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Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 14:02:00 - [1] This thread is about minmatar. You can say anything you want in it as long as it is related to minmatar. Later on, when this page becomes as long as the Amarr one, we will just point at this thread and whine about Tuxford not replying to get what we want. Ok, im going to start off by saying that the new minnie bc looks like its going to rock. Armor tanking ftw! Oh, and boost minmatar. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Severa Crest Railgun Voodoo II	Posted - 2006.07.30 14:06:00 - [2] When the stats for the Maelstrom were announced, I thought "OMG what a pile of crap". After some thought I've realised that Minmatar is indeed hard mode - a fact that Hammer admitted himself. So if you pick hard mode, expect it to be erm.... hard. Matari 4TW.
HappyKitten Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 14:07:00 - [3] Armor tanking 4tw Shield tanking 4tl Unnerf hail please Speed is cool, slow ships (cough maelstrom cough) smell. Seed t2 duct tape, please. 49 pages, here we come!
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 14:08:00 - [4] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 30/07/2006 14:09:22 By the way... I would LOVE if Tuxford replied to this thread at page 1. That would be so insanely funny. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Quarantine Federation of Synthetic Persons YouWhat	Posted - 2006.07.30 14:11:00 - [5] I've always been curious if and how the Titan's gang bonus stacks with several Ragnaroks in your gang. Would be fairly interesting to see how small you can get the signature of a ceptor with max skills, pirate imps, a gangassist bc and (several?) Ragnaroks.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 14:16:00 - [6] Originally by: Quarantine I've always been curious if and how the Titan's gang bonus stacks with several Ragnaroks in your gang. Would be fairly interesting to see how small you can get the signature of a ceptor with max skills, pirate imps, a gangassist bc and (several?) Ragnaroks. Dont bother discussing anything serious here... i expect this thread to get locked soon. :) And i dont blame the mods. Actually they should lock the amarr one too....... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Reatu Krentor Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.30 14:43:00 - [7] - Switch emp and fusion around, make fusion our biggest damage dealer, give it 12 damage like all the rest of the small lowest range highest damage T1 ammo. Minmatar primary damage types are explosive and kinetic yet the highest damage T1 ammo is mostly em and explosive - Give all projectile ammo more explosive damage, p...p... please . Allways bugged me that minmatar doesn't have heavy focus on explosive(our primary damage type). - Change EMP so it only has 2 damage types(3 damage types makes me cry), explosive and em. - Nerf autocannons by changing falloff so it ramps up to highest tier(falloff of 800mm > falloff of dual650 > falloff of dual 425mm) as well as changing grid(particularly for frig ac's) in preparation of a boost to autocannons. I think they need to do this before they can be really compared and subsequently balanced with the other gun types. Before you start flaming, I'm a minnie specialized pilot (minmatar bs 5, T2 projectiles, the works). Ok now you're fully informed, you can flame . - "I wish CONCORD would scream "No-one expects the Spanish Inquisition" when they turn up to blob you. " -_ Twilight Moon
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 14:49:00 - [8] Hail is actually VERY explosive damage oriented. However, the speed nerf makes it unusable in most situations. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Martyr 01 Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.30 15:10:00 - [9] Take the speed penalty off hail. Boost 800mm Auto II DPS so that they do more dmg than a wet sock. Lower the pg fitting reqs of 720mm II's a tiny bit. Basically boost minmatar!
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 15:15:00 - [10] Minmatar whiners >>>>>> Caldari whiners. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Dixon	Posted - 2006.07.30 15:15:00 - [11] make minmatar ships slower and make Projectiles do more DPS and use the same amount of cap as hybrids. Let's just make all races exactly the same... balance at last.
Vathar Elegance	Posted - 2006.07.30 15:17:00 - [12] Remove "rocking effect" on minnie ships and I'll be happy _ Originally by: Stamm Minmatar are kind of like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair firing an uzi
schurem Anarchy Inc. Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2006.07.30 15:24:00 - [13] Originally by: Vathar Remove "rocking effect" on minnie ships and I'll be happy naw man, F' that! minmatar ships rock! <<<< No Boundaries, No Fences, Fly Free Or Die Trying >>>> Typhoon for the win. Nastier than whats faster, faster than whats nastier!
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.30 15:29:00 - [14] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Minmatar whiners >>>>>> Caldari whiners. QTF, we rule. Random things about Minmatar: o Having a fast cap recharge rate doesn't really mean much outside of PVE o Our interceptors are actually quite sluggish compared to some others o Just because we go fast doesn't mean we can actually hit anything at those speeds o If you give us a ROF bonus instead of a damage bonus, don't expect us to be fitting artillery o Amarr have a higher alpha strike with artillery than some minmatar ships in the same class o There are loads of ships that are overpowered with faction gear, so stop *****ing about the Domination/Snake Vagabond o Quite a few of us would actually like some dedicated missile platforms (not split weapon ships), seeing as they are supposed to be our secondary weapon system o If/when NOS and ECM gets nerfed, expect to see gazillions of boost the Tempest threads o Artillery still take up too much powergrid o We wouldn't mind some T2 em/thermal ammo if possible o If Amarr get explosive crystals, we get to bypass shield and armour and damage the hull directly o <3 Rupture o None of us are quite sure where the extra 5m3 drone bay on the Rupture vanished to when CCP made the Muninn. o We're not quite sure why CCP only added the speed penalty to hail instead of all high-damage close-range ammos, but we wouldn't mind it being removed o Tremor is hax, but we love it. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Vathar Elegance	Posted - 2006.07.30 15:33:00 - [15] Sarmaul for president! _ Originally by: Stamm Minmatar are kind of like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair firing an uzi
HappyKitten Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 15:36:00 - [16] Originally by: Vathar Sarmaul for president! nah, Sarmaul for Amarr emperor
Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2006.07.30 15:44:00 - [17] Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 30/07/2006 15:48:07 Boost the Breacher. Fix the Belly by making it a missile ship. Remove speed penalty from hail or at least the stacking of the penalty. Originally by: Sarmaul o If/when NOS and ECM gets nerfed, expect to see gazillions of boost the Tempest threads So true, especially with the tier 3 uber mega... after ecm/nos nerf a mega vs pest would be really one sided nevermind the new ship. ------------------------- Originally by: "Lord Violent" EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 15:54:00 - [18] And oh, let the boring caldari be the midslot specialists if they want. Make us armor tanking hardcore raiders with blazing guns and battle scars in our hulls. Yarr! --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Tachy	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:04:00 - [19] Please get the Minmatar, Thukker and Ammatar storylines, agents, stations, missions and mission rewards sorted. Wanna know why many Minmatar, Thukker and Ammatar (RP) pilots left EVE in disgust? --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:05:00 - [20] Originally by: Tachy Please get the Minmatar, Thukker and Ammatar storylines, agents, stations, missions and mission rewards sorted. Wanna know why many Minmatar, Thukker and Ammatar (RP) pilots left EVE in disgust? Yes. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:10:00 - [21] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Tachy Please get the Minmatar, Thukker and Ammatar storylines, agents, stations, missions and mission rewards sorted. Wanna know why many Minmatar, Thukker and Ammatar (RP) pilots left EVE in disgust? Yes. One of the reasons was that Thukker set the Republic to - standings without even a single news article or storyline event. IIRC, this meant Thukker missions would involve killing Republic ships, something most people didn't want to do as Thukker aren't the Minmatar pirate faction (Angels get that role). TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:13:00 - [22] Originally by: Sarmaul One of the reasons was that Thukker set the Republic to - standings without even a single news article or storyline event. IIRC, this meant Thukker missions would involve killing Republic ships, something most people didn't want to do as Thukker aren't the Minmatar pirate faction (Angels get that role). Ah, so ccp messed it up for the roleplayers then. Didnt know that. Sounds a bit clumsy of them. Maybe thats why they hate minmatar btw... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Reatu Krentor Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:15:00 - [23] Originally by: Jim McGregor Hail is actually VERY explosive damage oriented. However, the speed nerf makes it unusable in most situations. Well yes, hail is indeed much explosive, but it's T2 ammo. I think T1 ammo should have explosive damage more often as well. Remove speed penalty on hail, add falloff penalty? say... -30% falloff? That would match the extra loss of optimal the blaster T2 has 0.5 * 0.7 = 0.35 (or -65%) - "I wish CONCORD would scream "No-one expects the Spanish Inquisition" when they turn up to blob you. " -_ Twilight Moon
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:17:00 - [24] Originally by: Reatu Krentor Originally by: Jim McGregor Hail is actually VERY explosive damage oriented. However, the speed nerf makes it unusable in most situations. Well yes, hail is indeed much explosive, but it's T2 ammo. I think T1 ammo should have explosive damage more often as well. Remove speed penalty on hail, add falloff penalty? say... -30% falloff? That would match the extra loss of optimal the blaster T2 has 0.5 * 0.7 = 0.35 (or -65%) Im basicly saying yes by default to any penalty except speed. Your suggestion sounds like a good one too. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Blind Man Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:20:00 - [25] Edited by: Blind Man on 30/07/2006 16:20:21 the sleipnir is not overpowered. (whine about it and link goes bye bye ) MY CORP USES *** TEXT LIKE THIS UNDER SIGS SO I DO IT TOO.
Foulis Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:20:00 - [26] Reduce the mass on the stiletto and the claw, min deserves the fastest interceptors. ---- Cake > Pie - Imaran Originally by: CCP Hammer Boobies
Reatu Krentor Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:20:00 - [27] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Sarmaul One of the reasons was that Thukker set the Republic to - standings without even a single news article or storyline event. IIRC, this meant Thukker missions would involve killing Republic ships, something most people didn't want to do as Thukker aren't the Minmatar pirate faction (Angels get that role). Ah, so ccp messed it up for the roleplayers then. Didnt know that. Sounds a bit clumsy of them. Maybe thats why they hate minmatar btw... That's not the only thing though, amarr had their championship, caldari their race thing, gallente well their elections (work in progress ). Minmatar nothing that could be compared to these yet. Oh and I almost forget the 2 alliance championships (2)... So even though gallente got the brown end of the stick, we minnies didn't even get a stick we can complain about. - "I wish CONCORD would scream "No-one expects the Spanish Inquisition" when they turn up to blob you. " -_ Twilight Moon
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:23:00 - [28] Originally by: Blind Man Edited by: Blind Man on 30/07/2006 16:20:21 the sleipnir is not overpowered. (whine about it and link goes bye bye ) Pretty nice, but its actually not overpowered compared to the Vulture or Nighthawk. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Blind Man Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:28:00 - [29] im buying more for it today, ill repost the screenshot later (domi gyro was just for cpu problems) MY CORP USES *** TEXT LIKE THIS UNDER SIGS SO I DO IT TOO.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:30:00 - [30] Originally by: Sarmaul The sleipnir actually does damage though. Yeah, caldari ships are mostly tankers. Until the Rohk will show up and pwn us all... stupid game. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:32:00 - [31] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Sarmaul The sleipnir actually does damage though. Yeah, caldari ships are mostly tankers. Until the Rohk will show up and pwn us all... stupid game. Quiet, the Maelstrom will still do the most damage against unresisted armour (i.e. 99% of ships in fleet fights). TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:35:00 - [32] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 30/07/2006 16:35:11 Originally by: Sarmaul Quiet, the Maelstrom will still do the most damage against unresisted armour (i.e. 99% of ships in fleet fights). What setup did you have in mind? The dps with artillery seems very low. Your thinking of the ammo types? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Bazman Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:37:00 - [33] boost minmatar Keep the maelstrom as is, Minmatar need a BS that can stand up to immmense punishment, ignore people moaning for it to be fast and nimble Man i frikken hate stababonds. Jaguars scare me when I'm in a frigate. Omfg at that Alpha strike. I thought about training for Autotempests but I have this thing about my character being uber at something, which is currently Gallente Blasterships. Only ever flew a rifter once, but it got my low grade halo laden character out of a dictor camp, valiantly sacraficing itself so my pod could escape. Yarr 1400 II's frikken hurt. When they hit that is. How cool are autocannons? wow, machine guns. mmmmmm Thats some of my thoughts on Minmatar. More later. ----- Sig removed, maximum allowed image dimensions are 400x120 and maximum allowed size is 24,000 bytes. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your picture!) -wystler Hi TUXFORD! Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks. I am a
Imperial Coercion	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:39:00 - [34] Originally by: Jim McGregor Oh, and boost minmatar. Minmatar is just fine, infatc its over powered. Sorry, just couldnt resist Would the poster above me please stand up?
Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:41:00 - [35] Tier 3 = shield tanker ECM Nerf NOS Nerf Fleet Tempest? Point? ------------------------- Originally by: "Lord Violent" EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:42:00 - [36] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 30/07/2006 16:35:11 Originally by: Sarmaul Quiet, the Maelstrom will still do the most damage against unresisted armour (i.e. 99% of ships in fleet fights). What setup did you have in mind? The dps with artillery seems very low. Your thinking of the ammo types? No, I screwed up NB's spreadsheet. Ignore that remark :) Its fine, i like seeing you be wrong once in a while. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:42:00 - [37] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 30/07/2006 16:35:11 Originally by: Sarmaul Quiet, the Maelstrom will still do the most damage against unresisted armour (i.e. 99% of ships in fleet fights). What setup did you have in mind? The dps with artillery seems very low. Your thinking of the ammo types? No, I screwed up NB's spreadsheet. Ignore that remark :) TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:43:00 - [38] Originally by: Mila Prestoc Tier 3 = shield tanker ECM Nerf NOS Nerf Fleet Tempest? Point? I have been thinking the same lately. But we'll see... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:45:00 - [39] Originally by: Mila Prestoc Tier 3 = shield tanker ECM Nerf NOS Nerf Tempest? Point? Corrected. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Blind Man Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:46:00 - [40] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Mila Prestoc Tier 3 = shield tanker ECM Nerf NOS Nerf Tempest? Point? Corrected. qft MY CORP USES *** TEXT LIKE THIS UNDER SIGS SO I DO IT TOO.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:46:00 - [41] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Mila Prestoc Tier 3 = shield tanker ECM Nerf NOS Nerf Tempest? Point? Corrected. I do have fears that the Hyperion will totally destroy the Tempest every time. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Tachy	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:47:00 - [42] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Sarmaul One of the reasons was that Thukker set the Republic to - standings without even a single news article or storyline event. IIRC, this meant Thukker missions would involve killing Republic ships, something most people didn't want to do as Thukker aren't the Minmatar pirate faction (Angels get that role). Ah, so ccp messed it up for the roleplayers then. Didnt know that. Sounds a bit clumsy of them. Maybe thats why they hate minmatar btw... Not only for the roleplayers. Core Complexion, one of the Minmatar research corps is part of the Thukker Tribe. Loads of Thukker Tribe stations and agents are in Repulic space, another huge chunk is in Ammatar space. Running missions for Thukker Tribe agents makes you lose access to many of their agents. Imagine a little note from your R&D agent telling you he had a breakthrough. Offers for Thukker modified equipment can't be finished because the NPC -and thus their tags- are unavailable for like 1,5 years. --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
Tachy	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:48:00 - [43] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Mila Prestoc Tier 3 = shield tanker ECM Nerf NOS Nerf Tempest? Painter? Corrected. --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:49:00 - [44] Originally by: Tachy Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Mila Prestoc Tier 3 = shield tanker ECM Nerf NOS Nerf Tempest? Painter? Corrected. Don't even think about it. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Tachy	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:50:00 - [45] The Hyperion still isn't a ship for running missions. Fat unsustainable tank ftl ... I don't think it will have a cargohold big enough to allow for sufficient ammo and cap boosters. --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
Blind Man Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:50:00 - [46] painters on a tempest MY CORP USES *** TEXT LIKE THIS UNDER SIGS SO I DO IT TOO.
Dixon	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:50:00 - [47] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 30/07/2006 16:35:11 Originally by: Sarmaul Quiet, the Maelstrom will still do the most damage against unresisted armour (i.e. 99% of ships in fleet fights). What setup did you have in mind? The dps with artillery seems very low. Your thinking of the ammo types? You're really starting to **** me off Jim... I actually remember trying to force the fact that the Maelstrom will do more DPS than the Rokh into your head a few days ago. Why can't you ever listen? WHY?
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:52:00 - [48] Originally by: Dixon You're really starting to **** me off Jim... I actually remember trying to force the fact that the Maelstrom will do more DPS than the Rokh into your head a few days ago. Why can't you ever listen? WHY? Because i love seeing you explode like this. Seriously, I cant really remember that... maybe i had a few beers. Linkie? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:53:00 - [49] Originally by: Tachy The Hyperion still isn't a ship for running missions. Fat unsustainable tank ftl ... I don't think it will have a cargohold big enough to allow for sufficient ammo and cap boosters. Well, i dont even want a mission running ship for the minmatar. There is no need for it, since the Raven will always be a better choice simply because it can spam missiles. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Tachy	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:53:00 - [50] Originally by: Dixon Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 30/07/2006 16:35:11 Originally by: Sarmaul Quiet, the Maelstrom will still do the most damage against unresisted armour (i.e. 99% of ships in fleet fights). What setup did you have in mind? The dps with artillery seems very low. Your thinking of the ammo types? You're really starting to **** me off Jim... I actually remember trying to force the fact that the Maelstrom will do more DPS than the Rokh into your head a few days ago. Why can't you ever listen? WHY? Ah, because of the same number of guns, but each with more dps on the Rokh? --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:56:00 - [51] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Tachy The Hyperion still isn't a ship for running missions. Fat unsustainable tank ftl ... I don't think it will have a cargohold big enough to allow for sufficient ammo and cap boosters. Well, i dont even want a mission running ship for the minmatar. There is no need for it, since the Raven will always be a better choice simply because it can spam missiles. Typhoon TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Dixon	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:57:00 - [52] Edited by: Dixon on 30/07/2006 16:59:52 Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Dixon You're really starting to ** me off Jim... I actually remember trying to force the fact that the Maelstrom will do more DPS than the Rokh into your head a few days ago. Why can't you ever listen? WHY? Because i love seeing you explode like this. Seriously, I cant really remember that... maybe i had a few beers. Linkie? ... Originally by:** Dixon 26/7 This graph shows that I am right and you asshats are wrong... stop telling me I don't know what I'm talking about and try to back your arguments up FFS! THE GRAPH OF TRUTH And don't try telling me omg but I was talking about the Megathron, because if you thought I was comparing Rails vs Projectile raw... then you haven't read my posts. I might add that there is no projectile gunship without this RoF bonus and to compare without it would be moronic at best. Originally by: Dixon -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Rokh will use railguns. Railguns use lots of CAP. The Rokh has no damage bonus. Rails have crappy damage. The Rokh will use a sheild tank. Sheild tanks use lots of CAP. The Maelstrom uses Projectiles. Projectiles use no CAP. Projectiles with RoF bonus do more damage (with more versitile damage types also) than railguns. The Maelstrom will have a huge alpha and 100% cap to it's certain-to-be-great tank. The Maelstrom will be great at artys.. don't know about autocannons. But it will have a strong tank. The Rokh will probably outrange it but it will never outdamage it... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally by: Jim McAsshat -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naah, you started this argument that railguns have crappy damage, so you run some comparisons if you want to convince me -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah, and like always before, you will stay convinced until the next time you feel like whining about things you know nothing about... BTW: THE GRAPH OF TRUTH
