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God's Apples
The Tuskers The Tuskers Co.
433
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Posted - 2014.09.19 01:45:00 -
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Omega Crendraven wrote:Gorski Car wrote:Phaade wrote:God's Apples wrote:Seems reasonable. I wish the flycatcher could get a 8/4/2 slot layout, but at least now it's going to be actually viable as an alternative to the heretic and has the role of ~siqq~ alpha.
Don't see why you're nerfing missiles again tho... Hey look, it's the drone exploit user. And because it's slowly devolved to drones online. You of all people should know this. Stay mad that the taskforce drone wizards swagged your entire militia HAHA you are the worst caldari you are worst militia. Remove caldari fw you are the militia smell haha o7 to ur slava drones rhiload we will nevr forget u borther)) i am slava serb are warrioring race and born to kill and fihgt we are rais to be power in mental energys and the strength when i was in the forth year of the rossiyea flight school i make the pod explode and ask the corp for srp ceo punch me in the guts in frotn of chat and tell me i am the pussie. and then he make me carry iterons out of station until midnite because the serbs are best in the fighteng and the sciences. we have slava drone now. and gecko power. we can desstroy hole world i. but we do not because we are the benelovent and defencers of the calicci fw. serbs are resorseful and will do anythign to sorvive. you cannot beat a sebr in the medium outpost competiton. when my gret uncle was the eight year old the dei telum invaded akidagi his fatter beat dei telum vexor. he killed deitelum soljer to death with no weopin. that is how the strong serb is. when my gret grandmotter walking from the villige well to home the deitelum soljer shoot her in ankle. this is in ww1. hole village come out with hoes and the tools of the farming and butcher deitelum with falkon and gecko
Dei-telum genocide best day of my life ))) |

Verdis deMosays
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
44
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Posted - 2014.09.19 01:49:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:There needs to be a new warp disruption bubble for the Interdictors that is capable of stopping interdiction immune ships.
Bake that in to Heavy Interdiction Cruisers and people will use them instead of the interdeadctors. Just a crazy idea.
*Onyx pilot signing off* |

Maxwell Smiles
Exiled Kings The Fearless Empire
1
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Posted - 2014.09.19 10:02:00 -
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Wouldn't the light missile "fix" be to increase explosion radius so it does less damage to frigate hulls while still able to apply its measly damage to cruiser and above hulls. I dont think i've ever balked from a 1v1 because they might be packing light missiles, usually you would laugh at their pathetic dps. Alternatively nerf light missile range and bring in a module and bring in a module that increases missile speed, pilots would then have to choose between range and dps, missile may then be able to outrun heavy drones again. |

TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
818
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Posted - 2014.09.19 14:48:00 -
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Maxwell Smiles wrote:Wouldn't the light missile "fix" be to increase explosion radius so it does less damage to frigate hulls while still able to apply its measly damage to cruiser and above hulls. I dont think i've ever balked from a 1v1 because they might be packing light missiles, usually you would laugh at their pathetic dps. Alternatively nerf light missile range and bring in a module and bring in a module that increases missile speed, pilots would then have to choose between range and dps, missile may then be able to outrun heavy drones again.
no, the light missile fix would be halfing the range, while undoing the massive dps and signature buffs they got a few years back. also probably gutting their alpha substantially. |

Gorski Car
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
368
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Posted - 2014.09.19 17:55:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:Maxwell Smiles wrote:Wouldn't the light missile "fix" be to increase explosion radius so it does less damage to frigate hulls while still able to apply its measly damage to cruiser and above hulls. I dont think i've ever balked from a 1v1 because they might be packing light missiles, usually you would laugh at their pathetic dps. Alternatively nerf light missile range and bring in a module and bring in a module that increases missile speed, pilots would then have to choose between range and dps, missile may then be able to outrun heavy drones again. no, the light missile fix would be halfing the range, while undoing the massive dps and signature buffs they got a few years back. also probably gutting their alpha substantially.
Why not just remove light missile? you ******* ****** a range nerf is al they need m8er #GORSKI4CSM https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4265138#post4265138
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Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
230
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Posted - 2014.09.19 18:00:00 -
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Gorski Car wrote: Why not just remove light missile? you ******* ****** a range nerf is al they need m8er
That's precisely what he wants. He thinks any module capable of adversely affecting frigates should be removed from the game. 
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BraiZure Harloon
A-31 Violent Intent
24
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Posted - 2014.09.19 18:04:00 -
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Stop nerfing missiles. They aren't over powered compared to any other weapon systems. Why? As it stands other than BCS we have no support modules like Tracking comps enhancers and at top tier Gunnery weapons systems out DPS anything they have. Precision lights are useless in burner missions and PVP. What is the thinking behind the mass reduction and why is the Eris loosing ten times the mass that the Heretic is? |

