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Shadar Ishaan Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:18:00 - [271] Originally by: Berrik Radhok Originally by: Shadar Ishaan Originally by: Ghaulth Originally by: Dianabolic What you guys ALSO think, which isn't so great, is that we should all adhere to your own value judgements and code of humour. We don't. Which is why it's kept in our private forums, chat and TS. I don't think most people understand the lenghts we go to limit the exposure the general eve-o population to goon humor. And I don't think that plays a small role in why everyone is interpreting that sig in question as something it isn't. Belive me: The irony of people doing exactly what is depicted in that sig is not lost on me, or, I suspect, most goons. Well, that's too bad then. Maybe you should consider the idea that anything you say or print, even in private, can carry consequences? Instead of complaining about BoB deciding to go after you, or protesting their reasons, why don't you suck it up and stick it to them in game and just deal with the reprecussions of what was done? I doubt either side is going to back down now. I'm not saying you can't have your goon humor, but I think the best response you can give at this point is, "Yeah? What are you gonna do about it?" So you admit that you've been hacking our forums? Nice dodge. I haven't been to your forums, nor do I need to, enough of it is reproduced and posted elsewhere. ----------
Crange Elite United Corp Antigo Dominion	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:18:00 - [272] Manny is just Manny and Goonies are just Goonies.
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:18:00 - [273] Originally by: FATE LOL Originally by: Dianabolic Yet you see how much of this community you DO (and I maintain you DO want to be a part of it, otherwise you'd just leave) object to it and you still defend it? Ghaulth, I KNOW that sa.com WANT to have a presence in eve. Hell, why wouldn't they, it's the best mmo on the market at the moment and has been for about 3 years. But this is NOT sa.com. There has to be a little bit of respect for the community and for the history of eve - when smoske was around Eve was 6k people PER DAY on a SUNDAY. What you guys are doing by using his name in such a defiled manner is what I can only imagine would be akin to completely ignoring the death of remedial without any jokes AT ALL. Can you imagine it? Ultimately many of the gf lot seem pretty intelligent, so why they continue to goad and wind up people they WANT to share a community to, when many of you are quite capable of finding SOMETHING ELSE to laugh at, it is alot like you just wanna change everyone and **** the rest. Well, if that's the case, carry on I guess. If you don't wanna end up with 3k goons against 18k eve pilots tho I really would suggest you consider what I've said in this post. I keep missing out on how the goons made fun of Vincent van Weert, that's the person who died, not Smoske. And if I know the goons, if "Remedial" died, I'm sure they would start the jokes themselves. Something with that Benny Hill theme I'm sure. Read the rules Alt posts are not allowed
Homicidalnun	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:19:00 - [274] Originally by: Sochin Originally by: FATE LOL Vincent van Weert was the one that died, not Smoske. Smoske is alive and well on the server, I just looked him up today. Say his name, say Vincent van Weert. He is the one no longer with us. You need to grow up and understand it's people like you who are soiling the name of Smoske, and the person who played him, Vincent van Weert. Hell with it. I don't care anymore. You and your mouth breathing forum warriors are spinning this out of proportion faster than a dead German under a truck. Ok, I wasn't going to reply to this whole "Its Vincent not Smoske!!!" thing because its probably one of the stupidest things I've heard in awhile, but here goes. This is a game where we play go by aliases instead of our real names. I know the real names of some of the people I'm closest to in this game, but most of the time I still call them by their ingame names. Its been that way in every online community I've been a part of. I was in two corps with Smoske (m0o and Death Row), and was friends with him. I didn't know his real name until I read Moby's post about his death. We all call him Smoske because thats the name we knew him by. Vincent WAS Smoske, so consider it a nickname. Saying "Smoske is still alive" just because the character hasn't been biomassed is a case of extremely stupid nitpicking.
Pwadoc	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:20:00 - [275] Originally by: Blacklight Yes it's a game, one where we can do what we like within the rules with no need to justify our actions and still have fun doing it which we will. Get over it. Who cares about the game? I want to have a discussion, with you, in person, about what you think it was OK to smear my name in the way you have.
arbitrary Bad luck Clover Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:20:00 - [276] Originally by: Imode The greatest part about this conflict will be the forum war with BoB's potent posting abilities pitted against the Something Awful community... Aye, and while the goons might get taken apart ingame, they are holding their own on the forums rather well. Refreshing as they seem to be on the other side of the though guy fence, not perhaps all for the better, but it really gives variation. ___ Arbi all I want is for you to smile.
Sir Tificate GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:20:00 - [277] Originally by: Dianabolic Ultimately many of the gf lot seem pretty intelligent, so why they continue to goad and wind up people they WANT to share a community to, when many of you are quite capable of finding SOMETHING ELSE to laugh at, it is alot like you just wanna change everyone and **** the rest. Goading people like you is half the fun of playing Eve.
