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zerb'liar
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Posted - 2006.07.31 12:38:00 -
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TBH I've never seen a gang window containing some parties at war (I should have seen this one but I didn't).
Pls tell me : do you have to scroll down in the window to see that info or is it on top ?
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Asnar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.31 12:38:00 -
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 Originally by: Captain Thunk
My advice is that lofty and his ilk should get more alts in with T1 support cruisers as they do not aggress when transferring shields/armour/energy. He can then tank absolutely anything 1vs1 and probably most small fleets. People on WoW forums can then point and laugh at Eve for the absurd and stupid rules that we endure in our quest for maximum reward without ever taking any risk.
CAPTAIN THUNK
What are you on about? You can take those support cruisers out, they'll be flagged. Was one of those other things that caused problems.
 And how exactly do you adapt to potentially getting killed by everybody you kill? -Nero Scuro
If I miss you, it will be because my tracking is a little off. - Grey Area |
Asnar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.31 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: zerb'liar
TBH I've never seen a gang window containing some parties at war (I should have seen this one but I didn't).
Pls tell me : do you have to scroll down in the window to see that info or is it on top ?
God don't remember what it says exactly but it's a very small text, no scrolling needed. ( check if you have it set on do not show in options )
And how exactly do you adapt to potentially getting killed by everybody you kill? -Nero Scuro
If I miss you, it will be because my tracking is a little off. - Grey Area |
Captain Thunk
Explode. Now. Please.
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Posted - 2006.07.31 12:42:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Thunk on 31/07/2006 12:42:34
Originally by: Asnar
Originally by: Captain Thunk
My advice is that lofty and his ilk should get more alts in with T1 support cruisers as they do not aggress when transferring shields/armour/energy. He can then tank absolutely anything 1vs1 and probably most small fleets. People on WoW forums can then point and laugh at Eve for the absurd and stupid rules that we endure in our quest for maximum reward without ever taking any risk.
CAPTAIN THUNK
What are you on about? You can take those support cruisers out, they'll be flagged. Was one of those other things that caused problems.
Not if they're in NPC/non-warring corps and out of gang.
They can transfer shields/armour/energy it doesn't flag. If you try to shoot them CONCORD turn up and set you straight on the rules of the game.
CAPTAIN THUNK
If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire...The ENP-Team. |
zerb'liar
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Posted - 2006.07.31 12:44:00 -
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Thanks Asnar.
I have learned the hard way. But I have learned.
"The longest in eternity is when one you are close from the end" :)
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zerb'liar
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Posted - 2006.07.31 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Thunk
Edited by: Captain Thunk on 31/07/2006 12:42:34
Originally by: Asnar
Originally by: Captain Thunk
My advice is that lofty and his ilk should get more alts in with T1 support cruisers as they do not aggress when transferring shields/armour/energy. He can then tank absolutely anything 1vs1 and probably most small fleets. People on WoW forums can then point and laugh at Eve for the absurd and stupid rules that we endure in our quest for maximum reward without ever taking any risk.
CAPTAIN THUNK
What are you on about? You can take those support cruisers out, they'll be flagged. Was one of those other things that caused problems.
Not if they're in NPC/non-warring corps and out of gang.
They can transfer shields/armour/energy it doesn't flag. If you try to shoot them CONCORD turn up and set you straight on the rules of the game.
CAPTAIN THUNK
Can anyone confirm that in order to completely cover this subject ?
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Jillius
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.31 13:28:00 -
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Edited by: Jillius on 31/07/2006 13:35:33
Edited by: Jillius on 31/07/2006 13:28:57
I dont know if Lofty 29 didt this to me (have to check the killmail) but I lost a Brutix in Ours by the same cheap tactic. The funny thing was that later on I help that player with a level 3 mission. When the mission was over I quited the gang and he got flagged for getting stuff from my can. He docked and waited for the agro to go away. harharhar.
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zerb'liar
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Posted - 2006.07.31 13:40:00 -
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Bottom line : ppl with less than BS class vessels flying in Oursulaert : beware of lofty29.
The guy is smart but attacks when he knows that he is superior.
If you want to attack him : Take a DOMI with a 2 years old player. Fit highs with NOS and or / neutralizer, meds with webber - ECM - and cap rechargers, lows with armor rep, warp scrams.
And good luck... it will be a long battle (if anyone manages to win .. at all)
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Captain Thunk
Explode. Now. Please.
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Posted - 2006.07.31 13:46:00 -
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He freely admits he'd never take on such a player - if I recall correctly he said in a previous thread he aims generally for people between oct 2005 - mar 2006 as these yield good loot for no risk to his ship - he may have upped the ante by a few months since. As a result no-one can attack him without taking on CONCORD as well - odd how he's able to use them for his own protection eh?
