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Uncauzi
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.29 18:27:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Traxio Nacho
With that logic you could say pirates drive people from the game when they shoot noobs in low sec or mercs when they get paid to declare war on people that don't want to fight.
GS have the same options the above have fight or leave.
Err, no? Pirates are trying to take items/areas. They could care less about their targets, usually.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.07.29 18:30:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Ryoko Hunter You do realize that this is the excuse for most racists (who actually have an excuse).
Please do not compare my expression of opinion with racism. If it is, and if any action I intend to undertake ingame because of my opinion is, then so is the voting process in any democratic country racism.
Secondly, read my post again carefully. I did not say I think every goon shares the same values or behaviour. That would be a silly thing to think would it not ? However, within Eve I believe in guilt by continued association, so that means any goon will be held accountable for the actions of any single one. Wether you agree with that or not is a moot point to me, i don't care.
Lastly, I've yet to state I want to drive anyone out of the game. Again, carefull reading would seem to be in order.
Oh, and don't bother replying, this will indeed be the last post on the subject from me. Consider yourself invited to argue with me on any other subject tho, I'm not omnipotent or uninterested, I just have no desire to argue about this.
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2006.07.29 18:38:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Uncauzi
Originally by: Traxio Nacho
With that logic you could say pirates drive people from the game when they shoot noobs in low sec or mercs when they get paid to declare war on people that don't want to fight.
GS have the same options the above have fight or leave.
Err, no? Pirates are trying to take items/areas. They could care less about their targets, usually.
That makes things different how? Alot of pirates don't kill people because they want to make Isk but for the fun of it.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.29 18:42:00 -
[64]
Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 29/07/2006 18:42:26 if u still wondered why were doin this, or if u questioned our reasons:
check this
got convoed by this theholyfath guy with no reason, the constant local smack seems to b normal for them..
edit: click on the image until you can read it. the gms were notified, and replied with actions were taken. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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Bavarian Punk
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.29 18:51:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Remedial's Speech
I am angry because I consider D2 to be like the worst sort of gamer. One who play Counter Strike and they lose complain about the other guy hacking. When they play ******* WarCraft III or StarCraft theyÆre the guys who quit as soon as they see a rush. If they canÆt win on their terms they donÆt want to play this game. So I say **** it, make it so they donÆt play this game. If we have to ruin their experience for them, to get them to quit, to get them to break down and cry and admit theyÆre not good enough by ******* camping them into a corner for a hundred hours straight, I say we do it.
Speaks for itself I guess. ---
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Phrixus Zephyr
Omega Corp
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Posted - 2006.07.29 19:14:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Rod Blaine This is going to be my first and last post on this matter. It's my personal view only.
This isn't about the Smoske bit for me. At most that is indicative of an attitude held and defended by goonfleet/swarm members within Eve. That attitude is what this is about for me. I very much like Eve, and after three years of play that liking mainly comes down to liking the community.
Wether people are my enemy ingame or my friend has never really mattered to me. All the negative responses I've given to other players ingame or on the forums has always either been part of an (heated) argument or part of a form of roleplay. Neither has ever lasted longer then the argument it was part of did.
It's not the sig, nor the old jokes. It's the compounded total of incidents and occurences (that I have no desire to repeat or list on these forums) that indicate a common mindset and culture within their ranks. That is what makes this one different for me.
I do not want that mindset or culture as part of this community.
Contrary to what some are posting here, no rl threats have been made (actually the opposite has been said in the thread these posters refer to), and no conduct that pertains to harrasment under the Eve EULA or TOS has been proposed or will be undertaken.
Be sure that this is going to last as long as it takes as far as I am concerned.
That is all.
I think an American comedian once said when he went to Australia a guy came up to him and said
"Hey i hate you American's, before you came along we didn't even have crime!" "Oh look there's the logic train.... no it's not stopping here"
Originally by: El Berto ...aparently being European makes me the spawn of Cthulhu.
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Dr Felonius
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.29 20:07:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Felonius on 29/07/2006 20:11:06
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 29/07/2006 18:42:26
got convoed by this theholyfath guy with no reason, the constant local smack seems to b normal for them.. ... the gms were notified, and replied with actions were taken.
This is a game full of piracy, espionage, corp theft, and escrow scammers. I don't see why anyone can put up with all that and get excited because someone said something mean. It makes no sense to me.
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Azuriel Talloth
M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.07.29 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Contrary to what some are posting here, no rl threats have been made
Actually they have. The threads were removed fairly quickly, but just pointing it out. I'm pedantic like that  ______________________
CCP Please rename "Warp Disrupt Probes" to "Interdiction Spheres", thanks! |

Otangka
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Posted - 2006.07.29 20:45:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Dr Felonius Edited by: Dr Felonius on 29/07/2006 20:11:06
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 29/07/2006 18:42:26
got convoed by this theholyfath guy with no reason, the constant local smack seems to b normal for them.. ... the gms were notified, and replied with actions were taken.
