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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:03:00 -
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Hey everyone! As CCP Seagull mentioned in her coming in Oceanus dev blog, we're following up with Interceptors and Interdictors this release to apply some more polish.
These Interdictor changes are fairly minor as we consider the balance of this class fairly healthy. They are mainly aimed at helping the Eris, Heretic and Flycatcher compete more strongly against the Sabre for applications where combat ability matters.
One important module tweak that applies significantly to these ships (we'll be discussing it in more detail in an upcoming module balance blog) is that in Oceanus Light Missile Launchers will have their Rate of Fire decreased by ~6%.
Eris: Replace the +5% Small Hybrid damage bonus with +5% Small Hybrid RoF -50000 Mass
Heretic: Replace the +5% Missile damage bonus with +5% Rocket and Light Missile launcher RoF -5000 Mass -0.1 Inertia
Flycatcher: +1 Launcher +10 CPU +3 PWG Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/ |
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Drake Doe
SVER True Blood Public.Disorder.
459
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:09:00 -
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Seems Like the eris might become a bit more useful now compared to the sabre. "The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! *pops more corn*" ---Evernub-- |
Omega Crendraven
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
175
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:14:00 -
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First they came from my rapid lights And I did nothing Then they came from my LML's And there was no one left to protect me " REMOVE RLML remove rlml you are worst light missile, you are the missile idiot you are the missile smell. return to rubicon. to our hml cousins you may come our fitting. you may live in the hangarGǪ.ahahahaha" CCP Rise |
Gorski Car
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
322
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:15:00 -
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Omega Crendraven wrote:First they came from my rapid lights And I did nothing Then they came from my LML's And there was no one left to protect me
#GORSKI4CSM https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4265138#post4265138
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Baali Tekitsu
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
629
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:15:00 -
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**** dirty lml cheaters kthx RATE LIKE SUBSCRIBE |
Baali Tekitsu
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
630
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:16:00 -
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Omega Crendraven wrote:First they came from my rapid lights And I did nothing Then they came from my LML's And there was no one left to protect me RATE LIKE SUBSCRIBE |
Liam Inkuras
Top Belt Heroes Black Rise Police Department
1273
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:19:00 -
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RIP Epic alpha strike Heretic
Edit: but I welcome the new Flycatcher I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |
Ammzi
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
1831
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:20:00 -
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Gorski Car wrote:First they came for the Tracking Enhacers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I didn't have tracking enhacers fitted
Then they came for the Tier 3 Battlecrusiers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Tier 3 Pilot
Then they came for the Skirmish Boosts, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Linked Pilot
Then they came for my Lights -and there was no one left to speak for me
amen |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates Forged of Fire
538
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:22:00 -
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I'll have to EFT it to see how much difference the fitting changes make, but looks promising. This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine. |
Burneddi
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
115
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:22:00 -
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RIP last bastion of Caldari viability |
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Jim Harder
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
1
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:22:00 -
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Gorski Car wrote:First they came for the Tracking Enhacers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I didn't have tracking enhacers fitted
Then they came for the Tier 3 Battlecrusiers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Tier 3 Pilot
Then they came for the Skirmish Boosts, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Linked Pilot
Then they came for my Lights -and there was no one left to speak for me
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Suitonia
Eve is Easy.
334
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:24:00 -
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Flycatcher might be a bit too strong with these changes, even despite the 6% ROF nerf. (Although the Flycatcher is limited to Kinetic, 10.5 Effective Launchers is quite a lot.)
Eris changes good, I think the Eris suffers a lot from having 2 mid slots, but a good start.
Heretic change good to compensate for the LML nerf. (It will be about the same place in terms of power). Contributer to Eve is Easy:-á https://www.youtube.com/user/eveiseasy/videos
Check out my PvP Rifter guide for new players; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YReUNRTGcXo |
God's Apples
The Tuskers The Tuskers Co.
429
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:24:00 -
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Seems reasonable. I wish the flycatcher could get a 7/4/2 slot layout, but at least now it's going to be actually viable as an alternative to the heretic and has the role of ~siqq~ alpha. |
Kion Oriki
LAWN Moons
0
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:24:00 -
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Gorski Car wrote:First they came for the Tracking Enhacers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I didn't have tracking enhacers fitted
Then they came for the Tier 3 Battlecrusiers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Tier 3 Pilot
Then they came for the Skirmish Boosts, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Linked Pilot
Then they came for my Lights -and there was no one left to speak for me
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Baali Tekitsu
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
630
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:26:00 -
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Gorski Car wrote:First they came for the Tracking Enhacers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I didn't have tracking enhacers fitted
Then they came for the Tier 3 Battlecrusiers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Tier 3 Pilot
Then they came for the Skirmish Boosts, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Linked Pilot
Then they came for my Lights -and there was no one left to speak for me
RATE LIKE SUBSCRIBE |
Belen Shields
Iskender Kebap Corp
8
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:27:00 -
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Does the heretic really need 4 turret hardpoints? |
n3xxz
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:27:00 -
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Gorski Car wrote:First they came for the Tracking Enhacers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I didn't have tracking enhacers fitted
Then they came for the Tier 3 Battlecrusiers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Tier 3 Pilot
Then they came for the Skirmish Boosts, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Linked Pilot
Then they came for my Lights -and there was no one left to speak for me
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Silverbackyererse
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
85
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:28:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
One important module tweak that applies significantly to these ships (we'll be discussing it in more detail in an upcoming module balance blog) is that in Oceanus Light Missile Launchers will have their Rate of Fire decreased by ~6%.
Good luck with that. |
El Space Mariachi
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
125
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:31:00 -
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can you refund my SP in light missiles and dump it directly into drones please I want to remain competitive in Drones Online and trade my talwars in for Algoses
also can you apply the 6% decrease to RLMLs so I can have a longer uptime before I'm useless during reloads tia in advance gay gamers for jesus |
El Space Mariachi
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
125
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:33:00 -
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fozzie why do you and Rise have a compulsion to implement (needed) nerfs to overpowered ships by both hurting the ship and the weapon system it uses? HMLs had to die so that everyone and their aunt would stop flying Drakes, when does the madness end? gay gamers for jesus |
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El Space Mariachi
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
125
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:35:00 -
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i guess raptors getting buffed is cool though so thanks gay gamers for jesus |
elitatwo
Congregatio
299
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:35:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote: -snap-
One important module tweak that applies significantly to these ships (we'll be discussing it in more detail in an upcoming module balance blog) is that in Oceanus Light Missile Launchers will have their Rate of Fire decreased by ~6%.
Ohoh!!
I have the feeling that someone will be messing with my missiles again.
Now whom in the csm do I need to strangle to prevent this from happening? signature |
Bullet Therapist
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
139
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:40:00 -
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Ha! Now I've got a reason to fly something other than the sabre. |
HHHNNNGGG
Sanchez's Little Helpers
9
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:40:00 -
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Gorski Car wrote:First they came for the Tracking Enhacers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I didn't have tracking enhacers fitted
Then they came for the Tier 3 Battlecrusiers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Tier 3 Pilot
Then they came for the Skirmish Boosts, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Linked Pilot
Then they came for my Lights -and there was no one left to speak for me
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El Space Mariachi
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
125
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:46:00 -
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El Space Mariachi wrote:can you refund my SP in light missiles and dump it directly into drones please I want to remain competitive in Drones Online and trade my talwars in for Algoses
also can you apply the 6% decrease to RLMLs so I can have a longer uptime before I'm useless during reloads tia in advance
El Space Mariachi wrote:fozzie why do you and Rise have a compulsion to implement (needed) nerfs to overpowered ships by both hurting the ship and the weapon system it uses? HMLs had to die so that everyone and their aunt would stop flying Drakes, when does the madness end?
why do you hate caldari? why do you hate missiles? why do you like hurting me???? what did i do to you???????