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:58:00 - [53] Originally by: Sarmaul Typhoon Yeah, I know it rocks for missions. You should have Torpedoes 5 by now too, right? But either way, using Typhoon or Raven, we dont need another mission runner. We do need something to deal with that Hyperion though... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Tachy	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:58:00 - [54] Even the Tempest looks better than the Raven. And I don't feel like training outerworldly ship skills unless it is for those Jovian beauties. (Or the Bhaalgorn, or the Machariel). I like the look of the coming battlecruiser too. It should fit into my Typhoon's nozzle perfectly for splitting up enemy stations and forrmations. --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
Tachy	Posted - 2006.07.30 16:59:00 - [55] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Tachy The Hyperion still isn't a ship for running missions. Fat unsustainable tank ftl ... I don't think it will have a cargohold big enough to allow for sufficient ammo and cap boosters. Well, i dont even want a mission running ship for the minmatar. There is no need for it, since the Raven will always be a better choice simply because it can spam missiles. Typhoon ... needs a boatload of skills to be used properly for missions. It is definately not a ship for young pilots. --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:02:00 - [56] Originally by: Dixon snip I think what happened was that i stopped reading that thread, just when you posted that graph. Sorry about that, it wasnt really intentional. But yeah, 1400's on that ship looks pretty good.... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:08:00 - [57] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Sarmaul Typhoon Yeah, I know it rocks for missions. You should have Torpedoes 5 by now too, right? But either way, using Typhoon or Raven, we dont need another mission runner. We do need something to deal with that Hyperion though... Finished yesterday. Also, Typhoon for the Hype too. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Dixon	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:08:00 - [58] Originally by: Tachy Originally by: Dixon [...] You know that you might get into trouble without edditing a certain quote? Why imageshack instead of eve-files? ? what quote?
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:08:00 - [59] Originally by: Dixon Thank god... I've managed to reach the thinky-thinky part of you. Now go back and review my raven thread way back where you pulled the same crap. Why? Because I've paid my agent to give up your location and I will be forced to do dreadful things to you unless you start reading what I post from now on! I havent intentionally avoided them. I try to read everything here tbh... cant you tell from all my posts? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:08:00 - [60] Erm ok turns out I didn't screw it up (sorry Jim :P) Fleet BS vs Standard Armour Resists Didn't bother including tracking computers as the optimal-range ratio will still be the same. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:09:00 - [61] Originally by: Sarmaul Erm ok turns out I didn't screw it up (sorry Jim :P) Fleet BS vs Standard Armour Resists Didn't bother including tracking computers as the optimal-range ratio will still be the same. Im sure there must be a error somewhere... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Tachy	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:10:00 - [62] Dixon: What is the length of the simulated fight? Why do you use only one type of ammo instead of the best available for each gun? --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:11:00 - [63] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Sarmaul Erm ok turns out I didn't screw it up (sorry Jim :P) Fleet BS vs Standard Armour Resists Didn't bother including tracking computers as the optimal-range ratio will still be the same. Im sure there must be a error somewhere... Not as far as I know :) There's a very good reason why I've shut up complaining about artillery in fleet fights :P TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:11:00 - [64] Originally by: Sarmaul Erm ok turns out I didn't screw it up (sorry Jim :P) Fleet BS vs Standard Armour Resists Didn't bother including tracking computers as the optimal-range ratio will still be the same. Got one on T1 ammos? Dont like to see T2 ammos. Ta. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Dixon	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:12:00 - [65] Originally by: Tachy Dixon: What is the length of the simulated fight? Why do you use only one type of ammo instead of the best available for each gun? The graph shows DOT, a bit different from DPS. The fight on the graph is endless and thus calculated with reloading times. The Maelstrom would be much better in the short run so the graph actually favors the rokh... but what were you saying about some quote?
Foulis Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:13:00 - [66] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Tachy The Hyperion still isn't a ship for running missions. Fat unsustainable tank ftl ... I don't think it will have a cargohold big enough to allow for sufficient ammo and cap boosters. Well, i dont even want a mission running ship for the minmatar. There is no need for it, since the Raven will always be a better choice simply because it can spam missiles. Typhoon Has cap issues and could really use an additional bonus. Either that or give it 7.5% for each like the Nag. ---- Cake > Pie - Imaran Originally by: CCP Hammer Boobies
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:13:00 - [67] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Sarmaul Erm ok turns out I didn't screw it up (sorry Jim :P) Fleet BS vs Standard Armour Resists Didn't bother including tracking computers as the optimal-range ratio will still be the same. Im sure there must be a error somewhere... Not as far as I know :) There's a very good reason why I've shut up complaining about artillery in fleet fights :P How do you feel about giving the Maelstrom DMG instead of ROF btw? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:16:00 - [68] Originally by: Foulis Has cap issues and could really use an additional bonus. Either that or give it 7.5% for each like the Nag. You do have quite a bit of drone space on that Typhoon though. Should make up for some of the damage, right? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:17:00 - [69] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Sarmaul Erm ok turns out I didn't screw it up (sorry Jim :P) Fleet BS vs Standard Armour Resists Didn't bother including tracking computers as the optimal-range ratio will still be the same. Got one on T1 ammos? Dont like to see T2 ammos. Ta. It's very messy, but Linkage TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:18:00 - [70] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Sarmaul Erm ok turns out I didn't screw it up (sorry Jim :P) Fleet BS vs Standard Armour Resists Didn't bother including tracking computers as the optimal-range ratio will still be the same. Got one on T1 ammos? Dont like to see T2 ammos. Ta. I dont think its wise to show you anything where minnie can somehow be better than Caldari. I know you will whine about it until caldari gets boosted. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
HappyKitten Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:18:00 - [71] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Foulis Has cap issues and could really use an additional bonus. Either that or give it 7.5% for each like the Nag. You do have quite a bit of drone space on that Typhoon though. Should make up for some of the damage, right? Although it's a dumb setup (and almost totally useless), the typhoon does actually have the highest possible DPS of all the battleships IIRC.
