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murder one
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:32:00 -
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Lets just imagine for a moment an extension of the Celestis concept to a BS level ship:
6/8/6 slot layout. 6 Missile hardpoints.
700 CPU, 15500 Grid.
675m3 Cargo.
125m3 Drone bay.
6000 Structure
5600 armor w/ 35/35/10/60 resists
6800 Shield w/ 20/40/60/0 resists
(therm, kin, exp, EM respectively)
5000 Capacitor w/ 1000 Sec. recharge.
100km Targeting range, 8 Max locked targets.
100mm scan resolution, 23 point Mag sensor strength.
475m Signature radius, 135m/sec Max. velocity.
BS bonus: 5% ROF to all missile launchers. +10% increase to Sensor damper Effectiveness, Optimal range, Falloff and Capacitor efficiency (i.e. 10% reduction in cap use per level).
Now how's *that* for an awesome BS?
Because I said so...
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Thud
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:38:00 -
[2]
 Originally by: murder one
Lets just imagine for a moment an extension of the Celestis concept to a BS level ship:
Boring.
EW is always boring,shooting targets if they cant shoot back is more than boring.
Lets imagine a fast blaster ship with hybrid damage and MWD cap bonus.
Now,thats fun!
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murder one
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:52:00 -
[3]
Originally by: Thud
Originally by: murder one
Lets just imagine for a moment an extension of the Celestis concept to a BS level ship:
Boring.
EW is always boring,shooting targets if they cant shoot back is more than boring.
Lets imagine a fast blaster ship with hybrid damage and MWD cap bonus.
Now,thats fun!
It's ppl like yourself that make this game boring. You have no vision for the possibilities that this ship could produce. Go read DC's post about how useless MWD cap bonus will be on a BS.
Because I said so...
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FFGR
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:54:00 -
[4]
A 5 bonus missile boat BS with 15.5k grid and 700 CPU ?
that would be a nice "I Win" button 
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murder one
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 13:01:00 -
[5]
Originally by: FFGR
A 5 bonus missile boat BS with 15.5k grid and 700 CPU ?
that would be a nice "I Win" button
No, not a 5 bonus ship. The 2nd bonus is 10% improvement to all attributes of Sensor damps, similar to a Domi's 10% bonus to drone damage/hitpoints per level. Single bonus affecting more than one aspect of the same thing it's giving the bonus to.
Because I said so...
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Darpz
Rampage Eternal
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Posted - 2006.07.27 13:07:00 -
[6]
Edited by: Darpz on 27/07/2006 13:13:33
Edited by: Darpz on 27/07/2006 13:08:21
make the domi a EW boat instead of a Drone boat
make the Slot Layout 6/6/6
changer the bonus to 5% Damp Effectiveness and 10% damp falloff
leave it with a 200m3 drone bay bay so it would still make a great solo ship just with less dps
and make the hyperion the drone boat
slot layout 6/4/8
Bonus first bonus would be same as domi except it effects logitics and ew drones also
second bonus would be 7.5% rep amount per level.
dronebay equal to the current domi
enough grid for with max skills 6 heavy nos and 1 Large rep (if the pilot wants an injector or a second rep it wll need a fitting mod)
you do this and the caldari can have there uber sniper ship and I won't complain
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Thud
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Posted - 2006.07.27 13:41:00 -
[7]
Originally by: murder one
It's ppl like yourself that make this game boring. You have no vision for the possibilities that this ship could produce. Go read DC's post about how useless MWD cap bonus will be on a BS.
O realy?
well,lets have a look at "your" ship.
You have 8 mid for ew,like the scorp,but you have 6 low,enough for a decent armor tank.
And you have a damage bonus to missiles + very big dronbay,so you have a damage output too.
Than,your damper bonus is mutch better than the celestis damper bonus.
So,you would like a ship that has horrible good at ew has a good armor tank and a nice damage output?
All in one.
Well sounds like a i-win button to me,and flying i-win buttons IS boring.
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Exiled One
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.27 13:41:00 -
[8]
Moa > Rokh
Celestis > gallente tier 3
arbitrator > amarr tier 3
DEVS WAKE THE F. UP.
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murder one
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 13:46:00 -
[9]
Originally by: Darpz
Edited by: Darpz on 27/07/2006 13:13:33
Edited by: Darpz on 27/07/2006 13:08:21
make the domi a EW boat instead of a Drone boat
make the Slot Layout 6/6/6
changer the bonus to 5% Damp Effectiveness and 10% damp falloff
leave it with a 200m3 drone bay bay so it would still make a great solo ship just with less dps
and make the hyperion the drone boat
slot layout 6/4/8
Bonus first bonus would be same as domi except it effects logitics and ew drones also
second bonus would be 7.5% rep amount per level.
dronebay equal to the current domi
enough grid for with max skills 6 heavy nos and 1 Large rep (if the pilot wants an injector or a second rep it wll need a fitting mod)
you do this and the caldari can have there uber sniper ship and I won't complain
Why erase 2 slots off a Tier3 BS? I want this BS to have just as many slots as the other 3 Tier3 BS.