El Space Mariachi wrote:i guess raptors getting buffed is cool though so thanks
wow this is the wrong thread thanks whoever linked me this gay gamers for jesus |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
814
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:49:00 -
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why are dictors crazy fast, while destroyers are slower than cruisers? |
Rengas
Origin. Black Legion.
402
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:54:00 -
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Gorski Car wrote:First they came for the Tracking Enhacers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I didn't have tracking enhacers fitted
Then they came for the Tier 3 Battlecrusiers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Tier 3 Pilot
Then they came for the Skirmish Boosts, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Linked Pilot
Then they came for my Lights -and there was no one left to speak for me All my lights have gone out... |
Capqu
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
638
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:56:00 -
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Gorski Car wrote:First they came for the Tracking Enhacers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I didn't have tracking enhacers fitted
Then they came for the Tier 3 Battlecrusiers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Tier 3 Pilot
Then they came for the Skirmish Boosts, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Linked Pilot
Then they came for my Lights -and there was no one left to speak for me
lights are overpowered at frigate level but they're a joke compared to what ******* drones are at cruiser level
bouncer iis online thanks rise thanks fozzie thanks obama
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNpMiT5qpyI |
Capqu
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
639
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Posted - 2014.09.18 00:02:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:why are dictors crazy fast, while destroyers are slower than cruisers?
because cruisers were re-balanced more recently than destroyers
in case you haven't noticed re-balance means massive buffs and power creep unless you're talking about missiles in which case it means rest in peace heavy missiles rest in peas rapid lights rest in piece citadel torps
gone but not froggoten
upvote if u cry everytime u see a heavy missile launcher in the wild in 2014 (i've never cried) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNpMiT5qpyI |
Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.09.18 00:07:00 -
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What about fixing the issue with agression on the dictor's bubble? first it got agression, now there is no way to agress a dictor by its bubble. This is overpowered and i was expecting a change to that was fairly disappointed. Nice the eris gets a buff but still not getting at the crux of the problem with interdictors. |
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
2831
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Posted - 2014.09.18 00:10:00 -
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i liked the heretic for its good alpha - so i usually used heretic for LML/kite and flycatcher for rocket/brawl (dual neut yey!). You will still be able to do that after the changes (obviously) but the changes make them very similar ships.
The different properties made them quite interesting but the proposed changes would make them almost exchangeable and therefore in my opinion overall more boring ships. eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates Forged of Fire
538
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Posted - 2014.09.18 00:11:00 -
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Henry Plantgenet wrote:What about fixing the issue with agression on the dictor's bubble? first it got agression, now there is no way to agress a dictor by its bubble. This is overpowered and i was expecting a change to that was fairly disappointed. Nice the eris gets a buff but still not getting at the crux of the problem with interdictors.
No, this is working as intended. It also means that being an interdictor pilot doesn't mean losing your ship almost every time you fly it.The more I see these interdictor changes, the happier I am. This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine. |
Capqu
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
641
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Posted - 2014.09.18 00:18:00 -
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Henry Plantgenet wrote:What about fixing the issue with agression on the dictor's bubble? first it got agression, now there is no way to agress a dictor by its bubble. This is overpowered and i was expecting a change to that was fairly disappointed. Nice the eris gets a buff but still not getting at the crux of the problem with interdictors.
warping in bubbles to aggress was unintuitive and obscure. however the issue of dictors on an npc null station really needs to be looked at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNpMiT5qpyI |
BadAssMcKill
ElitistOps
867
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Posted - 2014.09.18 00:19:00 -
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Gorski Car wrote:First they came for the Tracking Enhacers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I didn't have tracking enhacers fitted
Then they came for the Tier 3 Battlecrusiers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Tier 3 Pilot
Then they came for the Skirmish Boosts, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Linked Pilot
Then they came for my Light Missiles -and there was no one left to speak for me
. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
435
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Posted - 2014.09.18 00:22:00 -
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Capqu wrote:however the issue of dictors on an npc null station really needs to be looked at working as intended
stage in lowsec if you don't like bubbles |
Capqu
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
641
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Posted - 2014.09.18 00:24:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Capqu wrote:however the issue of dictors on an npc null station really needs to be looked at working as intended stage in lowsec if you don't like bubbles
we do m7 im not talkin about it for myself, i try to have an objective view on things u know https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNpMiT5qpyI |
Absocold
Origin. Black Legion.
6
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Posted - 2014.09.18 00:28:00 -
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It's rather odd that T1 Destroyers can demolish Interdictors. Give the interdictors a healthy resist bonus. Then add a negative resist bonus to the bubble launcher so that when the hull is used as an interdictor it's the same EHP as it is now but if you take the bubble launcher off then the extra resists take effect and it becomes a real T2 destroyer.
Reverse most of the missile and missile launcher nerfs and replace the ECM mechanic with a Missile Disruption mechanic to go along with the current Turret Destabilization. |
Steven Hackett
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
80
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Posted - 2014.09.18 00:30:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Capqu wrote:however the issue of dictors on an npc null station really needs to be looked at working as intended stage in lowsec if you don't like bubbles So does sov.. hf |
El Space Mariachi
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
125
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Posted - 2014.09.18 00:30:00 -
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ok now i actually bothered to read the op these are all good nice changes f-dog
especially hype for the flycatcher getting an extra launcher gay gamers for jesus |
Powers Sa
1371
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Posted - 2014.09.18 01:09:00 -
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I feel like you're trying to encourage close range combat over kiting with these changes. Is the idea to force more commitment and therefore greater consumption? Afterall, we don't see arty sabres
El Space Mariachi wrote:ok now i actually bothered to read the op these are all good nice changes f-dog
especially hype for the flycatcher getting an extra launcher all aboard the hype train lol |
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5yndr0m3
Origin. Black Legion.
23
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Posted - 2014.09.18 01:20:00 -
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Capqu wrote:
warping in bubbles to aggress was unintuitive and obscure. however the issue of dictors on an npc null station really needs to be looked at
this.
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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
435
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Posted - 2014.09.18 01:51:00 -
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just get some sov and you don't have to worry about interdictor aggression mechanics |
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
356
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Posted - 2014.09.18 01:59:00 -
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How about changing the Damage/RoF bonus to be a fall-off bonus and give it an 8th turret? |
Airi Cho
Dark-Rising Executive Outcomes
15
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Posted - 2014.09.18 02:08:00 -
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Gorski Car wrote:First they came for the Tracking Enhacers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I didn't have tracking enhacers fitted
Then they came for the Tier 3 Battlecrusiers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Tier 3 Pilot
Then they came for the Skirmish Boosts, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Linked Pilot
Then they came for my Light Missiles -and there was no one left to speak for me
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
1850
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Posted - 2014.09.18 03:10:00 -
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Omega Crendraven wrote:First they came from my rapid lights And I did nothing Then they came from my LML's And there was no one left to protect me
Gorski Car wrote:First they came for the Tracking Enhacers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I didn't have tracking enhacers fitted
Then they came for the Tier 3 Battlecrusiers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Tier 3 Pilot
Then they came for the Skirmish Boosts, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Linked Pilot
Then they came for my Light Missiles -and there was no one left to speak for me
The real problem is that when CCP talks about boosting something nobody uses, everyone's response is "why buff something we won't use?" and then when they talk about nerfing something everybody uses, the response is "OMG CCP you're ruining the game for everyone!" The problem isn't any lack of CCP's ability to balance the game, but a resistance to having a balanced game. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) "What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk |
Naoru Kozan
Calamitous-Intent Feign Disorder
73
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Posted - 2014.09.18 03:35:00 -
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Gorski Car wrote:First they came for the Tracking Enhacers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I didn't have tracking enhacers fitted
Then they came for the Tier 3 Battlecrusiers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Tier 3 Pilot
Then they came for the Skirmish Boosts, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Linked Pilot
Then they came for my Light Missiles -and there was no one left to speak for me
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Catherine Laartii
Providence Guard Templis CALSF
284
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Posted - 2014.09.18 04:54:00 -
[47] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone! As CCP Seagull mentioned in her coming in Oceanus dev blog, we're following up with Interceptors and Interdictors this release to apply some more polish. These Interdictor changes are fairly minor as we consider the balance of this class fairly healthy. They are mainly aimed at helping the Eris, Heretic and Flycatcher compete more strongly against the Sabre for applications where combat ability matters. One important module tweak that applies significantly to these ships (we'll be discussing it in more detail in an upcoming module balance blog) is that in Oceanus Light Missile Launchers will have their Rate of Fire decreased by ~6%. Eris:Replace the +5% Small Hybrid damage bonus with +5% Small Hybrid RoF -50000 Mass Heretic:Replace the +5% Missile damage bonus with +5% Rocket and Light Missile launcher RoF -5000 Mass -0.1 Inertia Flycatcher:+1 Launcher +10 CPU +3 PWG
I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, they're getting better dps which falls in line with being able to hit things *hard* on field before going down, but the slot layout still does need to be addressed. it would be a fairly simple matter to just drop a high on the flycatcher and give it the extra low. Need to fit cloak and bubble? Just drop a launcher and you'll be fine, np.
