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Hickey Stonebrow School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.09.12 01:27:00 - [1] - Quote I currently Fly L3 Missions in a T2 Drake. It is starting to feel like work. I have a job in RL and don't need another one. I have the ISK to move to another hull/faction. Perhaps I can find one that I find more to my liking. So my question for the folks that do L3 and L4 missions is: What do you fly and what makes it more fun for you then the others? Please no "I fly "X" because "Y" sucks". That is no help. If you do in fact like the Drake and enjoy it, tell me why. maybe I am missing something or more likely doing it wrong. Thanks!
Agatir Solenth Servants of the Throne Worlds 21	Posted - 2014.09.12 01:40:00 - [2] - Quote Move up to a battleship... or if you like a smaller ships a T3 for level 4s (you won't have to train larger guns/missiles). The Abaddon has been my one and only ship for PvE. I just couldn't justify spending the bling on a Nightmare.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 553	Posted - 2014.09.12 03:10:00 - [3] - Quote A different approach might liven things up a bit for you. I'd recommend either training up to a battleship that suits your tastes for level 4 missions. For level 3's you might want to consider shipping down to an assault frigate. You wont complete the missions quite as quickly, but it will ramp up the fun aspect of the missions considerably.
Dato Koppla Elite Guards 679	Posted - 2014.09.12 03:19:00 - [4] - Quote All forms of highsec PvE eventually get old and feel like a job IMO. You can switch up ships or do different types of PvE, but you're just prolonging the inevitable. When I did missions I started similar to you, with a Drake, then I switched to a Raven, Navy Scorpion, Navy Raven, Nightmare, Machariel, Tengu, Ishtar and finally a Rattlesnake but I got bored of them all in time. If I had to choose a ship I'd go with the Machariel, it's fast, has the warp speed bonus and does a ton of dps, it's the most 'fun' to fly while also not giving up any dps like a T3 would. I've also blitzed L3s in an Ishtar to unlock level 4s for Sisters of Eve which was good fun for awhile.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 625	Posted - 2014.09.12 03:23:00 - [5] - Quote battleships for max gank is how I roll. missions get VERY repetitive, but with super duper deepz you can at least have a chuckle at how fast you make npc explosions. Flying a AF in high level missions quickly becomes a click orbit shoot guns repeat snooze fest. with high deepz you can at least roll through multiple missions in the same amount of time. also probably worth getting a daredevil or two for burner missions. it seems to be the best ship for a few of the burner fights (awesome webs + high dps). not sure about the other one or two. You can trust me, I have a monocole
RavenPaine RaVeN Alliance 872	Posted - 2014.09.12 04:06:00 - [6] - Quote I haven't flown a Drake since they murdered it a few patches back. Fact is, the Drake probably isn't good at anything now. (Or maybe it's heavy missiles?) ( Or both?) Try the Navy Drake, or move up to one of the BS the other posters have mentioned. I use a Navy Raven I've owned for years. I don't really do missions for ISK exactly..... I do them when I want to chill in game and still be doing something productive.
Kosetzu S1lver Flame 125	Posted - 2014.09.12 04:29:00 - [7] - Quote I only ever do missions for standings these days, most other activities earn you more for the time spent doing it. What makes EvE interesting isn't the solo content but doing stuff with others.
Gefen Orion Orion Star Ltd. 27	Posted - 2014.09.12 05:16:00 - [8] - Quote Whenever I logged on to EVE, I try to set an objective for the time I spend ingame. If for example, I only have an hour to spare, I do lvl4 missions and try to earn as much ISK i can within the timeframe allowed. On an average, I'd earn 60M to 80M (LP + Loot + Bounties) and that in itself feels rewarding for me. Anyway, there are a ton of things you can do in EVE. It's up to you on how to think of a way to better enjoy your sandbox.