This is a game full of piracy, espionage, corp theft, and escrow scammers. I don't see why anyone can put up with all that and get excited because someone said something mean. It makes no sense to me.
QFT!
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Ninjja
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.29 20:51:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Ninjja on 29/07/2006 20:51:44 Double post. Sorry. Clicky: Eve Most Wanted List
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Ninjja
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.29 20:51:00 -
[71]
Unfortunately there is no such thing as a universal moral. Only policy can dictate how people behave. It is a fine line between greifing (which is allowed) and harrasment (which is not).
Although we are all compsed within ships, in space, flying around in a game, we are and always will be real people with real feelings who find it necessary if not ethical to lash out when they feel smitten and disrespected.
CCP can only dictate the fine line on thier own forums and in game, and i can assure you from a legal and liable standpoint they will. Continued gross harrassment is a legitimate cause for legal repricusions that CCP, nor any business, will tolerate.
Unfortunately we cannot impose our sense of morality on the world and debates and painful words like this will never cease.
I only hope that the majority of this resolution will take place somewhere in game.
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Illyna
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Posted - 2006.07.29 21:25:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Illyna on 29/07/2006 21:24:59 .
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Alistaire Mirabel
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.29 21:26:00 -
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Whatever the case maybe, since this whole mess started with Goons and BoB. If BoB wants to wipe out Goons, I say more power to them, I liked them (goons) at the begining, but lost allot of respect for their style of gaming. Anyway, in my current opinion, this is BoB and this is Goons.
If BoB makes at least some of the Goons quit or go play WoW or something, I would consider them sucsesfull.
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Virida
Mindstar Technology United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2006.07.29 21:26:00 -
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One good advice: dont post on forum angry. NEVER.
Personally, i am not of the type who start to hate players i play against in games, why? in command and conquer of old, or in conterstrike, or battlefield2, we do/did NOTHING but kill each other, and sometime make teams who kill, and clans practice against each other.
Myself ive been angry at pvp oponents ONCE. In my old mmo, anarchy online, one of the major pvp orgs, a "elite" one lead by one in US army, were my enemy in tower wars(quite close to POS wars, exept they dont mine one jot, its "RP mining"). What happened, was first, it was ingame explots(who, dont irritate me so much, exept its sad), then, a forum hack was used to bombard the email list of the moderator of guild forum, who meant players who where school kids still, got bombarded with **** involving disgusting stuff, and all drowned in flames, hate, and all just belived others where the worst creeps in universe...
What did i react to of this? only the harassment of sending **** to minors signed by a leading faction person of oposing side.
And, what is simmilarity with EVE? in Imperium alliance's war with bob last year, rona got sacked, at same time as bob just shot ppl inside a working fueled POS. Bob probably know it, we know it, and noone at all can explain what happened. since bob crushed the POSes, and all war assets were stolen, now ex imperiums got extremely low though of bob, QUITE low.
Me? I hope i meet some of you in fanfest and can have a chat  When you play a wargame, you DO defeat someone. I dont go around hateing ppl in real life, and i certainly do not in games.
Bob and goonfleet seems unable to "crush" each other at all, so why be hostile, and spam forum? My old alliance GOT crushed by bob, until all left. and, still im not hating bob, i think they got some of the most mature gamers in the game!
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Baldour Ngarr
Artemis Rising
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Posted - 2006.07.29 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Alistaire Mirabel If BoB makes at least some of the Goons quit or go play WoW or something, I would consider them sucsesfull.
And we're back where we came in.
If BoB have taken offence to something the Goons did IN-GAME, and are dealing with it by trying to destroy the Goon alliance, all well and good.
If they've taken offence to something that was done out of game, they damn well shouldn't do.
And if it's their objective to make people stop playing, they need booting out of the game, pronto, before they do any damage. ________________________________________________
"I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked." |

Alistaire Mirabel
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.29 21:43:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Alistaire Mirabel If BoB makes at least some of the Goons quit or go play WoW or something, I would consider them sucsesfull.
And we're back where we came in.
If BoB have taken offence to something the Goons did IN-GAME, and are dealing with it by trying to destroy the Goon alliance, all well and good.
If they've taken offence to something that was done out of game, they damn well shouldn't do.
And if it's their objective to make people stop playing, they need booting out of the game, pronto, before they do any damage.
The fact is, I have expressed my personal opinion on the matter. There is no actual proof that BobÆs intention is to make 'poor' goons quit the game. What I see in Goons is an invasion of an outside influence, organized invasion of 'outside interest' into EVE. I actually believe now that Goons and structures like Goons are bad for EVE.
And, since I equate Goons and roaches in the same category, I do not see any problems with exterminating as many of them as possible. Again, my personal opinion, but then I hope some people will agree with me.
Goons need to die, as many as possible; they are cancer on the society of EVE.
