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Rawthorm
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.29 03:21:00 -
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When the new range of capital ships came in the form of carriers, motherships and titans we all got excited.
Then we soon realized that someone at CCP got lazy and instead of programing in some brand spanking new code for the Cyno field, decided to (for whatever reason) canibilize the code from the cloaking modules.
This as you know had the result of completely screwing up the main role of one of the recon classes.
Now it seems that lazyness strikes again as the Clone Bay module also seems to be classified as a cloak and thus once again we have a nice little problem when you try to fit a cloak at the same time.
So in what was ment to be a flagship content patch, you managed to completely screw up the most usefull module to a mothership or titan and at the same time screw up the movement of these ships.
But hey whats done is done, lets get to the point.
What is going to be done about this and when?
It seems that capital ships as a minority class are getting overlooked on a number of issues, but this isnt some issue about stats.
This is about one of their primary uses being cripped and it needs fixing soon.
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xeom
Obsidian Sins
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Posted - 2006.07.29 03:45:00 -
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signed because the nyx is sexy.
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Saerid
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.29 03:47:00 -
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Deserves a read, definitely. It's an interesting question indeedy why they chose to reuse the cloak code by classifying them all as cloaks. Starting to sound like they gotta redo that entire bit of code if they want it to work.
Beyond that.. it's something like 4 am on saturday morning in Iceland, unless you keep bumping this the chances are between slim to nil some dev is gonna be reading this?
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Cruz
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.29 04:01:00 -
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Most likely because capital ships aren't really ment to be stealthy weapon systems....
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Rawthorm
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.29 04:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Cruz
Most likely because capital ships aren't really ment to be stealthy weapon systems....
This is not a debate about the finer points of cloaking a capital ship. You can and thats how it is ment to be.
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.29 04:19:00 -
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I don't care if they re-use the code to describe a banana to make black hole accelleration smurgle blaster 2000's. If it works. QA dropped the ball and priority hasn't been reassigned to the cloak / cyno field. I think CCP are fully capable of whipping out that code but as developers I think they are waiting for a major code release like Kali to get this in.
Team Minmatar
Carriers need Clone Vats
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Statics
A.W.M
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Posted - 2006.07.29 04:23:00 -
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CCP, can you please drop everything else you're doing to appease 0.0000001% of your subscriber base? sweetkthx.
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sr blackout
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.29 04:30:00 -
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Edited by: sr blackout on 29/07/2006 04:30:12
Originally by: Statics
CCP, can you please drop everything else you're doing to appease 0.0000001% of your subscriber base? sweetkthx.
no you have it wrong its more like a good % chunk of corps/alliances that worked there asses of for something that big to only see it being crimpled... its not a appease 0.0000001% of your subscribers, its corps and alliances by the numbers  and something that costs many many times more then a whole bunch of ppls ships and assets put together... its a joke, and its not something that you can just shrug your shoulder of and go on.
what about recon ships? did you miss that part as they suffer greatly from this as well.
and ya i do agree capital ships have been shafted and rushed into release and havent been fixed properly, and waiting for kali for some of the bug fixes is unacceptable to me.
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Shaikar
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.29 04:43:00 -
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Why does a capital ship not being able to use a cloak and a clone bay cripple the ship?
If that isn't your arguement (perhaps I misread) the what *is* your arguement?
Capital ships are fleet centrepoints, they're supposed be have a fleet escort to protect them, not spend all day rofl-ing around space cloaked, surely? Yet the current system does allow you to cloak yor capital, but only if you sacrifice a good part of the vessel's versatility to make it do somehting it's not designed to do - which makes sense.
Originally by: "Cloak item description"
A very specialized piece of technology the covert ops cloak is designed for use in tandem with the covert ops frigate. Although it could theoreticaly work on other ships its spatial distortion field is so unstable that trying to compensate for its fluctuations would overwhelm even the largest standard ship computers.
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Vicious Phoenix
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Posted - 2006.07.29 05:02:00 -
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Dunno about you guys, but it ****es me off big time that my recon can't fit both a cloak and cyno at the same time. This may not have a huge effect now, but imagine when a titan comes out to play in a fleet battle. Recon probes out and warps to enemy fleet cloaked. The recon sneaks near the middle of the enemy fleet, pops the cyno... BOOM superweapon activates, obliterating the enemy fleet. Thats what is supposed to happen, but as it stands now, that dream is impossible.
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Arkanor
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.29 06:21:00 -
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Recon ships I can agree with.
Something the size of a station should never cloak. Ever.
