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Wodin Drukvik GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 16:53:00 - [31] Edited by: Wodin Drukvik on 28/07/2006 16:53:34 Originally by: James 315 Yes, there are non-Goon corps in GS, but their departure would be irrelevant. The rest of your post is interesting(and I won't comment one way or t'other as I'm rather biased). This statement, however, is patently false. While the sheer numbers may make it look like our smaller non-Goon corps are irrelevant, the truth is that this is anything but the case. They're good, trustworthy companions who I would be genuinely saddened to see go. Finding allies in EVE is always a dicey proposition, and those who are willing to accept the growing pains of a new alliance and all the attendent mistakes, drama, and general noobishness that we display on a regular basis is more valuable still. Edit: oh god I fail at forums software.
Toffles GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 16:53:00 - [32] BoB could push us out of syndicate with maybe a couple months worth of their entire alliance camping every station and gate in lower syndicate 23/7. Not trying to flame or anything, but that is my honest assesment of "what it would take".
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.28 16:57:00 - [33] Well, I think we all know what it takes. Question you should be asking is if you've made serious enough enemies that are considering going all the and break you up both from inside and outside. Oh and remember this. New friends are made easily in this game. Alot will simply not consider it worth the hassle if the game is not fun anymore. Keeping it fun can be a major hassle when your comms lines are broken and all you pay for is "spin the ship" in a station.
Moab Nos Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.28 17:01:00 - [34] Edited by: Moab Nos on 28/07/2006 17:02:05 I feel that with the help of D2, RAZOR, and Youwhat (because even if they're not setting them +, I'm sure everyone realizes that they won't actively engage eachother) BoB might be able to keep us from conquering XZH. If that should happen it's no big deal, we didn't expect to even get this far this early on a few months ago. But destroying Goonfleet? Impossible. Should this corp fail, a new one will be started weeks or months later. I don't like the minority that acts like maladjusted idiots when not controlled by the rules of the SA forum, but I love the rest enough to say that I'll be part of all the other goons flocking to it.
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2006.07.28 17:01:00 - [35] Originally by: Moghydin Edited by: Moghydin on 28/07/2006 16:48:51 It looks like GS won't be eliminated on the battlefield. They operate like BoB themselves only on their earlier stages. As it looks as BoB are trying not to defeat, but to destroy GS they will have to try somethign different than fleet battles and POS shooting. BoB understands it too, and that's why they came out with their negative PR campaign, trying 1-st to delegitimize GS and to portrait most GS memebrs and especially leadership as dishonest, arrogant, untrustworthy, etc, etc. Why this was needed? Why not to go out to war, just saying: we think GS will become too much of a problem in the near future, so that we'll take care of it right now, before we'll have 1000 man HAC gangs on us. The broad hint was given by one of BoB members in one of the numerous threads on this topic. BoB won't be fighting a conventional war here. They say they are fighting outlaws, dishonorable ppl, so that ANY tactics are justified. This was the reason for this negative PR compaign, to say that if the enemy is so distastefull and dishonorable, then we can use everything agaibst him. Espionage, sabotage, corp theft, possible sabotage of forums and TS, destroying the image of some of GS key leaders - everything goes. You cant' justify those things if you fight just another alliance, but you can try to do this if you accuse your opponent of being the total scum (and that's what BoB do all the time). This shows us 1 clear thing BoB are here to "win" Eve and they will use any tactic neccessary, with the keyword ANY, if they will feel seriously threatend. Seriously where do you come up with your stuff? Take your "I HATE BOB" banner and go wave it somewhere else. Where have BOB said they will use out of game tatics to destroy GS or is this just more anti BOB stuff like all the other posts you make?
