...CONCORD protection....

There are corporate assets, roles, a lot of people not logged in, etc.... It's non-trivial for a 100 person corp to disband and re-form. And that's what wars are good for - an organization with that kind of signature radius needs to learn to defend itself or end up in the dustbin of Eve history.

That depends on how the corp is organised. If it's organised as a throwaway corp that can be rolled in the instance of a wardec, like a logistics one as baltec suggested would be, it will not take long at all.

I do. That's the point, wardecs are more or less useless at their job.

Except, that's not at all an accurate comparison. The entire economy of EVE is player-driven, and mining and production are at the core of all of it. Which you have to train certain skills to be able to do at all, and many more skills to do effectively and efficiently.

Seems rather absurd to force all the people in NPC corps, who are there specifically so they can avoid wars, into fighting wars.

It takes 5 minutes these days. The freighter alts do not have roles, they don't have corp assets and they can do it the moment they log in. The corp designed to avoid wardecs.

Wars are utterly pointless and the only way to hit someones assets in highsec is to just gank them.

You would move people who are currently in player corps permanently to NPC corps. Would you say that's a good thing?

So.... can I ask...

Are you campaigning against Incursions in High Sec?

Find me the medium-large corps set up like this.

If wars are pointless then why do Marmite and Cannibal Kane continue to thrive?

That's true, though the useless war dec system is as such because it wasn't designed to manage four and five man corps or as in my case, one man corps. You can't disrupt industry one man at a time in EVE any more than you can run Sov one man at a time.

If they fix corp mechanics so AWOX and thievery aren't running the show, there is a better chance people will stop with these micro corps and the War Dec system will fix itself.

Find me the medium-large corps set up like this. I bet you could count them on 1 hand. Reality is that the people who drop and reform will be tiny little corps of a couple of people at most. Most corps that want to avoid decs that way just drop all but the alt CEO and work from NPC corps for the short term. Rebuilding all the roles and titles and re-renting offices, etc, is just way too much hassle.

Yes we do. Everyone who plays EVE agrees to PvP every time they log in.

How is having a slightly more consequential penalty going to keep people in NPC corps? If I jump Corp I cannot rejoin that corp for 7 days. Yet by some strange oversight on CCP's part. I am able to create a Corp with the exact same Name as my previous Corp, within minutes of dropping it.

Having a 7 day stay in an NPC Corp is hardly a penalty, but a step in the right direction.

Simply not true.

Except, that's not at all an accurate comparison. The entire economy of EVE is player-driven, and mining and production are at the core of all of it. Which you have to train certain skills to be able to do at all, and many more skills to do effectively and efficiently.

So CCP made a 'PVP Game', with an economy that is almost entirely dependent on large groups of people choosing to focus on PVE skills...sounds sensible to me.

If wars are pointless then why do Marmite and Cannibal Kane continue to thrive?

Because they find the stupids and they are not looking to disrupt enemy highsec logistics.

Fine....but wardeccs are not just against logistics. The current wardecc mechanic works perfectly well in forcing medium-large established corps to defend themselves.

The wardec mechanic is useless as it means anyone who doesn't want to fight can just bypass it with little to no effort. The only people that hang around are people who either want to fight it or like us, live in null and just don't care.

And yet lots of corps don't just disintegrate when marmite decs them. They keep functioning, take their licks, and try to survive.

I dunno, saying that you pushed a group to collapse implies that they had sufficient members and assets that attempting to fight/ride the war out was considered a better option than disbanding and reforming, up until they couldn't take it anymore. In which case fine, that's war decs doing exactly what was intended.

But the original complaint is that it's too easy for people to just disband their corp and reform to dodge a war dec, which implies that they don't have the numbers or assets to make doing so a problem. And if that's the case, it's hard to view complaining about it as anything more than the equivalent of saying, "Game mechanics should punish people who have nothing to lose for refusing to pad my killboards!"

Dude, strawman again. You must really enjoy putting your ignorance on display, don't you. I was explaining how the corps can exist. I've never seen them, nor had dealings with them, but I can think of how they'd exist after baltec briefly mentioned them. How'd I do that? I used my brain. You should try it some time.

Based on the fact that they can exist, I see no reason why they couldn't or wouldn't, or for nulsec corps not to use them for exactly this purpose. Critical thinking, it's important to apply it if you don't want to appear as ignorant as you do Lucas. You don't need to hand out roles and titles to a bunch of alts in jump freighters making runs to and from Jita and Amarr. You don't need to have a shittonne of assets strewn about the place for the corp. You don't even need to have any money in the corp wallet. No bills for offices, nothing. It's just a few alts and their ships. Like, seriously, think for five ******* seconds dude, please, for your own sake, just try applying a little thought before you just blurt out your pure unabashed obtusity for the universe to witness.

Because the guys in 1 and 2 man corps really won't bother with the hassle, it will be simpler to stay in NPC corps. Bear in mind the suggestion being made is they can't dissolve the corp for 7 days, meaning the CEO will be trapped at war.

It sounds to me like you're thinking they should just have to spend a min 7 days in an NPC corp, which I don't think anybody on either side of the discussion will care about since it would be inconsequential. They still would be able to avoid the dec the same way they do and wardeccers would still cry. Besides, they could just make another corp with an alt then join that. OR are you saying leaving a corp at war should mean you can join no other corp at all for 7 days?

And yet lots of corps don't just disintegrate when marmite decs them. They keep functioning, take their licks, and try to survive.

So you've never heard of them or had any dealing with them, but since baltec said a rough description of how they might potentially exist, that leads you to believe they are a problem that needs a resolution? I think kicking and re-adding 50 people to a corp is going to be more effort than most people will be willing to put in to avoid a wardec on it's own, no matter where the logistics are. The corp interface isn't exactly great.

You do not speak for me in that sense. I have openly admitted I WD dodge. Yet I am still in a 1 man corp. 7days for me would be a cost. I have posses up. production, Refining, inventing. I would need to find a new home to continue all of that. Then the hauling time costs to get there. That's non mining time. The amount of isk I'd lose just taking down the pos would be more than the WD. 1 week in NPC could cost me 100's of millions.

Yet I still use a corp. Why? because in 4 hours I am back up and running again. Tell me again why this is not broken?

Because it wouldn't change a thing. You could just set up a different corp on a different alt and set your pos up there. And I don't disagree that something does need to change, but changes need to occur on the other side too. It's not like wardecs are fine from all sides except that one, the whole system needs to be looked at. A POS is mostly irrelevant now, so sitting in an NPC corp just means your jobs would cost a bit more, but you'd be saving fuel. Swings and roundabouts.

You keep saying that but you never say what you would change about war decs.

Here's you chance, tell us what needs to be done with war decs.

A cap on the number of aggressive wardecs and 2x start costs in exchange for reduced efficiency NPC corps and reduced ability to avoid wardecs (no reforming, timer on players leaving) would be far more balanced. Most normal wardeccers would be mostly unaffected as they wouldn't hit cap and the costs would still be pretty low, but the groups that farm wars at extreme levels would have to make choices over who they want to go after.

I'd be all for a 7 day corp shutdown timer while at war and a 48 hours player leave timer for example, if it wen hand in hand with a limit to 10 aggressive wars and a doubling of war costs. I'd even consider an NPC corp nerf not out of the question either.