I am looking forward to fitting lights on a kite heretic for FW plexing. it looks scary as hell with the extra dps and slight mobility bump. |
Torei Dutalis
IceBox Inc. Lasers Are Magic
14
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Posted - 2014.09.18 04:54:00 -
[48] - Quote
Changes to interdictors, sure, great, nothing really amazing to look at. More random nerfs, not cool Fozzie, not cool. Hopefully the Gorski Car quote fest will reach a critical mass. |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1289
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Posted - 2014.09.18 06:11:00 -
[49] - Quote
Sounds good to me. Signature Tanking - Best Tanking
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Mizhir
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
68784
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Posted - 2014.09.18 07:59:00 -
[50] - Quote
I like the changes. +1 One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
1869
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Posted - 2014.09.18 08:13:00 -
[51] - Quote
There needs to be a new warp disruption bubble for the Interdictors that is capable of stopping interdiction immune ships. +1 |
Faren Shalni
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
57
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Posted - 2014.09.18 08:42:00 -
[52] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:There needs to be a new warp disruption bubble for the Interdictors that is capable of stopping interdiction immune ships.
Point on the doll where the interceptor touched you So Much Space |
Madbuster73
V0LTA Triumvirate.
115
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Posted - 2014.09.18 08:53:00 -
[53] - Quote
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Omega Crendraven wrote:First they came from my rapid lights And I did nothing Then they came from my LML's And there was no one left to protect me Gorski Car wrote:First they came for the Tracking Enhacers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I didn't have tracking enhacers fitted
Then they came for the Tier 3 Battlecrusiers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Tier 3 Pilot
Then they came for the Skirmish Boosts, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Linked Pilot
Then they came for my Light Missiles -and there was no one left to speak for me The real problem is that when CCP talks about boosting something nobody uses, everyone's response is "why buff something we won't use?" and then when they talk about nerfing something everybody uses, the response is "OMG CCP you're ruining the game for everyone!" The problem isn't any lack of CCP's ability to balance the game, but a resistance to having a balanced game.
They are buffing and nerfing the wrong thing. Its Ishtars and Stealthbombers that need nerfed. Everybody knows Ishtars are way too OP. Everybody knows Stealthbombers are OP, hence why nobody in 0.0 wants to fight in Battleships anymore.
Ishtars DPS needs be cut in half. Stealtbombers need to be nerfed by giving bomb launch delay after decloaking (5 seconds delay) |
Arthur Aihaken
X A X
3808
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Posted - 2014.09.18 08:56:00 -
[54] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:One important module tweak that applies significantly to these ships (we'll be discussing it in more detail in an upcoming module balance blog) is that in Oceanus Light Missile Launchers will have their Rate of Fire decreased by ~6%. Welcome to the new EVE: A Game of Drones. You continually buff drones, essentially leave the Ishtar overpowered and intact and resume the march to nerf missiles in one form or another. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Danny John-Peter
Snuff Box
512
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Posted - 2014.09.18 09:17:00 -
[55] - Quote
Well I guess its time to buy Flycatchers.
Or you know, probably just buy a Worm or 5 instead. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1632
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Posted - 2014.09.18 09:49:00 -
[56] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone! As CCP Seagull mentioned in her coming in Oceanus dev blog, we're following up with Interceptors and Interdictors this release to apply some more polish. These Interdictor changes are fairly minor as we consider the balance of this class fairly healthy. They are mainly aimed at helping the Eris, Heretic and Flycatcher compete more strongly against the Sabre for applications where combat ability matters. One important module tweak that applies significantly to these ships (we'll be discussing it in more detail in an upcoming module balance blog) is that in Oceanus Light Missile Launchers will have their Rate of Fire decreased by ~6%. Eris:Replace the +5% Small Hybrid damage bonus with +5% Small Hybrid RoF -50000 Mass Heretic:Replace the +5% Missile damage bonus with +5% Rocket and Light Missile launcher RoF -5000 Mass -0.1 Inertia Flycatcher:+1 Launcher +10 CPU +3 PWG
is is really -50 K mass for one and -5 K for the other? "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Ammzi
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
1831
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Posted - 2014.09.18 09:57:00 -
[57] - Quote
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
The real problem is that when CCP talks about boosting something nobody uses, everyone's response is "why buff something we won't use?" and then when they talk about nerfing something everybody uses, the response is "OMG CCP you're ruining the game for everyone!" The problem isn't any lack of CCP's ability to balance the game, but a resistance to having a balanced game.
Implying anyone would cry if sentries#2014Eve got nerfed. |
per
Terpene Conglomerate
19
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Posted - 2014.09.18 10:01:00 -
[58] - Quote
flycatcher the new king of the hill |
Santiago Diamond
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2014.09.18 10:04:00 -
[59] - Quote
Gorski Car wrote:First they came for the Tracking Enhacers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I didn't have tracking enhacers fitted
Then they came for the Tier 3 Battlecrusiers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Tier 3 Pilot
Then they came for the Skirmish Boosts, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Linked Pilot
Then they came for my Light Missiles -and there was no one left to speak for me
It seems like CCP is on an ever increasing race to the middle, where everything is average and cozy and stupid. We don't need another "America", but in internet space, full of average intelligence and Chinese imports. Because that's where this is totally going.
rabble:rabble:rabble
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ivona fly
Aideron Robotics
0
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Posted - 2014.09.18 10:22:00 -
[60] - Quote
Gorski Car wrote:First they came for the Tracking Enhacers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I didn't have tracking enhacers fitted
Then they came for the Tier 3 Battlecrusiers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Tier 3 Pilot
Then they came for the Skirmish Boosts, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Linked Pilot
Then they came for my Lights -and there was no one left to speak for me
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Oikaze Maricadie
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2014.09.18 10:26:00 -
[61] - Quote
Eris still needs 3 mids and 3 lows instead of 2 and 4 I think to be competitive. It can't brawl since it can't use scram/web and it can't really kite either due to fitting issues. |
ivona fly
Aideron Robotics
0
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Posted - 2014.09.18 10:31:00 -
[62] - Quote
On this toon i trained missiles first, mainly because i liked the cool animation that rockets / missiles have.
Everybody told me missiles suck for PvP, train turrets, but i did not listen as i wanted a Missile spewing pilot.
Since then every second release seems to effect missiles in a negative way, even if not intended (RLML)
it just seems to me like:
Drake broken ..... nerf missiles, tengu broken nerf missiles ... wait what.. tengu can use light missiles now as only viable launcher system?.... okay nerf missiles ..... tengu now uses rails (job done) crow OP ..... errrm nerf da missiles.