Johlie Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:21:00 - [278] First off, I just want to say I hope both sides lose in some way or another, makes more space for the rest of us. Whether or not BoB is using this for political gain, or its personal is irrelevent. The fact of the matter is people have used situations like this to start wars since wars have been fought. --I'm a soldier, I fight where I'm told, and I win where I fight--
Cvuos GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:21:00 - [279] Originally by: Blacklight Yes it's a game, one where we can do what we like within the rules with no need to justify our actions and still have fun doing it which we will. Get over it. Why didn't you though? Why drag this mess out? Why create this? According to SirMolle, it's personal, it's about this. But according to some blogger now, it was the final straw (four months old, but it's harvest season soon). You could have simply said "We want to fight. Noone wants to fight us, so we will bring it to the goons. Best of luck, hope for fun fights, no smack, qft signed lol ftw tbqh". We would have answered "Bring it, dibs on Delve". Why did it have to be like this? I don't like the jokes, but I really really dislike this posturing with a convenient and extremely tasteless excuse.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:21:00 - [280] Originally by: FATE LOL Originally by: Dianabolic Yet you see how much of this community you DO (and I maintain you DO want to be a part of it, otherwise you'd just leave) object to it and you still defend it? Ghaulth, I KNOW that sa.com WANT to have a presence in eve. Hell, why wouldn't they, it's the best mmo on the market at the moment and has been for about 3 years. But this is NOT sa.com. There has to be a little bit of respect for the community and for the history of eve - when smoske was around Eve was 6k people PER DAY on a SUNDAY. What you guys are doing by using his name in such a defiled manner is what I can only imagine would be akin to completely ignoring the death of remedial without any jokes AT ALL. Can you imagine it? Ultimately many of the gf lot seem pretty intelligent, so why they continue to goad and wind up people they WANT to share a community to, when many of you are quite capable of finding SOMETHING ELSE to laugh at, it is alot like you just wanna change everyone and ** the rest. Well, if that's the case, carry on I guess. If you don't wanna end up with 3k goons against 18k eve pilots tho I really would suggest you consider what I've said in this post. I keep missing out on how the goons made fun of Vincent van Weert, that's the person who died, not Smoske. And if I know the goons, if "Remedial" died, I'm sure they would start the jokes themselves. Something with that Benny Hill theme I'm sure. You've got all the peices of a puzzle, there, yet you can't put them together. To help you I'll leave you with: "NO *" and "You THINK that's how it should be?" to go with: "You'd make laughs about remedial because he would WANT IT!!!<<< GET IT????? He WANTS the "harsh" humour. I forget the post from smoske that said he wanted the same, tbh, and as there are people in this thread (many of them) that DO NOT want to be infected with it, why the sweet mary fck don't you guys just drop it and have some respect? hmmm? Is it that hard?
Homicidalnun	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:21:00 - [281] Originally by: Sir Tificate Originally by: Dianabolic Ultimately many of the gf lot seem pretty intelligent, so why they continue to goad and wind up people they WANT to share a community to, when many of you are quite capable of finding SOMETHING ELSE to laugh at, it is alot like you just wanna change everyone and **** the rest. Goading people like you is half the fun of playing Eve. EVE is SERIOUS BUSINESS.
Atandros Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:22:00 - [282] Originally by: Blacklight 5. We think your attitude stinks and you're a blight on this community. Amen, a thousand times. How I wish I was still in RKK right now. -------
Yakha GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:22:00 - [283] Hats off to BOB for a propaganda masterstroke. It might have even been worth calling 'epic' had it been done in a less distasteful manner, but the end goal has been achieved. Hope you guys will be joining us for a funtastic weekend down in Cloud Ring.
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Faaip De Oiad	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:23:00 - [284] Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 27/07/2006 20:24:55 Originally by: Homicidalnun We don't want to have a presence in the community. We could care less. We want to play a GAME. do you realize that the community is an essential part of EVE?? what you want is Counterstrike in space ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
FATE LOL Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:24:00 - [285] Originally by: Sochin Ok, I wasn't going to reply to this whole "Its Vincent not Smoske!!!" thing because its probably one of the stupidest things I've heard in awhile, but here goes. This is a game where we play go by aliases instead of our real names. I know the real names of some of the people I'm closest to in this game, but most of the time I still call them by their ingame names. Its been that way in every online community I've been a part of. I was in two corps with Smoske (m0o and Death Row), and was friends with him. I didn't know his real name until I read Moby's post about his death. We all call him Smoske because thats the name we knew him by. Vincent WAS Smoske, so consider it a nickname. Saying "Smoske is still alive" just because the character hasn't been biomassed is a case of extremely stupid nitpicking. So what you are saying is you can not seperate the two in your head? I'm sorry, but that's down right scary. Look, do you think his friends in this thing we call "real life" call him "Smoske"? No, they have to suffer without seeing him daily. They don't get to see him walk through the door with a smile on his face, or hear him laugh about a joke. You need a slap back into the real world, where this is a video game, and Vincent van Weert is no longer alive. You people need to shut down your computers for a week or two and start seeing the real people around you, and stop trying to play the high road with someone's death. Let Smoske, and the person who played him, Vincent van Weert, rest in peace, not be used as a tool for your internet war with flying spaceships.
