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LUMINOUS SPIRIT The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 509	Posted - 2014.09.07 18:31:00 - [1] - Quote Someone in my corp mentioned in passing that there was this graph of pre- and post-hyperion wormhole activity floating somewhere... Does anyone have a link?
corbexx eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred 680	Posted - 2014.09.07 18:58:00 - [2] - Quote Rhavas posted a couple on twitter. (hope these links work) https://twitter.com/EVE_Rhavas/status/507778949745623040/photo/1 https://twitter.com/EVE_Rhavas/status/507778625974710272/photo/1 these are cap kills though Corbexx for CSM 9 - Wormholes deserve better
Nutmegpainter Whale Girth Grand Sky Wizards 69	Posted - 2014.09.07 19:39:00 - [3] - Quote corbexx wrote: Rhavas posted a couple on twitter. (hope these links work) https://twitter.com/EVE_Rhavas/status/507778949745623040/photo/1 https://twitter.com/EVE_Rhavas/status/507778625974710272/photo/1 these are cap kills though This should be spammed, retweeted, and rammed down cccp's (hehe) throat I've heard about countless engagements that just didn't happen because of patch #dontCensorMe #becauseOfpatch
LUMINOUS SPIRIT The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 510	Posted - 2014.09.07 20:51:00 - [4] - Quote corbexx wrote: Rhavas posted a couple on twitter. (hope these links work) https://twitter.com/EVE_Rhavas/status/507778949745623040/photo/1 https://twitter.com/EVE_Rhavas/status/507778625974710272/photo/1 these are cap kills though thank you corbexx. yeah looks like activity went down. im in favor of the changes that hyperion brought, but this trend says activity is going down - not good. i guess they should reverse the mass-based jump change, or at least nerf its severity... damn, and i was liking the fact that my cloaky proteus never spawns at zero on the hole now... i lost so many scanners because i could not cloak up in time..
Winthorp 2693	Posted - 2014.09.07 21:05:00 - [5] - Quote Before you all grab your already overused pitchforks can we not use this lopsided small batched graph to ask CCP for more data to be released? CCP Fozzie could do an amazing blog with all the WH data they have i am sure, but why would he want to with the level of hate that has been on these forums lately.
Skywalker WILDSINT S.C.A 71	Posted - 2014.09.07 21:19:00 - [6] - Quote If players in WH decline, prices on sleeper loot might go up eventually, with less players doing those sites/higher risks with more incoming holes.
CivilWars Rolled Out Triumvirate. 147	Posted - 2014.09.07 21:43:00 - [7] - Quote Clearly this graph with 2 months of data is the definitive answer we have all been searching for. I am sure the fact that there are only 2-3 weeks of high numbers compared to the last 2 weeks means nothing at all. I am also sure the 3 week decline preceding Hyperion are related to Hyperion as well. We Re-Rolled. Stop by public channel Rolled Out to join the fun.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 510	Posted - 2014.09.07 22:12:00 - [8] - Quote CivilWars wrote: Clearly this graph with 2 months of data is the definitive answer we have all been searching for. I am sure the fact that there are only 2-3 weeks of high numbers compared to the last 2 weeks means nothing at all. I am also sure the 3 week decline preceding Hyperion are related to Hyperion as well. Dont get me wrong, Im one of the people who LIKE the hyperion changes. I thought it would improve WH experience and generate interesting fights. I still do think so. Capital ship jumping back and forth with zero risk to close an unwanted hole? Come on, thats just ********. But, I cannot argue with the facts - lately i go scanning down the chain and I find less activity then usual. Could it be related to Hyperion? A lot of folks say it is. Personally I think that its all about mentality - people just not embracing the new mechanic and clinging to old ways. But, it is what it is. Maybe majority of people just werent ready for a shake-up.