Voxinian 40	Posted - 2014.09.12 11:37:00 - [9] - Quote Hickey Stonebrow wrote: I currently Fly L3 Missions in a T2 Drake. It is starting to feel like work. I have a job in RL and don't need another one. I have the ISK to move to another hull/faction. Perhaps I can find one that I find more to my liking. So my question for the folks that do L3 and L4 missions is: What do you fly and what makes it more fun for you then the others? Please no "I fly "X" because "Y" sucks". That is no help. If you do in fact like the Drake and enjoy it, tell me why. maybe I am missing something or more likely doing it wrong. Thanks! What makes you think that flying an other boat does make missions more fun? Missions stay static and boring in any boat, one boat can do the mission just faster then an other.
Deerin Federal Navy Special Forces 281	Posted - 2014.09.12 12:21:00 - [10] - Quote If you are aiming for fun, try using smaller ships. Try blaster moa for l4's for example....or HAM caracal.....or Hawk!!! If you are aiming for isk/hour, go for battleships/t3's.

Zan Shiro Alternative Enterprises 483	Posted - 2014.09.12 12:49:00 - [11] - Quote I fly tengu. Its a lazy "cheap" tank. Speed sig tank, because of high skill am cap stable even with a ds small hardener. Ahven't given AE bonus room a go for a bit but nothing so far has me going oh crap tank wise. Its easy to make hard to find. I like my privacy. Way mine is setup uses old unprovable mechanics (as the fit is old enough I used it back in them days) to be hard to find. Which gives the bene's of very jam proof as well as I see gurista missions a fair bit. I hate BS's.....tried many. I am just not a big ship kind of guy. Think its just too much time on bashes has me hate being in them. Like the freedom of my smaller ships as it were. Just personal preference here really. Tried MJD runs and while nifty not me. if I want to think about angles to land where i want to be 2-3 moves out and such I call up a friend and say its time to shoot some pool and have a few beers lol. Tengu is HML spec. I get a fair mix of long room missions and short room, but I tend to see rats at long range more. With HML the killing starts at longer range. Case of looking at time for me. Rush to close with hamgu time has its downsides to me. But I may give hamgu another go at some point.
chaosgrimm Universal Production and Networking Services 154	Posted - 2014.09.12 13:23:00 - [12] - Quote I use the paladin, kronos, and the vargur on a fairly regular basis. Of these if I had to pick one it would prolly be the vargur, with the kronos as a close second. Just personal preference really. Although, I put them ahead of the pally bc em/therm dmg type is needed less frequently than other types. Marauders are nice for the ewar immunity and because they can loot + salvage well while in combat, and also use substantially less ammo compared to similar boats. I'd suggest moving away from missiles if ur not too invested because: * gunnery support skills apply to 3 different weapon systems * you don't need to train target painting * missles don't mesh with incursions * turret boats usually have a variety of rig options, missile boats use rigors. * turret boats allow you options with hardwiring 6 and 8 without sacrificing weapon system enhancements. * if you ever run missions for the lulz with others, gunners will kill things sometimes before ur missiles even reach the target.
Iain Cariaba 312	Posted - 2014.09.12 16:44:00 - [13] - Quote chaosgrimm wrote: I'd suggest moving away from missiles if ur not too invested because: * gunnery support skills apply to 3 different weapon systems * you don't need to train target painting * missles don't mesh with incursions * turret boats usually have a variety of rig options, missile boats use rigors. * turret boats allow you options with hardwiring 6 and 8 without sacrificing weapon system enhancements. * if you ever run missions for the lulz with others, gunners will kill things sometimes before ur missiles even reach the target. I'd suggest moving away from missiles even if you are heavily invested in them. Not only are all the above true, but with large guns, you can usually insta-pop approaching frigs and cruisers, while medium guns insta-pop approaching frigs. Oversized missiles will never apply damage like that, no matter what range. Disclaimer: My opinion does not necessarily reflect that of my corp or alliance. My opinion is my own, and if you don't like, that is your problem.
