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Andiedeath
Sefem Velox Swift Angels Alliance
277
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Posted - 2014.09.23 07:01:00 -
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Personally I am not for evicting corps from wormholes as we need the population to stay although I am for whatever generates content. We want MORE PVP communities in wormhole space. We do also want to get a new breed of PVE toons. I say start finding and spamming wormhole advertisements. I've already gotten 2-3 bites from small PVE groups for a reasonable Class 2 wormhole.
Lets get a new breed of wormholer in to wormhole space! Director Swift Angels Alliance https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3247397#post3247397 INGAME CHANNEL: Sefem Public |
Nancy Wayke
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2014.09.23 08:06:00 -
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CivilWars wrote:I will say in all my time in w-space I caught someone trying to catch someone else, other than actual paid merc contracts, maybe once. Either way, in your analogy the people looking to gank miners, or the people looking to gank people ganking miners, are not looking to have an actual brawl, so they would still hide or log off at the sight of any real fight. You don't get more fleet battles by bringing in more farmers, you get them by bringing in more FCs. I think I have attacked people setting up a gank probably 10-20 times during my time in wormhole space - but I didn't mean things quite so literally.
I wasn't referring to people being in the same system at the same time; I was talking about people having the confidence in themselves to engage a group that is 'better' than they are and that they won't be slaughtered to a humiliating extent.
My group won't take on NOHO, nor will we take on AE, if we have the choice. They are too high up the ladder for us to reach. We can do nothing to them; all we can do is die in a fire.
We have, with careful scouting, taken on The Red Circle. They bloodied our nose, but we fought them to a standstill after taking some losses, and both groups stood down with 'good fights' on both sides.
Groups less competent than us have taken a risk in trying to get us to engage. We have beaten them on many occasions, but on a few it has turned out less well than we expected.
There is a food chain.
You need the Krill. |
Kira Hhallas
Very Drunken Eve Flying Instructors Brotherhood Of Silent Space
402
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Posted - 2014.09.23 08:22:00 -
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To much letters for me....
As i already said, give the people more possibilities to earn ISK. PVP is coming from alone.
And well we adapt to the new changes. And well not all is bad. Yes, there are More Wormhole Connections. Yes, you need more People for Farming C4s.
So, CCP give the People the chance to make ISK in Lower WH Classes, and a bunch of people are willing to move into the WH Space. -> More People in WH Space - > More PVP in WH Space
I live since four- five years in W-Space, I cant really remember when I moved into W-Space in my first C2. But I can remember, at the golden day of w-space, in a C2 you were able to buy two - three PLEX per month. And have fun with three or four People.
So what happen over the Time ..... out of my point of view.... cant tell what is the situation in higher WH Systems. ISK Income in lower WH Systems droped.
Well bigger Corps in Higher WH system made there money with Cap eskaltions, etc.... But for smaller Corps rise the risk for earn some ISK to high.
Why should they go into W-Space, If they have Blue Heaven in NULL sec.
In NULL Space its much easier to make ISK. I don't think I have to explain why. Lokal, Intel, Site spawning.... etc...
And as I said at the beginning of my post, rise the income and people will come back.
Okay that's my point of view, if I am wrong please so tell me.
Kira Hhallas - Austrian EvE Community - ingame =+ūsterreich= -
Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare |
Mithandra
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
145
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Posted - 2014.09.23 08:27:00 -
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Nitshe wrote:That's good because we did not vote for anything. :P Yeah we can't chain role anymore:P that wormhole needs to be spawn closer again. :P Other changes are fine I think I can live with but that jump spawn kill our rolling events :P Hidden Fremen wrote:CCP did ask us, though. Look what happened as a result :P
And I'm pretty sure we've thrown caps in for PvP through a WH post-Hyperion.
Still in a C5 and still rolling holes. How we do it has changed but its still going on.
Maybe you need to get out of your comfort zone and I dunno, experiment? Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community
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Ruffio Sepico
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
33
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Posted - 2014.09.23 09:24:00 -
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Kira Hhallas wrote:Well bigger Corps in Higher WH system made there money with Cap eskaltions, etc.... But for smaller Corps rise the risk for earn some ISK to high.
