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Oikaze Maricadie
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.09.18 10:26:00 -
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Eris still needs 3 mids and 3 lows instead of 2 and 4 I think to be competitive. It can't brawl since it can't use scram/web and it can't really kite either due to fitting issues. |
ivona fly
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2014.09.18 10:31:00 -
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On this toon i trained missiles first, mainly because i liked the cool animation that rockets / missiles have.
Everybody told me missiles suck for PvP, train turrets, but i did not listen as i wanted a Missile spewing pilot.
Since then every second release seems to effect missiles in a negative way, even if not intended (RLML)
it just seems to me like:
Drake broken ..... nerf missiles, tengu broken nerf missiles ... wait what.. tengu can use light missiles now as only viable launcher system?.... okay nerf missiles ..... tengu now uses rails (job done) crow OP ..... errrm nerf da missiles.
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fox targaryen
Nordwaffe
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Posted - 2014.09.18 10:58:00 -
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Gorski Car wrote:First they came for the Tracking Enhacers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I didn't have tracking enhacers fitted
Then they came for the Tier 3 Battlecrusiers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Tier 3 Pilot
Then they came for the Skirmish Boosts, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Linked Pilot
Then they came for my Light Missiles -and there was no one left to speak for me |
per
Terpene Conglomerate
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Posted - 2014.09.18 11:07:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:why are dictors crazy fast, while destroyers are slower than cruisers?
destroyers are designed to kill frigate class ships .... oh wait |
Budrick3
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
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Posted - 2014.09.18 12:39:00 -
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Please don't mess with light missiles. Frigates are supposed to die quickly because they are inexpensive. The meta game of eve already Permits to many frigates to be viable and light missiles are the only viable counter right now. |
Oddsodz
C.Q.B Bohica Empire
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Posted - 2014.09.18 13:01:00 -
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I Must say, I am not too sure about the ROF change to the Eris. As somebody that flys a HULLTANKED Eris in lowSec a lot (Not trolling Go look at my killsboards at zKill). That 5% to damage is very important to me, It is what gives me the chance to kill something when I finally get in range before I explode. It's the amount of alpha striking with blasters when I do get in range that makes this work. Now if you change that 5% damage to 5% ROF, That means I have less alpha striking and have to do more shots on the target for it to die. This means I have even less time to kill something, Because we all know blasters have poor range projection. So I would ask that you don't change that. Also I would love a Mid slot, Or and some more HULL hitpoints please ;-) But I can live with out it lol |
elitatwo
Congregatio
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Posted - 2014.09.18 13:23:00 -
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Oddsodz wrote:I Must say, I am not too sure about the ROF change to the Eris. As somebody that flys a HULLTANKED Eris in lowSec a lot (Not trolling Go look at my killsboards at zKill). That 5% to damage is very important to me, It is what gives me the chance to kill something when I finally get in range before I explode. It's the amount of alpha striking with blasters when I do get in range that makes this work. Now if you change that 5% damage to 5% ROF, That means I have less alpha striking and have to do more shots on the target for it to die. This means I have even less time to kill something, Because we all know blasters have poor range projection. So I would ask that you don't change that. Also I would love a Mid slot, Or and some more HULL hitpoints please ;-) But I can live with out it lol
The ROF 'bonus' also means that if you turn on the heat on your guns, you are doing it wrong.. signature |
Odithia
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.18 13:52:00 -
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I like those thanges, the Eris and Flycatcher were pretty bad.
On another subject, how many years do we have to wait for a properly balanced HAC lineup ? They need another pass for Oceanus rather than for the next'next update. |
Powers Sa
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Posted - 2014.09.18 14:06:00 -
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Capqu wrote:Henry Plantgenet wrote:What about fixing the issue with agression on the dictor's bubble? first it got agression, now there is no way to agress a dictor by its bubble. This is overpowered and i was expecting a change to that was fairly disappointed. Nice the eris gets a buff but still not getting at the crux of the problem with interdictors. warping in bubbles to aggress was unintuitive and obscure. however the issue of dictors on an npc null station really needs to be looked at Seeing as how your buddies in BL invented it, no one is crying for you guys. Don't forget the Karan roots whence you came. lol |
Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2014.09.18 14:51:00 -
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The Eris is in a odd place. I've pushed that thing up to 10k in hit points and got a full rack of 75 rails on it. Even dual propped it. Dps is anemic though for any non at 0 brawler. The potential is there though. I'd probably feel better if it got a boost to its afterburner (similar to the cruor). That'd make its blaster version a pwnmobile though. Overall, if it had the ability to fit 125 rails it'd be good. Yaay!!!! |
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Circumstantial Evidence
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Posted - 2014.09.18 15:07:00 -
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Faren Shalni wrote:Rek Seven wrote:There needs to be a new warp disruption bubble for the Interdictors that is capable of stopping interdiction immune ships. Point on the doll where the interceptor touched you If the main goal of bubble immunity was to make mining fleets in deep null a bit less safe to fast roaming gangs, 'safe' behind their gates with 10 anchored bubbles, this interdictor-only special bubble idea could be balanced by making it expensive. 20, 30 mil? Plus you might have to reload for the special bubble, and that's one minute :)
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Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague The Bastion
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Posted - 2014.09.18 15:13:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone! As CCP Seagull mentioned in her coming in Oceanus dev blog, we're following up with Interceptors and Interdictors this release to apply some more polish. These Interdictor changes are fairly minor as we consider the balance of this class fairly healthy. They are mainly aimed at helping the Eris, Heretic and Flycatcher compete more strongly against the Sabre for applications where combat ability matters. One important module tweak that applies significantly to these ships (we'll be discussing it in more detail in an upcoming module balance blog) is that in Oceanus Light Missile Launchers will have their Rate of Fire decreased by ~6%. Eris:Replace the +5% Small Hybrid damage bonus with +5% Small Hybrid RoF -50000 Mass Heretic:Replace the +5% Missile damage bonus with +5% Rocket and Light Missile launcher RoF -5000 Mass -0.1 Inertia Flycatcher:+1 Launcher +10 CPU +3 PWG is is really -50 K mass for one and -5 K for the other?