Dixon	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:18:00 - [72] Originally by: Foulis Has cap issues and could really use an additional bonus. Either that or give it 7.5% for each like the Nag. How can a ship that doesn't use any cap to fire it's guns have cap issues? And ... Originally by: Naglfar description 7.5% bonus to Capital Projectile rate of fire per level 5% bonus to Citadel Launcher rate of fire per level liar
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:20:00 - [73] Originally by: HappyKitten Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Foulis Has cap issues and could really use an additional bonus. Either that or give it 7.5% for each like the Nag. You do have quite a bit of drone space on that Typhoon though. Should make up for some of the damage, right? Although it's a dumb setup (and almost totally useless), the typhoon does actually have the highest possible DPS of all the battleships IIRC. Ive run some dps graphs and the mega has about 200-300 higher dps actually...typhoon is around 1000, mega around 1200-1300 depending on damage mods and ammo used. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:20:00 - [74] Originally by: Jim McGregor How do you feel about giving the Maelstrom DMG instead of ROF btw? It would give it an absolutely insane (well, more insane than usual) alpha strike and lower it's overall DPS, so no. With Quake and 3 damage mods, it will have an alpha strike of 7000 damage. As much as mere thought of it makes me very happy in the pants, it's a wee bit overpowered. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:21:00 - [75] Originally by: Sarmaul With Quake and 3 damage mods, it will have an alpha strike of 7000 damage. As much as mere thought of it makes me very happy in the pants, it's a wee bit overpowered. I definently agree. Enough said here i think. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:22:00 - [76] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Sarmaul Erm ok turns out I didn't screw it up (sorry Jim :P) Fleet BS vs Standard Armour Resists Didn't bother including tracking computers as the optimal-range ratio will still be the same. Got one on T1 ammos? Dont like to see T2 ammos. Ta. I dont think its wise to show you anything where minnie can somehow be better than Caldari. I know you will whine about it until caldari gets boosted. I am not a whiner unlike an overzealous Minmatarist. At least, I dont start so many Minmatar threads. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:22:00 - [77] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Sarmaul Erm ok turns out I didn't screw it up (sorry Jim :P) Fleet BS vs Standard Armour Resists Didn't bother including tracking computers as the optimal-range ratio will still be the same. Got one on T1 ammos? Dont like to see T2 ammos. Ta. It's very messy, but Linkage Looks beautiful with T1 ammos. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
xeom Obsidian Sins	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:22:00 - [78] Even if the NH was able to do 400 DPS like the sliepnir it would still own it. 25% restists < 37% boost Can't wait for october to roll around CCP where are our t2 shield power relays? \| Join[..SIN]
HappyKitten Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:23:00 - [79] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: HappyKitten Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Foulis Has cap issues and could really use an additional bonus. Either that or give it 7.5% for each like the Nag. You do have quite a bit of drone space on that Typhoon though. Should make up for some of the damage, right? Although it's a dumb setup (and almost totally useless), the typhoon does actually have the highest possible DPS of all the battleships IIRC. Ive run some dps graphs and the mega has about 200-300 higher dps actually...typhoon is around 1000, mega around 1200-1300 depending on damage mods and ammo used. Might have been wrong, but I'm pretty sure I got way over 1000. It was a totally ridiculous setup (4 800s, 4 siege, 4 painters, 4 BCUs, 3 Gyros, 5 Ogre IIs, maxed skills), but it had a huge DPS. Might have had a fitting mod and only 3 BCUs, can't quite remember.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:24:00 - [80] Originally by: HappyKitten Might have been wrong, but I'm pretty sure I got way over 1000. It was a totally ridiculous setup (4 800s, 4 siege, 4 painters, 4 BCUs, 3 Gyros, 5 Ogre IIs, maxed skills), but it had a huge DPS. Might have had a fitting mod and only 3 BCUs, can't quite remember. I didnt used painters. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:24:00 - [81] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I am not a whiner unlike an overzealous Minmatarist. At least, I dont start so many Minmatar threads. You might not start them, but ive never seen anyone being so extreamly worried about having less medium slots than minmatards... Oh well, the Rohk looks to get 7 mediums so im sure you are happy. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
HappyKitten Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:25:00 - [82] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: HappyKitten Might have been wrong, but I'm pretty sure I got way over 1000. It was a totally ridiculous setup (4 800s, 4 siege, 4 painters, 4 BCUs, 3 Gyros, 5 Ogre IIs, maxed skills), but it had a huge DPS. Might have had a fitting mod and only 3 BCUs, can't quite remember. I didnt used painters. Rage 4tw
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:30:00 - [83] Originally by: HappyKitten Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Sarmaul Who needs painters when the Hyp will have a sig of about 2500 when it mwds towards you? Uno volley. Were you ever on SiSi in the the CWE testing? I once one volleyed a mega with my raven Non. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:30:00 - [84] Originally by: HappyKitten Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Sarmaul Who needs painters when the Hyp will have a sig of about 2500 when it mwds towards you? Uno volley. Were you ever on SiSi in the the CWE testing? I once one volleyed a mega with my raven Yeah. Missiles are not overpowered at all. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
HappyKitten Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:32:00 - [85] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: HappyKitten Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Sarmaul Who needs painters when the Hyp will have a sig of about 2500 when it mwds towards you? Uno volley. Were you ever on SiSi in the the CWE testing? I once one volleyed a mega with my raven Yeah. Missiles are not overpowered at all. This was during the testing for introducing sig factored damage. They had just introduced it, and at the time, missiles did MORE damage if the sig was bigger. A volley of torps hit the mega, just as it put it's MWD on and demonstrated that that system of missile damage was totally broken Changed the next day
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:32:00 - [86] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: HappyKitten Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Sarmaul Who needs painters when the Hyp will have a sig of about 2500 when it mwds towards you? Uno volley. Were you ever on SiSi in the the CWE testing? I once one volleyed a mega with my raven Yeah. Missiles are not overpowered at all. It is a torpedo. There is nothing wrong with a torpedo and something the size of a structure. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:33:00 - [87] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire It is a torpedo. There is nothing wrong with a torpedo and something the size of a structure. Thats why minnie ships need target painting bonuses. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:34:00 - [88] Also, the Mael will do just over 6600 alpha with Quake, against a BS sized target and with no time to hit. If by some form of magical miricle all 6 wrecked (practically infinatly small chance btw), you're looking at 19800 alpha :P TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Pattern Clarc Dark Destiny Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:34:00 - [89] 5% speed bonuses per lvl to all ships please!!! :O Roden Shipyards? MWD cap penalty?