Originally by: Ghosthowl
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Merv Tring
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.29 07:12:00 -
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Obviously, the cloak interrupts the signal uplink of the clone bay that allows a pod polit's conciousness to be transferred to a new body. So if you cloak the ship, someone may not get cloned and die irretrievably.
Actually, maybe they should make it like that, after fixing so you can use both a cloak and a clone bay. That way you can have fun on TS when some ex-30-mil SP pilot suddenly starts asking who the "Goddamned ****-for-brains mother******" is that cloaked the mothership and killed him.
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Vathar
Elegance
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Posted - 2006.07.29 10:53:00 -
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Well, it the "clonebays and cloaks don't work together" was an intended feature, it wouldn't trouble, ccp would state that the two modules are incompatible and be done with it. However, in this case, it's a bug, cloesly linked to another well known and more annoying bug : "recon ships, cynos and cloaks" and I'm fairly certain that this one was never intended since it cripples recon ships even more than it cripples M-ships.
I'm no programmer and I dunno the amount of programming required to fix it, but that kind of fix SHOULD get higher priority since a class of ships can't really fulfill its role (recons, not m-ships and titans). I dunno what ccp is doing about this one, so I won't start shouting around without infos, but an announcement would be most welcome here.
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Originally by: Stamm
Minmatar are kind of like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair firing an uzi
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.29 10:58:00 -
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CCP doesnt care, the cloak/cynbo bug is older then most of us by now.
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Rawthorm
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.29 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Statics
CCP, can you please drop everything else you're doing to appease 0.0000001% of your subscriber base? sweetkthx.
Well the Cyno/Cloak side of the bug effects a few thousand players so I think your ratio is a bit off no?
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Rawthorm
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.29 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Arkanor
Recon ships I can agree with.
Something the size of a station should never cloak. Ever.
Good thing that motherships are little bigger than a carrier then eh 
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Taurgil
Balanced Unity
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Posted - 2006.07.29 14:15:00 -
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Edited by: Taurgil on 29/07/2006 14:15:28
From the post patch known issues:
"A Cloaking Device can't be activated if a Cynosural Generator is fitted."
At least CCP is aware of this and confirmed it as a bug.
A small step for playerkind, but...
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Ange1
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.29 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Cruz
Most likely because capital ships aren't really ment to be stealthy weapon systems....
To be honest, I've noticed that fitting a cloak to a Capital Ship seems common practice. Many Carriers I've encountered had a cloak fitted to it.
I can live with this problem if CCP say it was intended... but they haven't so it leaves us speculating whether its a bug or not =P
The Establishment is at your service...
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I'rim Khun
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Posted - 2006.07.29 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Rawthorm
Originally by: Cruz
Most likely because capital ships aren't really ment to be stealthy weapon systems....
This is not a debate about the finer points of cloaking a capital ship. You can and thats how it is ment to be.
Tbh i dont think the Nyx is meant to be used as a cloaked, pirating, blob in a can
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Rawthorm
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.29 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: I'rim Khun
Originally by: Rawthorm
Originally by: Cruz
Most likely because capital ships aren't really ment to be stealthy weapon systems....
This is not a debate about the finer points of cloaking a capital ship. You can and thats how it is ment to be.
Tbh i dont think the Nyx is meant to be used as a cloaked, pirating, blob in a can
And an Apoc wasnt designed to mine in, but people do it. We like to think outside of the box and if you dont aprove, well thats not my consern
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Ange1
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.29 14:45:00 -
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Did you say a Mothership was not meant to pirate? 
I must've missed that in the description for them...
The Establishment is at your service...
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Double TaP
The Establishment
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Posted - 2006.07.29 14:47:00 -
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The Establishment is a small corp. We worked our ass off for a mothership. Still doesn't change the fact that we are a small corp. How are we supposed to defend the ship against a fleet? Going to say that we cant have a mothership because we're a small corp? Those ships are only meant for big alliances that play fleet battle. This is a sandbox game that is what you make it, its like the good anology Rawthrom used earlier; I can't believe they let us fit mining lasers on an apoc!
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Davlin Lotze
Raging Destruction
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Posted - 2006.07.29 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ange1
Originally by: Cruz
Most likely because capital ships aren't really ment to be stealthy weapon systems....
To be honest, I've noticed that fitting a cloak to a Capital Ship seems common practice. Many Carriers I've encountered had a cloak fitted to it.
I can live with this problem if CCP say it was intended... but they haven't so it leaves us speculating whether its a bug or not =P
I fit a cloak on my carriers because frankly it makes going to take a dump a little less stressing 
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Double TaP
The Establishment
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Posted - 2006.07.29 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Davlin Lotze
Originally by: Ange1
Originally by: Cruz
Most likely because capital ships aren't really ment to be stealthy weapon systems....