Those numbers are significant but not totally weird, as it'll bring Eris to 1200t and Heretic to 1300t. |
Angrod Losshelin
Oath of the Forsaken WormHole Occupation and Resource Exploitation
91
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:00:00 -
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Baali Tekitsu wrote:Gorski Car wrote:First they came for the Tracking Enhacers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I didn't have tracking enhacers fitted
Then they came for the Tier 3 Battlecrusiers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Tier 3 Pilot
Then they came for the Skirmish Boosts, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Linked Pilot
Then they came for my Lights -and there was no one left to speak for me
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:16:00 -
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Budrick3 wrote:Please don't mess with light missiles. Frigates are supposed to die quickly because they are inexpensive. The meta game of eve already Permits to many frigates to be viable and light missiles are the only viable counter right now.
Pirate frigates are not so cheap. Specially one properly fit that cost over 150 M isk "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:18:00 -
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remove "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Swiftstrike1
Swiftstrike Incorporated
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:58:00 -
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- Targeting, Sensors and ECM Overhaul |
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
interstellar initiative Incorporated
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Posted - 2014.09.18 17:20:00 -
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So.... which Null sec entity cried hard enough for CCP to resume the missile nerfs? Oceanus looks to me like Null sec batphoned their pocker-Devs and now everyone else has to deal with it. Also, stop screwing with missiles already!! What is it with you people and your hate boner for missiles? |
Ravcharas
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2014.09.18 17:34:00 -
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scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:Oceanus looks to me like Null sec batphoned their pocker-Devs and now everyone else has to deal with it. It was me, I did it. I told progod and progod told Fozzie and now here we are.
Although, as long as we're being honest - doesn't all expansions look like that to you? |
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
interstellar initiative Incorporated
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Posted - 2014.09.18 17:45:00 -
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Ravcharas wrote:scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:Oceanus looks to me like Null sec batphoned their pocker-Devs and now everyone else has to deal with it. It was me, I did it. I told progod and progod told Fozzie and now here we are. Although, as long as we're being honest - doesn't all expansions look like that to you? You caught me, guess I'll go back to my bridge and stop questioning why CCP decided to nerf an entire weapon system with that 6% RoF reduction.
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Arthur Aihaken
X A X
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Posted - 2014.09.18 17:59:00 -
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scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:You caught me, guess I'll go back to my bridge and stop questioning why CCP decided to nerf an entire weapon system with that 6% RoF reduction. CCP Fozzie "rebalances" by buffing drones and nerfing missiles. CCP Rise just screws things up royally (I'm honestly surprised he's allowed near cutleryGǪ). I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
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Ravcharas
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2014.09.18 18:08:00 -
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scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote: You caught me, guess I'll go back to my bridge and stop questioning why CCP decided to nerf an entire weapon system with that 6% RoF reduction.
No, you're right. Our operation -- nay! the stability of all of political nullsec, was being threatened by lml-boats. They just had to go. |
Phaade
Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF
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Posted - 2014.09.18 18:42:00 -
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God's Apples wrote:Seems reasonable. I wish the flycatcher could get a 8/4/2 slot layout, but at least now it's going to be actually viable as an alternative to the heretic and has the role of ~siqq~ alpha.
Don't see why you're nerfing missiles again tho...
Hey look, it's the drone exploit user.
And because it's slowly devolved to drones online. You of all people should know this. |
Tiger Tesla
Periphery Bound Dominatus Atrum Mortis
44
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Posted - 2014.09.18 19:26:00 -
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Gorski Car wrote:First they came for the Tracking Enhacers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I didn't have tracking enhacers fitted
Then they came for the Tier 3 Battlecrusiers, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Tier 3 Pilot
Then they came for the Skirmish Boosts, and I did not speak outGÇö Because I was not a Linked Pilot
Then they came for my Light Missiles -and there was no one left to speak for me
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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
445
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Posted - 2014.09.18 20:01:00 -
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the funny thing about this thread is that all of you people butchering Martin Niem+¦ller are just falling into the same trap
namely: you chase the overpowered fotm, then get sideswiped by the inevitable nerf |
Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
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Posted - 2014.09.18 20:39:00 -
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why is it changes to missile systems also come with changes to missile ships? can't one happen and see the effects before both are changed at once. |
Suitonia
Eve is Easy.