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fox targaryen
Nordwaffe
0
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Posted - 2014.09.18 10:58:00 -
[63] - Quote
Gorski Car wrote:First they came for the Tracking Enhacers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I didn't have tracking enhacers fitted
Then they came for the Tier 3 Battlecrusiers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Tier 3 Pilot
Then they came for the Skirmish Boosts, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Linked Pilot
Then they came for my Light Missiles -and there was no one left to speak for me |
per
Terpene Conglomerate
19
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Posted - 2014.09.18 11:07:00 -
[64] - Quote
TrouserDeagle wrote:why are dictors crazy fast, while destroyers are slower than cruisers?
destroyers are designed to kill frigate class ships .... oh wait |
Budrick3
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
47
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Posted - 2014.09.18 12:39:00 -
[65] - Quote
Please don't mess with light missiles. Frigates are supposed to die quickly because they are inexpensive. The meta game of eve already Permits to many frigates to be viable and light missiles are the only viable counter right now. |
Oddsodz
C.Q.B Bohica Empire
100
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Posted - 2014.09.18 13:01:00 -
[66] - Quote
I Must say, I am not too sure about the ROF change to the Eris. As somebody that flys a HULLTANKED Eris in lowSec a lot (Not trolling Go look at my killsboards at zKill). That 5% to damage is very important to me, It is what gives me the chance to kill something when I finally get in range before I explode. It's the amount of alpha striking with blasters when I do get in range that makes this work. Now if you change that 5% damage to 5% ROF, That means I have less alpha striking and have to do more shots on the target for it to die. This means I have even less time to kill something, Because we all know blasters have poor range projection. So I would ask that you don't change that. Also I would love a Mid slot, Or and some more HULL hitpoints please ;-) But I can live with out it lol |
elitatwo
Congregatio
299
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Posted - 2014.09.18 13:23:00 -
[67] - Quote
Oddsodz wrote:I Must say, I am not too sure about the ROF change to the Eris. As somebody that flys a HULLTANKED Eris in lowSec a lot (Not trolling Go look at my killsboards at zKill). That 5% to damage is very important to me, It is what gives me the chance to kill something when I finally get in range before I explode. It's the amount of alpha striking with blasters when I do get in range that makes this work. Now if you change that 5% damage to 5% ROF, That means I have less alpha striking and have to do more shots on the target for it to die. This means I have even less time to kill something, Because we all know blasters have poor range projection. So I would ask that you don't change that. Also I would love a Mid slot, Or and some more HULL hitpoints please ;-) But I can live with out it lol
The ROF 'bonus' also means that if you turn on the heat on your guns, you are doing it wrong.. signature |
Odithia
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2014.09.18 13:52:00 -
[68] - Quote
I like those thanges, the Eris and Flycatcher were pretty bad.
On another subject, how many years do we have to wait for a properly balanced HAC lineup ? They need another pass for Oceanus rather than for the next'next update. |
Powers Sa
1372
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Posted - 2014.09.18 14:06:00 -
[69] - Quote
Capqu wrote:Henry Plantgenet wrote:What about fixing the issue with agression on the dictor's bubble? first it got agression, now there is no way to agress a dictor by its bubble. This is overpowered and i was expecting a change to that was fairly disappointed. Nice the eris gets a buff but still not getting at the crux of the problem with interdictors. warping in bubbles to aggress was unintuitive and obscure. however the issue of dictors on an npc null station really needs to be looked at Seeing as how your buddies in BL invented it, no one is crying for you guys. Don't forget the Karan roots whence you came. lol |
Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
689
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Posted - 2014.09.18 14:51:00 -
[70] - Quote
The Eris is in a odd place. I've pushed that thing up to 10k in hit points and got a full rack of 75 rails on it. Even dual propped it. Dps is anemic though for any non at 0 brawler. The potential is there though. I'd probably feel better if it got a boost to its afterburner (similar to the cruor). That'd make its blaster version a pwnmobile though. Overall, if it had the ability to fit 125 rails it'd be good. Yaay!!!! |
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Circumstantial Evidence
139
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Posted - 2014.09.18 15:07:00 -
[71] - Quote
Faren Shalni wrote:Rek Seven wrote:There needs to be a new warp disruption bubble for the Interdictors that is capable of stopping interdiction immune ships. Point on the doll where the interceptor touched you If the main goal of bubble immunity was to make mining fleets in deep null a bit less safe to fast roaming gangs, 'safe' behind their gates with 10 anchored bubbles, this interdictor-only special bubble idea could be balanced by making it expensive. 20, 30 mil? Plus you might have to reload for the special bubble, and that's one minute :)
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Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague The Bastion
332
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Posted - 2014.09.18 15:13:00 -
[72] - Quote
Kagura Nikon wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone! As CCP Seagull mentioned in her coming in Oceanus dev blog, we're following up with Interceptors and Interdictors this release to apply some more polish. These Interdictor changes are fairly minor as we consider the balance of this class fairly healthy. They are mainly aimed at helping the Eris, Heretic and Flycatcher compete more strongly against the Sabre for applications where combat ability matters. One important module tweak that applies significantly to these ships (we'll be discussing it in more detail in an upcoming module balance blog) is that in Oceanus Light Missile Launchers will have their Rate of Fire decreased by ~6%. Eris:Replace the +5% Small Hybrid damage bonus with +5% Small Hybrid RoF -50000 Mass Heretic:Replace the +5% Missile damage bonus with +5% Rocket and Light Missile launcher RoF -5000 Mass -0.1 Inertia Flycatcher:+1 Launcher +10 CPU +3 PWG is is really -50 K mass for one and -5 K for the other?
Those numbers are significant but not totally weird, as it'll bring Eris to 1200t and Heretic to 1300t. |
Angrod Losshelin
Oath of the Forsaken WormHole Occupation and Resource Exploitation
91
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:00:00 -
[73] - Quote
Baali Tekitsu wrote:Gorski Car wrote:First they came for the Tracking Enhacers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I didn't have tracking enhacers fitted
Then they came for the Tier 3 Battlecrusiers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Tier 3 Pilot
Then they came for the Skirmish Boosts, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Linked Pilot
Then they came for my Lights -and there was no one left to speak for me
Check out my PodCast:-áhttp://praisebobpodcast.blogspot.com/ Also checkout these other PodCasts: http://evepodcasts.com/
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1638
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:16:00 -
[74] - Quote
Budrick3 wrote:Please don't mess with light missiles. Frigates are supposed to die quickly because they are inexpensive. The meta game of eve already Permits to many frigates to be viable and light missiles are the only viable counter right now.
Pirate frigates are not so cheap. Specially one properly fit that cost over 150 M isk "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1638
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:18:00 -
[75] - Quote
remove "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Swiftstrike1
Swiftstrike Incorporated
778
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:58:00 -
[76] - Quote
- Targeting, Sensors and ECM Overhaul |
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
interstellar initiative Incorporated
272
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Posted - 2014.09.18 17:20:00 -
[77] - Quote
So.... which Null sec entity cried hard enough for CCP to resume the missile nerfs? Oceanus looks to me like Null sec batphoned their pocker-Devs and now everyone else has to deal with it. Also, stop screwing with missiles already!! What is it with you people and your hate boner for missiles? |
Ravcharas
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
349
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Posted - 2014.09.18 17:34:00 -
[78] - Quote
scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:Oceanus looks to me like Null sec batphoned their pocker-Devs and now everyone else has to deal with it. It was me, I did it. I told progod and progod told Fozzie and now here we are.
Although, as long as we're being honest - doesn't all expansions look like that to you? |
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
interstellar initiative Incorporated
273
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Posted - 2014.09.18 17:45:00 -
[79] - Quote
Ravcharas wrote:scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:Oceanus looks to me like Null sec batphoned their pocker-Devs and now everyone else has to deal with it. It was me, I did it. I told progod and progod told Fozzie and now here we are. Although, as long as we're being honest - doesn't all expansions look like that to you? You caught me, guess I'll go back to my bridge and stop questioning why CCP decided to nerf an entire weapon system with that 6% RoF reduction.