Jax Kazen Mordu's Legion HighSec Operations 4	Posted - 2014.09.12 16:45:00 - [14] - Quote Like was said above, missioning will begin to feel like a grind regardless of ship. I keep a fleet of diverse ships so I can switch up play style when I want to keep it fresh(er). For level 4s, things like a Rattler for drone warfare, CRN for sit and blast, MWD Vindicator w/ blasters for times when I want to get up close and be moving. I'll also fly a pimp Gila just to watch BSes fall to a cruiser. All in all though, if missioning is feeling like a job or a grind, you need to find something else to do just to break it up - otherwise you'll burn out. Maybe build out an explorer Stratios or (depending on skills) go on a cloaked site seeing tour to the Eve gate.
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 13175	Posted - 2014.09.13 06:00:00 - [15] - Quote Raven for level 3s at the moment, it is much more effective at them than a drake. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Hickey Stonebrow School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.09.13 15:42:00 - [16] - Quote Thanks for all the replies! The general consensus seems to be: By a Battleship and go L4s. Fair enough. Unfortunately, that is not financially feasible at this time. While I could build a low end BS, I would have to violate the first rule of EVE. DonGÇÖt fly what you cannot afford to lose. In my case it would be GÇ£replaceGÇ¥. LOL So, I am going with the other idea presented and changing weapon systems. I did enjoy sniping when I first started playing. I donGÇÖt know if that is viable strategy beyond L1 missions. I have only flown Caldari ships (mostly missile fits). Is there a gun/rail Battlecruiser fit that can handle the blockade? That is the mission that caused me to go T2 on my Drake so I am leery of it.
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 1202	Posted - 2014.09.13 17:55:00 - [17] - Quote I fly a Golem, Paladin, and Vargur for level 4's. Because no jamming thats why. And lazy is also why. No switching fittings for particular missions. Have them in 3 separate empires and jump clones to match implants to ships. Non marauders that are fun to fly IMHO are Rattlesnake, Machariel, Fleet issue Typhoon, Armageddon, and Tengu. I try to keep it diverse as possible to keep it from feeling like a 2nd job. Sometimes I blitz, sometimes I maraud, sometimes I rush several missions then noctis them all. Have in industry toon to make stuff out of reprocessed junk, pretty much have to have a PvP setup for hauling Pirate faction BP's to make stuff, and have a Stratios on a 7 year exploration mission. I do a,little mining too. Have a baby and can mine and play with her at the same time. And gank miners. Because all miners are assholes. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á
Celthric Kanerian Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation 92	Posted - 2014.09.13 18:01:00 - [18] - Quote I find level 4 missions fun and soothing because it's so calm compared to my regular everyday life.
Nad'x Hapax Hapaxa 55	Posted - 2014.09.15 04:56:00 - [19] - Quote At minimum I have a Vargur and a Tengu at hand. Vargur: for Ewar immunity and clearing+salvaging. Usually I have looted and salvaged everything 30 seconds after I killed my last rat. (salvage drones and 3 tractors. Tengu: HAM Tengu for blitzing If u are afraid to lose your ship when going o lvl 4s Id say train for a Dominix and sinse u are planning on changing weaponsystem go drones. The domi will have outstanding both application and projection so your tank will be no issue with all that range. Eventually ull be able to use a Rattlesnake (missile/drones) and rock 1400DPS at close-medium range with a massive tank.
onions2 Overwhelming Synergy 0	Posted - 2014.09.15 07:23:00 - [20] - Quote My bro and i duo the L3's and 4's. i use a Rupture (ropey armor tank, just for ***** n giggles) and he's using a drake. It's fun because it's actually a fight - not a case of fly in pew pew leave, more like fly in, aggro, kill a few, back off and regen and fly in again. Instapopping stuff is amusing for a while, but we found it to be slightly underwhelming when a mission or even a sansha site, is over in a few clicks GÇ£To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skillGÇ¥

Inxentas Ultramar Ultramar Independent Contracting 1505	Posted - 2014.09.15 17:04:00 - [21] - Quote It's mildly enjoyable to figure out a missions' triggers and blitz them for LP. Usually I just use them as a rapid method to increase sec stat, and keep an even wallet balance. I tend to welp a lot of cheap ships in pew pew. A few missions set me up for an entire night of frigate PVP so I tend to treat missions as in-between content snacks, to occupy one half of my brain while the other is on Teamspeak and chat channels. If hisec missions bore you, try lowsec or nullsec missions. They are not harder then hisec ones and range from level 1 to 5. The latter are fun to run with a fleet, although you will need to be a little ballsy and social to be able to join in on that content.