I don't want another drone boat. Have the Domi for that. I want something different and unique. And I don't want an EW only drone bonus. Maybe if it had a drone 'effectiveness' bonus of 10% per level, so that combat drones recieve a damage bonus when used, and EW drones recieve an effectiveness bonus when used.
7.5% rep effectiveness per level? Why not make it a 7.5% armor resist increase per level? Much more efficient that way, no?
Because I said so...
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Juan Andalusian
TAOSP
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Posted - 2006.07.27 13:49:00 -
[10]
Very nice concept i am sure that when player corps can design their own ships this will be the Burn Eden pattent.
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wierchas noobhunter
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.27 13:57:00 -
[11]
die
join col ! now |
murder one
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 13:57:00 -
[12]
Originally by: Thud
Originally by: murder one
It's ppl like yourself that make this game boring. You have no vision for the possibilities that this ship could produce. Go read DC's post about how useless MWD cap bonus will be on a BS.
O realy?
well,lets have a look at "your" ship.
You have 8 mid for ew,like the scorp,but you have 6 low,enough for a decent armor tank.
And you have a damage bonus to missiles + very big dronbay,so you have a damage output too.
Than,your damper bonus is mutch better than the celestis damper bonus.
So,you would like a ship that has horrible good at ew has a good armor tank and a nice damage output?
All in one.
Well sounds like a i-win button to me,and flying i-win buttons IS boring.
I just based all my ship's design parameters off of the existing Tier3 BS's stats. Grid/CPU/cargo, drone bay, slots- all keeping within existing Tier3 stats. Nothing excessive.
The ship gets 1 damage bonus (missiles) and 1 'speciality' bonus (damps). Large drone bays? IMO 125m3 isn't that "large" for a Gallente BS. IMO it's "average" when you consider that between the other 2 Gal BS 125m3 is the smallest of the two.
My design has the exact same slot count as the other 4 BS. Why is it such a problem? What if I reduced the missile hardpoints to 4? Would that help? The only difference if I did that would be that people would simply fit 4x cruise and 2x heavy nos every time instead of fitting 4/2, 5/1 or 6/0 possibilities.
What if I reduced the drone bay to a paltry 75m3? That effecively cripples my drone DPS by 40%. 40%! Nearly half! Oh right, the Hyperion has a 75m3 drone bay. What **was** I thinking?! It's Gallente, lets not have a decent drone bay to take advantage of our drone skills!
Both the proposed bonuses are "real" bonuses. Not some kind of fake useless lame bonus that won't net any real result in the field.
Is it possible that while working within the existing constraints of the current Tier3 design parameters I've come up with a BS that's so good as to be completely unbeatable? If Gallente can't have a BS like this, how come Caldari players will be alllowed to get the Rokh?
Because I said so...
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murder one
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 13:58:00 -
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Edited by: murder one on 27/07/2006 13:58:25
sucky forums and double posts ftl
Because I said so...
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Darpz
Rampage Eternal
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Posted - 2006.07.27 13:59:00 -
[14]
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Darpz
Edited by: Darpz on 27/07/2006 13:13:33
Edited by: Darpz on 27/07/2006 13:08:21
make the domi a EW boat instead of a Drone boat
make the Slot Layout 6/6/6
changer the bonus to 5% Damp Effectiveness and 10% damp falloff
leave it with a 200m3 drone bay bay so it would still make a great solo ship just with less dps
and make the hyperion the drone boat
slot layout 6/4/8
Bonus first bonus would be same as domi except it effects logitics and ew drones also
second bonus would be 7.5% rep amount per level.
dronebay equal to the current domi
enough grid for with max skills 6 heavy nos and 1 Large rep (if the pilot wants an injector or a second rep it wll need a fitting mod)
you do this and the caldari can have there uber sniper ship and I won't complain
Why erase 2 slots off a Tier3 BS? I want this BS to have just as many slots as the other 3 Tier3 BS.
I don't want another drone boat. Have the Domi for that. I want something different and unique. And I don't want an EW only drone bonus. Maybe if it had a drone 'effectiveness' bonus of 10% per level, so that combat drones recieve a damage bonus when used, and EW drones recieve an effectiveness bonus when used.