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Arthur Aihaken
X A X
3817
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Posted - 2014.09.18 17:59:00 -
[80] - Quote
scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:You caught me, guess I'll go back to my bridge and stop questioning why CCP decided to nerf an entire weapon system with that 6% RoF reduction. CCP Fozzie "rebalances" by buffing drones and nerfing missiles. CCP Rise just screws things up royally (I'm honestly surprised he's allowed near cutleryGǪ). I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
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Ravcharas
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
351
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Posted - 2014.09.18 18:08:00 -
[81] - Quote
scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote: You caught me, guess I'll go back to my bridge and stop questioning why CCP decided to nerf an entire weapon system with that 6% RoF reduction.
No, you're right. Our operation -- nay! the stability of all of political nullsec, was being threatened by lml-boats. They just had to go. |
Phaade
Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF
247
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Posted - 2014.09.18 18:42:00 -
[82] - Quote
God's Apples wrote:Seems reasonable. I wish the flycatcher could get a 8/4/2 slot layout, but at least now it's going to be actually viable as an alternative to the heretic and has the role of ~siqq~ alpha.
Don't see why you're nerfing missiles again tho...
Hey look, it's the drone exploit user.
And because it's slowly devolved to drones online. You of all people should know this. |
Tiger Tesla
Periphery Bound Dominatus Atrum Mortis
44
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Posted - 2014.09.18 19:26:00 -
[83] - Quote
Gorski Car wrote:First they came for the Tracking Enhacers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I didn't have tracking enhacers fitted
Then they came for the Tier 3 Battlecrusiers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Tier 3 Pilot
Then they came for the Skirmish Boosts, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Linked Pilot
Then they came for my Light Missiles -and there was no one left to speak for me
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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
445
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Posted - 2014.09.18 20:01:00 -
[84] - Quote
the funny thing about this thread is that all of you people butchering Martin Niem+¦ller are just falling into the same trap
namely: you chase the overpowered fotm, then get sideswiped by the inevitable nerf |
Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
78
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Posted - 2014.09.18 20:39:00 -
[85] - Quote
why is it changes to missile systems also come with changes to missile ships? can't one happen and see the effects before both are changed at once. |
Suitonia
Eve is Easy.
340
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Posted - 2014.09.18 21:22:00 -
[86] - Quote
Lady Rift wrote:why is it changes to missile systems also come with changes to missile ships? can't one happen and see the effects before both are changed at once.
All the Interdictor changes here are buffs to the ships.
The Heretic Damage -> ROF is a 7.6% DPS increase (which almost cancels out the 8% DPS loss from the 6% Rate of Fire penalty for LML) It's becoming a bit more mobile too, and don't forget the Rocket Heretic actually got a decent buff. The LML Heretic will probably be in the same position that it is in now (strong).
Flycatcher has gotten a significant boost. 16.6% DPS increase (The Flycatcher will have 10.5 effective Kinetic Launchers now). This is a 8.6% boost to raw DPS with light missiles, and a major boost to the Rocket Flycatcher.
Contributer to Eve is Easy:-á https://www.youtube.com/user/eveiseasy/videos
Check out my PvP Rifter guide for new players; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YReUNRTGcXo |
Xorth Adimus
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
44
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Posted - 2014.09.18 21:40:00 -
[87] - Quote
Nice little buff on the flycatcher.. it is a shame rockets are so terrible (terrible range anemic damage application) and that squeezing a full rack of missiles is not something a flycatcher can do without some major fitting limitations. Give it the fittings to achieve this or stop pretending that all dictors can be used like most other destroyers (and sabres!) for anti tackle.
A survivability bonus on all dictors would be better, like a signiture reduction for instance. |
Gorski Car
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
363
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Posted - 2014.09.18 22:56:00 -
[88] - Quote
Phaade wrote:God's Apples wrote:Seems reasonable. I wish the flycatcher could get a 8/4/2 slot layout, but at least now it's going to be actually viable as an alternative to the heretic and has the role of ~siqq~ alpha.
Don't see why you're nerfing missiles again tho... Hey look, it's the drone exploit user. And because it's slowly devolved to drones online. You of all people should know this.
Stay mad that the taskforce drone wizards swagged your entire militia HAHA you are the worst caldari you are worst militia. Remove caldari fw you are the militia smell haha o7 to ur slava drones rhiload we will nevr forget u borther))
i am slava serb are warrioring race and born to kill and fihgt we are rais to be power in mental energys and the strength when i was in the forth year of the rossiyea flight school i make the pod explode and ask the corp for srp ceo punch me in the guts in frotn of chat and tell me i am the pussie. and then he make me carry iterons out of station until midnite because the serbs are best in the fighteng and the sciences. we have slava drone now. and gecko power. we can desstroy hole world i. but we do not because we are the benelovent and defencers of the calicci fw.
serbs are resorseful and will do anythign to sorvive. you cannot beat a sebr in the medium outpost competiton. #GORSKI4CSM https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4265138#post4265138
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Omega Crendraven
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
197
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Posted - 2014.09.18 23:06:00 -
[89] - Quote
Gorski Car wrote:Phaade wrote:God's Apples wrote:Seems reasonable. I wish the flycatcher could get a 8/4/2 slot layout, but at least now it's going to be actually viable as an alternative to the heretic and has the role of ~siqq~ alpha.
Don't see why you're nerfing missiles again tho... Hey look, it's the drone exploit user. And because it's slowly devolved to drones online. You of all people should know this. Stay mad that the taskforce drone wizards swagged your entire militia HAHA you are the worst caldari you are worst militia. Remove caldari fw you are the militia smell haha o7 to ur slava drones rhiload we will nevr forget u borther)) i am slava serb are warrioring race and born to kill and fihgt we are rais to be power in mental energys and the strength when i was in the forth year of the rossiyea flight school i make the pod explode and ask the corp for srp ceo punch me in the guts in frotn of chat and tell me i am the pussie. and then he make me carry iterons out of station until midnite because the serbs are best in the fighteng and the sciences. we have slava drone now. and gecko power. we can desstroy hole world i. but we do not because we are the benelovent and defencers of the calicci fw. serbs are resorseful and will do anythign to sorvive. you cannot beat a sebr in the medium outpost competiton.
when my gret uncle was the eight year old the dei telum invaded akidagi his fatter beat dei telum vexor. he killed deitelum soljer to death with no weopin. that is how the strong serb is. when my gret grandmotter walking from the villige well to home the deitelum soljer shoot her in ankle. this is in ww1. hole village come out with hoes and the tools of the farming and butcher deitelum with falkon and gecko
" REMOVE RLML remove rlml you are worst light missile, you are the missile idiot you are the missile smell. return to rubicon. to our hml cousins you may come our fitting. you may live in the hangarGǪ.ahahahaha" CCP Rise |
elitatwo
Congregatio
304
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Posted - 2014.09.19 00:39:00 -
[90] - Quote
Omega Crendraven wrote: -snip- when my gret uncle was the eight year old the dei telum invaded akidagi his fatter beat dei telum vexor. he killed deitelum soljer to death with no weopin. that is how the strong serb is. when my gret grandmotter walking from the villige well to home the deitelum soljer shoot her in ankle. this is in ww1. hole village come out with hoes and the tools of the farming and butcher deitelum with falkon and gecko
Okay, cool story bro
But can we gat beck too eangrish pweeze?? signature |
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God's Apples
The Tuskers The Tuskers Co.
433
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Posted - 2014.09.19 01:45:00 -
[91] - Quote
Omega Crendraven wrote:Gorski Car wrote:Phaade wrote:God's Apples wrote:Seems reasonable. I wish the flycatcher could get a 8/4/2 slot layout, but at least now it's going to be actually viable as an alternative to the heretic and has the role of ~siqq~ alpha.
