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Arath Veduran Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:44:00 - [271] Edited by: Arath Veduran on 28/07/2006 21:45:04 Originally by: deadEd Originally by: Arath Veduran You can't be serious. That's a pretty dangerous attitude to have, and I hope for the sake of your entire alliance that it's only you 1-2 month guys that have it. We have players on trial accounts in major ops. We have 1-2 month guys leading gangs. We have people spending their very first day in Eve in 0.0 space. Do you know of any other corps or alliances that even come close to this? I don't know of any other meaningful corps/alliances that would even bother recruiting trial account players, so it's really kind of a moot point. Also having 1-2 month old guys leading fleets isnt really something to brag about. It is when they're doing as well as the 1-2 year old guys. Edit: also, please include your corp and alliance under your name.
Xgkkp GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:44:00 - [272] Edited by: Xgkkp on 28/07/2006 21:45:22 Originally by: John Moscroft The lifecycle of a Goonswarm member: I think by the time they get to stage 4 they usually have a more realistic perspective. Originally by: deadEd The only way you'll always 'win' is if your victory conditions are 'still having accounts that play'. Isn't that the same train of thought you guys used to make fun of NORAD for having? News at 10 Goons can be hypocritical too. Come off it, every single person who posts on these forums can be accused of the same. Is it bad to believe that you are better than others? (Evidently, unless you are Bob, it is)
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:44:00 - [273] Originally by: Calenth Originally by: Agent Kenshin EDIT- Not so much the above statement but trying to merge 2 communities doesnt work very well. We were perfectly happy off in our own little preserve, until BoB trolls forcibly merged the two communities to cause drama and stage a pretext for a video game war. More tears. Buhu. I thought u guys were meant to be less wet than anyone else?
Tholarim Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:45:00 - [274] Originally by: Xgkkp Edited by: Xgkkp on 28/07/2006 21:38:15 Originally by: deadEd You can't be serious. That's a pretty dangerous attitude to have, and I hope for the sake of your entire alliance that it's only you 1-2 month guys that have it. Yes, there is a lifecycle in goonfleet, that begins as a newbie, and ends in a 'Bitter Vet (tm)' that explodes in a puff of drama and leaves the corp. The trick is, can we get enough new players in faster than the older ones leave. Hmm, I wonder what the half-life of a goonfleet member is. Originally by: DB Preacher rofl, Save your false indignation fools and hurry up removing your pos out of XZH. We're waiting. Didn't you hear? Syndicate is where alliances come to die. Then hurry up in comming back allready.
Xgkkp GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:46:00 - [275] Originally by: Tholarim Then hurry up in comming back allready. Come help us crush D2 in XZH then we'll hurry back quicker
Ouabain GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:46:00 - [276] Edited by: Ouabain on 28/07/2006 21:47:04 Originally by: Dianabolic I'll tell you this, I've not seen any group go from being treated "indifferently" to being treated with hostility as fast as you guys have. It was going to happen sooner or later, we've pretty much angered the entire internet, hostility from those more powerful than us is nothing new or worrying. Wet Dog
Crivens GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:46:00 - [277] Originally by: Joerd Toastius Basically, they've decided that they don't want to deal with the Goon personas in game any more so they've decided to remove them from the game. Impotent then, and likely stupid too. If bob doesn't want to cause hurt but rather remove goon from the game because goon upsets them, they will find themselves unable to remove the goons from game (as another player cannot force another from the game - only make it more attractive for them to leave the game themselves). Stupid because they will likely - even if they somehow force goonfleet to disband - find some goons quite happy to put alts in the npc stations owned by bob and tell off colour jokes in local whilst they browse SA - thus they have not stopped goons from hurting them, and will rather find the problem exacerbated. I'm also going to go with pathetic: consider they want to remove goon from the game. A game. That's like Manchester United breaking the legs of Bolton's players to remove them from the game. Adults don't "remove people from the game" - especially not people who have just as much right to play and garner enjoyment from the game as they do - especially not nearly 3000 people for the actions of less than 5.