CivilWars Rolled Out Triumvirate. 147	Posted - 2014.09.07 22:23:00 - [9] - Quote I recall before we even left w-space, which was before Hyperion was even announced, that we would rage roll for HOURS finding nothing, or have chains that had 20+ systems in them with nothing. Some people act like every w-space system was occupied pre-Hyperion, which isn't true. Yes, Hyperion has likely made it worse, but much of that is just because of people who refuse to even give the changes a chance, and decided before anything bad even happened that they were done. We Re-Rolled. Stop by public channel Rolled Out to join the fun.
corbexx eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred 682	Posted - 2014.09.07 22:41:00 - [10] - Quote Winthorp wrote: Before you all grab your already overused pitchforks can we not use this lopsided small batched graph to ask CCP for more data to be released? CCP Fozzie could do an amazing blog with all the WH data they have i am sure, but why would he want to with the level of hate that has been on these forums lately. CCP Fozzie has some numbers. but thats obviously NDA, there some graphs Rhavas sorted, which obviously aren't NDA. The sample size could really do with being bigger. But beggars can't be choosers. The other issue is even once we have more data, its figuring out what is or isnt causing stuff. With so many changes happening at once we ideally need to figure out exactly what is affecting what. Distance/mass, frig wh, sigs spawning when jumping in all could well be affecting various elements. If say npc kills are down (which i'm not saying they are, I'm using this as a example) is it due to the fact its harder to close your wormholes, or the fact there is loads of frig wh's everywhere and this is putting people off running them, or a combination of them. If say kills are up in wh's (again not saying they are or not but using this as a example) is it due to people being caught rolling a wormhole or is it frig wormholes. Are more people getting caught in sites due to the fact they have less warning when people connect to you? Hoping to get more info soon, I've asked for a tonne of extra info, which will hopefully help us sort out exactly what is or isnt happening and if its good or bad. The other issue is some stuff may take a while for us to attually see. so we may have to monitor stuff for a little while. I was on Down The Pipe this weekend along with a whole load of other people and was some interesting stuff brought up, ideas on what would be useful to know. and I'm hoping i can grab CCP Fozzie (maybe the rest of the team as well) for 10 or 15 mins for a chat about various stuff that was brought up. but even then thats only 2 weeks of data which probably isnt enough. I'll be over in Iceland for the summit in a week so That may be a good chance to get alot of data and I'll be able to talk to them then and there about it. As much as i dont like various changes there won't be any knee jerk reaction till we have solid information to attually act on Corbexx for CSM 9 - Wormholes deserve better

Mister Tuggles Faceless Men 95	Posted - 2014.09.07 22:45:00 - [11] - Quote I think there has been a resounding sigh of annoyance, again, with CCP. Hyperion had no purpose, but to try and force PvP. This was not needed at all. While they have went ahead and severely increased the danger of living in WH's, and completely destroyed the way of living for people in c4's (the ones that got high class statics). The thing they didn't do was increase the reward for living in such space with the higher risk. -In HS you have incursions with pretty much 0 risk, and the ability to pull in 100m an hour or more. -LS you have FW farming. I can't speak of the isk made in LS, but from the amount of farmers I assume it is quite high. -Null is just ******* ridiculous. There is a reason bots are so rampant here. Little/No risk, high reward. -Now with WH's you have immense amounts of risk, with the reward being on par with the risk free incursions. That is unless you are a c5/6 corp doing full cap escalations. C1-4 are in great need of their site values getting an overhaul. All in all this is another horrible flop for CCP brought about by their inability to actually test things, and get player input. Instead they come up with these horrible ideas, implement them on SiSi to make sure they aren't terribly bugged, and then jam them down our throats without even listening to a single snippet of feedback from the people who will be hit by the changes.
Jack Miton Isogen 5 3789	Posted - 2014.09.07 22:46:00 - [12] - Quote CivilWars wrote: Clearly this graph with 2 months of data is the definitive answer we have all been searching for. I am sure the fact that there are only 2-3 weeks of high numbers compared to the last 2 weeks means nothing at all. I am also sure the 3 week decline preceding Hyperion are related to Hyperion as well. yeah, im sure the trend is completely unrelated. in fact, it's probably due to ROLO moving to nullsec.... give us a break mate Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/
CivilWars Rolled Out Triumvirate. 147	Posted - 2014.09.07 22:49:00 - [13] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: CivilWars wrote: Clearly this graph with 2 months of data is the definitive answer we have all been searching for. I am sure the fact that there are only 2-3 weeks of high numbers compared to the last 2 weeks means nothing at all. I am also sure the 3 week decline preceding Hyperion are related to Hyperion as well. yeah, im sure the trend is completely unrelated. in fact, it's probably due to ROLO moving to nullsec.... give us a break mate Sure, let's just write off the 2+ weeks in July, and blame that on Hyperion too, right? I am not saying Hyperion hasn't had an affect, just saying 2 months of data is not conclusive on how much of an impact. We Re-Rolled. Stop by public channel Rolled Out to join the fun.