Just because you live in a c5 or c6, doesn't mean you are stinking rich. A system can only support so many people really. And you can't fully cap escelate in c5/c6 static (you can partial, but at a much higher risk).
Also remember, when you run cap escelations, you field like a 20b+ worth. If you get ganked, it will take you around 8 hours of grinding sites to recoup the loss, assuming you have the sites to do it. (and if you have like 2 sites spawning for a entire week, well good luck with that). If you lost a tengu or similar running sites in a c3, you probably would spend just as long grind sites in a c3 to recover that as well.
If it was just about isk, I would just stick to industry in high sec.
Also there is a limit of how many sites you really feel like running. I look at it as a need to cover bills and loss's not to get as much in your wallet as possible. Although any month where more come in than out is a good thing, but been on both side of the fence there. |
Kira Hhallas
Very Drunken Eve Flying Instructors Brotherhood Of Silent Space
402
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Posted - 2014.09.23 10:45:00 -
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I think the risk is no so high, bigger corps have more Scouts, have more options how they react. So if you close your Static in a C5 / C6 I think you will have a realy peacefully day with PVE.
I get reports from our other WH Corps, since Hyperion , they have more then five holes at day,.. that's not so funny for smaller corps. And with the new frigs holes, what can happen in a C5/C6... a Frig fleet will never go into a Site with Caps and Sleeper in it. Frig-Fleets looking only for Prey in Lower WH System and NULL sec for prey. With ten frigs you can kill a Tengu but not a carrier or a dread.
So if you field 20b+ in a Cap escelations, the other side need also bring more stuff to gank you out of your ships. Or do you want to tell me 4 Carrier and 2 Dreads + Supports are easy to kill? A Small Corp will never engage you. They will try to combat close there WH. Only bigger Corps with 15 - 25 People in the Fleet will fight.
So i think, you have more loss, if you get ganked, but lesser RISK to be ganked. Or i am wrong in this point ?
And i think its just about the ISK / RISK Factor for many players / smaller corps. They calculate in this way. To many Wormholes = to much risk = more time to close the WH = lesser income -> moving out the W-space
... i wish to write in german, in English i feel like i am argumenting like child..... grrrr...... Kira Hhallas - Austrian EvE Community - ingame =+ūsterreich= -
Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare |
Nancy Wayke
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2014.09.23 11:15:00 -
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Kira Hhallas wrote:... i wish to write in german, in English i feel like i am argumenting like child..... grrrr...... You make your point well enough - you don't want to see me trying to say anything in German...
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Axloth Okiah
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
501
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Posted - 2014.09.23 11:40:00 -
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Why is this debated mostly by NPC alts and nullseccers? W-Space Realtor |
Kira Hhallas
Very Drunken Eve Flying Instructors Brotherhood Of Silent Space
402
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Posted - 2014.09.23 11:47:00 -
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I am not a nullseccer, i life only in a C3 with Static NULL,.. more fun for everyone *g* Kira Hhallas - Austrian EvE Community - ingame =+ūsterreich= -
Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare |
Winthorp
2739
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Posted - 2014.09.23 11:58:00 -
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Axloth Okiah wrote:Why is this debated mostly by NPC alts and nullseccers?
Why is it that people that never get involved in discussions like to rabble rabble while they pos spin in their WH waiting for a jabber content ping to go out? |
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CivilWars
Rolled Out Triumvirate.
196
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Posted - 2014.09.23 13:57:00 -
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Axloth Okiah wrote:Why is this debated mostly by NPC alts and nullseccers? Because w-space is ded? We Re-Rolled. Stop by public channel Rolled Out to join the fun.
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Kira Hhallas
Very Drunken Eve Flying Instructors Brotherhood Of Silent Space
402
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Posted - 2014.09.23 14:06:00 -
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Come on, dont be so dramtic.... it still twitches...... Kira Hhallas - Austrian EvE Community - ingame =+ūsterreich= -
Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare |
Axloth Okiah
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
502
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Posted - 2014.09.23 14:15:00 -
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Winthorp wrote:Axloth Okiah wrote:Why is this debated mostly by NPC alts and nullseccers? Why is it that people that never get involved in discussions like to rabble rabble while they pos spin in their WH waiting for a jabber content ping to go out? If thats aimed at me, then its just hilariously misguided...