Anille Kole Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:46:00 - [278] Originally by: Calenth Originally by: Anille Kole And you likewise shouldn't hide behind a cropped quote. However, continuing my accusation of propaganda, in which I generalized most of the GS PR, not you specifically, right now you are skimming close to lies by completely ignoring everything but the one small comment that you can expand into a "frothing rage"-based paragraph. In effect, propaganda. While much of what you say can't even be considered a lie, because it is opinion, you are shifty, and don't "follow the rules". They aren't seeking to properly inform people without bias; they're seeking to convince them to think how you'd like them to because you completely ignore any opposing evidence while focusing on any single point or half-truth you can twist in your favor. If you spin things any faster we could hook you up to a turbine and solve California's energy problems. Nothing I've said has been in any way a lie, and every word you've spewed has been dribbled forth from behind the empire-alt mask of someone too ashamed of what they say to do so with an actual character. You're accusing me of spin? That's laughable at best. Accusing me of being ashamed of my opinion because I post with an alt is no better. I post with an alt because, as with many organizations within EVE, no group wants to be poorly represented by random members, and as such impose restrictions on posting in this type of forum. By posting with an anonymous character, I can not only avoid being instantly judged to be biased for or against something, but I can avoid tarnishing my organization in the minds of anyone who may be against what I say. A word of warning, though: The discussion between us seems to be progressing towards conduct liable to get deleted, so I suggest toning things down. ________________________________ Lovable alt. <3
Calenth Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:48:00 - [279] Originally by: Dianabolic . I'll tell you this, I've not seen any group go from being treated "indifferently" to being treated with hostility as fast as you guys have. there have always been a few people out there with a hardon for raging about how horrible goonfleet was, and some of them have been in BoB for a long time. Those people just staged a Troll Attack that a lot of BoB members fell for. We could've all been snow-white virgin nuns and there would still have been people in the "super vet" alliances like BoB that had sand in their ass over the idea of newbie corps taking conquerable space -- it's no coincidence at all this is happenning the weekend GS was about to finish establishing our first hold over conquerable space. As soon as we moved into the "big leagues," the long-term grudge holders started dredging up whatever they could from months in the past to get everyone ****ed off and try to chase us back down again.
Calenth Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:49:00 - [280] Originally by: Anille Kole You're accusing me of spin? That's laughable at best. Accusing me of being ashamed of my opinion because I post with an alt is no better. I post with an alt because, as with many organizations within EVE, no group wants to be poorly represented by random members, and as such impose restrictions on posting in this type of forum. By posting with an anonymous character, I can not only avoid being instantly judged to be biased for or against something, but I can avoid tarnishing my organization in the minds of anyone who may be against what I say. A word of warning, though: The discussion between us seems to be progressing towards conduct liable to get deleted, so I suggest toning things down.[/quote Nice alt post.
Ouabain GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:50:00 - [281] Edited by: Ouabain on 28/07/2006 21:50:21 Originally by: Tholarim Then hurry up in comming back allready. We're not going to come back just because you're there, we have things to do elsewhere and we're doing them, we'll deal with you when we have to. Wet Dog
Tak Yahsho GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:51:00 - [282] Apparently step 1 in making our alliance die is camping my production alt in the station Pro-tip: she doesn't undock Goons are in XZH if you haven't noticed Or this may be the build-up to the "HARRR! WE DROVE THE GOONS FROM SYNDICATE!!!" thread
NOObbody Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:52:00 - [283] Originally by: Tak Yahsho Goons are in XZH if you haven't noticed That story in over now.
arjun	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:52:00 - [284] Edited by: arjun on 28/07/2006 21:52:36 mr calenth. maybe i repeat myself here but u were not about to finish your first foothold in conquerable space. you failed and bob has nothing to do with it.
Jon Ominor Magellanic Itg GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:53:00 - [285] Edited by: Jon Ominor on 28/07/2006 21:53:56 Originally by: Dianabolic More tears. Buhu. I thought u guys were meant to be less wet than anyone else? That's an awful lot of consonants for so few words. But we're not the ones crying over "merging" into the "EVE community". You guys are crying over it. You are the ones who are crying here, not us.
Sochin Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:53:00 - [286] Originally by: Eloryan Persago All I have to say is the following: The following Alliances/Corporations have attempted to attack us in Syndicate: 1. Black Reign Syndicate 2. Supremecy 3. NBSI Where are these alliances now AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Oh man you're going to be suprised Nemo me impune lacessit
Arath Veduran Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:54:00 - [287] Originally by: NOObbody Originally by: Tak Yahsho Goons are in XZH if you haven't noticed That story in over now. Whether it takes a week, a month, or a year, we will have XZH.