Ceist GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:24:00 - [286] His name ... was Robert Paulson.
nicnivin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:24:00 - [287] Edited by: nicnivin on 27/07/2006 20:25:22 Originally by: Shadar Ishaan Originally by: Ghaulth Originally by: Dianabolic What you guys ALSO think, which isn't so great, is that we should all adhere to your own value judgements and code of humour. We don't. Which is why it's kept in our private forums, chat and TS. I don't think most people understand the lenghts we go to limit the exposure the general eve-o population to goon humor. And I don't think that plays a small role in why everyone is interpreting that sig in question as something it isn't. Belive me: The irony of people doing exactly what is depicted in that sig is not lost on me, or, I suspect, most goons. Well, that's too bad then. Maybe you should consider the idea that anything you say or print, even in private, can carry consequences? Instead of complaining about BoB deciding to go after you, or protesting their reasons, why don't you suck it up and stick it to them in game and just deal with the reprecussions of what was done? I doubt either side is going to back down now. I'm not saying you can't have your goon humor, but I think the best response you can give at this point is, "Yeah? What are you gonna do about it?" I think that we have every right to show that this was more political than it was personal. Taking your hurt feelings out on a whole alliance over something one guy said is not honorable, and that's exactly what they are trying to use as fuel for this. They should be shown as the scamming hypocrite that these propaganda characters are. We aren't afraid to blow things up or be blown up in this video game. Having some bully show up and fight us is fine, we love to fight. But we are going to defend ourselves against over-dramatic kid who think that playing a game is actually going to make them morally superior to a bunch of people who aren't even involved with the thing that 'offended' them in the first place.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:24:00 - [288] Originally by: Sir Tificate Originally by: Dianabolic Ultimately many of the gf lot seem pretty intelligent, so why they continue to goad and wind up people they WANT to share a community to, when many of you are quite capable of finding SOMETHING ELSE to laugh at, it is alot like you just wanna change everyone and **** the rest. Goading people like you is half the fun of playing Eve. Does that go next to the "I won a t'internet argument and got me an iq test" trophy?
Obron Mettlo	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:24:00 - [289] Originally by: Dianabolic completely ignoring the death of remedial without any jokes AT ALL. Can you imagine it? I'd be worried about finding a coffin that could hold him and six cranes to use a pallbearers, not about making jokes.
Jholo Artei GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:25:00 - [290] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Sir Tificate Originally by: Dianabolic Ultimately many of the gf lot seem pretty intelligent, so why they continue to goad and wind up people they WANT to share a community to, when many of you are quite capable of finding SOMETHING ELSE to laugh at, it is alot like you just wanna change everyone and **** the rest. Goading people like you is half the fun of playing Eve. Does that go next to the "I won a t'internet argument and got me an iq test" trophy? Yes. You'll be receiving your "I used my dead friend as justification to start a space internet war" trophy in the mail very soon!
Anti Derivative Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:25:00 - [291] if remedial died, and goonfleet made fun of him i would attack tfc because they are associated with us.
Homicidalnun	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:25:00 - [292] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Sir Tificate Originally by: Dianabolic Ultimately many of the gf lot seem pretty intelligent, so why they continue to goad and wind up people they WANT to share a community to, when many of you are quite capable of finding SOMETHING ELSE to laugh at, it is alot like you just wanna change everyone and **** the rest. Goading people like you is half the fun of playing Eve. Does that go next to the "I won a t'internet argument and got me an iq test" trophy? I hear you are very important on the internet. You must be from BoB!
Alexison Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:25:00 - [293] Originally by: Vahl Edited by: Vahl on 27/07/2006 20:11:42 Originally by: Alexison What you say on the internet is just as real as real life. Think about that next time. So all those hot looking elf women in WoW really are girls in real life!!! SWEET! You are only making yourself look like a fool.
Sir Tificate GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:25:00 - [294] Edited by: Sir Tificate on 27/07/2006 20:25:16 Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte Originally by: Homicidalnun We don't want to have a presence in the community. We could care less. We want to play a GAME. do you realize that the community is an essential part of EVE?? No it's not. For the longest we've had a posting ban in this forum (and alot of us don't visit any of the other subforums beside the Sell forums) and we had a grand old time playing.