Vogon Roads Vogon Inc 0	Posted - 2014.09.15 20:35:00 - [22] - Quote what i fly and why- when i dual box(no software, just two pcs) i fly mjd dominix. fairly quick killing big missions. when i want to loot- vargur or golem when i want to fly passive- rattlesnake, great tank, excellent damage, missions go quick. when i get too many gurista/serp/sansa- vargur or golem, no more jams. when i want fly fast- ishtar, still handles l4's just fine. all the above are reasonably easy to change fit for extry tank, range, etc. i still have my drake(s). i use them to run l4 recon 3. one of them is now a poor man's command ship. havent used an assault frig in l4 in some time. was fun the first couple times, but about as slow as a drake would be now in l4's.
Baronn Creel Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.09.15 20:47:00 - [23] - Quote I fly the Ferox for L3s simply because I think it looks awesome
Mina Sebiestar Mactabilis Simplex Cursus 735	Posted - 2014.09.15 23:00:00 - [24] - Quote Didn't do them for a while and since Mina finnished missile skills I planted her in fleet phoon and another girl in nestor both shield tanked got north of 2700dps combined over some 80-90km, curator cruise for phoon curator tachions for Nestor. Was rather fun considering both ships are light on tank and just when rats start to brake tank they switch to 2nd ship they constantly did that. Missions happened in amarr and both ships had huge em hole there was melting on both sides but was actually fun largely becouse it seems that particular agent did not see a pod pilot in a while and bombarded with blockade and assault missions. Bur yeah another day or so and I am rdy to took 3-4 month brake from missions. If not for mina horrible amar standing wouldn't even bother otherwise. http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
Hickey Stonebrow School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.09.16 04:09:00 - [25] - Quote Hapax, I am not overly worried about losing the ship to rats. My concern is gankers. I haven't been ganked ...Yet! I am certain if I play long enough it IS going to happen. I just don't want to be screwed if/when it does.
Dr Cedric Independent Miners Corporation Care Factor 74	Posted - 2014.09.16 05:04:00 - [26] - Quote Baronn Creel wrote: I fly the Ferox for L3s simply because I think it looks awesome Also, 7 medium rails is a fantastic barrage of metal, and the tank is sh*tty enough give you some palpitations Also, is sexy Cedric
Voxinian 43	Posted - 2014.09.16 09:12:00 - [27] - Quote Hickey Stonebrow wrote: Hapax, I am not overly worried about losing the ship to rats. My concern is gankers. I haven't been ganked ...Yet! I am certain if I play long enough it IS going to happen. I just don't want to be screwed if/when it does. Chances of getting ganked in high sec is very small unless you are being stupid.
Kitty Bear Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance 1409	Posted - 2014.09.16 11:12:00 - [28] - Quote I generally usually use a Tengu Precision for L3's Fury for L4's ISK/hour ratio's are not really my main objective so it all works for me.
Cetaphil Thrace The Scope Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2014.09.16 14:35:00 - [29] - Quote Gefen Orion wrote: Whenever I logged on to EVE, I try to set an objective for the time I spend ingame. If for example, I only have an hour to spare, I do lvl4 missions and try to earn as much ISK i can within the timeframe allowed. On an average, I'd earn 60M to 80M (LP + Loot + Bounties) and that in itself feels rewarding for me. Anyway, there are a ton of things you can do in EVE. It's up to you on how to think of a way to better enjoy your sandbox. I fly a mach mostly or the tengu for lvl4's. I agree with above, you can make 60-80 mil an hour which is fun to me i like shopping! So when i don't want to get into something that takes forever like ops, i mission. This game you can do what you like there are no rules.
