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FATE LOL Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:05:00 - [121] Originally by: Alessia Karan Originally by: FATE LOL You grew up with someone online? How did you guys go ride bikes together? Play a game of pool? Go out to the pub, oh wait, too young. Please, if your bestest friend in the world is text on a computer screen, you have some issues. I guess that thats the whole problem, you see people in this game only as text on a computer screen. I really do wonder, how exactly do you think that some other person playing this game is less real then for instance somebody that passes you on the street ? Ah, but I can touch that person walking down the street. Let's just say what happens when someone quits, do you worry that they died, or do you wonder, "Hey, what ever happened to X" Now the question is, do I care deeply about that person walking down the street? Would I care about text on a screen as much as a person walking down the street? Now when the two Worlds start to blur, as it has for some people in this thread, and in this forum, that's when you have a problem.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:05:00 - [122] Originally by: Crivens Originally by: Dianabolic Howe else would we avenge it, in this game of eve, Calenth? Surely what you claim we're trying to do, is akin to beating your mario kart score... on sonic the hedgehog? You've (your idiot group) has insulted someone we GREW UP WITH in this game. You NEED to take a step back. I refuse to believe that this is healthy. A friend of yours is dead. In real life. And in return for someone making jokes in terrible taste about him (I know he was talking about the bandwagon calenth, but it doesn't matter for the sake of this argument) you're going to shoot some spaceships. PLEASE realise why this is not healthy behaviour. At best it is anti-social and at worst it is psychotic and faintly delusional. Dear Crivens, As you seem to have the ability to transcend "eve" to the "real life", I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter entitled "how to be an idiot and completely miss the point". I think with the revenue generated from that you could afford a decent and painless euthanisia (I hear helium is good) to end yourself and furhter prove darwins theory.
Thoreau	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:05:00 - [123] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Ayane Vendre "Howe else would we avenge it, in this game of eve, Calenth?" The person died in real life. So you'd suggest we take this to real life? Yes actually. Have you ever heard of therapy? Approaching someone you don't like and trying to deal with things with words rather than weapons? I'm not saying that arbitrary wars are bad, but there are other ways of dealing with personal hate than to take it out on 2000 people who were not involved. It's okay to go to war and have fun, but we are telling you that this will not solve feelings of anger.
Xipious Oash GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:06:00 - [124] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Ayane Vendre "Howe else would we avenge it, in this game of eve, Calenth?" The person died in real life. So you'd suggest we take this to real life? Acording to what you've said before, we already are by flying spaceships. ------------------------- "(i used to respect the SA community but this is absurd)" --zen tsetse
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:06:00 - [125] I don't know why you're all still debating this, whether that sig on the Goon forums annoyed us enough to decide to destroy you all on it's own or whether it was the straw that broke the camel's back (which to my mind it was) doesn't really matter. We can leave that issue behind us now. You annoyed us, in Eve that means that we can and will come and shoot you. Stop going on about why and play the damn game. In game we don't like Goons. In game we are going to kill you. End of. No need for you to reiterate for the 120447876 time that you think we're overreacting Eve Blacklight Style
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Faaip De Oiad	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:07:00 - [126] Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 28/07/2006 19:13:25 Originally by: Ayane Vendre Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte ahem ... were you interacting with this character?? it seems you don't get the concept of interaction ... even if the stuff which surrounds the interaction is virtual (aka bits and bytes) - the interaction which takes place is real. The interaction isnt with a real person, even if its a person behind the virtual persona. Just like the (one way)interaction with a fictitious character from a book/movie/soap/game. Quote: it seems i have to quote Anthony Giddens. Quote: Social interaction is the process by which we act and react in relation to those around us. Anthony Giddens - Sociology. p.80 it doesn't matter if you can only interact through words, pixels etc. or if you're looking in the face of the other ... or would you say a telephone call isn't an interaction?? "Those around us", not "Those around us in eve-online but not really around us at all, in faction quite the opposite" you don't get it. then please explain me that a telephone call is NO interaction at all. if you can do so i apologize for my "geekness" ... if you can't i'd say: get a clue because there are face-to-face interactions ... you'd say "reallife" interactions through media which mask your physical appeareance to a certain degree. if you phone some one - you can hear his voice and he can hear yours - and you talk to each other. in the internet your physical appeareance is in fact a stream of bits and bytes. it masks your "real" physical appeareance but i won't mask your message. interactions can even happen on an economic level this is in case macrosociology - while the allready mentioned is microsociology. ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
FATE LOL Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:08:00 - [127] Originally by: Dianabolic So you'd suggest we take this to real life? I could have swore someone already has threatened that, but I'll be damned if I could find that post.
