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Jared Flame	Posted - 2006.07.28 23:26:00 - [1] When you loose security status you can fix it by killing rats. However when you loose standings with an empire by doing missions, there is no 'practical' way of fixing it... The only way i have seen is by doing MORE missions and then declining storylines. Also, i have seen a friend of mine is -5 with Caldari State, he has done quite a lot of missions since then and has not fallen any further, does this mean that -5 is the worst you can become? One more thing, diplomacy increases your standings by 0.4 per level. If you train that to 5 that would boost you from -5 to -3? What if you trained that to 5 and then did more missions, would that take you down and make the skill worthless? Or would it then not go any further than -3 because -5 seems to be the limit? And if that is that is the case, would training that skill to level 5 mean that you can go into any empire system at all with no death from the navy, even if you became really bad with them? Sorry, lots of questions at once, i just saw this and started to wonder, lol.
thiefkiller3	Posted - 2006.07.29 01:04:00 - [2] Originally by: Jared Flame When you loose security status you can fix it by killing rats. However when you loose standings with an empire by doing missions, there is no 'practical' way of fixing it... Yes, there is The only way i have seen is by doing MORE missions and then declining storylines. That makes no sense Also, i have seen a friend of mine is -5 with Caldari State, he has done quite a lot of missions since then and has not fallen any further, does this mean that -5 is the worst you can become? Dunno, exactly, whats the lowest sec possible. But it makes sense that -10 is the worst as +10 is the best One more thing, diplomacy increases your standings by 0.4 per level. If you train that to 5 that would boost you from -5 to -3? What if you trained that to 5 and then did more missions, would that take you down and make the skill worthless? Or would it then not go any further than -3 because -5 seems to be the limit? Who cares? -3 is as bad as -5, consequence wise And if that is that is the case, would training that skill to level 5 mean that you can go into any empire system at all with no death from the navy, even if you became really bad with them? No Sorry, lots of questions at once, i just saw this and started to wonder, lol. So many questions, yet not the obvious one. So let me help ya out.... Q)What do you do when your sec is so low with a race that none of their agents will talk to you? A) You work for Sisters of Eve or Interbus to improve your sec as they give sec to all 4 races. I worked my way up from a -1.2 and it was not fun. Cheers
dalman Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.07.29 01:14:00 - [3] Originally by: thiefkiller3 Originally by: Jared Flame One more thing, diplomacy increases your standings by 0.4 per level. If you train that to 5 that would boost you from -5 to -3? Who cares? -3 is as bad as -5, consequence wise And if that is that is the case, would training that skill to level 5 mean that you can go into any empire system at all with no death from the navy, even if you became really bad with them? No Err, the skill bonus is applied to the difference between your standing and +10. Being -5.0, that'd give you 20% * 15 = 3, raising your standing to -2.0 Is that where factions starts shooting at you? Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Dahak2150	Posted - 2006.07.29 01:54:00 - [4] Originally by: dalman Originally by: thiefkiller3 Originally by: Jared Flame One more thing, diplomacy increases your standings by 0.4 per level. If you train that to 5 that would boost you from -5 to -3? Who cares? -3 is as bad as -5, consequence wise And if that is that is the case, would training that skill to level 5 mean that you can go into any empire system at all with no death from the navy, even if you became really bad with them? No Err, the skill bonus is applied to the difference between your standing and +10. Being -5.0, that'd give you 20% * 15 = 3, raising your standing to -2.0 Is that where factions starts shooting at you? I'm pretty certain it's an improvement of .4, not 40%. Because 40% is whack.
Jared Flame	Posted - 2006.07.29 03:08:00 - [5] As far as i was aware, -5 they shoot you and anything above that they dont??
Teccmo Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.29 10:09:00 - [6] Well, I'm pretty sure the reason your not going below -5 is because your standings with empires work the same way as your sec status, once you get to +5 sec status.... it becomes increasingly more difficult to gain status , piwatz have it a little easier because u can gank noobs all day and take decent sec hits regardless, I've heard getting from -9.9 to -10 can take months. I don't know the math but the point is once you hit -5 or +5 gaining, losing status is a time consuming task. ===There is an eerie calm in space, fragile minds shatter=== Who theyah called muh name??
Jasharin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.29 10:52:00 - [7] Originally by: Jared Flame As far as i was aware, -5 they shoot you and anything above that they dont?? This is correct. You can go into NPC empire space anytime your standing with that faction (Amarr, Caldari etc) is greater than -5.0. As soon as it drops below -5.0, then you are kill on sight to all racial NPCs. Faction standings work differently to CONCORD/sec status in that regard. So with a -1.0 Amarr standing, you can still enter all Amarr space. However, with a -1.0 (I think) sec status, you can't enter any 1.0 space, period.
