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HippoKing Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.29 11:56:00 - [31] Originally by: Jim McGregor If BoB doesnt succeed driving the goons out of 0.0, I think with time goons will become very powerful. Imagine a future goonfleet where each member has 30 million skillpoints. TBH, if you can get then all with 10mil SP and well skilled in a Rokh, you'd be onto a winner. You also have to remember how goons grow up in eve. Most people start off in empire, running around carebearing. Goons start off in Syndicate surrounded by big red people, running around and yelling "fofofo", "vroom vroom" or "beep beep beep" until they get podded. Hell of a way to get into the game. It always makes me think of the sardukar/fremen in Dune, who kick ass because they grew up in really tough conditions. When they have more SP, players who've been PvPing and flying in fleets since day one, who don't care about losses and who have such a strong dedication to their alliance (and all goonkind) should be an awesome force.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.29 11:58:00 - [32] Originally by: HippoKing It always makes me think of the sardukar/fremen in Dune, who kick ass because they grew up in really tough conditions. When they have more SP, players who've been PvPing and flying in fleets since day one, who don't care about losses and who have such a strong dedication to their alliance (and all goonkind) should be an awesome force. Grief maketh the player. Anyway, I might go join goonies. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.29 12:01:00 - [33] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Jim McGregor If BoB doesnt succeed driving the goons out of 0.0, I think with time goons will become very powerful. Imagine a future goonfleet where each member has 30 million skillpoints. TBH, if you can get then all with 10mil SP and well skilled in a Rokh, you'd be onto a winner. You also have to remember how goons grow up in eve. Most people start off in empire, running around carebearing. Goons start off in Syndicate surrounded by big red people, running around and yelling "fofofo", "vroom vroom" or "beep beep beep" until they get podded. Hell of a way to get into the game. It always makes me think of the sardukar/fremen in Dune, who kick ass because they grew up in really tough conditions. When they have more SP, players who've been PvPing and flying in fleets since day one, who don't care about losses and who have such a strong dedication to their alliance (and all goonkind) should be an awesome force. Yep. There is alot of smacktalk being done, but personally i think the dedication of the goons is amazing. And yeah, i fully count on them to become a real threat in the future if they survive the starting years. Basicly they could just play another game for a while too, until their skillpoints reach the point where they fully can compete. Ive always been a sucker for the underdog too. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
HippoKing Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.29 12:02:00 - [34] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: HippoKing It always makes me think of the sardukar/fremen in Dune, who kick ass because they grew up in really tough conditions. When they have more SP, players who've been PvPing and flying in fleets since day one, who don't care about losses and who have such a strong dedication to their alliance (and all goonkind) should be an awesome force. Grief maketh the player. Anyway, I might go join goonies. You have to be a goon to do that. On the other hand, I do love the way they play, and I have intense respect for several of them. Quite a lot are complete ****s as well though. Don't know of an alliance I can't say this of though (apart from Otherworld. I respect every member of that)
Nicholai Pestot Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.29 12:13:00 - [35] Originally by: HippoKing (apart from Otherworld. I respect every member of that) I dunno, their leader is allright, its just their members seem a bit flakey, they never turn up to alliance opps ________________ What you do is you store up the rage, let it fester while you gain strength, then use it to gank those weaker than you... and so the circle of life is complete
The Hand	Posted - 2006.07.29 12:23:00 - [36] Guys Guys hold up. Firstly if any of you actualy knew Smoske then you would know why bob are so fired up, He was an spot on guy and died way before his time. For some nubtard to go making a joke out of it is sick and immoral, they should be banned for making that sig. Secondly As far as i know Smoske's dad still playes eve now, Have some respect if he has to keep reading posts like this day after day your bringing back horrific memories for him, please just let it go.
Tachy	Posted - 2006.07.29 12:32:00 - [37] Then petition the offender. Throwing RL threats and smacking on the forum are definately not the way to go. --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
HippoKing Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.29 12:35:00 - [38] Originally by: Tachy Then petition the offender. Throwing RL threats and smacking on the forum are definately not the way to go. Bad taste on a private forum is not petitionable
Space Gurl	Posted - 2006.07.29 12:40:00 - [39] OMG OMG I DONT LIKE WHAT HES SAYING, I Cant press BLOCK or Ignore him or just skip his drivvel. WHat shall I do!!!! I know Ill pettion and cry like the little girl I am! Please, do you do this in real life? When you dont like something do you run home to your mother? GROW UP.
Tachy	Posted - 2006.07.29 12:54:00 - [40] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Tachy Then petition the offender. Throwing RL threats and smacking on the forum are definately not the way to go. Bad taste on a private forum is not petitionable But you can hit the forum owner's inbox with a little email. Most will quickly stop such a behaviour. --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
Space Gurl	Posted - 2006.07.29 13:03:00 - [41] Edited by: Space Gurl on 29/07/2006 13:02:46 Yesss RUN TO MOMMY :) Do you surf the internet and play EVE with a cuddly teady bear beside you sucking your thumb too? Maybe you need parental supervision too.