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:36:00 - [90] Originally by: Sarmaul Also, the Mael will do just over 6600 alpha with Quake, against a BS sized target and with no time to hit. If by some form of magical miricle all 6 wrecked (practically infinatly small chance btw), you're looking at 19800 alpha :P Cool. How will it be with autocannons you think? Will it replace the Tempest? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:38:00 - [91] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Sarmaul Also, the Mael will do just over 6600 alpha with Quake, against a BS sized target and with no time to hit. If by some form of magical miricle all 6 wrecked (practically infinatly small chance btw), you're looking at 19800 alpha :P Cool. How will it be with autocannons you think? Will it replace the Tempest? If it gets f/a speed/high mass or an 8/6/5 slot layout, no. The issue is that with an ECM and NOS nerf, the AC pest will be practically redundant compared to the Phoon for close-range work and the Maelstrom for fleet ops. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:40:00 - [92] Originally by: Sarmaul If it gets f/a speed/high mass or an 8/6/5 slot layout, no. The issue is that with an ECM and NOS nerf, the AC pest will be practically redundant compared to the Phoon for close-range work and the Maelstrom for fleet ops. Currently have a 8/6/6 layout on test server... with 115 speed. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
HappyKitten Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:41:00 - [93] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Sarmaul If it gets f/a speed/high mass or an 8/6/5 slot layout, no. The issue is that with an ECM and NOS nerf, the AC pest will be practically redundant compared to the Phoon for close-range work and the Maelstrom for fleet ops. Currently have a 8/6/6 layout on test server... with raven speed, but buttloads more mass clarified
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:42:00 - [94] I'd feel wrong if I wasn't in this thread, so here I am! Quote: Ok, im going to start off by saying that the new minnie bc looks like its going to rock. Armor tanking ftw! Link? Originally by: Lord Violent EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid being catered to by devs, as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:42:00 - [95] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Sarmaul If it gets f/a speed/high mass or an 8/6/5 slot layout, no. The issue is that with an ECM and NOS nerf, the AC pest will be practically redundant compared to the Phoon for close-range work and the Maelstrom for fleet ops. Currently have a 8/6/6 layout on test server... with 115 speed. Not sure then - depends on how ECM/NOS and up and how agile the Maelstrom is. Anyway, I would love to forum ***** but WOW just finished updating (don't shoot me - PC World had it priced up wrong at only ú5 and I'm a sucker for a bargin). TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:43:00 - [96] Originally by: HappyKitten Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Sarmaul If it gets f/a speed/high mass or an 8/6/5 slot layout, no. The issue is that with an ECM and NOS nerf, the AC pest will be practically redundant compared to the Phoon for close-range work and the Maelstrom for fleet ops. Currently have a 8/6/6 layout on test server... with raven speed, but buttloads more mass clarified At least its prettier. I saw a picture in EON and it looks stunning. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
HappyKitten Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:43:00 - [97] Promise you'll grief WoW players for me Sarmaul. Like... kill them in friendly duels and stuff
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:44:00 - [98] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 30/07/2006 17:44:13 Originally by: Testy Mctest I'd feel wrong if I wasn't in this thread, so here I am! Quote: Ok, im going to start off by saying that the new minnie bc looks like its going to rock. Armor tanking ftw! Link? Welcome. This thread is for us minmatards to do geeky stuff like compare stats. Linkage --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:46:00 - [99] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Sarmaul If it gets f/a speed/high mass or an 8/6/5 slot layout, no. The issue is that with an ECM and NOS nerf, the AC pest will be practically redundant compared to the Phoon for close-range work and the Maelstrom for fleet ops. Currently have a 8/6/6 layout on test server... with 115 speed. Not sure then - depends on how ECM/NOS and up and how agile the Maelstrom is. Anyway, I would love to forum ***** but WOW just finished updating (don't shoot me - PC World had it priced up wrong at only ú5 and I'm a sucker for a bargin). Another one bites the dust.... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:49:00 - [100] Originally by: Jim McGregor Welcome. This thread is for us minmatards to do geeky stuff like compare stabs. Corrected that for you. Originally by: Lord Violent EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid being catered to by devs, as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
Dixon	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:49:00 - [101] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Sarmaul If it gets f/a speed/high mass or an 8/6/5 slot layout, no. The issue is that with an ECM and NOS nerf, the AC pest will be practically redundant compared to the Phoon for close-range work and the Maelstrom for fleet ops. Currently have a 8/6/6 layout on test server... with 115 speed. Not sure then - depends on how ECM/NOS and up and how agile the Maelstrom is. Anyway, I would love to forum ***** but WOW just finished updating (don't shoot me - PC World had it priced up wrong at only ú5 and I'm a sucker for a bargin). It's still a rip-off...
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:51:00 - [102] Originally by: Testy Mctest Originally by: Jim McGregor Welcome. This thread is for us minmatards to do geeky stuff like compare stabs. Corrected that for you. Only in the Vaga. Which I might not train for tbh. Seems very much like fun, but given the cost of losing it, I might not bother with it and go straight for 1337 typhoon skillz instead. With time, the hacs will drop in price, and then we can all enjoy them. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Nervar Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.30 17:57:00 - [103] Edited by: Nervar on 30/07/2006 17:59:48 Rethink the whole concept jack of all trades crap at everything philosopy. It has never worked inn an online game and never will. With time, the hacs will drop in price, and then we can all enjoy them. More likely to increase inn prize, more than doubled inn prize inn the last 7 months -------------------------------------------------> What I look forward to is continued immaturity followed by death.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 18:02:00 - [104] CCP have already said that its time that t2 becomes a baseline. It will happen sooner or later im sure. Of course then there will probably be even better ships on the market. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.30 18:10:00 - [105] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Sarmaul If it gets f/a speed/high mass or an 8/6/5 slot layout, no. The issue is that with an ECM and NOS nerf, the AC pest will be practically redundant compared to the Phoon for close-range work and the Maelstrom for fleet ops. Currently have a 8/6/6 layout on test server... with 115 speed. Not sure then - depends on how ECM/NOS and up and how agile the Maelstrom is. Anyway, I would love to forum ***** but WOW just finished updating (don't shoot me - PC World had it priced up wrong at only ú5 and I'm a sucker for a bargin). Another one bites the dust.... Don't panic - I just wanted something "light" to play when I don't fancy playing EVE. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 18:11:00 - [106] Originally by: Sarmaul Don't panic - I just wanted something "light" to play when I don't fancy playing EVE. Yeah. Ive been thinking of joining up again too, but i have this feeling that all the lvl 60 kiddies with their epic gear and uber smacktalk will make things pretty boring. Are you reactivating an account or starting fresh? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Tachy	Posted - 2006.07.30 19:16:00 - [107] Originally by: HappyKitten Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Sarmaul If it gets f/a speed/high mass or an 8/6/5 slot layout, no. The issue is that with an ECM and NOS nerf, the AC pest will be practically redundant compared to the Phoon for close-range work and the Maelstrom for fleet ops. Currently have a 8/6/6 layout on test server... with raven speed, but buttloads more mass clarified You just made me cry. That's a crappy battlestation you just painted in my mind. @Dixon: thanks for the clarifications! --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
Eximius Josari Shadow Reavers	Posted - 2006.07.30 19:22:00 - [108] I think it sucks that we 'can't' shield tank because EW is overpowered, not to mention some Caldari are under the mistaken impression that they should always have the most midslots. Shield > Armor Victory is the weakness of the enemy.