Luwc Brodozers Inc. 224	Posted - 2014.09.16 15:07:00 - [30] - Quote Ishtar because its OP and can run missions just as good as pimped faction battleships. and way cheaper ~needs lot of SP including at least drone skills and HAC to lvl4 http://hugelolcdn.com/i/267520.gif

Incindir Mauser Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy 442	Posted - 2014.09.16 21:31:00 - [31] - Quote Hickey Stonebrow wrote: I currently Fly L3 Missions in a T2 Drake. It is starting to feel like work. I have a job in RL and don't need another one. I have the ISK to move to another hull/faction. Perhaps I can find one that I find more to my liking. So my question for the folks that do L3 and L4 missions is: What do you fly and what makes it more fun for you then the others? Please no "I fly "X" because "Y" sucks". That is no help. If you do in fact like the Drake and enjoy it, tell me why. maybe I am missing something or more likely doing it wrong. Thanks! Navy Dominix for rofldrones. It is literally snooze missioning. Vargur for making stuff explode quickly and immune to Ewar. Downside: Requires me to be awake in some fashion. HAM Tengu for blitzing. Only downside is the tiny tank and is vulnerable to gankers.
chaosgrimm Universal Production and Networking Services 156	Posted - 2014.09.16 21:49:00 - [32] - Quote Luwc wrote: [Ishtar] can run missions just as good as pimped faction battleships. A swing and a miss.
Hickey Stonebrow School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.09.17 00:28:00 - [33] - Quote Voxinian wrote: Hickey Stonebrow wrote: Hapax, I am not overly worried about losing the ship to rats. My concern is gankers. I haven't been ganked ...Yet! I am certain if I play long enough it IS going to happen. I just don't want to be screwed if/when it does. Chances of getting ganked in high sec is very small unless you are being stupid. Way cool! Since I don't plan on flying low/null sec or building a multi-billion ISK ship any time soon, I guess I can build a low end Battleship. The Raven is more missiles and the Navy ships are out of reach financially. The Dominix sounds interesting.
Kitty Bear Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance 1410	Posted - 2014.09.17 01:40:00 - [34] - Quote Hickey Stonebrow wrote: Way cool! Since I don't plan on flying low/null sec or building a multi-billion ISK ship any time soon, I guess I can build a low end Battleship. The Raven is more missiles and the Navy ships are out of reach financially. The Dominix sounds interesting. Cruise Missiles don't swat npc frigates so well, so don't skimp too much on the drone skills Light Scout & Medium Scout Drone skills will be all you need for a Raven (and the Medium Drones skill is probably overkill) A smattering of the Drone Support skills to L4 will be more than enough for your needs. For the Dominix you'll need to add the Sentry Drones Skill in addition to S/M Scouts Get your drone support skills to 4 initially, but for a dedicated drone boat like the domi .... you'll want them at 5 fairly soon You can shield tank the Domi quite well too .. add some blasters & it does a large amount of short range dps (around 1200dps with drones) Training for the Raven & Dominix unlocks the Rattlesnake .. Drones + Missiles is always fun.