CivilWars Rolled Out Triumvirate. 147	Posted - 2014.09.07 22:51:00 - [14] - Quote I mean surely all of the high school and college kids returning to school, so they can't play all day had no impact because none of them live in WHs, right? No need to compare the numbers from last year to this one. Nah, that couldn't be it at all. It is 100% Hyperion. We Re-Rolled. Stop by public channel Rolled Out to join the fun.
Winthorp 2693	Posted - 2014.09.07 22:56:00 - [15] - Quote corbexx wrote: CCP Fozzie has some numbers. but thats obviously NDA It is only NDA at their whim.
Mister Tuggles Faceless Men 96	Posted - 2014.09.07 23:05:00 - [16] - Quote Winthorp wrote: corbexx wrote: CCP Fozzie has some numbers. but thats obviously NDA It is only NDA at their whim. It is NDA because they know Hyperion was a failure of a release, and they don't like admitting they are wrong.
Winthorp 2693	Posted - 2014.09.07 23:08:00 - [17] - Quote Mister Tuggles wrote: Winthorp wrote: corbexx wrote: CCP Fozzie has some numbers. but thats obviously NDA It is only NDA at their whim. It is NDA because they know Hyperion was a failure of a release, and they don't like admitting they are wrong. Keep grasping at your pitchfork man, it's comments like this that are the reason they would have no incentive to release them. The majority of you would spin any data to your already pre conceived conclusion about Hyperion.
Rroff Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 805	Posted - 2014.09.07 23:10:00 - [18] - Quote I don't think numbers really show the true impact, there are none the less also going to be some players who use the new mechanics to their advantages which may offset some, even all of the trend - doesn't mean its a good thing.
corbexx eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred 682	Posted - 2014.09.07 23:13:00 - [19] - Quote Winthorp wrote: corbexx wrote: CCP Fozzie has some numbers. but thats obviously NDA It is only NDA at their whim. Its NDA cos its on the csm forum area. If it wasnt for the fact CCP Fozzie said he had got some data already I wouldn't even be able to say that much. Which really sucks. Hopefully I'll be able to say more soon, as I really dont like hiding stuff behind NDA. Corbexx for CSM 9 - Wormholes deserve better
Winthorp 2693	Posted - 2014.09.07 23:18:00 - [20] - Quote corbexx wrote: Winthorp wrote: corbexx wrote: CCP Fozzie has some numbers. but thats obviously NDA It is only NDA at their whim. Its NDA cos its on the csm forum area. If it wasnt for the fact CCP Fozzie said he had got some data already I wouldn't even be able to say that much. Which really sucks. Hopefully I'll be able to say more soon, as I really dont like hiding stuff behind NDA. Yeah that's my point though, nobody expects a CSM to be able to release it without approval. Am only asking CCP Fozzie to do the blog he said he might be able to come up with when he spoke at townhall.

CivilWars Rolled Out Triumvirate. 147	Posted - 2014.09.07 23:19:00 - [21] - Quote Rroff wrote: I don't think numbers really show the true impact, there are none the less also going to be some players who use the new mechanics to their advantages which may offset some, even all of the trend - doesn't mean its a good thing. So if the data shows what you want then it is good data, but if it doesn't prove your claim the data must be flawed because data be damned this is a bad thing. And like Win says you guys wonder why CCP doesn't tell you anything. We Re-Rolled. Stop by public channel Rolled Out to join the fun.
Mister Tuggles Faceless Men 96	Posted - 2014.09.07 23:19:00 - [22] - Quote Winthorp wrote: Mister Tuggles wrote: Winthorp wrote: corbexx wrote: CCP Fozzie has some numbers. but thats obviously NDA It is only NDA at their whim. It is NDA because they know Hyperion was a failure of a release, and they don't like admitting they are wrong. Keep grasping at your pitchfork man, it's comments like this that are the reason they would have no incentive to release them. The majority of you would spin any data to your already pre conceived conclusion about Hyperion. 1 + 1 = 2 Pre-Hyperion cap kills vs post hyperion cap kills = numbers are down. Don't know how you can spin the truth. Maybe make it a super truth? Better yet, spin it into cotton candy.
Icarus Able Revenant Tactical 476	Posted - 2014.09.07 23:19:00 - [23] - Quote CivilWars wrote: I mean surely all of the high school and college kids returning to school, so they can't play all day had no impact because none of them live in WHs, right? No need to compare the numbers from last year to this one. Nah, that couldn't be it at all. It is 100% Hyperion. Dunno about you. But my corp has actually seen an increase in activity since the summer holidays has ended, because people arent buggering around in the outernet.