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Red Ochre
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Posted - 2006.07.29 21:47:00 -
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This is to good to pass up. two factions, both aiming to eliminate one another. the sickness that is BOB and the virus that is Goon, will try to cleanse each other in rightous fire.
and we, the meek, shall venture forth into the blasted systems claiming newly freed land to build upon, bringing forth a new hope, hope that springs from little kids, those young ones being able to grow up in a universe free of war and spite.
.........and one day, a young child will look up, after learning something in school, questioning eyes looking up to that loving father or mother and say....."What was BOB and Goonfleet?"
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goze
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.29 21:58:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Rod Blaine I do not want that mindset or culture as part of this community.
On the other hand, you accept and embrace people who make physical, real life threats about a video game? Some community you got there.
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xspionage
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.29 22:04:00 -
[79]
Originally by: goze
Originally by: Rod Blaine I do not want that mindset or culture as part of this community.
On the other hand, you accept and embrace people who make physical, real life threats about a video game? Some community you got there.
bahaha
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Nira Li
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.29 22:07:00 -
[80]
Originally by: goze
Originally by: Rod Blaine I do not want that mindset or culture as part of this community.
On the other hand, you accept and embrace people who make physical, real life threats about a video game? Some community you got there.
He does? Where did he say that?
We shoot goons cuz we don't like them. If some of them would leave the game because of this, it's not our fault.
Simple really.
You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys
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CSFFlame
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.29 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Red Ochre This is to good to pass up. two factions, both aiming to eliminate one another. the sickness that is BOB and the virus that is Goon, will try to cleanse each other in rightous fire.
and we, the meek, shall venture forth into the blasted systems claiming newly freed land to build upon, bringing forth a new hope, hope that springs from little kids, those young ones being able to grow up in a universe free of war and spite.
.........and one day, a young child will look up, after learning something in school, questioning eyes looking up to that loving father or mother and say....."What was BOB and Goonfleet?"

We have one system, S-U. BoB has several regions. hrm...
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goze
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.29 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Nira Li We shoot goons cuz we don't like them. If some of them would leave the game because of this, it's not our fault.
Simple really.
"What do you mean, officer? I didn't kill this man, he simply ran in front of my pistol while I was firing it in an entirely legal and safe matter! Clearly he is the one at fault here!"
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Nira Li
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.29 22:15:00 -
[83]
Originally by: goze
Originally by: Nira Li We shoot goons cuz we don't like them. If some of them would leave the game because of this, it's not our fault.
Simple really.
"What do you mean, officer? I didn't kill this man, he simply ran in front of my pistol while I was firing it in an entirely legal and safe matter! Clearly he is the one at fault here!"
I know you guys have your own humor but I never thought you were stupid 
You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys
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Rutta
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.29 22:19:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Nira Li
I know you guys have your own humor but I never thought you were stupid 
yes you did
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goze
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.29 22:22:00 -
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Edited by: goze on 29/07/2006 22:22:08
Originally by: Nira Li I know you guys have your own humor but I never thought you were stupid 
Then why are you posting things like this??
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=371344&page=3#83
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Ratso
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Posted - 2006.07.29 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Alistaire Mirabel I actually believe now that Goons and structures like Goons are bad for EVE.
So you're saying that more people playing the game is bad for Eve?
Because that's what Goons are. Just a lot of different people who want to play Eve. I can only really speak for myself, but in the two months I've been a member, it seems that the vast majority of Goons could care less about any drama. They just want to play the game and blow stuff up. We recognize that it's just a game, and treat it like one. I think it's ridiculous to hold the entire corporation responsible for one or two people acting out, but in the end, it makes no difference. I haven't seen anyone quit yet because we've been forced out by BoB. We really don't care, because we know we get to still blow stuff up anyway. Again, it's just a game. And frankly, seeing as how the servers can't really handle the kind of engagements that were going on in Cloud Ring, I think a lot of us are looking forward to getting back to enjoyable PVP.
If your argument is that large guilds or new players are bad for Eve, well, I can't help you there.
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Nira Li
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.29 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: goze Edited by: goze on 29/07/2006 22:22:08
Originally by: Nira Li I know you guys have your own humor but I never thought you were stupid 
Then why are you posting things like this??
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=371344&page=3#83
Because you made an assumption.
You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys
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GoonBee173
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Posted - 2006.07.29 22:35:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 29/07/2006 18:42:26 if u still wondered why were doin this, or if u questioned our reasons:
check this
got convoed by this theholyfath guy with no reason, the constant local smack seems to b normal for them..
edit: click on the image until you can read it. the gms were notified, and replied with actions were taken.
Yeah that couldn't possibly be some random pubbie or a D-2 alt fanning the flames oh wai
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goze
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.07.29 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Nira Li
Because you made an assumption.
Can you clarify something for me? When you join BoB is it a condition that you throw correlation and causation right out the window, or is it more of a personal thing for you?
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Tetsujin
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.29 22:35:00 -
[90]
Does a nerd have a ripping set of abs, a blackbelt in kickboxing, AND a supermodel girlfriend? I think not! Gwuffaw!
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