Don't see why you're nerfing missiles again tho... Hey look, it's the drone exploit user. And because it's slowly devolved to drones online. You of all people should know this. Stay mad that the taskforce drone wizards swagged your entire militia HAHA you are the worst caldari you are worst militia. Remove caldari fw you are the militia smell haha o7 to ur slava drones rhiload we will nevr forget u borther)) i am slava serb are warrioring race and born to kill and fihgt we are rais to be power in mental energys and the strength when i was in the forth year of the rossiyea flight school i make the pod explode and ask the corp for srp ceo punch me in the guts in frotn of chat and tell me i am the pussie. and then he make me carry iterons out of station until midnite because the serbs are best in the fighteng and the sciences. we have slava drone now. and gecko power. we can desstroy hole world i. but we do not because we are the benelovent and defencers of the calicci fw. serbs are resorseful and will do anythign to sorvive. you cannot beat a sebr in the medium outpost competiton. when my gret uncle was the eight year old the dei telum invaded akidagi his fatter beat dei telum vexor. he killed deitelum soljer to death with no weopin. that is how the strong serb is. when my gret grandmotter walking from the villige well to home the deitelum soljer shoot her in ankle. this is in ww1. hole village come out with hoes and the tools of the farming and butcher deitelum with falkon and gecko
Dei-telum genocide best day of my life ))) |
Verdis deMosays
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
44
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Posted - 2014.09.19 01:49:00 -
[92] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:There needs to be a new warp disruption bubble for the Interdictors that is capable of stopping interdiction immune ships.
Bake that in to Heavy Interdiction Cruisers and people will use them instead of the interdeadctors. Just a crazy idea.
*Onyx pilot signing off* |
Maxwell Smiles
Exiled Kings The Fearless Empire
1
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Posted - 2014.09.19 10:02:00 -
[93] - Quote
Wouldn't the light missile "fix" be to increase explosion radius so it does less damage to frigate hulls while still able to apply its measly damage to cruiser and above hulls. I dont think i've ever balked from a 1v1 because they might be packing light missiles, usually you would laugh at their pathetic dps. Alternatively nerf light missile range and bring in a module and bring in a module that increases missile speed, pilots would then have to choose between range and dps, missile may then be able to outrun heavy drones again. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
818
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Posted - 2014.09.19 14:48:00 -
[94] - Quote
Maxwell Smiles wrote:Wouldn't the light missile "fix" be to increase explosion radius so it does less damage to frigate hulls while still able to apply its measly damage to cruiser and above hulls. I dont think i've ever balked from a 1v1 because they might be packing light missiles, usually you would laugh at their pathetic dps. Alternatively nerf light missile range and bring in a module and bring in a module that increases missile speed, pilots would then have to choose between range and dps, missile may then be able to outrun heavy drones again.
no, the light missile fix would be halfing the range, while undoing the massive dps and signature buffs they got a few years back. also probably gutting their alpha substantially. |
Gorski Car
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
368
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Posted - 2014.09.19 17:55:00 -
[95] - Quote
TrouserDeagle wrote:Maxwell Smiles wrote:Wouldn't the light missile "fix" be to increase explosion radius so it does less damage to frigate hulls while still able to apply its measly damage to cruiser and above hulls. I dont think i've ever balked from a 1v1 because they might be packing light missiles, usually you would laugh at their pathetic dps. Alternatively nerf light missile range and bring in a module and bring in a module that increases missile speed, pilots would then have to choose between range and dps, missile may then be able to outrun heavy drones again. no, the light missile fix would be halfing the range, while undoing the massive dps and signature buffs they got a few years back. also probably gutting their alpha substantially.
Why not just remove light missile? you ******* ****** a range nerf is al they need m8er #GORSKI4CSM https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4265138#post4265138
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Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
230
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Posted - 2014.09.19 18:00:00 -
[96] - Quote
Gorski Car wrote: Why not just remove light missile? you ******* ****** a range nerf is al they need m8er
That's precisely what he wants. He thinks any module capable of adversely affecting frigates should be removed from the game.
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BraiZure Harloon
A-31 Violent Intent
24
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Posted - 2014.09.19 18:04:00 -
[97] - Quote
Stop nerfing missiles. They aren't over powered compared to any other weapon systems. Why? As it stands other than BCS we have no support modules like Tracking comps enhancers and at top tier Gunnery weapons systems out DPS anything they have. Precision lights are useless in burner missions and PVP. What is the thinking behind the mass reduction and why is the Eris loosing ten times the mass that the Heretic is? |
Code Redd
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.09.19 18:10:00 -
[98] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eris: Replace the +5% Small Hybrid damage bonus with +5% Small Hybrid RoF -50000 Mass
Heretic: Replace the +5% Missile damage bonus with +5% Rocket and Light Missile launcher RoF -5000 Mass -0.1 Inertia
Flycatcher: +1 Launcher +10 CPU +3 PWG
I fly all of these, to one degree or another, and 1. The eris with the new bonus will have a RoF UNDER a second with ions, how is that going to mesh with the server ticks?
Heretic, with you god aweful light missile nerf (why? because a crow is op? it's not like th corax is OP, no one uses them), should be fine. will keep it from being a turd--but, tbh, needs some more EHP, just a hundred or so armor. It's missing a low, and an eris out-tanks it, even with the 4% resists. Needs more armor. just a little. because that resist bonus is TOTALLY useless when an eris does it a LOT better.
Flycatcher--fantastic change! it brings it into a unique class of having the largest alpha-volly in not only the whole class, but the whole of small/dessy sized missile ships, FINALLY a reason to fly it over a corax/hawk (yes, both those ships get the same damage as the current flycatcher). the 3 PG means i can pull out the PG implant from my head. ty. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
818
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Posted - 2014.09.19 18:12:00 -
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Gorski Car wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:Maxwell Smiles wrote:Wouldn't the light missile "fix" be to increase explosion radius so it does less damage to frigate hulls while still able to apply its measly damage to cruiser and above hulls. I dont think i've ever balked from a 1v1 because they might be packing light missiles, usually you would laugh at their pathetic dps. Alternatively nerf light missile range and bring in a module and bring in a module that increases missile speed, pilots would then have to choose between range and dps, missile may then be able to outrun heavy drones again. no, the light missile fix would be halfing the range, while undoing the massive dps and signature buffs they got a few years back. also probably gutting their alpha substantially. Why not just remove light missile? you ******* ****** a range nerf is al they need m8er
and what kind of range nerf would you suggest m8, to bring them into line with beams/rails/arties |
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
interstellar initiative Incorporated
285
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Posted - 2014.09.19 18:15:00 -
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BraiZure Harloon wrote: Stop nerfing missiles. They aren't over powered compared to any other weapon systems. Why? As it stands other than BCS we have no support modules like Tracking comps enhancers and at top tier Gunnery weapons systems out DPS anything they have. Precision lights are useless in burner missions and PVP. What is the thinking behind the mass reduction and why is the Eris loosing ten times the mass that the Heretic is?