CivilWars Rolled Out Triumvirate. 147	Posted - 2014.09.07 23:22:00 - [24] - Quote Icarus Able wrote: CivilWars wrote: I mean surely all of the high school and college kids returning to school, so they can't play all day had no impact because none of them live in WHs, right? No need to compare the numbers from last year to this one. Nah, that couldn't be it at all. It is 100% Hyperion. Dunno about you. But my corp has actually seen an increase in activity since the summer holidays has ended, because people arent buggering around in the outernet. My corp/alliance has seen activity drop the last 2-3 weeks due to AT, but I am sure that too has nothing to do with any drop in numbers in w-space. Just saying there are tons of potential possibilities, and we should be looking at probably 2 years of data, not 2 months. We Re-Rolled. Stop by public channel Rolled Out to join the fun.
Rroff Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 805	Posted - 2014.09.07 23:23:00 - [25] - Quote CivilWars wrote: Rroff wrote: I don't think numbers really show the true impact, there are none the less also going to be some players who use the new mechanics to their advantages which may offset some, even all of the trend - doesn't mean its a good thing. So if the data shows what you want then it is good data, but if it doesn't prove your claim the data must be flawed because data be damned this is a bad thing. And like Win says you guys wonder why CCP doesn't tell you anything. So far I don't have an opinion on what the numbers may or may not show or even what the true impact is. I'm just not sure if the numbers will be straight forward enough to show a clear picture one way or another in the long term.
Pro TIps Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 21	Posted - 2014.09.08 01:16:00 - [26] - Quote I watched a corp haul their **** out of W-space this weekend. Sad, and their killboard wasn't bad -- lot better than mine. They were in a C4 of course. :(
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 1524	Posted - 2014.09.08 02:05:00 - [27] - Quote Mister Tuggles wrote: 1 + 1 = 2 Pre-Hyperion cap kills vs post hyperion cap kills = numbers are down. Don't know how you can spin the truth. Maybe make it a super truth? Better yet, spin it into cotton candy. Learn statistics. You have an inconclusive sample without any dataset to compare it to for annual trends. It shows a possible trend in that there is a drop that occurs at the same time as Hyperion. But without the previous years data sets, as well as data through the year we can't show if the trend is actually going to continue, or if the previous few weeks to Hyperion were in fact the exception and post Hyperion we have simply returned to the lower average value We also don't know how much of this is actually due to the mechanics, and how much is due to player rage causing them to simply not even try regardless of the actual mechanics impact. In short, insufficient data to make any meaningful conclusions.
Winthorp 2696	Posted - 2014.09.08 02:09:00 - [28] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: Mister Tuggles wrote: 1 + 1 = 2 Pre-Hyperion cap kills vs post hyperion cap kills = numbers are down. Don't know how you can spin the truth. Maybe make it a super truth? Better yet, spin it into cotton candy. Learn statistics. You have an inconclusive sample without any dataset to compare it to for annual trends. It shows a possible trend in that there is a drop that occurs at the same time as Hyperion. But without the previous years data sets, as well as data through the year we can't show if the trend is actually going to continue, or if the previous few weeks to Hyperion were in fact the exception and post Hyperion we have simply returned to the lower average value We also don't know how much of this is actually due to the mechanics, and how much is due to player rage causing them to simply not even try regardless of the actual mechanics impact. In short, insufficient data to make any meaningful conclusions. At least this guy gets it.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 510	Posted - 2014.09.08 02:41:00 - [29] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: We also don't know how much of this is actually due to the mechanics, and how much is due to player rage causing them to simply not even try regardless of the actual mechanics impact. In short, insufficient data to make any meaningful conclusions. I have a nagging suspicion that it has a lot to do with player rage.
Shiloh Templeton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 163	Posted - 2014.09.08 03:40:00 - [30] - Quote Winthorp wrote: CCP Fozzie could do an amazing blog with all the WH data they have i am sure, but why would he want to with the level of hate that has been on these forums lately. Because if CCP had numbers that refuted the naysayers they'd release them in a heartbeat ... and the protests would come to an end (other than Dinsdale types of course) because the vast majority of players want Eve and CCP to succeed. If numbers are truly down then hopefully CCP will change course, or be right in their belief that the short term pain will be worth it in the long run.



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