Crivens GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:08:00 - [128] Originally by: Alessia Karan I guess that thats the whole problem, you see people in this game only as text on a computer screen. I really do wonder, how exactly do you think that some other person playing this game is less real then for instance somebody that passes you on the street ? Well, I for one don't run up to that person passing me on the street shouting NEUTRAL ON THE GATE PRIMARY PRIMARY ALL WARP TO ME whilst throwing rocks at him without warning. I suppose that's a difference. I'm going to agree with the position that the internet is just as "real" as our other social interactions, but with the priviso that interactions on the ineternet are (and possibly should be) qualatatively different from personal interactions due to the (mostly) anonymity of the net and the huge distances often separating individuals on the internet. I think that a good soundbite to encompas this qualatative difference - whilst pithy and somewhat inaccurate - would be "the internet isn't real".
Hawkings SJ Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:09:00 - [129] Originally by: Crivens Originally by: Dianabolic Howe else would we avenge it, in this game of eve, Calenth? Surely what you claim we're trying to do, is akin to beating your mario kart score... on sonic the hedgehog? You've (your idiot group) has insulted someone we GREW UP WITH in this game. You NEED to take a step back. I refuse to believe that this is healthy. A friend of yours is dead. In real life. And in return for someone making jokes in terrible taste about him (I know he was talking about the bandwagon calenth, but it doesn't matter for the sake of this argument) you're going to shoot some spaceships. PLEASE realise why this is not healthy behaviour. At best it is anti-social and at worst it is psychotic and faintly delusional. Shrug, if a group of goons and a group of bob were in a bar and you started slinging some commentary at them, they could come over and get into a real, non-ficitional brawl with you. But, that not being the case, they have decided to attempt and eliminated something you enjoy (the game). If they can actually do that or not remains to be seen, if you care or not remains to be seen, but I don't think every member of goons would be as happy as you guys like to make out if you litterally could not undock from the station without instantly reappearing back inside as a clone. And really, what does BoB lose by making this their focus? They get PVP, they get satisfaction at a job well done, and maybe they get to reduce or eliminate some of your players enjoyment of the game.
Wodin Drukvik GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:12:00 - [130] Originally by: Blacklight In game we don't like Goons. In game we are going to kill you. End of. That I can respect. No doubt you'll probably pod the hell out of me, but it'll be fun having a go.
FATE LOL Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:13:00 - [131] Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte you don't get it. then please explain me that a telephone call is NO interaction at all. if you can do so i apologize for my "geekness" ... if you can't i'd say: get a clue No, YOU don't get it. It's not TACTILE. You can't hold and cry IRC or you Computer monitor. You shouldn't be kissing and hugging your telephone. And if your headset is telling you that you need to go take a shower because you stink, then you have some other issues you need to work out.
Ayane Vendre Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:13:00 - [132] Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte you don't get it. then please explain me that a telephone call is NO interaction at all. if you can do so i apologize for my "geekness" ... if you can't i'd say: get a clue It seems you dont get it. You talk on the phone as yourself, not as some internet game persona(and NO-ONE is exactly like their real life selves in a game). The interaction is virtual because the results/repurcussions/reactions are only virtual.