7.5% rep effectiveness per level? Why not make it a 7.5% armor resist increase per level? Much more efficient that way, no?
the 7.5% rep amount is the racial tanking bonus for gal so it would make sence
I meant the drone bonus as it would be the same bonus the domi currently gets but also includes other drones instead of just damage drones
traditionally drone boats lose 1 slot to make up for there large drone bays. the ship would be to overpowerd with 5 mids (think domi ew ship but more tank and nos) maybe give it a layout of 7/4/8
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Exiled One
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.27 13:59:00 -
[15]
Originally by: wierchas noobhunter
die
Alot of caldari went gailante when megathron was the favour of the month and now you pussies don't want to train some more because you'll be like bla bla bla skillpoints wasted on my neutron cannons II
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:06:00 -
[16]
DIE
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Exiled One
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:07:00 -
[17]
 Gallente tier 3 bs -- http://www.eve-online.com/itemdatabase/ships/cruisers/gallente/633.asp
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murder one
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:09:00 -
[18]
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
DIE
To whom are you speaking?
Because I said so...
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:13:00 -
[19]
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
DIE
To whom are you speaking?
You, The Hyperion should be/stay a blasterboat. If it gets two extra mid slots and a sensor damp bonus thats fine, itll be usefull to keep your enemy busy while you mwd into range.
Of course, neither the damage bonus nor the mwd bonus is worth trading in so it should stay the way it is.
The only things that should change are one of the following:
- Small cap/High regen instead of Large cap and low regen.
- Larger cargobay for cap boosters so it can last longer without having to go back for charges.
- Megathron sized drone bay
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Exiled One
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:15:00 -
[20]
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
DIE
To whom are you speaking?
You, The Hyperion should be/stay a blasterboat. If it gets two extra mid slots and a sensor damp bonus thats fine, itll be usefull to keep your enemy busy while you mwd into range.
Of course, neither the damage bonus nor the mwd bonus is worth trading in so it should stay the way it is.
The only things that should change are one of the following:
- Small cap/High regen instead of Large cap and low regen.
- Larger cargobay for cap boosters so it can last longer without having to go back for charges.
- Megathron sized drone bay
SHOULD BE SHOULD BE -- you have no idea about eve ships.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:16:00 -
[21]
Originally by: Exiled One
SHOULD BE SHOULD BE -- you have no idea about eve ships.
Says the guy who wants to give the Gallente a ****ty missile ship.
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Exiled One
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:18:00 -
[22]
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Exiled One
SHOULD BE SHOULD BE -- you have no idea about eve ships.
Says the guy who wants to give the Gallente a ****ty missile ship.
1. Never said anything about any missile ships
2. You wasted 1.5 months training for you blasters II
3. You probably wasted 2 weeks maxing out mwd related skills.
4. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT A CELESTIS IS?
BOO ******* HOO i wasted 3 months training don't make me train some more. WELCOME.
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murder one
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:18:00 -
[23]
Edited by: murder one on 27/07/2006 14:21:30
Originally by: Darpz
*snip*
the 7.5% rep amount is the racial tanking bonus for gal so it would make sence
I meant the drone bonus as it would be the same bonus the domi currently gets but also includes other drones instead of just damage drones
traditionally drone boats lose 1 slot to make up for there large drone bays. the ship would be to overpowerd with 5 mids (think domi ew ship but more tank and nos) maybe give it a layout of 7/4/8 [/quote
My point is darpz to not think 'traditionally' (like the rep efficiency bonus) and to think outside the box a little bit.
Granted I misunderstood your drone bonus (i.e. you wanted it like how I described it) I'd swap that for missile bonus and then have damp/drone bonus w/ missile hardpoints. Remove a slot due to the now large (200m3) drone bay? Ok. Lets remove a high slot so it's 5/8/6 w/ 4 missile hardpoints and one utility slot.
How is that for compromise? Really big celestis?
Because I said so...
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:24:00 -
[24]
Originally by: Exiled One
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Exiled One
SHOULD BE SHOULD BE -- you have no idea about eve ships.
Says the guy who wants to give the Gallente a ****ty missile ship.
1. Never said anything about any missile ships
2. You wasted 1.5 months training for you blasters II
3. You probably wasted 2 weeks maxing out mwd related skills.
4. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT A CELESTIS IS?
BOO ******* HOO i wasted 3 months training don't make me train some more. WELCOME.
1. Both you and the OP want to turn the Hyperion into a half arsed Ewar ship, he wants missiles you want turrets, in the end itll still be the primary and boring to fly.
2. Training all the Blaster spec skills took a lot longer then 1.5 months, i however do not consider them wasted since all i fly is Gallente blaster ships anyway.
3. Al moast all of them maxed out, which took me a lot longer then 2 weeks.
4. Want to fly a bigger celestis? Get an Arazu like the rest of us and leave the Hyperion to become the ultimate Blaster Battleship.