I'd say wait for the Dev blog/module balancing thread, but you could probably get an answer a lot quicker by asking your friendly neighborhood Goonie. CCP has a long history of heavy-handed missile nerfs, i.e. the heavy missile nerf to "fix" the Drake or completely replacing the old RLML system with the new one. I can't say I'm entirely surprised that they're nerfing missiles again. Maybe the much touted metrics weren't showing enough use of RLML's on cruiser hulls so they wanted to "encourage" players to use RLML's over standard LM's so that players can enjoy the new Oceanus music while waiting for their launchers to reload instead of taking a short nap. |
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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
818
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Posted - 2014.09.19 18:32:00 -
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more like missile scrubs have a long history of making **** up |
Cyrek Ohaya
Perkone Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2014.09.19 19:45:00 -
[102] - Quote
Am I supposed to be on anti light drone duty with the Flycatcher? Why not go after the frigate/destroyer drone ship altogether? exp.radius bonuses for rockets and lights feels confusing. |
Vailen Sere
The Oasis Group TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
0
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Posted - 2014.09.20 04:50:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone! As CCP Seagull mentioned in her coming in Oceanus dev blog, we're following up with Interceptors and Interdictors this release to apply some more polish. These Interdictor changes are fairly minor as we consider the balance of this class fairly healthy. They are mainly aimed at helping the Eris, Heretic and Flycatcher compete more strongly against the Sabre for applications where combat ability matters. One important module tweak that applies significantly to these ships (we'll be discussing it in more detail in an upcoming module balance blog) is that in Oceanus Light Missile Launchers will have their Rate of Fire decreased by ~6%. Eris:Replace the +5% Small Hybrid damage bonus with +5% Small Hybrid RoF -50000 Mass Heretic:Replace the +5% Missile damage bonus with +5% Rocket and Light Missile launcher RoF -5000 Mass -0.1 Inertia Flycatcher:+1 Launcher +10 CPU +3 PWG
My question now becomes: with all these crazy "balances" to missiles, where do they currently stand in the rankings of damage compared to the other platforms? (drones, railguns, hybrids, missiles, etc..) |
Vailen Sere
The Oasis Group TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
0
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Posted - 2014.09.20 04:51:00 -
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Cyrek Ohaya wrote:Am I supposed to be on anti light drone duty with the Flycatcher? Why not go after the frigate/destroyer drone ship altogether? exp.radius bonuses for rockets and lights feels confusing.
It's a Big Fraking Gun against an interceptor than. |
Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
169
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Posted - 2014.09.20 06:13:00 -
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El Space Mariachi wrote:fozzie why do you and Rise have a compulsion to implement (needed) nerfs to overpowered ships by both hurting the ship and the weapon system it uses? HMLs had to die so that everyone and their aunt would stop flying Drakes, when does the madness end?
why do you hate caldari? why do you hate missiles? why do you like hurting me???? what did i do to you???????
I agree that the Drones are quite too powerful for the moment because the lack of counter measures. But obviously light missiles are a bit too powerful nowadays. it is funny to see that while CCP reduce the ROF of light missiles they are giving a bonus to ROF to the Heretic. Quite hard to predict what that will give. In my opinion CCP should take a look to Explosion radius and Explosion velocity of the missiles. They do not fit with the stats of the ships ... Posted - 2010.07.01 11:24:00 - [4] Erase learning skills, remap all SP. That's all. |
Gorski Car
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
371
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Posted - 2014.09.20 08:34:00 -
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Cardano Firesnake wrote:El Space Mariachi wrote:fozzie why do you and Rise have a compulsion to implement (needed) nerfs to overpowered ships by both hurting the ship and the weapon system it uses? HMLs had to die so that everyone and their aunt would stop flying Drakes, when does the madness end?
why do you hate caldari? why do you hate missiles? why do you like hurting me???? what did i do to you??????? I agree that the Drones are quite too powerful for the moment because the lack of counter measures. But obviously light missiles are a bit too powerful nowadays. it is funny to see that while CCP reduce the ROF of light missiles they are giving a bonus to ROF to the Heretic. Quite hard to predict what that will give. In my opinion CCP should take a look to Explosion radius and Explosion velocity of the missiles. They do not fit with the stats of the ships ...
People are using lmls because hmls are trash atm. the only thing op about lmls is the range. #GORSKI4CSM https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4265138#post4265138
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Phaade
Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF
251
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Posted - 2014.09.20 15:24:00 -
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Gorski Car wrote:Phaade wrote:God's Apples wrote:Seems reasonable. I wish the flycatcher could get a 8/4/2 slot layout, but at least now it's going to be actually viable as an alternative to the heretic and has the role of ~siqq~ alpha.
Don't see why you're nerfing missiles again tho... Hey look, it's the drone exploit user. And because it's slowly devolved to drones online. You of all people should know this. Stay mad that the taskforce drone wizards swagged your entire militia HAHA you are the worst caldari you are worst militia. Remove caldari fw you are the militia smell haha o7 to ur slava drones rhiload we will nevr forget u borther)) i am slava serb are warrioring race and born to kill and fihgt we are rais to be power in mental energys and the strength when i was in the forth year of the rossiyea flight school i make the pod explode and ask the corp for srp ceo punch me in the guts in frotn of chat and tell me i am the pussie. and then he make me carry iterons out of station until midnite because the serbs are best in the fighteng and the sciences. we have slava drone now. and gecko power. we can desstroy hole world i. but we do not because we are the benelovent and defencers of the calicci fw. serbs are resorseful and will do anythign to sorvive. you cannot beat a sebr in the medium outpost competiton.
Did anyone understand what this idiot just rambled about? |
El Space Mariachi
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
138
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Posted - 2014.09.20 16:09:00 -
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Phaade wrote:Gorski Car wrote:Phaade wrote:God's Apples wrote:Seems reasonable. I wish the flycatcher could get a 8/4/2 slot layout, but at least now it's going to be actually viable as an alternative to the heretic and has the role of ~siqq~ alpha.
Don't see why you're nerfing missiles again tho... Hey look, it's the drone exploit user. And because it's slowly devolved to drones online. You of all people should know this. Stay mad that the taskforce drone wizards swagged your entire militia HAHA you are the worst caldari you are worst militia. Remove caldari fw you are the militia smell haha o7 to ur slava drones rhiload we will nevr forget u borther)) i am slava serb are warrioring race and born to kill and fihgt we are rais to be power in mental energys and the strength when i was in the forth year of the rossiyea flight school i make the pod explode and ask the corp for srp ceo punch me in the guts in frotn of chat and tell me i am the pussie. and then he make me carry iterons out of station until midnite because the serbs are best in the fighteng and the sciences. we have slava drone now. and gecko power. we can desstroy hole world i. but we do not because we are the benelovent and defencers of the calicci fw. serbs are resorseful and will do anythign to sorvive. you cannot beat a sebr in the medium outpost competiton. Did anyone understand what this idiot just rambled about?
i understood it 100% maybe you should learn to be more tolerant of peoples differences gay gamers for jesus |
Oddsodz
C.Q.B Bohica Empire
101
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Posted - 2014.09.21 17:58:00 -
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I Would also like to point out that cap usage on the Eris will go up with the ROF bonus, Will that be addressed?
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Danny John-Peter
Snuff Box
514
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Posted - 2014.09.23 09:51:00 -
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Suitonia wrote:Lady Rift wrote:why is it changes to missile systems also come with changes to missile ships? can't one happen and see the effects before both are changed at once. All the Interdictor changes here are buffs to the ships. The Heretic Damage -> ROF is a 7.6% DPS increase (which almost cancels out the 8% DPS loss from the 6% Rate of Fire penalty for LML) It's becoming a bit more mobile too, and don't forget the Rocket Heretic actually got a decent buff. The LML Heretic will probably be in the same position that it is in now (strong). Flycatcher has gotten a significant boost. 16.6% DPS increase (The Flycatcher will have 10.5 effective Kinetic Launchers now). This is a 8.6% boost to raw DPS with light missiles, and a major boost to the Rocket Flycatcher.
+Rep for doing the maths I couldn't be bothered to do. |
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Yogsoloth
Percussive Diplomacy
149
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Posted - 2014.09.24 15:13:00 -
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I don't really understand the LML nerf.
Thier DPS is paltry Thier Alpha is less than Arty's They're inherently disadvantaged by velocity and flight times that other systems arent affected by They don't get range or tracking (exp radius would be the closest equivalent) bonus's. They have fair range, but missiles are designed to have range and are still out ranged by other platforms.