DingieSan Black Salmon 0	Posted - 2014.09.17 15:28:00 - [35] - Quote To enjoy missioning more I try to use multiple ships in different stages of the mission. Say for example bringing a Hyperion blaster fit for close combat brawling after selectively downing the greatest threat using Navi Domi with sniper sentries. Make no mistake, the higher level SoE 4 missions can be quite hard so challenge will be there, though I suppose a Marauder has some more room to breatheGÇª
Nad'x Hapax Hapaxa 55	Posted - 2014.09.18 23:36:00 - [36] - Quote Hickey Stonebrow wrote: Hapax, I am not overly worried about losing the ship to rats. My concern is gankers. I haven't been ganked ...Yet! I am certain if I play long enough it IS going to happen. I just don't want to be screwed if/when it does. What ship u fly wont matter, its what u fit it with that can get u ganked. Generally any good missions ship will do great with a T2 fitting. (almost) Noone will gank that
Kosetzu S1lver Flame 126	Posted - 2014.09.19 05:57:00 - [37] - Quote Nad'x Hapax wrote: What ship u fly wont matter, its what u fit it with that can get u ganked. Generally any good missions ship will do great with a T2 fitting. (almost) Noone will gank that Except if you mission in something like state ravens or some other alliance tournament
Voxinian 45	Posted - 2014.09.19 10:02:00 - [38] - Quote Nad'x Hapax wrote: Hickey Stonebrow wrote: Hapax, I am not overly worried about losing the ship to rats. My concern is gankers. I haven't been ganked ...Yet! I am certain if I play long enough it IS going to happen. I just don't want to be screwed if/when it does. What ship u fly wont matter, its what u fit it with that can get u ganked. Generally any good missions ship will do great with a T2 fitting. (almost) Noone will gank that A ship filled with shiny pithium and faction modules is a nice juicy target to gank, specially if it's setup for PvE instead of PvP.
IIshira School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 1271	Posted - 2014.09.21 22:56:00 - [39] - Quote Hickey Stonebrow wrote: I currently Fly L3 Missions in a T2 Drake. It is starting to feel like work. I have a job in RL and don't need another one. I do missions on a regular basis and it's an ISK grind. It can be entertaining for a short period but after so many missions it's work. It doesn't matter what ship you fly. I change up ships depending on the mission and I think that helps a little. It's not that one ship is less boring but just different. If you want something less like work try some form of PVP. It's more unpredictable and can have a fun factor. The downside is most PVP isn't profitable. If you're short on ISK just do it on occasion. Kill rights can be a downside if you do your PVP in high or lowsec. Maybe keep it to nullsec
Karl Jerr Herzack Unit 33	Posted - 2014.09.23 21:20:00 - [40] - Quote I flying a Navy Omen w/ L3 + a logi alt because I like multitask. I don't use the alt for all the missions, only the biggest ones. For L4: Proteus in some days. I know that not much people like it and prefer the Tengu, but always fly what you feel fun to fly

Maldiro Selkurk CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X 202	Posted - 2014.09.24 22:35:00 - [41] - Quote I don't like drama and so i prefer to play solo. I still get to blast stuff and play the market and mine all at the same time (2 accts). Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
Memran War Crime Syndicate Easily Excited 72	Posted - 2014.09.25 07:21:00 - [42] - Quote I'm just going to say that on the rare occasions I do a mission, I fly a Vargur with a 2-slot tank (Large Shield Booster II + Bastion). The rest of the slots are 800 autos, gyros, TE and tracking comps, sometimes sebos. In the cargo I have a mobile depot and tank mods (invul, shield boost amp, DCU etc). On the VERY rare occasions that the damage is too high, I simply refit for more tank, and as the damage tails off, I refit back to gank. Most of the time, you insta-blapp frigs and cruisers, so you'll never get pointed etc. Easy mode! The problem is, no matter what you do, eventually missions, just like all PvE, simply becomes a grind. Better to go to lowsec and pick a fight! :D
Altair Taurus Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:46:00 - [43] - Quote BTW, I'd like to know if there is general strict warship classification in EVE (worse->better) in line with such a scheme: T1 -> Navy faction -> Pirate faction -> T2 -> T3?
Degnar Oskold Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop 131	Posted - 2014.09.25 22:04:00 - [44] - Quote My mission alt flies a Machariel for grinding Level 3s for standings - Warps fast , moves fast, and most stuff in level 3s starts in autocannon range. A Vargur for hisec level 4s - Salvage drones salvage while I kill and tractor, usually have little downtime to wait while looting/salvaging since most of it is done while running the room Sin for nullsec level 4s - because taking a faction fitted mission battleship through a hostile nullsec gate and/or getting bubbles on stations is suicide . Easier to use another alt to pick up missions and covert cyno the mission running toon into the right systems in safe spots.


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