W-Space Realtor |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
702
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Posted - 2014.09.23 14:49:00 -
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Axloth Okiah wrote:Why is this debated mostly by NPC alts and nullseccers?
People still think they'd be invaded for having an opinion. And tbh, there is only a tiny gap between nullseccer and wormholian, wormholians usually get away with even less pvp skillz tbh.
"I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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Aryex
Bastard Children of Poinen
2
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Posted - 2014.09.23 15:58:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:I think what players can do is stop being lazy mealy-mouthed cowards and join smaller corporations. One problem linked to the atrocious state of POS security is the paranoia which people exercise in recruitment, and also exercise in their efforts to be recruited. people will not recruit toons with colourful or somewhat lengthy employment records, and the corollary of that is that people are afraid to join smaller corps and give it a try, because they think they are putting dirty great fingerprints of unreliability all over their rap sheet. So they hold out to join a big corp.
I wonder if it's time to rethink the permanent corp history.
Make it like a resume, where everything more than a year old just drops off, except perhaps for your initial newbie corporation.
Combined with finer grained access controls on SMAs, and the ability to kick an undocked player from your corporation, and I think that you'd have a major improvement in the ability to recruit new players to your corporations without quite as much paranoia. Sure the newbro could be a spai who awoxes you on an operation, but they wouldn't necessarilly have the rights to completely empty your SMA, and if traveling in hisec, they could be booted instantly thus stopping an awox in progress against anyone who doesn't already have a timer.
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Mithandra
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
146
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Posted - 2014.09.23 18:37:00 -
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Aryex wrote:Trinkets friend wrote:I think what players can do is stop being lazy mealy-mouthed cowards and join smaller corporations. One problem linked to the atrocious state of POS security is the paranoia which people exercise in recruitment, and also exercise in their efforts to be recruited. people will not recruit toons with colourful or somewhat lengthy employment records, and the corollary of that is that people are afraid to join smaller corps and give it a try, because they think they are putting dirty great fingerprints of unreliability all over their rap sheet. So they hold out to join a big corp. I wonder if it's time to rethink the permanent corp history. Make it like a resume, where everything more than a year old just drops off, except perhaps for your initial newbie corporation. Combined with finer grained access controls on SMAs, and the ability to kick an undocked player from your corporation, and I think that you'd have a major improvement in the ability to recruit new players to your corporations without quite as much paranoia. Sure the newbro could be a spai who awoxes you on an operation, but they wouldn't necessarilly have the rights to completely empty your SMA, and if traveling in hisec, they could be booted instantly thus stopping an awox in progress against anyone who doesn't already have a timer.
Sorry, but no. Paranoia and a robust recruitment policy keeps corp assets where they belong... in corp.
I like paranoia, I am the most paranoid recruiter you will ever find. I consider other paranoiacs to be far too liberal, and yet I am still managing to recruit quality players. I would not be happy with corp history being truncated at the one year point. Too many ways for eve players to exploit that and steal my corp stuff.
Grab their interest by the throat and they will come. Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community
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Incindir Mauser
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
455
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Posted - 2014.09.23 21:30:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:Axloth Okiah wrote:Why is this debated mostly by NPC alts and nullseccers? People still think they'd be invaded for having an opinion. And tbh, there is only a tiny gap between nullseccer and wormholian, wormholians usually get away with even less pvp skillz tbh.
People do get invaded for having an opinion. Especially if it is to declare yourself Kings of W-space after moving out. You can also get invaded and burned out for using too many "Your momma is so fat.." jokes in local. It's a legitimate fear. Talk **** to the wrong people, they might just gather some friends and burn your house down with you sleeping inside.
We can't have just any insane ruffians hanging about in systems with J-tags... they need to be cultured space barbarians.
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Cosmic Scanner
Temnava Legion No Holes Barred
90
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Posted - 2014.09.23 23:43:00 -
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I actually kinda think reducing the amount of high end wormhole systems would be good change. This could make w-space less empty and more valuable. It would probably leave less room for the sheer amount of farmers there are at present. I would probably look to reduce the amount of wormholes to something like:
C4 = 300 (from 505) C5 = 200 (from 512) C6 = 50 (from 113)
It might mean you bump into the same people more often but it will likely mean less empty systems and more day to day action. Or CCP brings more players in somehow, but i don't see it happening soon.