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:26:00 -
[25]
Why, when people invent their own ships, do they always overpower them ridiculously?
If you ever want to be taken seriously, think before comitting ideas to the forum.
Originally by: Lord Violent
EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid being catered to by devs, as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
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Exiled One
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:34:00 -
[26]
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Exiled One
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Exiled One
SHOULD BE SHOULD BE -- you have no idea about eve ships.
Says the guy who wants to give the Gallente a ****ty missile ship.
1. Never said anything about any missile ships
2. You wasted 1.5 months training for you blasters II
3. You probably wasted 2 weeks maxing out mwd related skills.
4. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT A CELESTIS IS?
BOO ******* HOO i wasted 3 months training don't make me train some more. WELCOME.
1. Both you and the OP want to turn the Hyperion into a half arsed Ewar ship, he wants missiles you want turrets, in the end itll still be the primary and boring to fly.
2. Training all the Blaster spec skills took a lot longer then 1.5 months, i however do not consider them wasted since all i fly is Gallente blaster ships anyway.
3. Al moast all of them maxed out, which took me a lot longer then 2 weeks.
4. Want to fly a bigger celestis? Get an Arazu like the rest of us and leave the Hyperion to become the ultimate Blaster Battleship.
proved my point, bloody scared to train some more And go drink some quafe, because if CCP has a half brain tier 3 won't have such bonuses, believe me 
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wierchas noobhunter
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:37:00 -
[27]
Originally by: Exiled One
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Exiled One
SHOULD BE SHOULD BE -- you have no idea about eve ships.
Says the guy who wants to give the Gallente a ****ty missile ship.
1. Never said anything about any missile ships
2. You wasted 1.5 months training for you blasters II
3. You probably wasted 2 weeks maxing out mwd related skills.
4. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT A CELESTIS IS?
BOO ******* HOO i wasted 3 months training don't make me train some more. WELCOME.
1) you do
2) get a brains ?
3) ^^ k?
4) how on hell u canm say that celestis with 2 laucher slots can look like misile ship ? omg
just DIE
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Exiled One
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:38:00 -
[28]
Edited by: Exiled One on 27/07/2006 14:38:22
Originally by: wierchas noobhunter
Originally by: Exiled One
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Exiled One
SHOULD BE SHOULD BE -- you have no idea about eve ships.
Says the guy who wants to give the Gallente a ****ty missile ship.
1. Never said anything about any missile ships
2. You wasted 1.5 months training for you blasters II
3. You probably wasted 2 weeks maxing out mwd related skills.
4. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT A CELESTIS IS?
BOO ******* HOO i wasted 3 months training don't make me train some more. WELCOME.
1) you do
2) get a brains ?
3) ^^ k?
4) how on hell u canm say that celestis with 2 laucher slots can look like misile ship ? omg
just DIE
Read here: http://www.eve-online.com/itemdatabase/ships/cruisers/gallente/633.asp
EVE really went down the ****ter, when old skool devs moved to china.
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wierchas noobhunter
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:41:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Exiled One
Edited by: Exiled One on 27/07/2006 14:38:22
Originally by: wierchas noobhunter
Originally by: Exiled One
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Exiled One
SHOULD BE SHOULD BE -- you have no idea about eve ships.
Says the guy who wants to give the Gallente a ****ty missile ship.
1. Never said anything about any missile ships
2. You wasted 1.5 months training for you blasters II
3. You probably wasted 2 weeks maxing out mwd related skills.
4. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT A CELESTIS IS?
BOO ******* HOO i wasted 3 months training don't make me train some more. WELCOME.
1) you do
2) get a brains ?
3) ^^ k?
4) how on hell u canm say that celestis with 2 laucher slots can look like misile ship ? omg
just DIE
Read here: http://www.eve-online.com/itemdatabase/ships/cruisers/gallente/633.asp
EVE really went down the ****ter, when old skool devs moved to china.
i am so waiting for killrock to tell u his opinion abaut gal misile boat
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 14:52:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Exiled One
Who? another caldari/minmatar spec pilot that doesnt want to waste skillpoints down in the gallente ships/railgun tree? Or am I wrong?
a: Youre wrong.
b: Are you on drugs?
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wierchas noobhunter
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.27 15:01:00 -
[31]
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Exiled One
Who? another caldari/minmatar spec pilot that doesnt want to waste skillpoints down in the gallente ships/railgun tree? Or am I wrong?
a: Youre wrong.
b: Are you on drugs?
b: i think mushrooms
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Laocoon
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.07.27 15:13:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Exiled One
Moa > Rokh
Celestis > gallente tier 3
arbitrator > amarr tier 3
Moa > Rokh
Thorax > Hyperion
*OMG NOTHING! ORIGINAILTY! HIDE!* > Abaddon
ffs what's the problem? We ask for a blaster boat; we get one 
- Lao
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Zacheria Malfor
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 15:19:00 -
[33]
To the OP, may the fires of hell consume you quickly.