Sister 9	Posted - 2006.07.30 19:35:00 - [109] Originally by: Eximius Josari I think it sucks that we 'can't' shield tank because EW is overpowered, not to mention some Caldari are under the mistaken impression that they should always have the most midslots. Shield > Armor yep and same with having the most missile slots.
HappyKitten Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 19:38:00 - [110] Nervar's sig wins Not only is it floppyknickers' style (which has stopped being so fashionable, and is thus cool again), but it is piratey and has a tempest
Tachy	Posted - 2006.07.30 19:40:00 - [111] Originally by: Jim McGregor CCP have already said that its time that t2 becomes a baseline. It will happen sooner or later im sure. Of course then there will probably be even better ships on the market. Not all you read from a Dev should be taken for truth. pokes Oveur's planetary interaction in RTS form announcement --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.30 19:50:00 - [112] Originally by: Katsumoto And the vaga 5!! I'll agree with you on that - 6/5/4 4tw TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Tachy	Posted - 2006.07.30 19:52:00 - [113] You're going to pay 500mil+ for a Vaga? --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.07.30 20:17:00 - [114] Edited by: Hllaxiu on 30/07/2006 20:17:29 Originally by: Katsumoto Give the sleipnir 6 med slots!!! And the vaga 5!! ...do you own a vaga bpo? And didn't Sarmaul create his own forum for this? (One that is far more useful for finding ship setups on than this board, I might add) --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2006.07.30 20:24:00 - [115] Originally by: Hllaxiu And didn't Sarmaul create his own forum for this? (One that is far more useful for finding ship setups on than this board, I might add) Sarmual didn't, it was Testy/Calmdown although Sarm is a mod on the forum. ------------------------- Originally by: "Lord Violent" EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 20:27:00 - [116] Look at that. 5 pages in one day and no reply from Tuxford. Strange. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.07.30 20:31:00 - [117] Originally by: Jim McGregor Look at that. 5 pages in one day and no reply from Tuxford. Strange. Did you perform the "dev post here" ritual? --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 20:34:00 - [118] Originally by: Hllaxiu Did you perform the "dev post here" ritual? Im not familiar with that one. Maybe add "PLZ PLZ TuXFoRD ReSPonD!!" to the thread title? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
HappyKitten Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 20:54:00 - [119] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Hllaxiu Did you perform the "dev post here" ritual? Im not familiar with that one. Maybe add "PLZ PLZ TuXFoRD ReSPonD!!" to the thread title? Bah, tux is an enigma. It's so damn easy to summon hammer
Foulis Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.30 22:40:00 - [120] Originally by: HappyKitten Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Hllaxiu Did you perform the "dev post here" ritual? Im not familiar with that one. Maybe add "PLZ PLZ TuXFoRD ReSPonD!!" to the thread title? Bah, tux is an enigma. It's so damn easy to summon hammer boobies! ---- Cake > Pie - Imaran Originally by: CCP Hammer Boobies
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.07.30 22:51:00 - [121] Edited by: Plutoinum on 30/07/2006 22:52:28 Originally by: Severa Crest When the stats for the Maelstrom were announced, I thought "OMG what a pile of crap". After some thought I've realised that Minmatar is indeed hard mode - a fact that Hammer admitted himself. So if you pick hard mode, expect it to be erm.... hard. Matari 4TW. Just to be clear: I picked Minmatar, not hard mode. I like the race / their style etc. If I just wanted it hard, I'd fly another race and keep one med and low slot empty or so. So please don't tell the devs that I expect crappy stats, because Minmatars want it this way.
Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.07.30 22:53:00 - [122] Originally by: Jim McGregor Look at that. 5 pages in one day and no reply from Tuxford. Strange. lol poor devs let them have a social life at least during the week end
Elrich Zann Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.30 22:57:00 - [123] /signed with supporters like: Testy Sarmaul Wizie Kaylana Weirda Elaine Blind Jim and others The game's more fun in "Hard Mode" Just like our ships - Min's rock!
Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.07.30 23:07:00 - [124] Edited by: Ath Amon on 30/07/2006 23:13:15 Originally by: Sarmaul Erm ok turns out I didn't screw it up (sorry Jim :P) Fleet BS vs Standard Armour Resists Didn't bother including tracking computers as the optimal-range ratio will still be the same. are you sure is right? i got veeeeeery different results from my "test" most ships are between 200 and 250 dps and abaddon is over 350 dps (no damage mods) ahhhh wait i think i got it, you are modifing dmg with res... but can we really do that? it really depends what you are facing and also all the dmg here is done vs armor while for example rokh will be a (popular) shield tank
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.30 23:07:00 - [125] Originally by: Ath Amon Originally by: Jim McGregor Look at that. 5 pages in one day and no reply from Tuxford. Strange. lol poor devs let them have a social life at least during the week end I was just kidding. This thread doesnt even have a question for Tux. Im just making fun of the Amarr thread... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Weirda Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.31 05:06:00 - [126] Originally by: Jim McGregor Look at that. 5 pages in one day and no reply from Tuxford. Strange. DOWN WITH THE SLAVERS! (CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL!) __ Weirda Join QOTSA Now
Hakuin The Blackwater Brigade HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2006.07.31 08:13:00 - [127] Fix my hail s please ________ In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, in the expert's mind there are few. - In Rust We Trust -
Serj Darek Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.31 10:27:00 - [128] Edited by: Serj Darek on 31/07/2006 10:27:25 I came up with "In Rust We Trust" And OMFG @ Blind Man's Sleipnir Originally by: Tuxford I love how you guys can take stats from a test server that is few months out of date and then panic over them.