Drizit Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.29 11:20:00 - [8] At what point do the NPC rats go from red overview icon to white icon and not regard you as KOS? If you do missions for Guristas for example, what standing must you have before you can mine in asteroid belts unmolested by their belt patrols? You can't have it both ways, if you have a low standing with empire factions, they will shoot at you. Therefore if you have a high standing with the rat faction that patrols the belts, they should leave you alone. Anything less makes it pointless doing missions for the NPC rats. --
Miss Overlord	Posted - 2006.07.29 11:29:00 - [9] soultion all factions should have one basic agent accessible even if u are at maxed out negative -5 standings (yes u have always killed us but work for this agent till u get to say the next one at -4.5 or -4 and then u can get back into our good books ) offset it would be a level 1 , -20Q agent and it would be kidna time consuming (of course cosmos is another option)
Lord Sid Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.29 12:28:00 - [10] Ever heard of burning bridges? Well if you **** someone off enough I don't think there's much you could do to be forgiven. -=Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds=-
Ghoest	Posted - 2006.07.29 13:31:00 - [11] There is a possible faction chain for pretty much everything in EVE. But they can be insanely long and tedious to th epoint of uselessness. Wherever you went - here you are.
Eilie Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.29 13:36:00 - [12] People need to stop telling people to work for Sisters of Eve. SoE IS NO LONGER POSITIVE STANDING TO ALL 4 EMPIRE FACTIONS! To repair your standing, you can just work for the ally of that faction (for example if you are low Gallente, than work for Minmatar) or purposely fail important missions for the enemy of that faction (for example if you are low Gallente, accept a Caldari important mission and than fail it.)
Tachy	Posted - 2006.07.29 14:34:00 - [13] Interbus doesn't offer important missions for way over a year. Officials been talking about removing that now useless faction completely when the factional warfare arrives. IB was meant to offer transportation services for goods and pilots. That was never implemented and parts where realised in shuttles and player courier missions instead. --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.29 14:50:00 - [14] There is also a reason why 0.0 NPCing is better mission running. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Ghoest	Posted - 2006.07.29 14:57:00 - [15] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire There is also a reason why 0.0 NPCing is better mission running. Not for faction reasons. You need to be smart though about who you run missions for. Especially if your in research its important. One good plan is if you plan to run Minmatar missions then also run a few Caldari missions. Get Minm as high as you can but keep Cald at around 0. That will let you keep Amar about -.5 . You will end up losing rat faction, but you only need rat faction if you plan to run missions for them - which ruins Empire really fast. Wherever you went - here you are.
Jared Flame Hidden Realm Inc 9th Fleet	Posted - 2006.08.01 08:33:00 - [16] I have discovered the answer!! InterBus. They are friendly with all the Empires, and dislike all pirates. If you should fall too bad, just make sure you can still enter an area with a good InterBus agent and do missions, in theory it should improve your standings with all the Empires.
Eilie Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.01 08:36:00 - [17] Originally by: Jared Flame I have discovered the answer!! InterBus. They are friendly with all the Empires, and dislike all pirates. If you should fall too bad, just make sure you can still enter an area with a good InterBus agent and do missions, in theory it should improve your standings with all the Empires. As was already mentioned: "INTERBUS HASN'T OFFERED IMPORTANT MISSIONS FOR OVER A YEAR!" ...and without important missions, you won't be getting any standings!
News Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.01 08:47:00 - [18] The navy npc's that consider you KOS are a joke. Or at least they used to, maybe they've been boosted since I last ran into them (probably about a year ago). The Khanid used to sent 2 frigs and a cruiser after me, that couldn't even pop me in an afk'ing shuttle. It's a drag when you want to camp a a station though. One thing not to do, is shoot back at them and then warp to a gate with customs of their race. I did this once (before you got the yellow aggro timer on your screen) and got bbq'ed pretty fast by customs that would normally ignore me. With interbus not giving out important missions, it's all pretty shady tbh. I can't recall exactly, but I think I remember that SOE weren't an option for me somehow (maybe they don't like Khanid, I'm not sure). I concluded that there wasn't an actual ingame way to improve my standings. Fortunately a GM agreed with me and fixed them for me (the timer was bugged as well, the gate npc's would still kill me even after an hour). Btw, Interbus doesn't give out important missions because those are coded to refer you to an agent for a different corp of the same faction. The Interbus faction only has the Interbus corp in it...
Jared Flame Hidden Realm Inc 9th Fleet	Posted - 2006.08.01 08:55:00 - [19] So there really is no practical way to fix your standings once you go too low? That kind of sucks...