Missiles on Gallente ships as a primary weapons system? Hell No!
Gallente rely on Hybrids and Drones, it's bad enough the Lachesis has a missile bonus.
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Laboratus
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 15:21:00 -
[34]
I fully support an EW gallantean battleship.
And getting a 10% Thermal bonus for cruise/torps would be neat.
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Taurgil
Balanced Unity
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Posted - 2006.07.29 15:14:00 -
[35]
I do not support the idea of a ewar gallente tier3 ship as we don't know how the EW is "fixed".
I do, however, support the idea of a Celestis based Tier 3 BS *IF* it has a bonus on BOTH weapon systems, if it has a mixed hislot layout.
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Laboratus
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.29 15:50:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Taurgil
I do not support the idea of a ewar gallente tier3 ship as we don't know how the EW is "fixed".
I do, however, support the idea of a Celestis based Tier 3 BS *IF* it has a bonus on BOTH weapon systems, if it has a mixed hislot layout.
So 7.5% cruis/siege ROF and 7.5% hybrid damage +10 Sensor damp boni?
Excelent. A gallantean Typhoon.
If only it had a small sig radius.
Mind control and tin hats |
Cohkka
LoneWolf Mining
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.07.29 16:27:00 -
[37]
Originally by: wierchas noobhunter
die
/signed.
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Merv Tring
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.29 17:21:00 -
[38]
What's wrong with an 8/6/6 BS with 8 Turrets and 2 Missile bays, 10% Sensor Damp efficieny, and a tracking bonus? Wouldn't that make a pretty decent blaster boat? Cut their range down to size, then MWD towards them and start blasting away. Mids allow for tackling/cap booster/2 damps, lows allow for a good armor tank.
I know, it's not a DPS monster. But blasters have very nice DPS already, don't they?
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.07.29 17:24:00 -
[39]
NO ******* WAY, if teir 3 becomes a missle damp boat im quitting eve serisly.
High-Sec Piracy Recruitment |
Krulla
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.29 17:24:00 -
[40]
Speaking as someone who is specialized in gallente, has Gallente BS 5, large blaster and railgun spec 4, and 4 million SP in drones..
NO.
25% damage 25% mwd penality reduction is my dream ship. Replace it with a dampening raven wannabe and... 
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.07.29 17:26:00 -
[41]
Originally by: wierchas noobhunter
die
I'm on ther verge of war decing the guys corp lol 
High-Sec Piracy Recruitment |
Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.07.29 17:42:00 -
[42]
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: FFGR
A 5 bonus missile boat BS with 15.5k grid and 700 CPU ?
that would be a nice "I Win" button
No, not a 5 bonus ship. The 2nd bonus is 10% improvement to all attributes of Sensor damps, similar to a Domi's 10% bonus to drone damage/hitpoints per level. Single bonus affecting more than one aspect of the same thing it's giving the bonus to.
Tat's 5 bonuses.
Do you see ships getting 5% dmg, range, falloff, rof bonus on guns?
No, you don't.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.07.29 17:44:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Darpz
Edited by: Darpz on 27/07/2006 13:13:33
Edited by: Darpz on 27/07/2006 13:08:21
make the domi a EW boat instead of a Drone boat
make the Slot Layout 6/6/6
changer the bonus to 5% Damp Effectiveness and 10% damp falloff
leave it with a 200m3 drone bay bay so it would still make a great solo ship just with less dps
and make the hyperion the drone boat
slot layout 6/4/8
Bonus first bonus would be same as domi except it effects logitics and ew drones also
second bonus would be 7.5% rep amount per level.
dronebay equal to the current domi
enough grid for with max skills 6 heavy nos and 1 Large rep (if the pilot wants an injector or a second rep it wll need a fitting mod)
you do this and the caldari can have there uber sniper ship and I won't complain
That would go completely against this history of the game, not that the current titan/mothership setups don't, but the Domi is a drone boat, it'd be pretty dumb to just change it istead of making the NEw ship have the NEW role.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.07.29 17:47:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Exiled One
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Exiled One
SHOULD BE SHOULD BE -- you have no idea about eve ships.
Says the guy who wants to give the Gallente a ****ty missile ship.
1. Never said anything about any missile ships
2. You wasted 1.5 months training for you blasters II
3. You probably wasted 2 weeks maxing out mwd related skills.
4. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT A CELESTIS IS?
BOO ******* HOO i wasted 3 months training don't make me train some more. WELCOME.