Degaal Valen Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:14:00 - [133] Originally by: Alessia Karan I really do wonder, how exactly do you think that some other person playing this game is less real then for instance somebody that passes you on the street ? I dunno, probably the fact that I'm not shooting people I see on the street with lasers. I mean do you guys even read what you are posting here, about a video game? You should seriously get your teacher at the dojo you practice your kickboxing at to help you get some tranquility in your life or something.
Berrik Radhok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:15:00 - [134] Originally by: Sochin Originally by: Crivens Edited by: Crivens on 28/07/2006 18:16:50 Originally by: Joerd Toastius Second Fred's comment - I'm part time PA, I know exactly what you guys are like, and frankly I've dealt with worse. Your only defining characteristics are that you're big and (unlike people like GameFaqs) you know how to turn caps lock off - otherwise you're a pretty average "adolescent geek" community. I don't know what a PA is, and I'm not sure if the "dealt with worse" comment was a compliment or an insult, but I believe that the average goon is university educated and in his mid-20s. We are pretty geeky, but we've done some cool things. When some of our members were going to fight in afghanistan they wern't issued adequate body armour. Despite the forums being pretty evenly split between pro and anti war, we rallied behind our own and raised enough money for the squad being commanded by the goon to have the proper armour. I believe that one of the drivers lives was saved because of this armour, but don't quote me on that. Every year money is raised to provide orphan kids with presents at christmas. A life threatening operation one member needed (my memory says kidney operation) was funded almost entirely by SA. FYAD saved someones life when they were going to commit suicide - I don't know the details of that one. When hurricane katrina hit, the forums went down and Lowtax replaced the front page with a fundraiser, I forget how many thousands of dollars were raised but it was substantial. Don't get me wrong, i'm sure other online communities have done similar good deeds in the past, and that SA is not unique in this regard. But I think you're missing a lot of the picture to sterotype goons as "adolescent geeks", sure theres a lot of things that people find offensive said on the forums, but in my experience whilst what is said and drawn and posted on the forums can often be offensive, what is actually DONE is generally good. This is by no means a complete list, just the things I personally was there for or know about well. SA is definitely not somplace to go if you don't have a thick skin, but I'd advise just about everyone to go check it out and form their own opinions of the place. It's pretty much common sense that if you try to pidgeon-hole ANY community of nearly 80 000 you're going to get it wrong for thousands and thousands of people. and sup tonkin. I hope all our allies know that as long as they continue to play the game with us, they will have our support. Goons look after their own. If you are all such generous and nice people, then why do you act like total assclowns when you come into our community? Perhaps because we've been treated like total assclowns ever since we've shown up in thsi community? Sig removed, inappropriate content - Cortes
FATE LOL Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:15:00 - [135] I feel like I'm stuck in a Asperger's clinic. You all understand the words, but you don't have the social skills to really understand their meaning.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:16:00 - [136] Originally by: FATE LOL Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte you don't get it. then please explain me that a telephone call is NO interaction at all. if you can do so i apologize for my "geekness" ... if you can't i'd say: get a clue No, YOU don't get it. It's not TACTILE. You can't hold and cry IRC or you Computer monitor. You shouldn't be kissing and hugging your telephone. And if your headset is telling you that you need to go take a shower because you stink, then you have some other issues you need to work out. Says YOU! Don't you ******* GET IT???? You're arguing as if you're RIGHT, as if YOUR opinion is the ONLY opinion. IT ISN'T!