With the support cruisers I mentioned he should be able to take on anyone. I should add that this is pretty common and not just restricted to Lofty, there are people doing this in every major agent hub.
CAPTAIN THUNK
If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire...The ENP-Team. |
zerb'liar
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Posted - 2006.07.31 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jillius
Edited by: Jillius on 31/07/2006 13:35:33
Edited by: Jillius on 31/07/2006 13:28:57
I dont know if Lofty 29 didt this to me (have to check the killmail) but I lost a Brutix in Ours by the same cheap tactic. The funny thing was that later on I help that player with a level 3 mission. When the mission was over I quited the gang and he got flagged for getting stuff from my can. He docked and waited for the agro to go away. harharhar.
I don't understand why he would need any help in a L3. I can do all L3s in a Thorax if I wish ....(and yet he overpowered me easily in a modded EOS).
That would mean he has no/little skills in gunnery or something like that. Interesting but only an assumption.
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Jillius
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.31 14:32:00 -
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Ill check the kill mail when im at home because im not sure if it was Lofty.
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zibelthurdos
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Posted - 2006.07.31 14:42:00 -
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Edited by: zibelthurdos on 31/07/2006 14:42:20
i haven't seen this response so i'm gonna add it
read the gang invite. if the corp is not at war it will simply say
"join gang" right at the top in big bold letters
if they are at war it will say "join warring gang"
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Jillius
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.31 15:39:00 -
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It was Antaris Xenal who shoot me.
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Miserable Girl
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Posted - 2006.07.31 15:39:00 -
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Edited by: Miserable Girl on 31/07/2006 15:39:59
This is my alt :)
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Kitchie
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Posted - 2006.07.31 15:41:00 -
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I've only been playing a couple of months and I get these invites all the time.
I make most of my money hauling and spend half my time in and around Jita. There's a character there who always invites you in Kisogo, Inevitability. The first time I saw the "Join Gang at War" invite, I thought "What's this?" so I read it and without scrolling or anything, it told me I would be vulnerable to attack by the corp that was at war with Inevitability.
I didn't join....
The info is there, if you read it......
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Locke DieDrake
Port Royal Independent Kontractors
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.07.31 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: zerb'liar
and TBH, I'm not a masochist.
I paid the price he asked (to be precise 127 millions) because I was flyin a ship that was fitted with more than that... that was good business for him and good decision for me.
In order to be relatively coold regarding this kind of events the key is "ISK".
If you have little and get ransomed/destroyed u get mad. If u have a lot and have "incidents" in your career, you just try to learn from those 'incidents'.
I don't thank lofty (I even will eventually try to get my money back in a way or another) but well. I'm pragmatic .. he outsmarted me / or I was too little informed about rules / too confident about my own power...
Forgive me, but after the insurance pay out, what is your EOS worth in ISK?
Because IMHO you made a huge mistake in paying him. And now, because it worked, he'll keep doing it. As a matter of honor you should have agreed to pay, and then self destructed. He gets very little when he destroys a ship, he gets much much more when he ransoms you people.
Lofty is a cheap *****. But if you empire dwellers stop paying him, he will stop doing it. He only does this because it works so very well.
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The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain.
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Avon
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.31 16:17:00 -
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Not paying ransoms is why we have so many gankers, and so few 'old school' pirates.
All this "don't pay, you just encourage them" bravado is just that.
No point cutting off your own nose to spite your face.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Burnhard Brutor
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Posted - 2006.07.31 16:20:00 -
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I believe lofty should have his account banned just for spreading so much bad karma around the Eve universe. Either that or go to Syndicate and see how long he lasts against some real "pirates". I bet he won't be doing much bragging then.
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000Hunter000
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.31 16:29:00 -
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and now this is out, i'm expecting to see more aholes use the same tactic, which means nobody will help n00bs anymore.
Imo, i think this should be a made a bannable exploit, but thats just me. 
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Brazero
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.31 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 31/07/2006 09:12:17
Originally by: zerb'liar
and I blame no one but meself on that situation : if there is a way to know, that is not an exploit... that is the game...
EvE is a masochistic place for sadistic players with malevolent desires.
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Justina Born
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Posted - 2006.07.31 17:02:00 -
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Basically. He makes an alt corp and the alt corp war decs, he then gets you to gang with the alt corp which of course, being at war with him, makes your a target. So.. yeah, lame tactic indeed.
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2006.07.31 17:12:00 -
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All we can hope is that they update that window to flash red or something. Lofty will still get a few targets but not as many. I was running some DED's the other day with a guy I have talked to for a couple of days, he invited me to gang and I pressed okay as I read "warring with..." Just to be safe I warped to a SS and then quit the gang. It turned out there was no danger, but you never know.