1. Both you and the OP want to turn the Hyperion into a half arsed Ewar ship, he wants missiles you want turrets, in the end itll still be the primary and boring to fly.
2. Training all the Blaster spec skills took a lot longer then 1.5 months, i however do not consider them wasted since all i fly is Gallente blaster ships anyway.
3. Al moast all of them maxed out, which took me a lot longer then 2 weeks.
4. Want to fly a bigger celestis? Get an Arazu like the rest of us and leave the Hyperion to become the ultimate Blaster Battleship.
Note to self: Long range webber if Joshua is in local.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.07.29 18:04:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Laboratus
I fully support an EW gallantean battleship.
And getting a 10% Thermal bonus for cruise/torps would be neat.
hahahaha
Oh you were serious about the 10% bonus for cruise/torps?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Plim
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.29 19:13:00 -
[46]
This thread makes me want nuclear holocaust.
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.07.29 19:24:00 -
[47]
Originally by: murder one
6/8/6 slot layout. 6 Missile hardpoints.
700 CPU, 15500 Grid.
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Now how's *that* for an awesome BS?
So... Gallente cross train Caldari for the ultimate railgun sniper battleship, and the Caldari cross train Gallente for the ultimate missile boat!
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Luc Boye
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.29 20:53:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Hllaxiu
Originally by: murder one
6/8/6 slot layout. 6 Missile hardpoints.
700 CPU, 15500 Grid.
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Now how's *that* for an awesome BS?
So... Gallente cross train Caldari for the ultimate railgun sniper battleship, and the Caldari cross train Gallente for the ultimate missile boat!
t2 gallents battleships should fit pulse lasers tbh
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Arkanor
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.29 21:01:00 -
[49]
Originally by: murder one
Lets just imagine for a moment an extension of the Celestis concept to a BS level ship:
Now how's *that* for an awesome BS?
It's not, I'll take a Scorpion please.
Originally by: Ghosthowl
WoW = hardcore paladins smashin dat face.
Originally by: HippoKing
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FawKa
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.29 22:54:00 -
[50]
Edited by: FawKa on 29/07/2006 22:54:43
Edited by: FawKa on 29/07/2006 22:53:59
Originally by: wierchas noobhunter
die
allmost good enough
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
DIE
accepted
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=369662&page=1#10
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Espen
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.07.30 01:04:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Espen on 30/07/2006 01:11:13
Originally by: Exiled One
Moa > Rokh
Celestis > gallente tier 3
arbitrator > amarr tier 3
DEVS WAKE THE F. UP.
DON'T BE STUPID. THAT WOULD MAKE NO SENSE AT ALL, EPSILON 1!
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McTaggart
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.30 03:51:00 -
[52]
A bigger Celestis is not a missile boat. With more turrets than launchers, a bonus to tracking and being a Gallente ship, it's a hybrid turret/ewar ship.
The OP's ships is a Caldari win button masquerading as a Gallente boat.
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locus 777
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.30 04:01:00 -
[53]
Lovely bunch of people you are
I was personally disappointed that all the creative imagination of CCP could come up with is a blaster boat. I'd hoped the last changes to the Mega would have made such a need redundant. (Maybe it did)
While its obvious the original posters desire for a missile ship would be howled down by the knuckle draggers, doesn't give many of you the right to be such ********s. There are a number of different ship manufacturers the Gallente have, and cross platform ships, are what they produce, albeit with limited missile loadings. I personally would have liked am 'ew'/drone bs, and for argument sake its r/s/damp bonus could have been conducive to a certain amount of missile hardpoints. (yes, yes, i know gallente have the domi) A lot could have been made of speed bonus to drones, EW bonus if using EW drones, sentry drones etc.
Many races have had to train cross platform, no reason the gallente shouldn't either. And go easy on this guy, at least offer options, don't just sit there repeating the mantra, "blasters, blasters, blasters" cos thats all you have trained. (i know this is not all of you)
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anotleam
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Posted - 2006.07.30 05:43:00 -
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Yep, a dampening boat could've been fun. Still, megathron has never felt like "true" blasterboat, it's not specially faster, or has an specially strong armor to allow him to get close and survive, and have a standard cap, which sucks specially cause you need a mwd (not to mention that blasters need a tweak, even the devs said so but it seems that they've forgot). Hopefuly, Hyperion will finaly cover the blasterboat role.
Instead of all this rants bout a dampening bs, i would be asking for changing the dominix turret dmg for a dampening range bonus, so we'd have a dampening bs, a railboat, and a blasterboat ^^.
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Sakura Nihil
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.07.30 09:10:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Plim
This thread makes me want nuclear holocaust.
Quote of the Day.