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 17:05:00 - [36] Originally by: Fred0 Oh and remember this. New friends are made easily in this game. Alot will simply not consider it worth the hassle if the game is not fun anymore. Keeping it fun can be a major hassle when your comms lines are broken and all you pay for is "spin the ship" in a station. Your post proves yet again that most of the eve-o community doesn't get what we consider fun. Perhaps it's the obsession with kill/loss ratios, or the feeling that your ship isn't totally expendable. If the Swarm gets to send wave after wave of fanatics in suicide frigates at people like you and send you e-raging into the void, cursing g00n n00bs and pressing your petition button so fast that you break it, you can bet we'll be having fun. ^_^
dabster Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.28 17:07:00 - [37] Here's a clue to the goonies: BOB has been (ab)using any means needed for a goal, since.....yea, forever. Nobody can count the numbers of times they have been accused of dirty tricks cheating and h4xing, stop thinking you are in any way special, because you aren't. ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 17:09:00 - [38] Edited by: The Mittani on 28/07/2006 17:09:20 Originally by: dabster Here's a clue to the goonies: BOB has been (ab)using any means needed for a goal, since.....yea, forever. Nobody can count the numbers of times they have been accused of dirty tricks cheating and h4xing, stop thinking you are in any way special, because you aren't. After D2 has spent a month aktivating petitionbooster on us, it's not really a shock. Big alliances don't like it when newbies don't bootlick and kowtow to the 'mighty'. They merely tried to out-whorum us, and no one- no one- can win a forum battle against goons.
Zarimax Mishka GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 17:19:00 - [39] We attacked Cloud Ring on a whim û months ahead of schedule û because a group of goons were acting like goons and took a pot shot at a station they thought they couldnÆt do damage to. By the end of that month, and with no experience in conquerable space, we owned two systems in Cloud Ring and had blown up 15 capital ships. An entire crop of newbies now has volumes of experience with POS warfare, dreadnaught sieges, and the mechanics of conquerable space. These are people who are brand new to EVE. Look at those dreadnaught kill mails. Look up the characters who are on them. Look at the age of those characters. Do you think people who have been playing EVE for less than a month and are now on a dreadnaught kill mail are going to flake off or will they instead develop an even deeper and more enduring loyalty to the alliance? Whoever comes out on top in GoonSwarm versus BoB, I find it hilarious that our little dreadnaught killers have to ask ôwho is this Bob guy anyway?ö
larann Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 17:20:00 - [40] Originally by: The Mittani They merely tried to out-whorum us, and no one- no one- can win a forum battle against goons. Agreed, although pure nonsence spam maybe doesnt count. The amount of utter crap in the thread that was removed and hasnt come back was unreal, and about 90% (maybe more) was from your guys. On the utterly useless word of many of your own: Goodbye. (now i'm cool )
Avernus Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.28 17:22:00 - [41] Originally by: The Mittani Edited by: The Mittani on 28/07/2006 17:09:20 Originally by: dabster Here's a clue to the goonies: BOB has been (ab)using any means needed for a goal, since.....yea, forever. Nobody can count the numbers of times they have been accused of dirty tricks cheating and h4xing, stop thinking you are in any way special, because you aren't. After D2 has spent a month aktivating petitionbooster on us, it's not really a shock. Big alliances don't like it when newbies don't bootlick and kowtow to the 'mighty'. They merely tried to out-whorum us, and no one- no one- can win a forum battle against goons. Define winning a forum battle. Is it getting in the last word, or is it swaying the majority opinion of the community? If it's the first, I'm confident you'll win everytime. If it's the actual altering of public perception towards your favor.... Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Tiwaz Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.07.28 17:23:00 - [42] ive had enough of these bloody treads about the most boring ppl playing our great great game of EVE. T1 frig bl0bs bore the hell out of me and prolly all the rest pvp lovers of EVE. The Goonnies can mine all they want in whatever remote place they chose. Or better yet find someother game where they can play with their E-lovers. I hope to god, that their vile gameplay dont come more in fasion. fecking ****ers. tiw
agent apple Syndicate Of Shadows	Posted - 2006.07.28 17:25:00 - [43] Originally by: insolace go take a look at the history of goons in Star Wars Galaxies, I believe we completely dominated that game/server by the time we all left due to extreme boredome. And here in lies your achilies heel. The fact that EvE has a large veteran player base who dont want to see a group of people such as GS get control over the game. Lots of people hate BoB, better the devil you know seems to sum it up though.
Zarimax Mishka GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 17:26:00 - [44] Originally by: Tiwaz ive had enough of these bloody treads about the most boring ppl playing our great great game of EVE. T1 frig bl0bs bore the hell out of me and prolly all the rest pvp lovers of EVE. The Goonnies can mine all they want in whatever remote place they chose. Or better yet find someother game where they can play with their E-lovers. I hope to god, that their vile gameplay dont come more in fasion. fecking ****ers. tiw I'm sorry about your Megathron. 35- is a dangerous place.
fmercury Contraband Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.28 17:29:00 - [45] Originally by: Avernus Define winning a forum battle. Is it getting in the last word, or is it swaying the majority opinion of the community? Apparently it's getting the most words.