Thing that ****es me off, no one has kill rights on lofty cause he's actually got a brain on him, no one can have their vengance. He's already stated that if anyone declares war on his little **** ant corp, that he's gonna run and hide. The guy has never done anything to me, but from what I hear he's a ******* coward, I'll take him on anytime with my other char, but he wouldn't accept the offer. Candy ass.
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zerb'liar
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Posted - 2006.07.31 17:13:00 -
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Answer to why did I pay
(i) insurance for tech II ships is, at best, lousy. (ii) Insurance for modules doesn't exist (and that is an issue). (iii) I would have lost more than I gave
And I do agree upon the fact that in that situation I prefer "good old pirating/ransom/respect their word" rather than "gankers".
All : This post demonstrated several things :
(i) I didn't pay attention to the message which was adressed to me in the gang window (CCP gives us all the way to prevent that from happening if u pay attention)
(ii) I made several mistakes
(ii - a) I warped to 40 km from unknown gang member (too close)
(ii - b) I warped to 15 km from station instead of using my insta BM (lack of preparation)
(ii -c) I was in an EOS 
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.07.31 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: zerb'liar
So basically the fact that the guy you join is at war with someone appears in the gang warning message before accepting to enter the gang ?
Well, message says that someone COULD be at war with the guy I think.
No it lists any and all groups the person's corp is at war with.
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Locke DieDrake
Port Royal Independent Kontractors
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.07.31 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Not paying ransoms is why we have so many gankers, and so few 'old school' pirates.
All this "don't pay, you just encourage them" bravado is just that.
No point cutting off your own nose to spite your face.
It's not bravado. As I have and will continue to fight to the death, rather than pay any ransom.
And if you don't see the point in it, you are foolish beyond words.
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The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain.
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Locke DieDrake
Port Royal Independent Kontractors
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.07.31 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: zerb'liar
Answer to why did I pay
(i) insurance for tech II ships is, at best, lousy. (ii) Insurance for modules doesn't exist (and that is an issue). (iii) I would have lost more than I gave
And I do agree upon the fact that in that situation I prefer "good old pirating/ransom/respect their word" rather than "gankers".
All : This post demonstrated several things :
(i) I didn't pay attention to the message which was adressed to me in the gang window (CCP gives us all the way to prevent that from happening if u pay attention)
(ii) I made several mistakes
(ii - a) I warped to 40 km from unknown gang member (too close)
(ii - b) I warped to 15 km from station instead of using my insta BM (lack of preparation)
(ii -c) I was in an EOS
Your choice of course.
I prefer to go out with my guns hot, even if it costs me more to lose the ship and mods than it would cost to pay the pirate.
The way I see it. I lose ships alot, so the cost to replace them is already in my budget. Paying off pirates to save money is not in my budget. And at the end of the day, my corpse and a handfull of modules isn't going to cover the pirate lifestyle. Where as a couple of 100m+ payoffs will.
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The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain.
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zerb'liar
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Posted - 2006.07.31 17:26:00 -
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Edited by: zerb''liar on 31/07/2006 17:34:22
mmmm
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zerb'liar
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Posted - 2006.07.31 17:33:00 -
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In order to be constructive and helpfull here is what i'll do tonite : fit a passive targeter on and a ship scanner... I will post lofty29 setup tomorrow in order for all to be able to imagine counter measures (only important thing to resist the dude is ability to regen cap faster than he is able to suck it)
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Slave 775
Taiaha Industries
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Posted - 2006.07.31 17:44:00 -
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For your info thats the Message Popup you receive:
JOIN WARRING GANG ?
XXXX XXXXX wants you to join their gang, do you accept?
This gang has members that are at war with the corporation XXXXXX
XXXXXXXX. Confirming that you will join this gang will make you
vulnerable to this corporation, however they will not be vulnerable
to you unless they decide to attack you. Are you sure you want to
join this gang?
NOTE: Attacking members of your gang is not a CONCORD
sanctioned activity and may result in security status loss and a
police response.
You cant attack him until he attacks you, so he goes first with his ECM and NOS. So i bet you wont win this one, because he wont attack you if he thinks he will lose
You got warned so i think its legit, because it was YOU who accepted the invitation, without bothering to read the popup.
I dont think you get a warning from the usual Pirates in EVE.
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Eadoin Remontoire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.31 17:47:00 -
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I find it amusing that most of us know of Lofty's habitual writing of one-sentence quips to the first page of topics for every forum.
I find it doubly amusing he has not posted anything to this topic yet.
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