HippoKing Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:25:00 - [295] Originally by: Annover Haf Originally by: HippoKing This thread delivers, but is descending rapidly. My opinions: Goons shouldn't make jokes about dead people, amusing as they might be to a certain audience. BoB shouldn't take said jokes so seriously. They might not be nice, but they are not overly malicious, and they are, after all, jokes. No-one has been harmed but your feelings The words of one member (referring to the sig, not to the Firstname Lastname incident two years ago) should not be a justification for ramifications against a whole alliance BoB have wanted to do this for a long time The goons are the single entity BoB would have most trouble destroying in my opinion, due to their persistence, will, tactics and numbers Will be interesting to see how this plays out: a war which should have happened eventually, happening for all the wrong reasons. I don't really have a side to back (there are complete ****s acting on both sides), but I think losing the goons would be a bad thing for Eve, and BoB getting taken down a notch would be a good one. Good luck and have fun everyone. Remember people, it's just a game! I am shocked and near catatonic at a display of intelligence in this post. It is like a hitting a pocket of clarity amidst a miasma of self interest, spin, and stupidity. I'd like to thank my Mum, and my Dad, and T20, and... Seriously though: it's easier to be objective when you don't have a stake in any of the sides. I think everyone involved needs to take a step back and calm down a bit. By all means, have a war ingame. Enjoy it. Spill podgoo everywhere. Just don't hate each other over it.
Sir Tificate GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:27:00 - [296] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Sir Tificate Goading people like you is half the fun of playing Eve. Does that go next to the "I won a t'internet argument and got me an iq test" trophy? See how easy it is?
Sir Tificate GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:32:00 - [297] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Happydayz Hahahaha The funny thing is that I think Remedial is going to the Eve fan fest in November. I will be sure to bring a camcorder to see what goes down =D Anyone launching attacks at him in real life (verbal or physical) has much more serious problems than a game. Originally by: Dianabolic If you guys really think you can keep eve seperate from rl with all the politics and oog coordination that goes on then you really are deluded.
Berrik Radhok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:32:00 - [298] Originally by: Sypher313 well this is an amazing thread, along with all the others BoB is a scary buncha peeps when they come after your behind, especially if they are annoyed at you or just want to stick it to you because they can. AND THEY CAN!! Its what makes them BOB. The somewhat commical part of Molle's posts is the reactions from the "attacked" group each and every time, well almost everytime. Although i dont think ive seen quite this reaction before, but they are dealing with The Goons. Man alive they sure can post and whine, "please dont hurt all of us cuz of one guy and one behavior we all condone" Either way BOB is telling you you're a target, stop posting and whining about the "WHY" you're a target and go out there and "be the TARGET" or "know your role" in this case. Totaly tasteless behavior condoned by Goons is what got you in this mess, you've condoned it on your forums and continued it cuz you think it is a good way to get people worked up and poke fun at them. I agree with what Dianabolic said in his post, you bunch just cant seem to get it and probably never will, so hence.......Guess what you've suceeded in working someone up Good Job Don't get me wrong Bob annoys the heck out of me in a "pew pew" shooty shooty way, and me and mine have been on the end of their fun more than enough times, now its your turn. You will be richer for the experience . They (BoB) posted threads about us and the pwnage inflicted on us, and everyone else got loads of giggles out of it including little Goon Toons. Well this is me ROFLMAO at Goons. I hope you all implode due to LG ammo penetrating your eggs. Have a nice time in the swarm, you cant be "ended" in Eve you know, you can be beaten the hell out of tho and i suspect this is what is going to happen to you soon(tm), at least it appears that way. Take care your post looked like this to me:
Pwadoc	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:33:00 - [299] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Happydayz Hahahaha The funny thing is that I think Remedial is going to the Eve fan fest in November. I will be sure to bring a camcorder to see what goes down =D Anyone launching attacks at him in real life (verbal or physical) has much more serious problems than a game. BoB is launching real life verbal attacks against everyone in GS in this thread. Does that mean they have serious problems?
Berrik Radhok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:34:00 - [300] Originally by: Shadar Ishaan Originally by: Jholo Artei Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Sir Tificate Originally by: Dianabolic Ultimately many of the gf lot seem pretty intelligent, so why they continue to goad and wind up people they WANT to share a community to, when many of you are quite capable of finding SOMETHING ELSE to laugh at, it is alot like you just wanna change everyone and **** the rest. Goading people like you is half the fun of playing Eve. Does that go next to the "I won a t'internet argument and got me an iq test" trophy? Yes. You'll be receiving your "I used my dead friend as justification to start a space internet war" trophy in the mail very soon! Hey, great idea. Maybe you guys should receive the "I proved video games are a valid excuse to abandon basic decency!" trophy. ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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