Tiwaz Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.07.28 17:29:00 - [46] Originally by: Zarimax Mishka Originally by: Tiwaz ive had enough of these bloody treads about the most boring ppl playing our great great game of EVE. T1 frig bl0bs bore the hell out of me and prolly all the rest pvp lovers of EVE. The Goonnies can mine all they want in whatever remote place they chose. Or better yet find someother game where they can play with their E-lovers. I hope to god, that their vile gameplay dont come more in fasion. fecking ****ers. tiw I'm sorry about your Megathron. 35- is a dangerous place. lol what a wee little tit you are if you think loosing a ship do anything to me. But yes.. ill rather go down fighting than lagged to hell do you lot. tiw
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2006.07.28 17:31:00 - [47] Originally by: The Mittani They merely tried to out-whorum us, and no one- no one- can win a forum battle against goons. ... You seriously think your forum spam is helping?
Vena Saris Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.28 17:31:00 - [48] Originally by: Stamm Quite true. However, falling back to S-U would be Goonswarm failing to take Cloud Ring, which they've invested massive amounts of time effort and ISK into. Would it cause the death of the alliance? I don't know, I don't think it will. But it will have a greater or lesser effect on their playerbase, it could drop significantly. But only time will tell. But it could make them stronger I guess, more determined so that when they do strike out for space again they do it better. Don't forget the same thing will go to D2 and BoB or any other alliances that are involved in this conflict as well. As far as I know, D2 spams (or committed if you will) more POS than Goonswarm, they loss more capital ships than us and they're the one keep losing its allies, but I'm sure you know better than me. If it takes so many alliances, so many excuses, so many backstabbing, just to get rid of us from this region, so be it. In fact, since NORAD and D2 didn't quite live up to our expectation, and now BoB joins the game, we're currently more excited than ever. I sincerely hope everyone can stop name calling or using other as an excuse to invade us, that's quite childish and disappointing. I hope everyone will enjoy this battle, one way or another.
Snowden Vel GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 17:32:00 - [49] Edited by: Snowden Vel on 28/07/2006 17:32:37 Originally by: fmercury Originally by: Avernus Define winning a forum battle. Is it getting in the last word, or is it swaying the majority opinion of the community? Apparently it's getting the most words. Well I hope it's not scored by making the most bitter posts, because you've got that on lockdown.
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2006.07.28 17:35:00 - [50] Originally by: Vena Saris and they're the one keep losing its allies, but I'm sure you know better than me. Check again.
Alvinas GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 17:35:00 - [51] I'll spare the rest of the community going on what most of the other goons have said already and leave with this: As of yesterday goons have begun to a new game. A game with our own rules. Thus far in Eve that has been something that has only caused failure for others. Despite what you all say, we are different--and always have been. We no longer play by your rules. We no longer require your approval. We play our own game, and only time will show you the difference.
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 17:36:00 - [52] Originally by: Joerd Toastius You seriously think your forum spam is helping? Did you seriously just post without using bold text?
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2006.07.28 17:37:00 - [53] Originally by: The Mittani Originally by: Joerd Toastius You seriously think your forum spam is helping? Did you seriously just post without using bold text? ...
Calenth Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.28 17:37:00 - [54] Originally by: Joerd Toastius Originally by: The Mittani They merely tried to out-whorum us, and no one- no one- can win a forum battle against goons. ... You seriously think your forum spam is helping? Heh, if nothing else, every single other issue set aside, the idea of BoB guys complaining about somebody else's forum whoring is pretty funny :P I do think explaining ourselves has helped, yes. If we'd just sat back and let BoB misrepresent us, nobody on this forum would've had a fair or complete picture. By posting and explaining ourselves, our opinions and our actions, people have had a chance to see both sides. A lot of people are going to refuse to take that chance, for one reason or another, but that's outside our control.