Crange Elite United Corp Antigo Dominion	Posted - 2006.07.31 11:26:00 - [129] It's nice not being primary.
Fredbob Draconis Navitas Aeterna Pure.	Posted - 2006.07.31 11:30:00 - [130] I picked minmatar because I liked the font on the race select screen lol (the old one, not the 4 column thing used now). Little did I know a few years later I'd be flying all their tech 2 ships and equipment, but for all our drawbacks t'is fun ^^ I have an amarr alt but apart from curse/pilgrim I'll always take the minnie ship out instead , duct tape til I die! ___________ ~Fredbob~
Hakera Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.31 12:00:00 - [131] minmatar ceptors always confused me, nerfed from beginning to make all the other ceptors equal with their high mass. the extra speed we get for less hp's & less capacitor, not overely useful in most scenarios (bar the obvious ones) the extra speed countered by poor tracking howitzers the muninn so poor in comparison to the vaga which works perfectly in its intended role (and still will be fine after wcs nerf). single projectile bonus ships.
Kaylana Syi Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.31 12:06:00 - [132] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Minmatar whiners >>>>>> Caldari whiners. QTF, we rule. Random things about Minmatar: o Having a fast cap recharge rate doesn't really mean much outside of PVE o Our interceptors are actually quite sluggish compared to some others o Just because we go fast doesn't mean we can actually hit anything at those speeds o If you give us a ROF bonus instead of a damage bonus, don't expect us to be fitting artillery o Amarr have a higher alpha strike with artillery than some minmatar ships in the same class o There are loads of ships that are overpowered with faction gear, so stop *****ing about the Domination/Snake Vagabond o Quite a few of us would actually like some dedicated missile platforms (not split weapon ships), seeing as they are supposed to be our secondary weapon system o If/when NOS and ECM gets nerfed, expect to see gazillions of boost the Tempest threads o Artillery still take up too much powergrid o We wouldn't mind some T2 em/thermal ammo if possible o If Amarr get explosive crystals, we get to bypass shield and armour and damage the hull directly o <3 Rupture o None of us are quite sure where the extra 5m3 drone bay on the Rupture vanished to when CCP made the Muninn. o We're not quite sure why CCP only added the speed penalty to hail instead of all high-damage close-range ammos, but we wouldn't mind it being removed o Tremor is hax, but we love it. <3 Sarmaul Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.31 18:27:00 - [133] Originally by: Ath Amon Edited by: Ath Amon on 30/07/2006 23:13:15 Originally by: Sarmaul Erm ok turns out I didn't screw it up (sorry Jim :P) Fleet BS vs Standard Armour Resists Didn't bother including tracking computers as the optimal-range ratio will still be the same. are you sure is right? i got veeeeeery different results from my "test" most ships are between 200 and 250 dps and abaddon is over 350 dps (no damage mods) ahhhh wait i think i got it, you are modifing dmg with res... but can we really do that? it really depends what you are facing and also all the dmg here is done vs armor while for example rokh will be a (popular) shield tank Put it this way - in a fleet fight the vast majority of ships being used will be armour tanking besides the new Maelstrom and Rokh (Ravens and Scorps had better be running ECM in those mids) Although artillery do poor DPS vs a hardened target, in fleets plates rule as they can double your survivability meaning weapons that do bucket loads of explosive can really shine. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.07.31 19:03:00 - [134] Originally by: Sarmaul Put it this way - in a fleet fight the vast majority of ships being used will be armour tanking besides the new Maelstrom and Rokh (Ravens and Scorps had better be running ECM in those mids) Although artillery do poor DPS vs a hardened target, in fleets plates rule as they can double your survivability meaning weapons that do bucket loads of explosive can really shine. yup i see your point but this is the situation atm where the majority of flees seem composed by tempests (armor tank) and mega (another armor tank) then we have some amarr ships (again armor) and ecm ships (who armor tank due to ecm role) but i think the situation will change when these ships will be introduced. i think the Rokh will replace the mega on the battlefield, is a very good fleet ship for all caldari and raven pilots (99.99999% of eve population) and i think that even dedicated mega pilots with many SP in hybrid weapons will train caldari BS at least to 4 to use it. then we have the mael who is supposed to be a shield tank, i don't think there will be active tanks in a battlefield but probably in the end it will still be more profitable to passive shield tank it instead of put plates on it. i don't think it will totally replace the tempest but probably there will be a decent amount of both. then we have the abaddon, i think it will become a good fleet ship, expecially as there will be more shield tanked ships in battle, also with its 8 lows and inbuilt res it will be quite probable that it will fit an explo hardener in the low. then we have even an incoming ecm nerf and we don't know how it will affect ecm ships in fleet battle as said just my speculation but i suspect that the new fleets will be something like laaaaarge amount of rokhs (vary sturdy shield tank), ok amount of maels (probably shield tank), ok amount of tempests (armor tank), ok (or maybe even more) amount of abaddons (sturdy armor tank with probable explo hardener) a few ecm ships (armor tank) in this scenario shield tanked ships will probably be at least equal if not more than armor tanked ships, if for this reason that i will be cautious to compare damage alredy modified by res.
Locke Ateid Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.31 20:28:00 - [135] /Signed Stop trying to switch our speed/versility advantages in favor poor shield tank.
Blind Man Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.31 20:32:00 - [136] Originally by: Katsumoto Give the sleipnir 6 med slots!!! And the vaga 5!! YEAH! KILLROCK'S FORUM ASSISTANT
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.31 20:33:00 - [137] Maelstrom with autocannons --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Blind Man Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.31 20:58:00 - [138] thats with hail tho, and since its already slow, 8 guns with hail, you probably moving backwards KILLROCK'S FORUM ASSISTANT
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.31 21:00:00 - [139] Originally by: Blind Man thats with hail tho, and since its already slow, 8 guns with hail, you probably moving backwards Yeah, but pretty cool still... :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Blind Man Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.31 21:02:00 - [140] can you try it with barrage and 3 dm? KILLROCK'S FORUM ASSISTANT
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.31 21:08:00 - [141] Originally by: Blind Man oh btw sarm, happy now? Not bad for an NPC setup :P TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust -
Blind Man Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.31 21:47:00 - [142] ive never npc'd with it ;p its a bait/sentry tanking/ send in first to tank everything ship KILLROCK'S FORUM ASSISTANT

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