Code Redd
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.09.19 18:10:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eris: Replace the +5% Small Hybrid damage bonus with +5% Small Hybrid RoF -50000 Mass
Heretic: Replace the +5% Missile damage bonus with +5% Rocket and Light Missile launcher RoF -5000 Mass -0.1 Inertia
Flycatcher: +1 Launcher +10 CPU +3 PWG
I fly all of these, to one degree or another, and 1. The eris with the new bonus will have a RoF UNDER a second with ions, how is that going to mesh with the server ticks?
Heretic, with you god aweful light missile nerf (why? because a crow is op? it's not like th corax is OP, no one uses them), should be fine. will keep it from being a turd--but, tbh, needs some more EHP, just a hundred or so armor. It's missing a low, and an eris out-tanks it, even with the 4% resists. Needs more armor. just a little. because that resist bonus is TOTALLY useless when an eris does it a LOT better.
Flycatcher--fantastic change! it brings it into a unique class of having the largest alpha-volly in not only the whole class, but the whole of small/dessy sized missile ships, FINALLY a reason to fly it over a corax/hawk (yes, both those ships get the same damage as the current flycatcher). the 3 PG means i can pull out the PG implant from my head. ty. |

TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
818
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Posted - 2014.09.19 18:12:00 -
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Gorski Car wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:Maxwell Smiles wrote:Wouldn't the light missile "fix" be to increase explosion radius so it does less damage to frigate hulls while still able to apply its measly damage to cruiser and above hulls. I dont think i've ever balked from a 1v1 because they might be packing light missiles, usually you would laugh at their pathetic dps. Alternatively nerf light missile range and bring in a module and bring in a module that increases missile speed, pilots would then have to choose between range and dps, missile may then be able to outrun heavy drones again. no, the light missile fix would be halfing the range, while undoing the massive dps and signature buffs they got a few years back. also probably gutting their alpha substantially. Why not just remove light missile? you ******* ****** a range nerf is al they need m8er
and what kind of range nerf would you suggest m8, to bring them into line with beams/rails/arties |

scorchlikeshiswhiskey
interstellar initiative Incorporated
285
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Posted - 2014.09.19 18:15:00 -
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BraiZure Harloon wrote: Stop nerfing missiles. They aren't over powered compared to any other weapon systems. Why? As it stands other than BCS we have no support modules like Tracking comps enhancers and at top tier Gunnery weapons systems out DPS anything they have. Precision lights are useless in burner missions and PVP. What is the thinking behind the mass reduction and why is the Eris loosing ten times the mass that the Heretic is?
I'd say wait for the Dev blog/module balancing thread, but you could probably get an answer a lot quicker by asking your friendly neighborhood Goonie. CCP has a long history of heavy-handed missile nerfs, i.e. the heavy missile nerf to "fix" the Drake or completely replacing the old RLML system with the new one. I can't say I'm entirely surprised that they're nerfing missiles again. Maybe the much touted metrics weren't showing enough use of RLML's on cruiser hulls so they wanted to "encourage" players to use RLML's over standard LM's so that players can enjoy the new Oceanus music while waiting for their launchers to reload instead of taking a short nap.  |
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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
818
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Posted - 2014.09.19 18:32:00 -
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more like missile scrubs have a long history of making **** up |

Cyrek Ohaya
Perkone Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2014.09.19 19:45:00 -
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Am I supposed to be on anti light drone duty with the Flycatcher? Why not go after the frigate/destroyer drone ship altogether? exp.radius bonuses for rockets and lights feels confusing. |

Vailen Sere
The Oasis Group TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
0
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Posted - 2014.09.20 04:50:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone! As CCP Seagull mentioned in her coming in Oceanus dev blog, we're following up with Interceptors and Interdictors this release to apply some more polish. These Interdictor changes are fairly minor as we consider the balance of this class fairly healthy. They are mainly aimed at helping the Eris, Heretic and Flycatcher compete more strongly against the Sabre for applications where combat ability matters. One important module tweak that applies significantly to these ships (we'll be discussing it in more detail in an upcoming module balance blog) is that in Oceanus Light Missile Launchers will have their Rate of Fire decreased by ~6%. Eris:Replace the +5% Small Hybrid damage bonus with +5% Small Hybrid RoF -50000 Mass Heretic:Replace the +5% Missile damage bonus with +5% Rocket and Light Missile launcher RoF -5000 Mass -0.1 Inertia Flycatcher:+1 Launcher +10 CPU +3 PWG
My question now becomes: with all these crazy "balances" to missiles, where do they currently stand in the rankings of damage compared to the other platforms? (drones, railguns, hybrids, missiles, etc..) |

Vailen Sere
The Oasis Group TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
0
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Posted - 2014.09.20 04:51:00 -
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Cyrek Ohaya wrote:Am I supposed to be on anti light drone duty with the Flycatcher? Why not go after the frigate/destroyer drone ship altogether? exp.radius bonuses for rockets and lights feels confusing.
It's a Big Fraking Gun against an interceptor than. |

Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
169
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Posted - 2014.09.20 06:13:00 -
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El Space Mariachi wrote:fozzie why do you and Rise have a compulsion to implement (needed) nerfs to overpowered ships by both hurting the ship and the weapon system it uses? HMLs had to die so that everyone and their aunt would stop flying Drakes, when does the madness end?
why do you hate caldari? why do you hate missiles? why do you like hurting me???? what did i do to you???????
I agree that the Drones are quite too powerful for the moment because the lack of counter measures. But obviously light missiles are a bit too powerful nowadays. it is funny to see that while CCP reduce the ROF of light missiles they are giving a bonus to ROF to the Heretic. Quite hard to predict what that will give. In my opinion CCP should take a look to Explosion radius and Explosion velocity of the missiles. They do not fit with the stats of the ships ... Posted - 2010.07.01 11:24:00 - [4] Erase learning skills, remap all SP. That's all. |

Gorski Car
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
371
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Posted - 2014.09.20 08:34:00 -
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Cardano Firesnake wrote:El Space Mariachi wrote:fozzie why do you and Rise have a compulsion to implement (needed) nerfs to overpowered ships by both hurting the ship and the weapon system it uses? HMLs had to die so that everyone and their aunt would stop flying Drakes, when does the madness end?
why do you hate caldari? why do you hate missiles? why do you like hurting me???? what did i do to you??????? I agree that the Drones are quite too powerful for the moment because the lack of counter measures. But obviously light missiles are a bit too powerful nowadays. it is funny to see that while CCP reduce the ROF of light missiles they are giving a bonus to ROF to the Heretic. Quite hard to predict what that will give. In my opinion CCP should take a look to Explosion radius and Explosion velocity of the missiles. They do not fit with the stats of the ships ...
People are using lmls because hmls are trash atm. the only thing op about lmls is the range. #GORSKI4CSM https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4265138#post4265138
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Phaade
Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF
251
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Posted - 2014.09.20 15:24:00 -
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Gorski Car wrote:Phaade wrote:God's Apples wrote:Seems reasonable. I wish the flycatcher could get a 8/4/2 slot layout, but at least now it's going to be actually viable as an alternative to the heretic and has the role of ~siqq~ alpha.
Don't see why you're nerfing missiles again tho... Hey look, it's the drone exploit user. And because it's slowly devolved to drones online. You of all people should know this. Stay mad that the taskforce drone wizards swagged your entire militia HAHA you are the worst caldari you are worst militia. Remove caldari fw you are the militia smell haha o7 to ur slava drones rhiload we will nevr forget u borther)) i am slava serb are warrioring race and born to kill and fihgt we are rais to be power in mental energys and the strength when i was in the forth year of the rossiyea flight school i make the pod explode and ask the corp for srp ceo punch me in the guts in frotn of chat and tell me i am the pussie. and then he make me carry iterons out of station until midnite because the serbs are best in the fighteng and the sciences. we have slava drone now. and gecko power. we can desstroy hole world i. but we do not because we are the benelovent and defencers of the calicci fw. serbs are resorseful and will do anythign to sorvive. you cannot beat a sebr in the medium outpost competiton.
Did anyone understand what this idiot just rambled about? |

El Space Mariachi
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
138
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Posted - 2014.09.20 16:09:00 -
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Phaade wrote:Gorski Car wrote:Phaade wrote:God's Apples wrote:Seems reasonable. I wish the flycatcher could get a 8/4/2 slot layout, but at least now it's going to be actually viable as an alternative to the heretic and has the role of ~siqq~ alpha.
Don't see why you're nerfing missiles again tho... Hey look, it's the drone exploit user. And because it's slowly devolved to drones online. You of all people should know this. Stay mad that the taskforce drone wizards swagged your entire militia HAHA you are the worst caldari you are worst militia. Remove caldari fw you are the militia smell haha o7 to ur slava drones rhiload we will nevr forget u borther)) i am slava serb are warrioring race and born to kill and fihgt we are rais to be power in mental energys and the strength when i was in the forth year of the rossiyea flight school i make the pod explode and ask the corp for srp ceo punch me in the guts in frotn of chat and tell me i am the pussie. and then he make me carry iterons out of station until midnite because the serbs are best in the fighteng and the sciences. we have slava drone now. and gecko power. we can desstroy hole world i. but we do not because we are the benelovent and defencers of the calicci fw. serbs are resorseful and will do anythign to sorvive. you cannot beat a sebr in the medium outpost competiton. Did anyone understand what this idiot just rambled about?
i understood it 100% maybe you should learn to be more tolerant of peoples differences gay gamers for jesus |