BEEPBEEP IMA	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:16:00 - [137] ITT discussion on the nature of human interaction and emotional attachment. This whole matter is retarded and we'd be better off if CERTAIN PEOPLE that have been posting in every single goddamned Bob vs. GS thread would lay the heck off and cool down a bit instead of regurgitating the same things over, and over, and over, and over, and over. Also please don't interpret "certain people" to be a jab, I'm talking about both sides here. quote this if ur down
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Faaip De Oiad	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:16:00 - [138] Originally by: Ayane Vendre Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte you don't get it. then please explain me that a telephone call is NO interaction at all. if you can do so i apologize for my "geekness" ... if you can't i'd say: get a clue It seems you dont get it. You talk on the phone as yourself, not as some internet game persona(and NO-ONE is exactly like their real life selves in a game). The interaction is virtual because the results/repurcussions/reactions are only virtual. who says that the people in the "real" world are acting genuine. my last word on this topic: get a clue ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Cvuos GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:16:00 - [139] Originally by: Blacklight I don't know why you're all still debating this, whether that sig on the Goon forums annoyed us enough to decide to destroy you all on it's own or whether it was the straw that broke the camel's back (which to my mind it was) doesn't really matter. We can leave that issue behind us now. You annoyed us, in Eve that means that we can and will come and shoot you. Stop going on about why and play the damn game. In game we don't like Goons. In game we are going to kill you. End of. No need for you to reiterate for the 120447876 time that you think we're overreacting That's not the issue at all as far as I'm concerned. Fighting BoB will be awesome, it's about time. The issue is what you dug up and spouted on these forums, a hurtful personal attack on over 2000 people. Originally by: Dianabolic If you guys really think you can keep eve seperate from rl with all the politics and oog coordination that goes on then you really are deluded.
Hawkings SJ Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:17:00 - [140] Originally by: Jibrelle Edited by: Jibrelle on 28/07/2006 19:02:06 Originally by: Sochin Originally by: Ayane Vendre "Howe else would we avenge it, in this game of eve, Calenth?" The person died in real life. So what? You keep making a distinction, and I don't understand why. :gonk: Let me see if I can spell this out for you. You can't avenge your friend's supposed insult from Tets (who is, we all admit & recognize, a tasteless idiot) by blowing up our internet spaceships. BECAUSE THEY ARE JUST PIXELS. We'll just walk away from the computer giggling. And probably come back to the forums to mock you some more because you respond so very, very beautifully. You can't get us to kow-tow and be afraid of you, because it's just a game. Whatever validation you are looking from us over your dead friend's insult isn't going to be gained by coming up to fight us. We want you to fight us. It'll be fun. But it's not going to make us suddenly remorseful, kick out Remedial, or whatever it is you want us to do. What do you think coming up to cloud ring and kicking us out is really going to do? I mean, honestly? Do you think all 2,500 of us are suddenly going to start lighting candles in whatever your friend's name was? (His real name, not his handle.) Or do you think that coming up to fight us is going to make us be all scared and quit the game? That's what you guys were originally threatening the goons with. The insult can't be avenged over internet space, my friend. It just fundamentally can't. You can call Tets a tasteless idiot (he is), Remedial a fat bastard of demagogue (he is), or Mittani a manipulative ******* (he is, oh god he is), but you can't avenge your dead friend over internet space. Say you are going to do is patently ridiculous, false, and obsfucating your true intentions. Come up to CR, we'll pew-pew at each other, but please drop this 'I'm avenging my dead friend's name on the internets!' thing. It's making you look incredibly silly. And it's just going to make the FYAD crowd mock you more, which you guys really seem to hate. I'm sorry, but why exactly is attacking someone on an internet game not an appropriate response to them insulting someone on the internet? What else would they do, exactly, take it up with your congressman? Come to your neighborhood and beat you? I'd be a lot more shocked if someone did the latter two then the former, if we are talking about acceptable responses.
Crivens GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:17:00 - [141] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Crivens Dear Crivens, As you seem to have the ability to transcend "eve" to the "real life", I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter entitled "how to be an idiot and completely miss the point". I think with the revenue generated from that you could afford a decent and painless euthanisia (I hear helium is good) to end yourself and furhter prove darwins theory. It amuses me that, after I voiced concern for your possible psychosis, you advised me to kill myself.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:18:00 - [142] Originally by: Cvuos That's not the issue at all as far as I'm concerned. Fighting BoB will be awesome, it's about time. The issue is what you dug up and spouted on these forums, a hurtful personal attack on over 2000 people. So are you going to keep harping on about it then? If you want this to be a real hate war you are going about it the right way and it will not be in any way shape or form pleasant. I could retaliate with a lot of things I think about some of your members but I said my peice and am going to get on with it in game, perhaps you should do the same. Eve Blacklight Style
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:18:00 - [143] Originally by: Ayane Vendre You talk on the phone as yourself, not as some internet game persona(and NO-ONE is exactly like their real life selves in a game). The interaction is virtual because the results/repurcussions/reactions are only virtual. Teamspeak much? Next argument please.