Moghydin Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2006.07.28 17:37:00 - [55] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Originally by: Moghydin Edited by: Moghydin on 28/07/2006 16:48:51 It looks like GS won't be eliminated on the battlefield. They operate like BoB themselves only on their earlier stages. As it looks as BoB are trying not to defeat, but to destroy GS they will have to try somethign different than fleet battles and POS shooting. BoB understands it too, and that's why they came out with their negative PR campaign, trying 1-st to delegitimize GS and to portrait most GS memebrs and especially leadership as dishonest, arrogant, untrustworthy, etc, etc. Why this was needed? Why not to go out to war, just saying: we think GS will become too much of a problem in the near future, so that we'll take care of it right now, before we'll have 1000 man HAC gangs on us. The broad hint was given by one of BoB members in one of the numerous threads on this topic. BoB won't be fighting a conventional war here. They say they are fighting outlaws, dishonorable ppl, so that ANY tactics are justified. This was the reason for this negative PR compaign, to say that if the enemy is so distastefull and dishonorable, then we can use everything agaibst him. Espionage, sabotage, corp theft, possible sabotage of forums and TS, destroying the image of some of GS key leaders - everything goes. You cant' justify those things if you fight just another alliance, but you can try to do this if you accuse your opponent of being the total scum (and that's what BoB do all the time). This shows us 1 clear thing BoB are here to "win" Eve and they will use any tactic neccessary, with the keyword ANY, if they will feel seriously threatend. Seriously where do you come up with your stuff? Take your "I HATE BOB" banner and go wave it somewhere else. Where have BOB said they will use out of game tatics to destroy GS or is this just more anti BOB stuff like all the other posts you make? Actually I do not hate BoB, I do not hate anything in the game. Hate is too strong of a feeling to apply to anything in a computer game. You've asked for a proof, you'll get it. The thread is locked so I can't post a link to it I guess, but I'll give you a direction. Thread is called "Curiosity from a neutral observer". The post is number 292, on page 10. Post by Rebellion of Evolution[BoB].
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2006.07.28 17:39:00 - [56] Originally by: Calenth I do think explaining ourselves has helped, yes. I thought SA was supposed to be good at this stuff... Oh well. Your grave.
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 17:41:00 - [57] Originally by: Joerd Toastius Originally by: Calenth I do think explaining ourselves has helped, yes. I thought SA was supposed to be good at this stuff... Oh well. Your grave. Oh god, more threats of doom from a D2 guy. It's over now! Jita, veldspar ahoy! Can't you tell? I'm positively shivering with internet fear here.
Toffles GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 17:42:00 - [58] Originally by: fmercury Originally by: Avernus Define winning a forum battle. Is it getting in the last word, or is it swaying the majority opinion of the community? Apparently it's getting the most words. The funny part is that you are better friends with firstname lastname than anyone posting here.
Vince Draken Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.28 17:43:00 - [59] Originally by: Moghydin Edited by: Moghydin on 28/07/2006 16:48:51 It looks like GS won't be eliminated on the battlefield. They operate like BoB themselves only on their earlier stages. As it looks as BoB are trying not to defeat, but to destroy GS they will have to try somethign different than fleet battles and POS shooting. BoB understands it too, and that's why they came out with their negative PR campaign, trying 1-st to delegitimize GS and to portrait most GS memebrs and especially leadership as dishonest, arrogant, untrustworthy, etc, etc. Why this was needed? Why not to go out to war, just saying: we think GS will become too much of a problem in the near future, so that we'll take care of it right now, before we'll have 1000 man HAC gangs on us. The broad hint was given by one of BoB members in one of the numerous threads on this topic. BoB won't be fighting a conventional war here. They say they are fighting outlaws, dishonorable ppl, so that ANY tactics are justified. This was the reason for this negative PR compaign, to say that if the enemy is so distastefull and dishonorable, then we can use everything agaibst him. Espionage, sabotage, corp theft, possible sabotage of forums and TS, destroying the image of some of GS key leaders - everything goes. You cant' justify those things if you fight just another alliance, but you can try to do this if you accuse your opponent of being the total scum (and that's what BoB do all the time). This shows us 1 clear thing BoB are here to "win" Eve and they will use any tactic neccessary, with the keyword ANY, if they will feel seriously threatend. Seriously, you need to see a doctor about that hardon you have for BOB. Ever since your thread accusing BOB of cheating in the tournament you've tossed **** onto everything BOB related. You don;t even understand how we operate, you know nothing. So please, go back to your corner and stfu. The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
Xgkkp GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.28 17:44:00 - [60] Originally by: fmercury Apparently it's getting the most words. 2000 people just had their switches changed from "Don't post" to "Post carefully" to "Post freely" in a few days. I'm really not suprised at the flood of posts.

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