Tachy	Posted - 2006.07.29 13:07:00 - [42] Originally by: Space Gurl Edited by: Space Gurl on 29/07/2006 13:02:46 Yesss RUN TO MOMMY :) Do you surf the internet and play EVE with a cuddly teady bear beside you sucking your thumb too? Maybe you need parental supervision too. Internet is not lawless territory. In many countries such a sig would allow for some hefty fines. And I am cuddly all by myself, thank you. --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
Space Gurl	Posted - 2006.07.29 13:10:00 - [43] No but the game claims to be "cut throat" no?
Tachy	Posted - 2006.07.29 13:14:00 - [44] The tasteless and offensive sig is not part of the game. Threats against players are definately out of game offenses the police will hunt down if you point it out to them. --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
Space Gurl	Posted - 2006.07.29 13:19:00 - [45] Originally by: Tachy The tasteless and offensive sig is not part of the game. Threats against players are definately out of game offenses the police will hunt down if you point it out to them. Then go call the police and stop yer whining on a forum LOL: OMG OMG HES THREATENING ME, I KNOW, ILL CRY ON A FORUM INSTEAD OF CALLING THE POLICE!. Priceless.
Rutta GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.29 13:20:00 - [46] Originally by: Tachy The tasteless and offensive sig is not part of the game. Threats against players are definately out of game offenses the police will hunt down if you point it out to them. Guess what the sig wasn't on the game forums either, it was off-site until some BoB decided to bring up a corpse to beat the war drums.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.29 13:20:00 - [47] Originally by: Space Gurl Originally by: Tachy The tasteless and offensive sig is not part of the game. Threats against players are definately out of game offenses the police will hunt down if you point it out to them. Then go call the police and stop yer whining on a forum LOL: OMG OMG HES THREATENING ME, I KNOW, ILL CRY ON A FORUM INSTEAD OF CALLING THE POLICE!. Priceless. Just admit you are Stavros alt and get it over with. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Space Gurl	Posted - 2006.07.29 13:23:00 - [48] Edited by: Space Gurl on 29/07/2006 13:23:09 Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Space Gurl Originally by: Tachy The tasteless and offensive sig is not part of the game. Threats against players are definately out of game offenses the police will hunt down if you point it out to them. Then go call the police and stop yer whining on a forum LOL: OMG OMG HES THREATENING ME, I KNOW, ILL CRY ON A FORUM INSTEAD OF CALLING THE POLICE!. Priceless. Just admit you are Stavros alt and get it over with. Who is stavros? vacant look
Space Gurl	Posted - 2006.07.29 13:31:00 - [49] Originally by: The Hand Guys Guys hold up. Firstly if any of you actualy knew Smoske then you would know why bob are so fired up, He was an spot on guy and died way before his time. For some nubtard to go making a joke out of it is sick and immoral, they should be banned for making that sig. Secondly As far as i know Smoske's dad still playes eve now, Have some respect if he has to keep reading posts like this day after day your bringing back horrific memories for him, please just let it go. Maybe I shouldnt ask but why are you called The Hand or is that Too Much Info?
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2006.07.29 14:09:00 - [50] The (supposed) honor of dead men sparking a conflict (and war) full of spite and hatred - i have seen this too many times. Im pretty certain that not everyone wants to be remembered because people slaughter, maim and debase in memory of his name.
Baldour Ngarr Artemis Rising	Posted - 2006.07.29 14:34:00 - [51] Originally by: Argenton Sayvers The (supposed) honor of dead men sparking a conflict (and war) full of spite and hatred - i have seen this too many times. Im pretty certain that not everyone wants to be remembered because people slaughter, maim and debase in memory of his name. Anybody remember this saying from their childhood? "Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me." So someone's showing grossly offensive taste. So what? Don't read what he writes. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Space Gurl	Posted - 2006.07.29 14:41:00 - [52] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Argenton Sayvers The (supposed) honor of dead men sparking a conflict (and war) full of spite and hatred - i have seen this too many times. Im pretty certain that not everyone wants to be remembered because people slaughter, maim and debase in memory of his name. Anybody remember this saying from their childhood? "Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me." So someone's showing grossly offensive taste. So what? Don't read what he writes. NOOOOOO! We have to petition, cry like a wuss and then post on EVE chat endlessly and the forums!!! STOP STOP YOUR BURSTING MY BUBBLE!