Anti Derivative Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:54:00 - [288] Originally by: Dianabolic I thought u guys were meant to be less wet than anyone else? I am totally wet right now :licks:
Marko Debreault 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:56:00 - [289] Right now the Goons are creating the perception that they have an "us vs. the rest of the EVE community" mentality. I guess I am glad its out in the open.
Eloryan Persago Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:56:00 - [290] Originally by: Sochin Originally by: Eloryan Persago All I have to say is the following: The following Alliances/Corporations have attempted to attack us in Syndicate: 1. Black Reign Syndicate 2. Supremecy 3. NBSI Where are these alliances now AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Oh man you're going to be suprised I like suprises! Do not ruin it for me..... IS IT A PUPPY?! _________________________________________ Anything posted by this character does not represent Goonfleet and/or Goonswarm, anything said which may offend you was probably said because I meant it
FATE LOL Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:57:00 - [291] Originally by: NOObbody Originally by: Tak Yahsho Goons are in XZH if you haven't noticed That story in over now. What? That story in over now.That story in over now. That story in over now.
Sochin Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:57:00 - [292] Originally by: Eloryan Persago Originally by: Sochin Originally by: Eloryan Persago All I have to say is the following: The following Alliances/Corporations have attempted to attack us in Syndicate: 1. Black Reign Syndicate 2. Supremecy 3. NBSI Where are these alliances now AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Oh man you're going to be suprised I like suprises! Do not ruin it for me..... IS IT A PUPPY?! Actually, its an Emu. Its sort of like an Ostrich, but lays cooler eggs. Nemo me impune lacessit
Rapturea Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:57:00 - [293] Instead of sifting through 10+ pages of muck, can someone give a tldr version? When I was a kid my favorite relative was Uncle Caveman. After school we'd all go play in his cave, and every once in a while he would eat one of us. It wasn't until later that I found out that Uncle Caveman was a bear. -jack handy
Anti Derivative Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:58:00 - [294] Originally by: FATE LOL That story in over now.That story in over now. what happen
FATE LOL Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 21:58:00 - [295] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Calenth Originally by: Agent Kenshin EDIT- Not so much the above statement but trying to merge 2 communities doesnt work very well. We were perfectly happy off in our own little preserve, until BoB trolls forcibly merged the two communities to cause drama and stage a pretext for a video game war. More tears. Buhu. I thought u guys were meant to be less wet than anyone else? It's BooHoo. That story in over now.
DeadDuck Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.28 22:00:00 - [296] Originally by: Arath Veduran Whether it takes a week, a month, or a year, we will have XZH. Wasnt supposed to be this weekend ?
FATE LOL Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 22:00:00 - [297] Originally by: Anti Derivative Originally by: FATE LOL That story in over now.That story in over now. what happen I dunno. That story in over now.
News Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 22:01:00 - [298] This has got to be the biggest and longest 'oh noes people are coming for us' whine I've ever seen on these forums. Give it a rest already, not even a million posts on these forums are going to help you with this one. Saying how unfair/hypocritical/paranoid/great/wonderful/whatever it is, isn't going to change the fact that BoB are out to get you. Oh, and make sure that not all of you hide deep in an NPC station in 0.0. Bring some cannonfodder up to empire, don't disappoint our pilots by not giving them anything to shoot at.
FATE LOL Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 22:02:00 - [299] Originally by: DeadDuck Originally by: Arath Veduran Whether it takes a week, a month, or a year, we will have XZH. Wasnt supposed to be this weekend ? Haven't you heard? That story in over now. That story in over now.
Crivens GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 22:02:00 - [300] Originally by: Marko Debreault Right now the Goons are creating the perception that they have an "us vs. the rest of the EVE community" mentality. I guess I am glad its out in the open. I love our allies dearly. OC, SMASH,TFC, DPG, LOVEU, VIDEO.... they're all really really great people. 3FA are great neighbours, and really came through for us with style considering that in its inception goonfleet was not good to 3fa. BOS will, I imagine, forever only ever have to ask to have hundreds of goons happy to die for them. I wish we didn't have to fight DICE, you guys were great. We have loads of fun playing this game, we'd love it for you to play it with us :)

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