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Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:09:00 - [61] Originally by: Sarmaul Erm ok turns out I didn't screw it up (sorry Jim :P) Fleet BS vs Standard Armour Resists Didn't bother including tracking computers as the optimal-range ratio will still be the same. Im sure there must be a error somewhere... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Tachy	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:10:00 - [62] Dixon: What is the length of the simulated fight? Why do you use only one type of ammo instead of the best available for each gun? --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:11:00 - [63] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Sarmaul Erm ok turns out I didn't screw it up (sorry Jim :P) Fleet BS vs Standard Armour Resists Didn't bother including tracking computers as the optimal-range ratio will still be the same. Im sure there must be a error somewhere... Not as far as I know :) There's a very good reason why I've shut up complaining about artillery in fleet fights :P TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:11:00 - [64] Originally by: Sarmaul Erm ok turns out I didn't screw it up (sorry Jim :P) Fleet BS vs Standard Armour Resists Didn't bother including tracking computers as the optimal-range ratio will still be the same. Got one on T1 ammos? Dont like to see T2 ammos. Ta. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Dixon	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:12:00 - [65] Originally by: Tachy Dixon: What is the length of the simulated fight? Why do you use only one type of ammo instead of the best available for each gun? The graph shows DOT, a bit different from DPS. The fight on the graph is endless and thus calculated with reloading times. The Maelstrom would be much better in the short run so the graph actually favors the rokh... but what were you saying about some quote?
Foulis Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:13:00 - [66] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Tachy The Hyperion still isn't a ship for running missions. Fat unsustainable tank ftl ... I don't think it will have a cargohold big enough to allow for sufficient ammo and cap boosters. Well, i dont even want a mission running ship for the minmatar. There is no need for it, since the Raven will always be a better choice simply because it can spam missiles. Typhoon Has cap issues and could really use an additional bonus. Either that or give it 7.5% for each like the Nag. ---- Cake > Pie - Imaran Originally by: CCP Hammer Boobies
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:13:00 - [67] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Sarmaul Erm ok turns out I didn't screw it up (sorry Jim :P) Fleet BS vs Standard Armour Resists Didn't bother including tracking computers as the optimal-range ratio will still be the same. Im sure there must be a error somewhere... Not as far as I know :) There's a very good reason why I've shut up complaining about artillery in fleet fights :P How do you feel about giving the Maelstrom DMG instead of ROF btw? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:16:00 - [68] Originally by: Foulis Has cap issues and could really use an additional bonus. Either that or give it 7.5% for each like the Nag. You do have quite a bit of drone space on that Typhoon though. Should make up for some of the damage, right? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:17:00 - [69] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Sarmaul Erm ok turns out I didn't screw it up (sorry Jim :P) Fleet BS vs Standard Armour Resists Didn't bother including tracking computers as the optimal-range ratio will still be the same. Got one on T1 ammos? Dont like to see T2 ammos. Ta. It's very messy, but Linkage TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:18:00 - [70] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Sarmaul Erm ok turns out I didn't screw it up (sorry Jim :P) Fleet BS vs Standard Armour Resists Didn't bother including tracking computers as the optimal-range ratio will still be the same. Got one on T1 ammos? Dont like to see T2 ammos. Ta. I dont think its wise to show you anything where minnie can somehow be better than Caldari. I know you will whine about it until caldari gets boosted. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
HappyKitten Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:18:00 - [71] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Foulis Has cap issues and could really use an additional bonus. Either that or give it 7.5% for each like the Nag. You do have quite a bit of drone space on that Typhoon though. Should make up for some of the damage, right? Although it's a dumb setup (and almost totally useless), the typhoon does actually have the highest possible DPS of all the battleships IIRC.
Dixon	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:18:00 - [72] Originally by: Foulis Has cap issues and could really use an additional bonus. Either that or give it 7.5% for each like the Nag. How can a ship that doesn't use any cap to fire it's guns have cap issues? And ... Originally by: Naglfar description 7.5% bonus to Capital Projectile rate of fire per level 5% bonus to Citadel Launcher rate of fire per level liar
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:20:00 - [73] Originally by: HappyKitten Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Foulis Has cap issues and could really use an additional bonus. Either that or give it 7.5% for each like the Nag. You do have quite a bit of drone space on that Typhoon though. Should make up for some of the damage, right? Although it's a dumb setup (and almost totally useless), the typhoon does actually have the highest possible DPS of all the battleships IIRC. Ive run some dps graphs and the mega has about 200-300 higher dps actually...typhoon is around 1000, mega around 1200-1300 depending on damage mods and ammo used. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:20:00 - [74] Originally by: Jim McGregor How do you feel about giving the Maelstrom DMG instead of ROF btw? It would give it an absolutely insane (well, more insane than usual) alpha strike and lower it's overall DPS, so no. With Quake and 3 damage mods, it will have an alpha strike of 7000 damage. As much as mere thought of it makes me very happy in the pants, it's a wee bit overpowered. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:21:00 - [75] Originally by: Sarmaul With Quake and 3 damage mods, it will have an alpha strike of 7000 damage. As much as mere thought of it makes me very happy in the pants, it's a wee bit overpowered. I definently agree. Enough said here i think. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:22:00 - [76] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Sarmaul Erm ok turns out I didn't screw it up (sorry Jim :P) Fleet BS vs Standard Armour Resists Didn't bother including tracking computers as the optimal-range ratio will still be the same. Got one on T1 ammos? Dont like to see T2 ammos. Ta. I dont think its wise to show you anything where minnie can somehow be better than Caldari. I know you will whine about it until caldari gets boosted. I am not a whiner unlike an overzealous Minmatarist. At least, I dont start so many Minmatar threads. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:22:00 - [77] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Sarmaul Erm ok turns out I didn't screw it up (sorry Jim :P) Fleet BS vs Standard Armour Resists Didn't bother including tracking computers as the optimal-range ratio will still be the same. Got one on T1 ammos? Dont like to see T2 ammos. Ta. It's very messy, but Linkage Looks beautiful with T1 ammos. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