Ghoest	Posted - 2006.07.29 15:15:00 - [53] It may be against the rules to try and drive a particular player from the game. It is not against the rules to try to drive out(ie destroy) an entire corp or alliance. Wherever you went - here you are.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2006.07.29 16:42:00 - [54] This is going to be my first and last post on this matter. It's my personal view only. This isn't about the Smoske bit for me. At most that is indicative of an attitude held and defended by goonfleet/swarm members within Eve. That attitude is what this is about for me. I very much like Eve, and after three years of play that liking mainly comes down to liking the community. Wether people are my enemy ingame or my friend has never really mattered to me. All the negative responses I've given to other players ingame or on the forums has always either been part of an (heated) argument or part of a form of roleplay. Neither has ever lasted longer then the argument it was part of did. It's not the sig, nor the old jokes. It's the compounded total of incidents and occurences (that I have no desire to repeat or list on these forums) that indicate a common mindset and culture within their ranks. That is what makes this one different for me. I do not want that mindset or culture as part of this community. Contrary to what some are posting here, no rl threats have been made (actually the opposite has been said in the thread these posters refer to), and no conduct that pertains to harrasment under the Eve EULA or TOS has been proposed or will be undertaken. Be sure that this is going to last as long as it takes as far as I am concerned. That is all. Old blog
Grimster Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.07.29 16:54:00 - [55] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr I just know that griefing players with the deliberate intention of forcing them out of the game, isn't allowed. I don't know if that's what BoB are trying to do, and I wouldn't care either way; but according to the piece I quoted, that's exactly the case here. So what's your solution? Permaban the entire BoB alliance? At the end of the day you cannot force anyone to do anything here, it's a game, there are always ways around being affected by war decs and why the hell would anyone want to leave the game for a war? Sure, anyone can SAY they would grief another person out of the game, I could SAY that I would like to be the king of the world, but really? Nah, it can't be done unless someone wants to leave the game. Adapt and overcome is all.
Saeris Tal'Urduar Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.29 16:55:00 - [56] Originally by: HippoKing You also have to remember how goons grow up in eve. Most people start off in empire, running around carebearing. Goons start off in Syndicate surrounded by big red people, running around and yelling "fofofo", "vroom vroom" or "beep beep beep" until they get podded. Hell of a way to get into the game. That was good for a snicker. And no not the candybar
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.07.29 17:32:00 - [57] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: HippoKing It always makes me think of the sardukar/fremen in Dune, who kick ass because they grew up in really tough conditions. When they have more SP, players who've been PvPing and flying in fleets since day one, who don't care about losses and who have such a strong dedication to their alliance (and all goonkind) should be an awesome force. Grief maketh the player. Anyway, I might go join goonies. Full of bees, the darkside is. A path, you cannot walk. We're going to need some 'spitfire solution' come factional warfare anyways.
Uncauzi Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.29 17:36:00 - [58] Originally by: Rod Blaine I do not want that mindset or culture as part of this community. That's the only reason I'm asking this. You're trying to drive a lot of people from the game. This isn't about ingame issues. I'm just asking if that's allowable ;).
Ryoko Hunter	Posted - 2006.07.29 17:49:00 - [59] Originally by: Rod Blaine This is going to be my first and last post on this matter. It's my personal view only. This isn't about the Smoske bit for me. At most that is indicative of an attitude held and defended by goonfleet/swarm members within Eve. That attitude is what this is about for me. I very much like Eve, and after three years of play that liking mainly comes down to liking the community. Wether people are my enemy ingame or my friend has never really mattered to me. All the negative responses I've given to other players ingame or on the forums has always either been part of an (heated) argument or part of a form of roleplay. Neither has ever lasted longer then the argument it was part of did. It's not the sig, nor the old jokes. It's the compounded total of incidents and occurences (that I have no desire to repeat or list on these forums) that indicate a common mindset and culture within their ranks. That is what makes this one different for me. You do realize that this is the excuse for most racists (who actually have an excuse). What you just said is "I spotted a few of them doing something I didn't like, and just assumed that all of them are like that and am therefore compelled to act against them in whatever way I am able." There are always bad people in every large group, but the moment you start grouping people like this and assuming they're all alike, you start down the very dark road that leads towards a psuedo-racism (predjudice, sexism [which has the same basic origin] or whichever word best applies here). Quote: I do not want that mindset or culture as part of this community. "GET THOSE DAMN racial slur's OUT OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD!" Quote: Contrary to what some are posting here, no rl threats have been made (actually the opposite has been said in the thread these posters refer to), and no conduct that pertains to harrasment under the Eve EULA or TOS has been proposed or will be undertaken. Be sure that this is going to last as long as it takes as far as I am concerned. That is all. I'm just using this post to explain what I hear from a lot of people now.
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2006.07.29 18:14:00 - [60] Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 29/07/2006 18:16:45 Originally by: Uncauzi Originally by: Rod Blaine I do not want that mindset or culture as part of this community. That's the only reason I'm asking this. You're trying to drive a lot of people from the game. This isn't about ingame issues. I'm just asking if that's allowable ;). With that logic you could say pirates drive people from the game when they shoot noobs in low sec or mercs when they get paid to declare war on people that don't want to fight. GS have the same options the above have fight or leave. Also Ryoko Hunter racist slurs what are you talking about honestly, BOB and many many others don't like GS or how they conduct themselves in this game they want to kill them this does not make them racist?

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