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Riho
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2006.07.30 09:48:00 -
[56]
ty, ill keep the current Hyperion bonis and stuff that has been proposed :)
want missiles and stuff... go specc caldari
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Heartbreak Harriet
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Posted - 2006.07.30 12:19:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Heartbreak Harriet on 30/07/2006 12:21:11
The idea of a big Celestis is kind of interesting, but I can get why everyone here is hating on the OP. A Gallente BS based off of the Celestis wouldn't look a hell of a lot like his design. I think it would probably be more like this:
7/7/5 (5 Turret/3 Launcher)
650 CPU, 11000 Powergrid
650m3 Cargo
100m3 Drone Bay
6420 Structure
5679 Shield, 2000 second recharge
5313 Armor
5000 Capacitor, 1000 second recharge
80km Max targeting range, 8 targets
80 Scan Resolution, 23 sensor strength
430 Signature Radius, 135m/sec Velocity
110000000 Mass
5% Damage to Large Hybrid Turrets, 5% (or maybe 10%) bonus to sensor damper effectiveness
Certain aspects of this design are, obviously, not perfectly in line with the Celestis exactly because of issues in relation to other battleships. It's not exactly the same, but it actually follows the design philosophy. Like the Celestis, it is a turret ship with some optional missile hardpoints for versatility. It's okay at EW. It has more dronebay than most non-Gallente ships, but less than it's brothers. It's faster than the Shoe and the Tuning Fork, but also the heaviest. It's ship bonus is also not insane.
That said, I don't know if a ship like this one would be any better than the current, blaster-focused design of the Hyperion. In fact, I think it makes more sense for it to be a blaster ship, so long as it's not faster than the Tempest and Typhoon. But, unlike the OP's design, it's not an unbalanced mess, and has stats that actually make sense. A missile-based Gallente ship is, I'm sorry, a pretty dumb idea. If anything, Minmatar would be the next race to get a missile-based BS.
Regardless of what happens, I get the feeling the tier 3s are going to cause more problems than they solve.
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Zanarkand
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.30 12:33:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Kaeten
NO ******* WAY, if teir 3 becomes a missle damp boat im quitting eve serisly.
ehm, why?
Tier3 for sensordamping BS!!!
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DeadRow
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.07.30 13:01:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
DIE
Basically said whats needed to be said in this thread
CCP nerfed my sig:
Maxell Snow > holy crap i just realized the only t2 component i have used is a t2 mining laser
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Mudkest
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Posted - 2006.07.30 14:07:00 -
[60]
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: FFGR
A 5 bonus missile boat BS with 15.5k grid and 700 CPU ?
that would be a nice "I Win" button
No, not a 5 bonus ship. The 2nd bonus is 10% improvement to all attributes of Sensor damps, similar to a Domi's 10% bonus to drone damage/hitpoints per level. Single bonus affecting more than one aspect of the same thing it's giving the bonus to.
nope, the 10% bonus to drone hitpoints/damage comes from drone upgrade, it used to have the single +1 drone per level bonus. Now it can use half the drones but drones do double damage and have double hitpoints, so effectivly same amount of drones as before.
If domi had similar bonus then it would have had +10% to drone damage/hitpoints/tracking/speed
- It is much more efficient to talk to yourself in person than via the chat system.
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Sakura Nihil
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.07.31 00:57:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Heartbreak Harriet
Edited by: Heartbreak Harriet on 30/07/2006 12:21:11
The idea of a big Celestis is kind of interesting, but I can get why everyone here is hating on the OP. A Gallente BS based off of the Celestis wouldn't look a hell of a lot like his design. I think it would probably be more like this:
7/7/5 (5 Turret/3 Launcher)
650 CPU, 11000 Powergrid
650m3 Cargo
100m3 Drone Bay
6420 Structure
5679 Shield, 2000 second recharge
5313 Armor
5000 Capacitor, 1000 second recharge
80km Max targeting range, 8 targets
80 Scan Resolution, 23 sensor strength
430 Signature Radius, 135m/sec Velocity
110000000 Mass
5% Damage to Large Hybrid Turrets, 5% (or maybe 10%) bonus to sensor damper effectiveness
Certain aspects of this design are, obviously, not perfectly in line with the Celestis exactly because of issues in relation to other battleships. It's not exactly the same, but it actually follows the design philosophy. Like the Celestis, it is a turret ship with some optional missile hardpoints for versatility. It's okay at EW. It has more dronebay than most non-Gallente ships, but less than it's brothers. It's faster than the Shoe and the Tuning Fork, but also the heaviest. It's ship bonus is also not insane.