xeom Obsidian Sins	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:22:00 - [78] Even if the NH was able to do 400 DPS like the sliepnir it would still own it. 25% restists < 37% boost Can't wait for october to roll around CCP where are our t2 shield power relays? \| Join[..SIN]
HappyKitten Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:23:00 - [79] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: HappyKitten Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Foulis Has cap issues and could really use an additional bonus. Either that or give it 7.5% for each like the Nag. You do have quite a bit of drone space on that Typhoon though. Should make up for some of the damage, right? Although it's a dumb setup (and almost totally useless), the typhoon does actually have the highest possible DPS of all the battleships IIRC. Ive run some dps graphs and the mega has about 200-300 higher dps actually...typhoon is around 1000, mega around 1200-1300 depending on damage mods and ammo used. Might have been wrong, but I'm pretty sure I got way over 1000. It was a totally ridiculous setup (4 800s, 4 siege, 4 painters, 4 BCUs, 3 Gyros, 5 Ogre IIs, maxed skills), but it had a huge DPS. Might have had a fitting mod and only 3 BCUs, can't quite remember.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:24:00 - [80] Originally by: HappyKitten Might have been wrong, but I'm pretty sure I got way over 1000. It was a totally ridiculous setup (4 800s, 4 siege, 4 painters, 4 BCUs, 3 Gyros, 5 Ogre IIs, maxed skills), but it had a huge DPS. Might have had a fitting mod and only 3 BCUs, can't quite remember. I didnt used painters. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:24:00 - [81] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I am not a whiner unlike an overzealous Minmatarist. At least, I dont start so many Minmatar threads. You might not start them, but ive never seen anyone being so extreamly worried about having less medium slots than minmatards... Oh well, the Rohk looks to get 7 mediums so im sure you are happy. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
HappyKitten Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:25:00 - [82] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: HappyKitten Might have been wrong, but I'm pretty sure I got way over 1000. It was a totally ridiculous setup (4 800s, 4 siege, 4 painters, 4 BCUs, 3 Gyros, 5 Ogre IIs, maxed skills), but it had a huge DPS. Might have had a fitting mod and only 3 BCUs, can't quite remember. I didnt used painters. Rage 4tw
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:30:00 - [83] Originally by: HappyKitten Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Sarmaul Who needs painters when the Hyp will have a sig of about 2500 when it mwds towards you? Uno volley. Were you ever on SiSi in the the CWE testing? I once one volleyed a mega with my raven Non. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:30:00 - [84] Originally by: HappyKitten Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Sarmaul Who needs painters when the Hyp will have a sig of about 2500 when it mwds towards you? Uno volley. Were you ever on SiSi in the the CWE testing? I once one volleyed a mega with my raven Yeah. Missiles are not overpowered at all. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
HappyKitten Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:32:00 - [85] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: HappyKitten Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Sarmaul Who needs painters when the Hyp will have a sig of about 2500 when it mwds towards you? Uno volley. Were you ever on SiSi in the the CWE testing? I once one volleyed a mega with my raven Yeah. Missiles are not overpowered at all. This was during the testing for introducing sig factored damage. They had just introduced it, and at the time, missiles did MORE damage if the sig was bigger. A volley of torps hit the mega, just as it put it's MWD on and demonstrated that that system of missile damage was totally broken Changed the next day
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:32:00 - [86] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: HappyKitten Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Sarmaul Who needs painters when the Hyp will have a sig of about 2500 when it mwds towards you? Uno volley. Were you ever on SiSi in the the CWE testing? I once one volleyed a mega with my raven Yeah. Missiles are not overpowered at all. It is a torpedo. There is nothing wrong with a torpedo and something the size of a structure. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:33:00 - [87] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire It is a torpedo. There is nothing wrong with a torpedo and something the size of a structure. Thats why minnie ships need target painting bonuses. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:34:00 - [88] Also, the Mael will do just over 6600 alpha with Quake, against a BS sized target and with no time to hit. If by some form of magical miricle all 6 wrecked (practically infinatly small chance btw), you're looking at 19800 alpha :P TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Pattern Clarc Dark Destiny Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:34:00 - [89] 5% speed bonuses per lvl to all ships please!!! :O Roden Shipyards? MWD cap penalty?
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:36:00 - [90] Originally by: Sarmaul Also, the Mael will do just over 6600 alpha with Quake, against a BS sized target and with no time to hit. If by some form of magical miricle all 6 wrecked (practically infinatly small chance btw), you're looking at 19800 alpha :P Cool. How will it be with autocannons you think? Will it replace the Tempest? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate

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