Cosmic Scanner / muu lufragga |
CivilWars
Rolled Out Triumvirate.
197
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Posted - 2014.09.23 23:58:00 -
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Incindir Mauser wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:Axloth Okiah wrote:Why is this debated mostly by NPC alts and nullseccers? People still think they'd be invaded for having an opinion. And tbh, there is only a tiny gap between nullseccer and wormholian, wormholians usually get away with even less pvp skillz tbh. People do get invaded for having an opinion. Especially if it is to declare yourself Kings of W-space after moving out. You can also get invaded and burned out for using too many "Your momma is so fat.." jokes in local. It's a legitimate fear. Talk **** to the wrong people, they might just gather some friends and burn your house down with you sleeping inside. We can't have just any insane ruffians hanging about in systems with J-tags... they need to be cultured space barbarians. So if I put a new POS up and post the J-sig will you and your momma come burn my house to the ground? Please.
Long live the kings. We Re-Rolled. Stop by public channel Rolled Out to join the fun.
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Calmatt
Rolled Out Triumvirate.
125
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Posted - 2014.09.24 00:34:00 -
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Incindir Mauser wrote:Tears
Who are you? Oh....adhoc.
I guess you're relevent. In 2009.
Kings of wormhole space, signing off. |
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Pancake King
Bookmark Both Sides Exit Strategy..
53
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Posted - 2014.09.24 00:35:00 -
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Cosmic Scanner wrote:I actually kinda think reducing the amount of high end wormhole systems would be good change. This could make w-space less empty and more valuable. It would probably leave less room for the sheer amount of farmers there are at present. I would probably look to reduce the amount of wormholes to something like:
C4 = 300 (from 505) C5 = 200 (from 512) C6 = 50 (from 113)
It might mean you bump into the same people more often but it will likely mean less empty systems and more day to day action. Or CCP brings more players in somehow, but i don't see it happening soon.
100% this. |
Incindir Mauser
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
457
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Posted - 2014.09.24 01:54:00 -
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CivilWars wrote: So if I put a new POS up and post the J-sig will you and your momma come burn my house to the ground? Please.
Long live the kings.
Wow. That was totally taken the wrong way. Perhaps my phrasing was misinterpreted? It wasn't a personal attack, or even a comment against Blue-Fire as I rather enjoy getting my **** blown up by them. At least they fight. Hell, Lazerhawks stopped by the other night and caught us with our pants down around our ankles and relieved our site-running fleet of a handful of caps. We mourned our losses, bitched about being careless morons for half an hour, and went back to business as usual with no hard feelings for Lazerhawks or SSC. Why? They were nice about it and didn't act smug or **** up local. Jokes were exchanged and we had to admit to ourselves that it was fun losing billions worth of caps.
W-space needs more of that kind of mutual respect, no matter how big or small they are. How "relevant" or "irrelevant" they are perceived to be.
People have more fun when the atrocities are served with a chaser and a breath mint.
Corps have, and can lose their homes to being obtuse, over-confident, and downright insulting. It's life out here. Anyone that suggests that big corps should voluntarily break down into smaller entities is a little thick between the ears. It's better to attract and hold the interest of new people than to cut off your right hand because your neighbor has sprained his wrist. The fact that we have to be so hyper paranoid about theft and who we can recruit contributes greatly to the declining population in general.
Yes. People can get evicted for having opinions. If it weren't a threat it wouldn't be exciting and things would look more like the current null sov cold war. That was the point I was attempting to make.
P.S. My momma is so fat she keeps her diaphragm in a pizza box. |
Alundil
Isogen 5
670
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Posted - 2014.09.24 02:04:00 -
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Incindir Mauser wrote: P.S. My momma is so fat she keeps her diaphragm in a pizza box.
Sheesh
TMI
I'm right behind you |
blackish person
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
21
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Posted - 2014.09.24 03:20:00 -
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Cosmic Scanner wrote:I actually kinda think reducing the amount of high end wormhole systems would be good change. This could make w-space less empty and more valuable. It would probably leave less room for the sheer amount of farmers there are at present. I would probably look to reduce the amount of wormholes to something like:
C4 = 300 (from 505) C5 = 200 (from 512) C6 = 50 (from 113)
It might mean you bump into the same people more often but it will likely mean less empty systems and more day to day action. Or CCP brings more players in somehow, but i don't see it happening soon.