Alessia Karan Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:18:00 - [144] Originally by: FATE LOL I feel like I'm stuck in a Asperger's clinic. You all understand the words, but you don't have the social skills to really understand their meaning. You don't seem to get that the people controlling all those other chars are real human beings too. But if you think we are not, why are you even typing here ? The fact that you ARE arguing here kinda proves your whole point wrong.
FATE LOL Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:19:00 - [145] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: FATE LOL Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte you don't get it. then please explain me that a telephone call is NO interaction at all. if you can do so i apologize for my "geekness" ... if you can't i'd say: get a clue No, YOU don't get it. It's not TACTILE. You can't hold and cry IRC or you Computer monitor. You shouldn't be kissing and hugging your telephone. And if your headset is telling you that you need to go take a shower because you stink, then you have some other issues you need to work out. Says YOU! Don't you ******* GET IT???? You're arguing as if you're RIGHT, as if YOUR opinion is the ONLY opinion. IT ISN'T! I'm sorry, I'm only trained in the DSM-VI TR in real life.
Toffles GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:19:00 - [146] Originally by: Blacklight In game we are going to kill you. Except BoB is making threats to harm goons in real life on their forums. You guys have serious issues and don't have a clue about keeping it "in game".
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:19:00 - [147] Originally by: Cvuos Originally by: Blacklight I don't know why you're all still debating this, whether that sig on the Goon forums annoyed us enough to decide to destroy you all on it's own or whether it was the straw that broke the camel's back (which to my mind it was) doesn't really matter. We can leave that issue behind us now. You annoyed us, in Eve that means that we can and will come and shoot you. Stop going on about why and play the damn game. In game we don't like Goons. In game we are going to kill you. End of. No need for you to reiterate for the 120447876 time that you think we're overreacting That's not the issue at all as far as I'm concerned. Fighting BoB will be awesome, it's about time. The issue is what you dug up and spouted on these forums, a hurtful personal attack on over 2000 people. So the community that takes great pleasure in insulting miullions fo others, or targetting the weak and the vulnerable, has finally found its match in EvE? Could this really be what the internet has been waiting for? Wow, I think we've scored a bigger coup than the rest of the world here, folks. Now, let me dig out those comments about "this being hte inet, and not the real world", just so we don't get upset.
Jargoon GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:20:00 - [148] Originally by: Dianabolic So the community that takes great pleasure in insulting miullions fo others, Furries don't really count as people anyway so your figure is a little high
Hawkings SJ Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:21:00 - [149] Originally by: Ayane Vendre Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte you don't get it. then please explain me that a telephone call is NO interaction at all. if you can do so i apologize for my "geekness" ... if you can't i'd say: get a clue It seems you dont get it. You talk on the phone as yourself, not as some internet game persona(and NO-ONE is exactly like their real life selves in a game). The interaction is virtual because the results/repurcussions/reactions are only virtual. So the theory here is that if instead of Ventrillo, people got together on one really big tele-confrence call, they would act differently? That's a bit of a stretch. Or, lets say I dialed a random number with no way for the call to be traced back to me. You are saying I would act differently then if I jumped into a random vent with no way it would be traced back to me? Right....
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.28 19:21:00 - [150] Originally by: Toffles Originally by: Blacklight In game we are going to kill you. Except BoB is making threats to harm goons in real life on their forums. You guys have serious issues and don't have a clue about keeping it "in game". Proof please. Got quotes? @crivens - if you like I can suggest a method of destruction, but u'll need to eject from your ship - or were you mis-managing that crossover from rl again?

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