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.01 09:04:00 - [20] Nope no practical way. My Caldari standing is effectively unrepairable, and so are all my pirate faction standings ( which is a lot more annoying then Caldari standing which I like being low. )
LexaKosh	Posted - 2006.08.01 10:14:00 - [21] Originally by: Teccmo Well, I'm pretty sure the reason your not going below -5 is because your standings with empires work the same way as your sec status, once you get to +5 sec status.... it becomes increasingly more difficult to gain status , piwatz have it a little easier because u can gank noobs all day and take decent sec hits regardless, I've heard getting from -9.9 to -10 can take months. I don't know the math but the point is once you hit -5 or +5 gaining, losing status is a time consuming task. Not entirely true. The reason behind it lies in the way the factions interact with each other. Example: Amarr likes Caldari. Their standing with other is around 7.5 iirc. This is important, as it also means that you can run Amarr missions forever, but the standing increase for important missions is capped for the allied faction at 7.5!!! So, if you should have standings for Amarr and Caldari both at 7.5, an additional important mission for Amarr will increase your standing with Amarr but NOT with Caldari! (although you will still get an entry in the log) The same applies in the opposite direction: Amarr dislikes Minmattar. Their standing towards each other is -5. If your standings should be +9 with Amarr and -5 with Minmattar, an important mission for Amarr will further increase your standings with the Empire, but your standing with Minmattar will not drop below -5. Only way I can imagine to drop below -5 should be, if you shoot Minmattar ships during a mission (or perhaps the ones they send out after you when you cross their borders with -5). That I cannot confirm ... yet
Sarah Le'Stal Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.08.03 04:42:00 - [22] Im just starting up missions myself. So, if i do a bunch of Gallente missions until i get up to the next level of agent, then go and do the same with Caldari, and keep switching between the two, i should be good with the lot? Or is it not as easy as that?
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.03 05:10:00 - [23] Originally by: Dahak2150 Originally by: dalman Originally by: thiefkiller3 Originally by: Jared Flame One more thing, diplomacy increases your standings by 0.4 per level. If you train that to 5 that would boost you from -5 to -3? Who cares? -3 is as bad as -5, consequence wise And if that is that is the case, would training that skill to level 5 mean that you can go into any empire system at all with no death from the navy, even if you became really bad with them? No Err, the skill bonus is applied to the difference between your standing and +10. Being -5.0, that'd give you 20% * 15 = 3, raising your standing to -2.0 Is that where factions starts shooting at you? I'm pretty certain it's an improvement of .4, not 40%. Because 40% is whack. I'm pretty sure that 40% is 0.4. Originally by: Panzer Goddess I podded wrangler, and all I got was this lousy forumban.
abraheam Caldari Emerald Empire Miners With Attitude	Posted - 2006.08.03 07:03:00 - [24] So as a newly minted R&D runner doing haulinh missions doasnt affect other corp standings correct? If not a lot the sticky guides need to be updated.
Arrs Grazznic Freelancer Association	Posted - 2006.08.03 10:19:00 - [25] Originally by: LexaKosh Not entirely true. The reason behind it lies in the way the factions interact with each other. Example: Amarr likes Caldari. Their standing with other is around 7.5 iirc. This is important, as it also means that you can run Amarr missions forever, but the standing increase for important missions is capped for the allied faction at 7.5!!! So, if you should have standings for Amarr and Caldari both at 7.5, an additional important mission for Amarr will increase your standing with Amarr but NOT with Caldari! (although you will still get an entry in the log) The same applies in the opposite direction: Amarr dislikes Minmattar. Their standing towards each other is -5. If your standings should be +9 with Amarr and -5 with Minmattar, an important mission for Amarr will further increase your standings with the Empire, but your standing with Minmattar will not drop below -5. Only way I can imagine to drop below -5 should be, if you shoot Minmattar ships during a mission (or perhaps the ones they send out after you when you cross their borders with -5). That I cannot confirm ... yet Are you sure about this? When I complete Gallente storyline missions, I receive standing losses to Serpentis. My standing with Serpentis is way below -9.5 despite their -9 standing with the Gallente Federation. The faction standings you mention affect the standing gains / losses to friendly / hostile factions that you get for completing storyline missions. A standing of 7.5 will result in a gain of 75% of the main standing gain. For example, if you run an Amarr Empire storyline mission and receive a 10% Amarr standing gain you will receive a 7.5% standing gain to Caldari State. You will also receive a -2% standing loss to the Gallente Federation. Cheers, Arrs. Do you want a sig like this? EVE-mail me or convo me in-game.
