 27/07/2006 14:38:22
Originally by: wierchas noobhunter
Originally by: Exiled One
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Exiled One
SHOULD BE SHOULD BE -- you have no idea about eve ships.
Says the guy who wants to give the Gallente a ****ty missile ship.
1. Never said anything about any missile ships
2. You wasted 1.5 months training for you blasters II
3. You probably wasted 2 weeks maxing out mwd related skills.
4. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT A CELESTIS IS?
BOO ******* HOO i wasted 3 months training don't make me train some more. WELCOME.
1) you do
2) get a brains ?
3) ^^ k?
4) how on hell u canm say that celestis with 2 laucher slots can look like misile ship ? omg
just DIE
Read here: http://www.eve-online.com/itemdatabase/ships/cruisers/gallente/633.asp
EVE really went down the ****ter, when old skool devs moved to china.
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wierchas noobhunter
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Exiled One
Edited by: Exiled One on 27/07/2006 14:38:22
Originally by: wierchas noobhunter
Originally by: Exiled One
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Exiled One
SHOULD BE SHOULD BE -- you have no idea about eve ships.
Says the guy who wants to give the Gallente a ****ty missile ship.
1. Never said anything about any missile ships
2. You wasted 1.5 months training for you blasters II
3. You probably wasted 2 weeks maxing out mwd related skills.
4. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT A CELESTIS IS?
BOO ******* HOO i wasted 3 months training don't make me train some more. WELCOME.
1) you do
2) get a brains ?
3) ^^ k?
4) how on hell u canm say that celestis with 2 laucher slots can look like misile ship ? omg
just DIE
Read here: http://www.eve-online.com/itemdatabase/ships/cruisers/gallente/633.asp
EVE really went down the ****ter, when old skool devs moved to china.
i am so waiting for killrock to tell u his opinion abaut gal misile boat
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Exiled One
Who? another caldari/minmatar spec pilot that doesnt want to waste skillpoints down in the gallente ships/railgun tree? Or am I wrong?
a: Youre wrong.
b: Are you on drugs?
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