Iv all ways thought there were too many c5s but I don't think there are too many c6. If the c6 number got much lower then running sites in c6 would be death and that would make all the farmers just move to c5. I like having farmers in c6 because it gives us something to kill. With out something to kill the pvp groups would likely move out of c6 as well.
If you halved the amount of c5s the player density would be higher so there would be more pvp happening and also the risk in running cap escalations will go up a bit. People would have more success rolling and therefor would roll more. I don't think people would stop running sites because the rewards are pretty damn high especially if you multi box it.
Don't know about you guys but this sounds pretty good to me. |
Ilaister
Task Force Proteus Protean Concept
101
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Posted - 2014.09.24 03:57:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:nanoribbons are climbing in value. QED, wormhole space is losing population.
Frigate holes, when was the last time you went through one or interacted with one? That's right - the day of the patch, or at latest, the day before they changed the k162 description to read "small ships only". I found 6 in 3 wormholes last night and used none of them.
These = patently untrue.
Ribbon prices are growing because of a combination of factors, including farmers that have stayed farming less due to the number of open conx and T3s gaining some popularity back in PvP. We get kills through frigholes. Mostly frustration. But some kills.
The bit after that about people being cowards and smaller groups being more fun and low class WH ISK makes much more sense though. |
Kira Hhallas
Very Drunken Eve Flying Instructors Brotherhood Of Silent Space
402
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Posted - 2014.09.24 06:58:00 -
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to reduce WH Systems is not solving the problem with W-space. It is only to treat the symthoms of the Problem.
And the only one how can do is, is CCP. We can make our suggestions how to fix it.
It look like that every discussion will end in a Flame war, so people be constructive. I am not interested to **** of some people, I am interested in solutions ...... Kira Hhallas - Austrian EvE Community - ingame =+ūsterreich= -
Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare |
Kirasten
No Vacancies
86
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Posted - 2014.09.24 08:43:00 -
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Ilaister wrote:Trinkets friend wrote:nanoribbons are climbing in value. QED, wormhole space is losing population.
Frigate holes, when was the last time you went through one or interacted with one? That's right - the day of the patch, or at latest, the day before they changed the k162 description to read "small ships only". I found 6 in 3 wormholes last night and used none of them.
These = patently untrue. Ribbon prices are growing because of a combination of factors, including farmers that have stayed farming less due to the number of open conx and T3s gaining some popularity back in PvP. We get kills through frigholes. Mostly frustration. But some kills. The bit after that about people being cowards and smaller groups being more fun and low class WH ISK makes much more sense though.
I have not interacted with any frigate holes since the description change unless it attached directly to the home system. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
705
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Posted - 2014.09.24 09:00:00 -
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Ilaister wrote:[...] and T3s gaining some popularity back in PvP.
Wonder if there is a connection to the currently hilariously low build prices for T3s. Mean, they've become cost efficient over time!
(cost efficient here: 260-300mil for a t2 tengu compared to the 200-220mil for a proper cerb :o, XLASB cerb with it's 270mil prictag even looks costly next to a tengu doing more or less the same job) "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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Kira Hhallas
Very Drunken Eve Flying Instructors Brotherhood Of Silent Space
402
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Posted - 2014.09.24 09:04:00 -
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In our C3 / 00, we had some of them. Many connections from 00 -> C3 or back; some C3 -> C2; I think since the change we had more the ten time frig. holes. And well we had also fun with the frig. Holes in our System and other.
Kira Hhallas - Austrian EvE Community - ingame =+ūsterreich= -
Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare |
Kirasten
No Vacancies
86
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Posted - 2014.09.24 11:17:00 -
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Kira Hhallas wrote:In our C3 / 00, we had some of them. Many connections from 00 -> C3 or back; some C3 -> C2; I think since the change we had more the ten time frig. holes. And well we had also fun with the frig. Holes in our System and other.
There are no frig holes from null to w-space, as it looks like you are saying. Only from w-space to null. |
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