I'm just really perplexed and angered by this. Guess EVE will continue to be drones on-line until we get some fresh perspective on whats happening out there. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
821
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Posted - 2014.09.24 15:25:00 -
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Oddsodz wrote:I Would also like to point out that cap usage on the Eris will go up with the ROF bonus, Will that be addressed?
it wasn't with the megathron. they seriously need to stop with this rof bonus as a bigger damage bonus thing, if they're also going to be handing out 37.5% and 50% damage bonuses wherever they feel like it. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
821
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Posted - 2014.09.24 15:55:00 -
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Yogsoloth wrote:I don't really understand the LML nerf.
Thier DPS is paltry Thier Alpha is less than Arty's They're inherently disadvantaged by velocity and flight times that other systems arent affected by They don't get range or tracking (exp radius would be the closest equivalent) bonus's. They have fair range, but missiles are designed to have range and are still out ranged by other platforms.
I'm just really perplexed and angered by this. Guess EVE will continue to be drones on-line until we get some fresh perspective on whats happening out there.
this post is bait, right? considering reporting it. |
Ultimate Tales
SomeWhat SophiSticateD Shadow Cartel
7
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Posted - 2014.09.24 16:06:00 -
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CCP plz remove light missiles from game and give us SP back. Who need them now? Maby you to nerf them again in next "patch". Remove rapids too. **** it, remove all missiles. |
Longdrinks
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
102
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Posted - 2014.09.24 19:36:00 -
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Getting more and more hyped for this patch every day. Eris too for good measure |
Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
788
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Posted - 2014.09.24 20:18:00 -
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Sweet Baby Jesus. Imma steal your fits.
GÇ£I personally refuse to help AAA take space from itself so it can become an even shittier version of itselfGÇ¥ -Grath Telkin, 2014.
Free PASTA! |
Moken Ayu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.09.24 22:23:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
The real problem is that when CCP talks about boosting something nobody uses, everyone's response is "why buff something we won't use?" and then when they talk about nerfing something everybody uses, the response is "OMG CCP you're ruining the game for everyone!" The problem isn't any lack of CCP's ability to balance the game, but a resistance to having a balanced game.
Implying anyone would cry if sentries#2014Eve got nerfed.
A little off topic, but, I think its high time Sentries had a serious looking into to. Since the mechanics they were originally designed around ceased to exist a few years ago. |
Lady Spank
The Intaki Ladies Deep Space Astrogation Auxiliary
3664
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Posted - 2014.09.25 02:55:00 -
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Ultimate Tales wrote:CCP plz remove light missiles from game and give us SP back. Who need them now? Maby you to nerf them again in next "patch". Remove rapids too. **** it, remove all missiles. Lol.
Literally bough advanced light missiles skill after reading the patch notes, too bad you can't just use ur dumb f1 servants crows any more but try and get good at game ok? (a¦á_a¦â) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
2718
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Posted - 2014.09.25 03:25:00 -
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I have this feeling that LMLs are being nerfed to make RLMLs look better by comparison. |
Erika Calvert
The Holy Knights of Malta
0
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Posted - 2014.09.25 16:54:00 -
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CCP fix those damn bubble launchers on dictors, it is not normal that you are able to launch something and dock right away. Dictor bubble should be considered as aggro. This has lasted for too long. |
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scorchlikeshiswhiskey
interstellar initiative Incorporated
293
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Posted - 2014.09.25 16:58:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:I have this feeling that LMLs are being nerfed to make RLMLs look better by comparison. Don't be paranoid. Who would do a thing like that? Besides, if there were any problems I have complete faith in CCP to come out and openly discuss that with their playerbase. Therefore, since the Dev's haven't acknowledged any problems at all with the splendid new RLML system, there are no problems with the splendid new RLML system. |
Capqu
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
685
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Posted - 2014.09.25 20:20:00 -
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so it looks like the % damage nerf isn't relevant for people who used malkuths pre patch (most people) malkuths are actually getting a rof buff up to what limoses used to be
yet to see what the fitting is like on them though but for non-t2 launchers don't take the rof nerf at face value https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNpMiT5qpyI |
Feodor Romanov
Caldari Special Forces OLD MAN GANG
5
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Posted - 2014.09.26 08:36:00 -
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That is not a "buff"for Heretic, that is nerf! ALFA damage decreased by 25% ! |
BraiZure Harloon
A-31 Violent Intent
26
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Posted - 2014.09.26 13:24:00 -
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Feodor Romanov wrote:That is not a "buff"for Heretic, that is nerf! ALFA damage decreased by 25% ! But wait they took away mass lol. And unless you were using Malkuth on a Heretic it is a DPS nerf even before the first reload. For long engagements a balanced change on LMLs would to slow rate of fire and decrease reload time on the odd chance you have a long engagement or want to swap munitions. Opposite of the RLML high ROF extremely long reload. |
Edmund Andre
EVE University Ivy League
1
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Posted - 2014.09.26 18:42:00 -
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I think my favorite comments are the "lets make the interdictors capable of stopping the interdictor immune ships..." Kinda defeats the purpose of being interdiction immune no? What do I know... I'm new... I defer to the genius before me.... |
Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
165
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Posted - 2014.09.27 19:47:00 -
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(nevermind me, wrong thread) |
Oddsodz
C.Q.B Bohica Empire
101
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Posted - 2014.09.29 18:49:00 -
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Well, Seems Fozzie does not wish to address our issues,. What a waste of time typing this whole thread was. |
Regatto
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
3
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Posted - 2014.09.29 20:09:00 -
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Could you just fix no aggro bubbling on stations? |
Stephanie Rosefire
The Nicomachean Ethics
29
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Posted - 2014.09.30 09:30:00 -
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alright, so more death to amarr ships... ok. the heretic was arguably the worst interdictor. now it really will be the worst interdictor. fire rate to rockets? wtf thats gonna add like 20 extra DPS. rockets already shoot stupid quickly. and now with the Lml alpha potential removed from the heretic, it just cant compete. im getting tired of all the amarr ships getting nerfed to ****... |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
751
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Posted - 2014.09.30 10:01:00 -
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Edmund Andre wrote:I think my favorite comments are the "lets make the interdictors capable of stopping the interdictor immune ships..." Kinda defeats the purpose of being interdiction immune no? What do I know... I'm new... I defer to the genius before me....
vice versa its the same way - whats the point of an interdictor if it doesnt work? Look at 0.0, at least half of people are moving in interceptors because they are almost invincible.
Let them be immune vs. anchorable bubbles, catching ratters in bubbled systems is a very common argument from interceptor pilots, which is all fine. However a pilot actively seeking to for a ship should be able to stop it.
There shouldnt be any bubble immunity at all, to begin with. which is as stupid as for example ships being immune to guns.. |
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
2805
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Posted - 2014.09.30 13:21:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:Look at 0.0, at least half of people are moving in interceptors because they are almost invincible. I'll take "How to set up a pipe bomb" for 1000, Alex.
It seems to me that people want the counter to every ship to be the same counter for every other ship. That isn't how it works and you should all understand that. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
752
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Posted - 2014.09.30 13:55:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote: It seems to me that people want the counter to every ship to be the same counter for every other ship. That isn't how it works and you should all understand that.
nah. I feel I shouldnt requre a smartbombing battleship for this, this was specialized role of interdictors. |
BraiZure Harloon
A-31 Violent Intent
26
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Posted - 2014.09.30 16:03:00 -
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O.k. just ran the numbers on the old meta 4 missile launcher. Looks like it lost about 13% in RoF and a 12% capacity nerf and now takes 13% more heat damage while over heating. Only gains one more CPU savings in fitting. Doesn't seem like the advertised 6.6%. Were they really 15% better than every other weapon system? |
BraiZure Harloon
A-31 Violent Intent
26
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Posted - 2014.10.03 19:29:00 -
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Today's patch notes show "The missile rate of fire bonus on the Heretic interdictor has been fixed." What specifically got fixed? |
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