Oddsodz
C.Q.B Bohica Empire
101
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Posted - 2014.09.21 17:58:00 -
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I Would also like to point out that cap usage on the Eris will go up with the ROF bonus, Will that be addressed?
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Danny John-Peter
Snuff Box
514
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Posted - 2014.09.23 09:51:00 -
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Suitonia wrote:Lady Rift wrote:why is it changes to missile systems also come with changes to missile ships? can't one happen and see the effects before both are changed at once. All the Interdictor changes here are buffs to the ships. The Heretic Damage -> ROF is a 7.6% DPS increase (which almost cancels out the 8% DPS loss from the 6% Rate of Fire penalty for LML) It's becoming a bit more mobile too, and don't forget the Rocket Heretic actually got a decent buff. The LML Heretic will probably be in the same position that it is in now (strong). Flycatcher has gotten a significant boost. 16.6% DPS increase (The Flycatcher will have 10.5 effective Kinetic Launchers now). This is a 8.6% boost to raw DPS with light missiles, and a major boost to the Rocket Flycatcher.
+Rep for doing the maths I couldn't be bothered to do. |
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Yogsoloth
Percussive Diplomacy
149
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Posted - 2014.09.24 15:13:00 -
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I don't really understand the LML nerf.
Thier DPS is paltry Thier Alpha is less than Arty's They're inherently disadvantaged by velocity and flight times that other systems arent affected by They don't get range or tracking (exp radius would be the closest equivalent) bonus's. They have fair range, but missiles are designed to have range and are still out ranged by other platforms.
I'm just really perplexed and angered by this. Guess EVE will continue to be drones on-line until we get some fresh perspective on whats happening out there. |

TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
821
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Posted - 2014.09.24 15:25:00 -
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Oddsodz wrote:I Would also like to point out that cap usage on the Eris will go up with the ROF bonus, Will that be addressed?
it wasn't with the megathron. they seriously need to stop with this rof bonus as a bigger damage bonus thing, if they're also going to be handing out 37.5% and 50% damage bonuses wherever they feel like it. |

TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
821
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Posted - 2014.09.24 15:55:00 -
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Yogsoloth wrote:I don't really understand the LML nerf.
Thier DPS is paltry Thier Alpha is less than Arty's They're inherently disadvantaged by velocity and flight times that other systems arent affected by They don't get range or tracking (exp radius would be the closest equivalent) bonus's. They have fair range, but missiles are designed to have range and are still out ranged by other platforms.
I'm just really perplexed and angered by this. Guess EVE will continue to be drones on-line until we get some fresh perspective on whats happening out there.
this post is bait, right? considering reporting it. |

Ultimate Tales
SomeWhat SophiSticateD Shadow Cartel
7
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Posted - 2014.09.24 16:06:00 -
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CCP plz remove light missiles from game and give us SP back. Who need them now? Maby you to nerf them again in next "patch". Remove rapids too. **** it, remove all missiles. |

Longdrinks
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
102
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Posted - 2014.09.24 19:36:00 -
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Getting more and more hyped for this patch every day. Eris too for good measure |

Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
788
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Posted - 2014.09.24 20:18:00 -
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Sweet Baby Jesus. Imma steal your fits.
GÇ£I personally refuse to help AAA take space from itself so it can become an even shittier version of itselfGÇ¥ -Grath Telkin, 2014.
Free PASTA! |

Moken Ayu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.09.24 22:23:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
The real problem is that when CCP talks about boosting something nobody uses, everyone's response is "why buff something we won't use?" and then when they talk about nerfing something everybody uses, the response is "OMG CCP you're ruining the game for everyone!" The problem isn't any lack of CCP's ability to balance the game, but a resistance to having a balanced game.
Implying anyone would cry if sentries#2014Eve got nerfed.
A little off topic, but, I think its high time Sentries had a serious looking into to. Since the mechanics they were originally designed around ceased to exist a few years ago. |

Lady Spank
The Intaki Ladies Deep Space Astrogation Auxiliary
3664
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Posted - 2014.09.25 02:55:00 -
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Ultimate Tales wrote:CCP plz remove light missiles from game and give us SP back. Who need them now? Maby you to nerf them again in next "patch". Remove rapids too. **** it, remove all missiles. Lol.
Literally bough advanced light missiles skill after reading the patch notes, too bad you can't just use ur dumb f1 servants crows any more but try and get good at game ok? (a¦á_a¦â) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |

Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
2718
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Posted - 2014.09.25 03:25:00 -
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I have this feeling that LMLs are being nerfed to make RLMLs look better by comparison. |

Erika Calvert
The Holy Knights of Malta
0
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Posted - 2014.09.25 16:54:00 -
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CCP fix those damn bubble launchers on dictors, it is not normal that you are able to launch something and dock right away. Dictor bubble should be considered as aggro. This has lasted for too long.  |
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