To be honest, I've noticed that fitting a cloak to a Capital Ship seems common practice. Many Carriers I've encountered had a cloak fitted to it.
I can live with this problem if CCP say it was intended... but they haven't so it leaves us speculating whether its a bug or not =P
I fit a cloak on my carriers because frankly it makes going to take a dump a little less stressing
Bahahahha You win the forums for the day sir.
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Castar
Regeneration
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.07.29 16:12:00 -
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ROFL, I will mock any titan that fits a cloaking device. I will mock them... very much!
*Insert random fleet battle here* FC: "OMG the enemy jumped in a titan, a f*cking titan! OMG Primary Primary and secondary too kill kill kill!!! YAAAAAAA... eh? It's gone? Wtf? *think* *ponder* OK! Tacklers! Fly full speed to where that asteroid-field sized ship was located a moment ago!"
Yeah I know the purpose of a cloak is to sit in a SS and nobody can scan you down... But that's a bad idea for a titan... you don't fit guns or cloaks on a titan, you fit a trillion shield boosters and armor repairers and some resistance enhancing things, and you warp in... everybody start shooting the indestructible moon!
That was stupid, but fun. And more ontopic: the cloaking system is indeed completely retarded.
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.07.29 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Castar
ROFL, I will mock any titan that fits a cloaking device. I will mock them... very much!
*Insert random fleet battle here* FC: "OMG the enemy jumped in a titan, a f*cking titan! OMG Primary Primary and secondary too kill kill kill!!! YAAAAAAA... eh? It's gone? Wtf? *think* *ponder* OK! Tacklers! Fly full speed to where that asteroid-field sized ship was located a moment ago!"
Yeah I know the purpose of a cloak is to sit in a SS and nobody can scan you down... But that's a bad idea for a titan... you don't fit guns or cloaks on a titan, you fit a trillion shield boosters and armor repairers and some resistance enhancing things, and you warp in... everybody start shooting the indestructible moon!
That was stupid, but fun. And more ontopic: the cloaking system is indeed completely retarded.
Local:
fleet: LOL, whyd u cloak?
fleet: rofl, not cloaked anymore!!!
Titan: BECAUSE I'M EXTREEEEME!!!!!!!
fleet: oh ****, we aren't aligned!
(sector lags out due to killmails)
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Rawthorm
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.29 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Castar
Yeah I know the purpose of a cloak is to sit in a SS and nobody can scan you down... But that's a bad idea for a titan... you don't fit guns or cloaks on a titan, you fit a trillion shield boosters and armor repairers and some resistance enhancing things, and you warp in... everybody start shooting the indestructible moon!
In a dream world where Titans tank better than Dreadnoughts a cloak might be a bad idea.
But this is reality and even Titans are grossly fragile and will need to hide for most of the time. (At least until the whole capital ship concept is re-worked)
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Arkanor
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.29 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: Arkanor on 29/07/2006 21:10:05
Originally by: Rawthorm
Originally by: Arkanor
Recon ships I can agree with.
Something the size of a station should never cloak. Ever.
Good thing that motherships are little bigger than a carrier then eh
Carriers can dock, motherships and titans are the biggest of the big, I'm going to say it...
Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
Also, carriers lose track of their fighters when cloaked, explain the tactical usefulness of cloaking them?
On a side note, capital ships, especially the behemoths, need reworking. A titan should have no less than 1,000,000 HP and motherships should be somewhere nearby.
Originally by: Ghosthowl
WoW = hardcore paladins smashin dat face.
Originally by: HippoKing
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Statics
A.W.M
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Posted - 2006.07.29 21:39:00 -
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Edited by: Statics on 29/07/2006 21:41:29
Originally by: Rawthorm
Originally by: Statics
CCP, can you please drop everything else you're doing to appease 0.0000001% of your subscriber base? sweetkthx.
Well the Cyno/Cloak side of the bug effects a few thousand players so I think your ratio is a bit off no?
For giggles i'll consider 5,000 players (yeah right) out of 100,000 accounts (again, total understatement) have complaints about this issue. My bad, that's 5% of the subscriberbase. Thanks for correcting me! How many motherships are in Eve? Like, 6? 8? Including the 2 known ones BoB has? Yeah CCP are a bunch of dirtbag slackers for not prioritizing this.
We all know this affects recons and CCP knows about it, but i'm sure they have more important things to do to appease the other 95% of Eve at the moment and are in now way "dropping the ball".
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Eadeichi
Section XIII
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2006.07.29 21:47:00 -
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