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Posted - 2014.09.18 21:22:00 -
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Lady Rift wrote:why is it changes to missile systems also come with changes to missile ships? can't one happen and see the effects before both are changed at once.
All the Interdictor changes here are buffs to the ships.
The Heretic Damage -> ROF is a 7.6% DPS increase (which almost cancels out the 8% DPS loss from the 6% Rate of Fire penalty for LML) It's becoming a bit more mobile too, and don't forget the Rocket Heretic actually got a decent buff. The LML Heretic will probably be in the same position that it is in now (strong).
Flycatcher has gotten a significant boost. 16.6% DPS increase (The Flycatcher will have 10.5 effective Kinetic Launchers now). This is a 8.6% boost to raw DPS with light missiles, and a major boost to the Rocket Flycatcher.
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Xorth Adimus
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
44
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Posted - 2014.09.18 21:40:00 -
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Nice little buff on the flycatcher.. it is a shame rockets are so terrible (terrible range anemic damage application) and that squeezing a full rack of missiles is not something a flycatcher can do without some major fitting limitations. Give it the fittings to achieve this or stop pretending that all dictors can be used like most other destroyers (and sabres!) for anti tackle.
A survivability bonus on all dictors would be better, like a signiture reduction for instance. |
Gorski Car
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
363
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Posted - 2014.09.18 22:56:00 -
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Phaade wrote:God's Apples wrote:Seems reasonable. I wish the flycatcher could get a 8/4/2 slot layout, but at least now it's going to be actually viable as an alternative to the heretic and has the role of ~siqq~ alpha.
Don't see why you're nerfing missiles again tho... Hey look, it's the drone exploit user. And because it's slowly devolved to drones online. You of all people should know this.
Stay mad that the taskforce drone wizards swagged your entire militia HAHA you are the worst caldari you are worst militia. Remove caldari fw you are the militia smell haha o7 to ur slava drones rhiload we will nevr forget u borther))
i am slava serb are warrioring race and born to kill and fihgt we are rais to be power in mental energys and the strength when i was in the forth year of the rossiyea flight school i make the pod explode and ask the corp for srp ceo punch me in the guts in frotn of chat and tell me i am the pussie. and then he make me carry iterons out of station until midnite because the serbs are best in the fighteng and the sciences. we have slava drone now. and gecko power. we can desstroy hole world i. but we do not because we are the benelovent and defencers of the calicci fw.
serbs are resorseful and will do anythign to sorvive. you cannot beat a sebr in the medium outpost competiton. #GORSKI4CSM https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4265138#post4265138
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Omega Crendraven
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
197
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Posted - 2014.09.18 23:06:00 -
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Gorski Car wrote:Phaade wrote:God's Apples wrote:Seems reasonable. I wish the flycatcher could get a 8/4/2 slot layout, but at least now it's going to be actually viable as an alternative to the heretic and has the role of ~siqq~ alpha.
Don't see why you're nerfing missiles again tho... Hey look, it's the drone exploit user. And because it's slowly devolved to drones online. You of all people should know this. Stay mad that the taskforce drone wizards swagged your entire militia HAHA you are the worst caldari you are worst militia. Remove caldari fw you are the militia smell haha o7 to ur slava drones rhiload we will nevr forget u borther)) i am slava serb are warrioring race and born to kill and fihgt we are rais to be power in mental energys and the strength when i was in the forth year of the rossiyea flight school i make the pod explode and ask the corp for srp ceo punch me in the guts in frotn of chat and tell me i am the pussie. and then he make me carry iterons out of station until midnite because the serbs are best in the fighteng and the sciences. we have slava drone now. and gecko power. we can desstroy hole world i. but we do not because we are the benelovent and defencers of the calicci fw. serbs are resorseful and will do anythign to sorvive. you cannot beat a sebr in the medium outpost competiton.
when my gret uncle was the eight year old the dei telum invaded akidagi his fatter beat dei telum vexor. he killed deitelum soljer to death with no weopin. that is how the strong serb is. when my gret grandmotter walking from the villige well to home the deitelum soljer shoot her in ankle. this is in ww1. hole village come out with hoes and the tools of the farming and butcher deitelum with falkon and gecko
" REMOVE RLML remove rlml you are worst light missile, you are the missile idiot you are the missile smell. return to rubicon. to our hml cousins you may come our fitting. you may live in the hangarGǪ.ahahahaha" CCP Rise |
elitatwo
Congregatio
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Posted - 2014.09.19 00:39:00 -
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Omega Crendraven wrote: -snip- when my gret uncle was the eight year old the dei telum invaded akidagi his fatter beat dei telum vexor. he killed deitelum soljer to death with no weopin. that is how the strong serb is. when my gret grandmotter walking from the villige well to home the deitelum soljer shoot her in ankle. this is in ww1. hole village come out with hoes and the tools of the farming and butcher deitelum with falkon and gecko
Okay, cool story bro
But can we gat beck too eangrish pweeze?? signature |
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