That said, I don't know if a ship like this one would be any better than the current, blaster-focused design of the Hyperion. In fact, I think it makes more sense for it to be a blaster ship, so long as it's not faster than the Tempest and Typhoon. But, unlike the OP's design, it's not an unbalanced mess, and has stats that actually make sense. A missile-based Gallente ship is, I'm sorry, a pretty dumb idea. If anything, Minmatar would be the next race to get a missile-based BS.
Regardless of what happens, I get the feeling the tier 3s are going to cause more problems than they solve.
This would be better - focus on the rails so that rails > missiles, no missile dmg bonus, and the sensor dampening bouns.
Maybe provide sensor damp cover for the Megathrons as they get within blaster range of the Rokh or Raven, and prevent the Scorp from just shutting down their fleet?
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McTaggart
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.31 02:34:00 -
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Harriet's idea; much better. Like a light ewar 'phoon. Versatile, yet still with a focus. I'd fly it.
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Nyxus
GALAXIAN
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Posted - 2006.07.31 02:58:00 -
[63]
TBH I kinda like the idea of an Ewar damping boat. But only something like harriet's idea. 7 highs, 4 turrets/3 missiles. No Gallente boat should be all missiles. The biggest thing is this:
A DAMPENING BONUS ON A BS SHOULD ALLOW SAID SHIP TO DAMPEN OUT TO 250KM WITH SKILLS. IT SHOULD STACK ONLY WITH OTHER DAMPENERS.
Viola. Nice boat, solves a lot of sniping problems to boot. 1 dampener would disallow stupidly long distance fights.
In close range, multiple dampeners would be required to "shut down" a ship. Let the dampening range penalty be applied after sensor booster range extensions so stacking sensor boosters isn't a work around.
TBH a lot of fleet problems stem from the fact that after 190km or so EW is largely ineffective, except for maybe highly skilled jammers. TD's and Damps are worthless at those ranges.
Nyxus
Originally by: Tux
The thought of a missile spewing armor tanking cool black looking ship makes me happy in the pants
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ChalSto
The Scope
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Posted - 2006.07.31 11:39:00 -
[64]
Originally by: murder one
Lets just imagine for a moment an extension of the Celestis concept to a BS level ship:
6/8/6 slot layout. 6 Missile hardpoints.
700 CPU, 15500 Grid.
675m3 Cargo.
125m3 Drone bay.
6000 Structure
5600 armor w/ 35/35/10/60 resists
6800 Shield w/ 20/40/60/0 resists
(therm, kin, exp, EM respectively)
5000 Capacitor w/ 1000 Sec. recharge.
100km Targeting range, 8 Max locked targets.
100mm scan resolution, 23 point Mag sensor strength.
475m Signature radius, 135m/sec Max. velocity.
BS bonus: 5% ROF to all missile launchers. +10% increase to Sensor damper Effectiveness, Optimal range, Falloff and Capacitor efficiency (i.e. 10% reduction in cap use per level).
Now how's *that* for an awesome BS?
U will die for that post!!ONEONE 
Toooo bad that i know exactly were u are
*cough* Decon *cough*
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Kunming
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.31 11:52:00 -
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Since when are missiles a gallente weapon, you will DIE just for saying that.
On a more serious note dampening on BS lvl is pointless unless the ship has a range bonus which would then again make it overpowered.
For those "sensor dampening" noobs out there: Dampening is something done by small fast locking ships to assist the big bad sniping BS not to worry about the enemy firing back. The (almost) complete lack of short range combat in fleet battles makes this just as redundant as tracking disruptors, thought they work in skirmishes, even better with some ECM in the mix for cycle jamming.
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.31 12:04:00 -
[66]
The dominix should have long ago had a mid slot neutered and given an 8th lowslot.
Team Minmatar
Carriers need Clone Vats
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murder one
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.31 12:22:00 -
[67]
Originally by: ChalSto
Originally by: murder one
Lets just imagine for a moment an extension of the Celestis concept to a BS level ship:
6/8/6 slot layout. 6 Missile hardpoints.
700 CPU, 15500 Grid.
675m3 Cargo.
125m3 Drone bay.
6000 Structure
5600 armor w/ 35/35/10/60 resists
6800 Shield w/ 20/40/60/0 resists
(therm, kin, exp, EM respectively)
5000 Capacitor w/ 1000 Sec. recharge.
100km Targeting range, 8 Max locked targets.
100mm scan resolution, 23 point Mag sensor strength.
475m Signature radius, 135m/sec Max. velocity.
BS bonus: 5% ROF to all missile launchers. +10% increase to Sensor damper Effectiveness, Optimal range, Falloff and Capacitor efficiency (i.e. 10% reduction in cap use per level).
Now how's *that* for an awesome BS?
U will die for that post!!ONEONE
Toooo bad that i know exactly were u are
*cough* Decon *cough*
rofl. <hides>
Because I said so...
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