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.03 10:26:00 - [26] Edited by: Gariuys on 03/08/2006 10:28:20 Originally by: LexaKosh Originally by: Teccmo Well, I'm pretty sure the reason your not going below -5 is because your standings with empires work the same way as your sec status, once you get to +5 sec status.... it becomes increasingly more difficult to gain status , piwatz have it a little easier because u can gank noobs all day and take decent sec hits regardless, I've heard getting from -9.9 to -10 can take months. I don't know the math but the point is once you hit -5 or +5 gaining, losing status is a time consuming task. Not entirely true. The reason behind it lies in the way the factions interact with each other. Example: Amarr likes Caldari. Their standing with other is around 7.5 iirc. This is important, as it also means that you can run Amarr missions forever, but the standing increase for important missions is capped for the allied faction at 7.5!!! So, if you should have standings for Amarr and Caldari both at 7.5, an additional important mission for Amarr will increase your standing with Amarr but NOT with Caldari! (although you will still get an entry in the log) The same applies in the opposite direction: Amarr dislikes Minmattar. Their standing towards each other is -5. If your standings should be +9 with Amarr and -5 with Minmattar, an important mission for Amarr will further increase your standings with the Empire, but your standing with Minmattar will not drop below -5. Only way I can imagine to drop below -5 should be, if you shoot Minmattar ships during a mission (or perhaps the ones they send out after you when you cross their borders with -5). That I cannot confirm ... yet WRONG!!! look at my standings and tell me that that is correct. Unfortunatetly misguided not long term playing players giving advice these days. IF you don't understand the mechanics shut up about em. Relative standings between empires determines the percentage increase of your standing. The more parties like each other the bigger the gain is for doing a important mission for the other. Edited out the bit about bloody noobs, not nice, and he was probably told this by some "vet" that never bothered to actually understand but just guessed.
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.03 10:34:00 - [27] Worst you can become is -9.9(repeating) Diplomacy raises your standing by 4% of 10-current standing per lvl. Which is 0.4 if your standing is 0. So the skill doesn't become useless, it's relative effect becomes larger and larger the lower you get however!! it doesn't actually repair your standings anymore if you're -5 or lower since you can't work for a faction if you're -3 think lowest is like -1 or something. Standing decrease/increases work of 10-current standing so the lower/higher you go, the more difficult it becomes to increase/decrease it further. Let's just say that going to 10 ( it does round it to that eventually ) takes a lot of doing.
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard	Posted - 2006.08.03 10:56:00 - [28] I cannot give any answers on how to fix your standing, but I can give first hand experience on how the minnnie repblic fleet responds when I pay visit. 1 Cruiser and 2 frigates spawn about 15-20km away, pretty much anywhere you go. The frigs will slowly fly towards you and start firing at you. They will NOT web, scram or jam you. The cruiser will do likewise. Shooting them is completely "legal" . They will just respawn after a short time, and they respawn individually. You will not lose any standing by shooting them, neither will customs or gate guns respond when you fly to a gate. They pop-up says so, but I've remained untouched so far. I have even shot a few ships at gates without any problems. On the other hand, they can easily break a cruisers tank, not sure about a BS's. Enjoy the free fireworks
LexaKosh	Posted - 2006.08.03 11:11:00 - [29] Originally by: Gariuys Edited by: Gariuys on 03/08/2006 10:28:20 Originally by: LexaKosh Originally by: Teccmo Well, I'm pretty sure the reason your not going below -5 is because your standings with empires work the same way as your sec status, once you get to +5 sec status.... it becomes increasingly more difficult to gain status , piwatz have it a little easier because u can gank noobs all day and take decent sec hits regardless, I've heard getting from -9.9 to -10 can take months. I don't know the math but the point is once you hit -5 or +5 gaining, losing status is a time consuming task. Not entirely true. The reason behind it lies in the way the factions interact with each other. Example: Amarr likes Caldari. Their standing with other is around 7.5 iirc. This is important, as it also means that you can run Amarr missions forever, but the standing increase for important missions is capped for the allied faction at 7.5!!! So, if you should have standings for Amarr and Caldari both at 7.5, an additional important mission for Amarr will increase your standing with Amarr but NOT with Caldari! (although you will still get an entry in the log) The same applies in the opposite direction: Amarr dislikes Minmattar. Their standing towards each other is -5. If your standings should be +9 with Amarr and -5 with Minmattar, an important mission for Amarr will further increase your standings with the Empire, but your standing with Minmattar will not drop below -5. Only way I can imagine to drop below -5 should be, if you shoot Minmattar ships during a mission (or perhaps the ones they send out after you when you cross their borders with -5). That I cannot confirm ... yet WRONG!!! look at my standings and tell me that that is correct. Unfortunatetly misguided not long term playing players giving advice these days. IF you don't understand the mechanics shut up about em. Relative standings between empires determines the percentage increase of your standing. The more parties like each other the bigger the gain is for doing a important mission for the other. Edited out the bit about bloody noobs, not nice, and he was probably told this by some "vet" that never bothered to actually understand but just guessed. Assuming someone else is a noob, does not make it true And you can be assured that what i wrote is true. I had quite a few mails with customer support to confirm that fact. It is also listed under "known issues", if you can be bothered to check facts before your ego kicks in
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.03 11:28:00 - [30] Guess that feature has been broken for as long as I've been playing then, cause my standings clearly show a different story.

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